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i just dont understand this memory. All the reviews i have seen show that although it may be completely stable via Prime95, Memtest, SuperPi, etc, but it will then be unstable in a game. WTH? I dont understand how this happens, and its rather frustrating considering usually its SuperPi 32M, Prime and other tests that we are trying to satisfy, not games! Im not sure what im gonna have to do if my next pair dont budge from 250 either. Now to ship these off and be without a computer for a week or so, bummer... :(
I can't even run 255 game stable.
I've tried everything, changed to yellow, switch around in yellow, same with orange, tried every voltage, tried all these different trefs and drive/data strengths, nothing.
Mikal, This is the RMA'd set yes?
We have got to be looking at a board to IC issue here....What Rev is your board Mikal? Do you know?
It would be located on the bottom of the bottom PCI (not PCI-e) slot if the board was mounted in a standard ATX case, so its kind of hard to read in a case. Should be something like AA0 or A02, etc.
Uh-oh, I wish I'd read the whole of this thread before ordering some of these sticks, I have an X2 4400 CPU.
I recently tried some Ballistix, but they were a bad set (one stick liked 2.6-2.7v while the other liked over 2.8v)
This will be the first time I've ever tried OCZ, and i'm hoping that these ones will work. But after reading some of the replies here, i'm not too confident any more :(
If the sticks can run with my CPU at 240x11, 265x10, or 270x10, I'll be very happy
You'll be fine, these are good sticks overall. These issues are likely due to other things.
Yes this is the RAM I got back from the RMA, I can't seem to find where the Rev is located, I'll take out my tuner card and get a better look, CPU-Z says rev A3 but that might be the chipset?Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
I'll post back in 10
I still can't find it, it's printed on the PCB right? I didn't see any stickers
its tricky to find. like look at the PCI slots under the 2nd PCI-e slot. they are stickers. its on the topside of the PCI slots
Okay, found it, it was on top of the Second PCIe 16x slot, it is AB0, is that old and bad? haha
thats kinda...bad. well dfi said nothing was wrong with it, but we have a suspision that AB0 has some issues with ram at high frequencies
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=ab0+roll+call
Err.. :stick:
I assume it is the board over my CPU's mem controller
Maybe my stepping can help:
ADA3200DAA4BP
LBBLE 0517BPDW
I've had tccd up to 300 2,5-4-3-8 with that rev, 2x1gb UCCC@265, and uttch @265... No probs at all... Only tweaking tccd's but then ran fine.
i cant find the rev anywhere on my board...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...ise/DFIREV.jpg
The rev should be on a sticker on the 2nd PCIe 16x slot
ok, finally found it, its literally on the side of the slot itself, not on the PCB at all. Mine is rev AC0. So that kinda eliminates the mobo theory being the Platinum EB's are incompatible with a specific rev of DFI NF4 Ultra-D's.
Not entirely Budwise....AB0 and AC0 are the 2 newest or 2 of the newest rev's....a change in the termination resistance etc in these newer rev's can make them more "unfriendly" to some IC's.
We will know more when you get your new kit...although Mikal is already on a replacement kit...that is why I was pointing to the bit about board issues.
For instance...these boards Hate Hynix IC based ram modules...don't run it well at all.
Although yours might if they changed something...Mine is AA0 and it doesn't run them well at all (the Hynix that is)
So it could be the boards?
I don't know. These are brand new kits....not hours and hours of testing yet...can't say if its board or not.
Would you be interested in sending me your sticks so I could try here?
I know Marcus got far better results (280*10) 3D stable with 2 different kits on his Asus board.
I showed in this thread my Max stable clocks for 3D (272) but I run 265*10 because that is the "sweet spot" on my CPU...it doesn't like 2.7GHz.
i guess i will find out with the new kit. I will be sending my sticks off on Monday, and im gonna try to ask OCZ if they will ship at the same time so i dont have a LONG down time. Do they do that Ryder?
Just ask Support...they will probably want your CC number for collateral, but yes Bud that should be doable. :)
awesome, thanks... Im guessing they are not open on Saturdays?
How long would that take? I just sold my Plat R2's to someone in Canada and I'd have no extra memoryQuote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
No Budwise...HQ only open M-F....I work remote so I am around on weekends.
Mikal, you have my email....we can talk about it there :)
:confused: crap, i have a revision AB0 board
gawd i hope my system likes these sticks....
but i don't get to find out until maybe next friday. my sticks are on pre-order :rolleyes:
until then i'm stuck with an unstable system with 1 stick of ballistix :mad:
If people don't mind I would like to get a survey going, if you can, please list your motherboard (and revision), CPU, and highest stable 3D clock
I think the information could help us troubleshoot
DFI NF4 Ultra-D
REV ACO
CPU = AMD X2 3800+
Highest 3D Stable = Stock Speed 250Mhz
DFI NF4 Ultra-D
Rev AB0
A64 3200+ Venice
Highest 3D Clock 250mhz
DFI nF4 SLI-D
Rev AB0
AMD X2 4400+
3D Stable at 250MHz (crappy hynix RAM won't go any higher)
DFI NF4 Ultra-D (SLI Mod)
Rev AA0
Venice 3200+, Clawhammer 3500+, Winchester 300+
PC4000 Platinum EB
272 Highest stable in Synthetic 3D
265 - 24/7 because CPU's don't like higher clocks
I been trying to check board revision but I only found 2 stickers and none had revison:
I saaw this on lower sticker: 00012910004A83D, and on the other sticker "....void if removed" and D50408963. I wish I could help but mine doesn't have a revision!
any chance you could check again please?
i tried to take a picture of the stickers on my board, hope it helps
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/9318/rev0dk.th.jpg
Yup, on top of the second PCIe16 slot you guys
Unless you have an older board like mine....then its the bottom of the last PCI slot...way down at bottom of case.
so far 3/4 cannot get past stock speed... :(
Notice how we all have similiar newer revisions, and Eric's is older. It might be a board to IC issues as Eric was saying.
We need more people who hit 270+ 3D stable to post
For those of who like to follow the thread but aren't intimately involved...who's Eric? RyderOCZ?
Also....when y'all say it's not 3D Stable, would you mind trying to severly underclock the graphics card? I want to see what happens when amperage to the card goes down significantly. I'm starting to have a feeling this is a power delivery issue.
no probs with my R.AB0 http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=1509Quote:
Originally Posted by CCUABIDExORxDIE
DFI NF4 UT SLI-DR
REV AB0
CPU = FX-57
Highest 3D Stable = 274-277mhz with OCZ PC4000EB
With Opteron 144 managed 335-339HTT with 9x multiplier
I just got another board, DFI NF4 Ultra-D R.AD0 to play with as well
I managed to push past the 260 Mhz stopping point I was at in 3d apps with my San Diego. I'm priming 11 x 262 Mhz @ 1.6v now - I can game and run all 3d apps. I updated to the 704BTA bios.
Pushing onward but making sure it's 100% stable takes time.
Eric=RyderQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Instead of underclocking the gfx, couldn't I just take out all the extra BS I don't need while gaming (my pata mirror, tv tuner, etc etc)
Does 2G really use that much more power than 1G?
I really think 520w would be sufficient though, but I might give it a try if I have time tonight
Alright, try this: run rthdrbl and SPI. Only stress the CPU, the GPU and the RAM.
It's not that 2G uses more power than 1G, but it seems this IC has much tighter tolerances for fluctuation in voltage and current and my theory is that your board can't cut it when the graphics card is also asking for a lot of power.
I was thinking about it...
In all reality the boards are the same, the revision difference is the BIOS it is shipped with. So says DFI.
I am noticing a lot of other people with a similiar power supply.
When entering 3D, my computer freezes within seconds, not after an amount of time, which would be a voltage fluctuation.
I don't think I'll have time to try that tonight though
Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
That must be it! I have the first version released. Wanted to make sure but that will make have to remove the board from my case to check the sticker.
I severly doubt that the OCZ Powerstream 520 would be struggling with our systems...
Dnottis: Is this the 704-2BTA? Because i tried that one first with no luck... Im now on 623-3 and still getting same results.
could it just be the memory controllers on the processors?
which cpu's have the best memory controllers?
(i might have to get a new cpu to go with this memory)
Couldn't the motherboard have something to do with it? I know the controller is integrated on die but that doesn't mean the motherboard has no influence. Trying a new CPU is an idea, but so is trying a new mobo which is probably the cheaper option.
if this memory wont work with the most popular overclocking motherboard on the market (DFI NF4 Series), then that is a big problem for OCZ becuase that OCer group is who will be buying PC4000 modules... To put it simply, 99% of OCers would probably keep their DFI boards and get different memory, which is what i will do if i cant get a set of these to 260.
That's fine but besides the point. We're trying to figure out the issue. If it's the motherboard, the CPU, or the RAM. Ditching the RAM and keeping the motherboard doesn't help us answer the question at hand. It hurts OCZ, but if DFI is the culprit then you're shafting the wrong party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise
I'll probably be picking this kit up with the new PURE Innovation (if it EVER gets here to the US - damn you Euros :P) and seeing how it plays out.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bar81
PURE Innovation?
The ATI Grouper reference board by Sapphire:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=77751
My sticks work fine for 3d and SPI at stock timings or better up to 290fsb. Here is my 24/7 stable settings. ram@2.7V I think, maybe 2.8V I am new to the large nuber of timeing setting we now have avaliable. Which one other ones other than the big 4 should I change to make it faster?
DFI Ultra-D
3800+ X2
285 tested 3d (still more testing to do)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=39275
Nice clocks Nate :) Good work.
nate, you look pretty tweaked out... nice clocks. Im buying some i guess...lol
btw: what bios are you using?
I have a rev AA0 with a Venice CBBLE 0512 and I can do 273 3d stable 280 non 3d.
Nate what drive strength?
Natedog, what revision of board do you have?
i've been thinking of getting a 3800 dual core, but none of the shops over here say whether the core is a toledo or manchester :rolleyes:
do E4 chips have better mem controllers than the E6's?
No, the E6s have better controlers
i read somewhere that the E4 stepping is supposed to be ideal for overclocking <shrug>
702-2bta bios
drive strength is set to auto.
chip is a 0531 TPEW very odd late week E4
E3 and E4 are better overclockers than E6, but the E6 have better memory controllers.
If it does turn out to be my CPU I will be getting a E6 or Opteron
aren't the opterons E4's?
i'm just going from the description here:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...Athlon_MP.html
- E4 Stepping ideal for overclocking
Nate, would you please post your boards Revision. BTW if you are looking for an X2 and want to pick between an E4 or E6, simply look at the heatspreader while its in the package. If it has a CD at the end of the first line, then its an E6 Toledo based core, if it has a BV then its an E4 true Manchester core. I have heard the opposite though, that E6's are better overclockers... I hope you are right that the E6's have good memory controllers though, cuz i already got the good overclocking part!
This memory running on an old school P4P800 deluxe using only 2.75v......
http://ca.geocities.com/thumper2002@...om/Superpi.JPG
I wish there was a way to test the max fsb of memory.... Cpu is holding them back though.
That's rockin' man!Quote:
Originally Posted by boostedscooby
Here three people post their E6's max at ~2.6, one person states bad memory controller too =0Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise
http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showt...1131029&page=2
Here someone states although it maxes out around 2.7, it's memory controller can handle those high speeds
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=403678
An older thread I made about memory controllers and 2G
http://www.i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=1521
wow, according to eva...
i always thought the 4800 and 4400 used the same controller, and the 4200 and 4600 were pretty much the same as a 3800 <shrug>Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Ask him again :P
and what do the dualcore optys have? 1mb per core would mean toledo = the better memorycontroller right?
I got these to work 3d stable
2.5-3-2-5
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5130/ram11ip.jpg
BUT.... Am I supposed to get a lower 3dmark score with 2gb ram? Because I used to get about 8500, and now 7400 or so... Ive been playing with drivers but I think it doesnt have anything to do with the cpu or the gpu, because my cpu score is a lot lower than when I was using my 1GB OCZ 3700EB. From 6400 to 4300. And this doesnt make any sense because unless my memory is failing me, PI times are faster.
So is this 3dmark only or what?
Thanks
Trying increasing your skew value, start at something low (128 perhaps) and see if you can max it, I heard that helps with this ram and 3DM scores
Hi everyone, i have been studying this thread with interest. I am currently looking to get 2X1gb moduels of memory. I have a 4000+ amd 64 San Diego core. I have noticed that the OCZ PC4000 2xgb has major problems with the San Diego core in its over clocking ability. I have found this out from this review the same review site also has the Crucial Ballistix PC4000 2GB Dual Channel Kit reviewed and it has achevied significantly higher clocks than the OCZ. So guys do you think the same and also i was looking at prices for the Ballistix and could only find them available at crucials own website for £250, and couldnt find anywhere else in the uk that sold them. :confused:
Wow, 300mhz at 3-3-3-8 that's nuts.
Sadly, I am starting to regret buying these things, OCZ has never done me wrong in the past. Ryder is taking a look at my sticks personally right now though, hopefully he discovers something :P
what's up with your sticks MikalCarbine? :confused: :(
I suspect a weak memory controller, you all need to remember this is a huge load on a cpu even at stock 200fsb never mind 260+.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyr0
WOW BigToe http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4355/worthy5tk.gif
I love your modded BIOS
I hope my memory controller is ok :stick:
I just had to cancel my order because of delays, and switch shops :slapass:
now i might get some of these tomorrow :banana:
I HOPE it is my memory controller, then I can just buy a new CPU and get this over with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
BigToe, any recommendations for a cpu with a good memory controller for 2x1G around $200 USD?
I can run 280x10 1:1 with 1G ::strokes chin:: (2.8 is max on CPU too)
It seems these 939 opty's are pretty slick and have strong memory controllers, a good San Diego should also do well.
I heard SD's have been having issues, if you look at the last couple posts (or last page) someone posted a review stating it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I like the opterons too, but I would need to get a nice stepping, and I think it is getting too late :(
i think i'm looking at a 939 dual core opteron... :slobber:
i can't go back to single core chips after owning a dual core :nono:
i'm expecting my sticks to arrive tomorrow :banana:
so if my cpu core can't handle 2x1gb @ 250MHz (i'll find out tomorrow) how can i be sure that the memory is functioning correctly?
Chances are, if you RMA'ed the ram, your gana get a pair with no problems. As for a DC Opteron, lil too expensive for my taste. Another thing it could be, as Eric (Ryder) was saying, a board to IC problem, which I am starting to doubt though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyr0
I thought dual cores weren't even that great since games aren't multi threaded yet?
i don't really game much anyway ;)
FEAR, COD2, Q4, and the latest nvidia drivers are all supposed to have optimizations for dual core processors tho
i love my dual core for multitasking, photoshopping, and video encoding :D
FEAR plays very well too :p:
my sticks aren't on RMA :shrug:
i ordered some last week, but the shop let me down.
so i cancelled and ordered from somewhere else today with 24hr delivery
Oh I confused you with Bud, I think hehe
:) my sticks arrived today :banana:
i've had a little play with them...
i can memtest them at 269MHz, but if i try 270, i keep getting errors at the end of test 5
i can boot into windows at 261-265 (cpu multi 10x), but when i get to the desktop my monitor starts flicking on and off :confused: , 260MHz and below is fine :shrug:
at the moment i'm running at 11x250 and it seems more stable than with my geil memory (crappy hynix)
these are my current settings CPU-Z Validation
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4600/27505cd.th.jpg
can anyone suggest anything that might need tweaking?
i would've liked to get 265x10, or 270x10 (my temps @2750 peak at 50-52C), but i'm not sure if my memory controller is limiting me :shrug:
any ideas anyone?
you think my 3200 winnie can handle these at 250fsb. i ordered these acouple of weeks ago, but there not in yet and i'm having second thoughts.
my board is a AB0 BTW
my RMA replacements get here tomorrow. I'll post up my results by tomorrow night...
UPDATE: I now have the replacement sticks in, and they are running great! 3-3-2-7 @ 260 no problem 3D or otherwise. Just finished running a SuperPi 32M too and all is stable!
Can you hit any higher? I mailed out my sticks today, so i hope OCZ gets them on tue.
Great News Budwise :)
Thanks for the update :toast:
Any place actually have these besides atacom.com? I have heard bad things about them.
i have not tried for higher yet. I will do so soon though...
stable at 265X10 too, 3D and all else...
I hate you :horse: :brick:
you should be happy, this means that it was the sticks themselves that were lacking, and most likely not the CPU or motherboard. Just pray you get good ones from your RMA!
budwise could you post your settings please?
i can get it stable at 260, but no higher
if i go above 260MHz, my monitor starts flicking on and off :confused: :slapass:
i used the settings that Ryder OCZ recommends.
2.7
+0.3 if not 3.2V = enabled
DRAM Config
200
enable
3
3
7
2
13
16
2
2
1
3
1552
auto
enabled
auto
0
Level 8 (normal 4 in 704-2BT bios)
level 2
8ns
normal
6ns
256
disable
16
07
disable
Atacom is a good vendor. Ive bought all of my OCZ mem through them, except for these sticks, which i got from Monarach.. It also took over 10 days. Buy from Atacom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bar81
That's the thing! I got mine back from an RMA already, and they can't get past 250mhz, even Eric can't get them past that, he said he might RMA em for meh :) :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise
Well, turns out they don't actually have them either, the product page doesn't state it but the list page says 11/25. Seems that US vendors are totally dry. In the UK however they seem to be plentiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
You should start seeing them again very soon (like late next week if all goes according to info I received Friday)...Competition for the IC's increased since we released them :rolleyes:
New Parts should be at OCZ near first of next week :)