Find out the Max Case Temperature and Max Power draw of your CPU

This test seems to be pretty useless. x2 3800 has a much higher maxcaseT and I can clock 250mhz higher.

you must only compare similar processors.

mine 170 0530tpmw has 53deg , want to see another results from the same week...

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.16
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 170 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2603.51 (260.35 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 51C
TDP: 45.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

Why doesn't this programme work for me?

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3...x1165ro.th.jpg

Quote:

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Originally Posted by -.-PhanTom-.-

Why doesn't this programme work for me?

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3...x1165ro.th.jpg

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=377

Quote:

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Originally Posted by -.-PhanTom-.-

Why doesn't this programme work for me?

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I get the same thing showing, but if when I hit copy to clipboard and paste it into a text doxument I find I have values for the Max Case Temp and TDP, 49c and 35w respectively on an Operton 175 CCBWE 0544XPMW, but there is something there

Quote:

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Originally Posted by periquitos

you must only compare similar processors.

mine 170 0530tpmw has 53deg , want to see another results from the same week...

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How does this work exactly? Since my Cpu overclocks well, is that why I got low TDP? What does lower MaxTCase mean? That is has lower tolerance to heat? Also, would MaxTCase and TDP explain why my CPU hates volts over 1.45V?

Anyway, here's what I get:

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.16
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 170 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2830.02 (283.00 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 51C
TDP: 45.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.16
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2500.64 (250.06 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 65C
TDP: 71.9 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.16
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 170 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2700.72 (270.07 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 49C
TDP: 35.0 Watts

One thing I haven't figured out yet is the following difference with a 4400x2.. as there are 2 versions available...

Processor AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-core
Model 4400+
Ordering P/N (Tray) ADV4400DAA6CD
Ordering P/N (PIB) ADA4400CDBOX
Operating Mode 32/64
Stepping E6
Frequency 2200Mhz
HT Speed 2000
Voltage 1.35-1.40 V
Max Temp 71°C
Thermal Power 89W
L1 Cache 128KB
L2 Cache 1MB x2
CMOS Technology 90nm SOI
Socket Socket 939

and....

Processor AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-core
Model 4400+
Ordering P/N (Tray) ADA4400DAA6CD
Ordering P/N (PIB) ADA4400CDBOX
Operating Mode 32/64
Stepping E6
Frequency 2200Mhz
HT Speed 2000
Voltage 1.35-1.40 V
Max Temp 65°C
Thermal Power 110W
L1 Cache 128KB + 128KB
L2 Cache 1MB x2
CMOS Technology 90nm SOI
Socket Socket 939

How do I know which version I have... and does the program now which CPU is which..?
Also.. even if I have the 110W thermal power version which is rated at TMax 65C... how come mine can only handle 55C according to the program...?
10C difference is a lot.. especially for a $550 chip..

NC™

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.16
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: F, Stepping: 0
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 2F, Stepping: 0
CPUID String: 20FF0
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ (Venice)
CPU Speed: 2009.25 (200.92 x 10.0)
Revision: DH8-E3
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.400v
Maximum Case Temperature = 65C
TDP: 67.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

Opteron 148 CABYE 0543FPMW

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.16
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 7, Stepping: 1
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 27, Stepping: 1
CPUID String: 20F71
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Opteron 148 (San Diego)
CPU Speed: 2883.74 (320.42 x 9.0)
Revision: SH8-E4
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.400v
Maximum Case Temperature = 63C
TDP: 61.8 Watts

With my chip overlocked to 2650mhz, i get this is the AMD64 TCaseMax v1.18:

TMaxCase: 49C
TDP: 35W

Ok, what exactly do the TCaseMax and TDP mean there? The rated wattage of my chip is supposed to be 110W, so what do those values above represent in relation to actual output wattage?!

Quote:

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Originally Posted by The Coolest

Download AMD64 TCaseMax v1.17.

This is a new type of program, which checks AMD64 CPUs for their maximum rated case temp or TCaseMax and reports the TDP which corresponds to the processor in question.
On most AMD processors TCaseMax and TDP values are constant, and depend on CPU type and model, but on the E Revision chips, both this values and the default voltage are variable.
These are the chips that have variable values:
Athlon64 (Venice, San Diego)
Athlon64 FX (San Diego)
Athlon64 X2 (Manchester, Toledo)
All Rev E Opterons and Dual Core Opterons
What this all means is this: On 90nm manufacturing process, the power leakage of transistors on individual processors differs greatly, this is why AMD implemented TCaseMax. Each CPU has a different TDP rating, here's how it works:
A program reads the TCaseMax value off the CPU, then depending on the processor (CPU type like A64, Opteron;CPU Rating like 3500+, 146) it finds the processor's Thermal Profile (If you download the "AMD Opteron™ Processor Power and Thermal Data Sheet" and look at pages 10-11 you'll see the different thermal profiles). When the thermal profile is determined, the program finds the TDP rating that corresponds to the CPU's TCaseMax value.
So in a few words, the higher the TCaseMax, the higher the TDP of a processor will be (the transistor leakage is higher), so the processor will run hotter. Several people have reported that the Opterons rated at 71C TCaseMax were pretty hot. On the other side these processors will be able to reach higher clock speeds.
That is why we see that on average processors with higher TCaseMax can usually reach higher CPU speeds when overclocked.
Every CPU type (A64, FX, X2, Opteron, DC Opteron) has a different thermal profile, that is why you see that on an FX a TCaseMax rating can be "only" 57C and it'll overclock way better than an A64 with a 57C TCaseMax rating. That is because at 57C TCaseMax, an FX has a TDP of 77W while the A64 has a TDP of 44W.

If you want to post a screenshot press Alt+PrintScreen and paste it in paint and save in PNG (if you have WinXP or Win2003). Pictures do speak a 1k words ;) Or at least click "Copy to clipboard" button and paste the text here.
*Note: The "Create stats file" button doesn't work yet, but it will work soon, where it'll create a file that you'll upload to a website and it'll add you to a DB of chips and there will be statistics of different CPUs.


What's new:

Version 1.17
Fixed a bug with incorrectly showing Dual Core FX PR number.
49C TCM chips will now be reported again, no "This CPU does not support TCaseMax feature." messages anymore.

Version 1.16
Fixed a bug with newer HE DC Opterons not showing the proper TDP.
Fixed a bug with the naming of HE and EE Opterons.

Version 1.15
49C TCaseMax is not used anymore, this means that for any CPU which returns 49C TCM (like the new Dual Core Opterons), the program will report "This CPU does not support TCaseMax feature."
Extended the 'D' Thermal Profile, as some chips using this profile have reported higher TCMs than the highest TCM specified in the profile.

Version 1.14
Serios bug fixed. Program would not show information about any processor that was an E revision CPU.

Version 1.13
Athlon 64 FX thermal profile fixed.

Version 1.12
Renamed to "AMD64 TCaseMax".
Added support for FX-60 and Dual Core CPUs with 1 core disabled.
Several bugs fixed.

Version 1.11
Several bugs fixed.

Version 1.10
Added TDP - Will now report the TDP (Thermal Design Power, or in other words the maximum power the CPU draws at stock speed/voltage)

Version 1.04
First version with all new AMD CPUs supported.

Regarding the stats... I decided to remove them as they are practically useless right now. I will hopefully put a up a page where you will be able to upload your results, and then compare your results to a database of other chips.

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I am interessted in how this programm works...
I searched the amd tech docs for a way to read tcase max using the cpuid call (are you using it?) ut could'nt find anything
found it in the BIOS and kernel developer guide

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 170 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2800.72 (280.07 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 49C
TDP: 35.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

Hey Hassan I've got the same data as you with a 165, but I can't get to 2800. Is that stable? Here's mine:

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2700.10 (300.01 x 9.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 49C
TDP: 35.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

I have a 170 CCBWE 0546XPMW that is stable at 2700 with 1.46volts... so far I'm priming at 2800 @ 1.6volts for 2 and a half hours and still going my max load temp is 38C with water... I'll tell you for sure in the morning

Hang in there Hassan, that week 170 (see my sig) are good for at least 2.9GHz 100% torture stable with less than 1.6Vcore after burn-in :toast:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Petr

This is a maximum temperature of CPU's case, that is a temperature on it's Heat Spreader (nothing to do with case, power supply, HDDs ect.). It is specified as absolute maximum rating. AMD say the CPU is certified to work up to this temperature. When you have higher, it may produce errors, it may fail, burn, whatever. And you loose your warranty when you run higher.

This is no joke, look into datasheets.

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My Tcase max is 65C. When we reach the max of this temp does the Tcase melt? if we take the Heat spreader off does this increase the temp in witch the CPU can survive at because it has no heat spreader?

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: B, Stepping: 1
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 2B, Stepping: 1
CPUID String: 20FB1
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (Manchester)
CPU Speed: 3000.73 (300.07 x 10.0)
Revision: BH9-E4
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 63C
TDP: 65.6 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 7, Stepping: 1
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 27, Stepping: 1
CPUID String: 20F71
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Opteron 146 (San Diego)
CPU Speed: 1000.04 (200.01 x 5.0)
Revision: SH8-E4
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.400v
Maximum Case Temperature = 55C
TDP: 38.2 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Serge84

My Tcase max is 65C. When we reach the max of this temp does the Tcase melt? if we take the Heat spreader off does this increase the temp in witch the CPU can survive at because it has no heat spreader?

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Well, surely its not the temp where the Tcase melts. Mine is 49c and the proc has been at 53c in SmartGuardian, so...

But maybe thats the temp where the proc starts to error? Makes sense, mine stops priming when ~50

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.17
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 170 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2500.81 (250.08 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 49C
TDP: 35.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

And here's mine:

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5100/tmaxcase0xt.jpg

Edit: Pic of never version of TCaseMax.

Hi. This is my 3200+ Manchester running undervolted at 2.5ghz: :banana:


AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: F, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3F, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 30FF2
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ (Manchester)
CPU Speed: 2500.00 (250.00 x 10.0)
Revision: BH9-E4
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 65C
TDP: 67.0 Watts

Opteron 146 CAB2E 0540FPMW

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 7, Stepping: 1
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 27, Stepping: 1
CPUID String: 20F71
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Opteron 146 (San Diego)
CPU Speed: 3011.00 (301.10 x 10.0)
Revision: SH8-E4
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.400v
Maximum Case Temperature = 63C
TDP: 61.8 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

New CPU:

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 170 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2700.79 (270.08 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 49C
TDP: 35.0 Watts

Low TDP :confused: :confused: Very Strange... AMD clains this CPU's a 110 watts TDP

Settings OC: 270 x 10 @ 1.45 @ XP 90c + noiseblocker 92 mm (38-40 full load) (24/7 settings)

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1039/v1185iy.jpg

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 7, Stepping: 1
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 27, Stepping: 1
CPUID String: 20F71
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Opteron 144 (San Diego)
CPU Speed: 2700.00 (300.00 x 9.0)
Revision: SH8-E4
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.400v
Maximum Case Temperature = 57C
TDP: 44.1 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 170 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2700.04 (270.00 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 53C
TDP: 55.0 Watts

This is an CCBWE 0550 UPMW 408l stepping.

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: B, Stepping: 1
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 2B, Stepping: 1
CPUID String: 20FB1
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (Manchester)
CPU Speed: 2009.32 (200.93 x 10.0)
Revision: BH9-E4
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 69C
TDP: 84.4 Watts

My brand new X2 3800, stepping LDBHE 0601 UPMW. Haven't OC'ed it yet, just running a quick SP2004 to make sure all is ok at stock.

But (dare i say it) that looks good on paper, doesn't it?

The new Opteron 144 (CAB2E 0548FPEW) I bought from eBay:

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 7, Stepping: 1
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 27, Stepping: 1
CPUID String: 20F71
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Opteron 144 (San Diego)
CPU Speed: 2476.07 (275.12 x 9.0)
Revision: SH8-E4
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.400v
Maximum Case Temperature = 57C
TDP: 44.1 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

Quote:

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Originally Posted by don_vercetti

My brand new X2 3800, stepping LDBHE 0601 UPMW. Haven't OC'ed it yet, just running a quick SP2004 to make sure all is ok at stock.

But (dare i say it) that looks good on paper, doesn't it?

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Will clock 2800@ 1,4V i think ;)

mine:

Attachment 44200

2800@ 1,36V
no screens yet, result from the guy i bought it from

greetz from germany

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ic3man

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 170 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2700.04 (270.00 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 53C
TDP: 55.0 Watts

This is an CCBWE 0550 UPMW 408l stepping.

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Never seen a 170 with such high numbers, does it clock well ??, most are only Maximum Case Temperature = 49C
TDP: 35.0 Watts

Including my week 46 :)

X2 4800 0513 TPMW....

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/2...shot0526qh.jpg

Quote:

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Originally Posted by alpha0ne

Never seen a 170 with such high numbers, does it clock well ??, most are only Maximum Case Temperature = 49C
TDP: 35.0 Watts

Including my week 46 :)

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Yeah it clocks ok. 2.85 SP32 stable - or 2.8 sp2004 stable (12hr) - 2.7 p95 stable (12hr). Nothing amazing but still working on it. Temps seem a little on the high side though with a TTBT 50c load @1.42v. I too noticed that mine is a little different with the numbers presented...maybe thats good or maybe its bad...I dunno:confused:

Mine is weird. Here´s mine 3700+ San Diego.

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 7, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 37, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 30F72
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2530.50 (230.05 x 11.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 61C
TDP: 55.9 Watts

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/4...asetemp3cg.jpg

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ic3man

Yeah it clocks ok. 2.85 SP32 stable - or 2.8 sp2004 stable (12hr) - 2.7 p95 stable (12hr). Nothing amazing but still working on it. Temps seem a little on the high side though with a TTBT 50c load @1.42v. I too noticed that mine is a little different with the numbers presented...maybe thats good or maybe its bad...I dunno:confused:

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my 170 0530tpmw has the same tmaxcase/tdp
53c / 55w

didn't tested more , on air (stock amd) is stable at 2600 / 1,28v (DMM) , but very but very HOT! get close to 60c while rendering , but it's 30c over here... will WC the system in the next month , got the components , just need time to work with.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ic3man

Yeah it clocks ok. 2.85 SP32 stable - or 2.8 sp2004 stable (12hr) - 2.7 p95 stable (12hr). Nothing amazing but still working on it. Temps seem a little on the high side though with a TTBT 50c load @1.42v. I too noticed that mine is a little different with the numbers presented...maybe thats good or maybe its bad...I dunno:confused:

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Mine gets to 2.9GHz but then heat gets too high, even with WC though it only effects core 1 anything over 1.51Vcore :(

Opteron 170 CCWBE 0550 UPMW

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 170 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2850.61 (285.06 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 51C
TDP: 45.0 Watts


Is this good or bad?

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8416/cpu8kj.th.jpg

My Opteron 170 ( 0551 UPMW )

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 170 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2700.08 (270.01 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 49C
TDP: 35.0 Watts

Got it running @ 2700 MHz @ 1.55 volt now. Not a verry good one.

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2906.29 (322.92 x 9.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 49C
TDP: 35.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

49*C? :stick:

Damn and I thought my 55°C was bad.....

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...ssions/hmm.jpg

hmm, wonder if i can squeeze anymore out of this chip>?

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2601.38 (289.04 x 9.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 49C
TDP: 35.0 Watts

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dragoran

I am interessted in how this programm works...
I searched the amd tech docs for a way to read tcase max using the cpuid call (are you using it?) ut could'nt find anything
found it in the BIOS and kernel developer guide

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CPUID instruction doesn't provide this info. The only way to get it is to access the registers you read about in the BIOS developer guide. This program uses a special driver that gives it direct access to the hardware for this exact reason.

http://home.earthlink.net/~unccvsa/s...tures/tmax.jpg

opty 170 0550 upmw
2.7ghz

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5734/slay0r34pl.png

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: B, Stepping: 1
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 2B, Stepping: 1
CPUID String: 20FB1
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (Manchester)
CPU Speed: 2596.27 (236.02 x 11.0)
Revision: BH9-E4
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 63C
TDP: 105.0 / 65.6 Watts


why do I have 2 TDPs??

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2754.33 (306.04 x 9.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 49C
TDP: 35.0 Watts

I continue to not understand the value of TCaseMax.... My best OC Opty is a 170 that runs 2850@1.475... TCaseMax = 49.0C.

I've seen TCaseMax in various threads as high as 71.0C yet I haven't seen great clocks related to the results...

Please explain... Thanx

3000+ venice LBBWE 0603 APCW E6

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...sions/case.jpg

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Originally Posted by impression

3000+ venice LBBWE 0603 APCW E6

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...sions/case.jpg

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heh, well basicly the higher the max case temp the better the overclock achievable especially if you are only using stock air like myself

Every chip though is unique and i actually have a low MCT average is about the 60 mark but i still manage 300*9 on stock air 32mb pie stable

so yeah generally the higher the max case temp the higher clock frequencies you can achieve with less voltage and higher frequency overall ( there are many excemptions but this is the general rule of thumb)

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Originally Posted by impression

heh, well basicly the higher the max case temp the better the overclock achievable especially if you are only using stock air like myself

Every chip though is unique and i actually have a low MCT average is about the 60 mark but i still manage 300*9 on stock air 32mb pie stable

so yeah generally the higher the max case temp the higher clock frequencies you can achieve with less voltage and higher frequency overall ( there are many excemptions but this is the general rule of thumb)

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I've been watching this TCaseMax for months and I haven't seen anything that varifies your reply, enlighten me please...

well, lets say my mct is 60c that means the cpu will run up to and keep stability to 60 degrees

so if i was running air cooling and had a really big number like 65-70 as my max case temp then that would be awesome as it would let me increase voltage as need be as i have a bit of leeway when it comes to tempreture. But having said that individual cpu's can only work so fast but having a h igher max case temp makes it easier to get to that limit wherever it may be :)

that's also why people with water cooling generally have better overclocks that people on air cooling as they can keep the tempreture below that threshold of stability

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3480/mycpu27no.jpg

I never understood the MaxT either... never saw any results that prove higher MaxT equals higher overclocking. My MaxT is only 49, but clocks just as high on air as the guy above me, and he has a higher MaxT.

Edit: and my maxt is the same is pcdoc1's, same cpu type too (opty 170), yet his clocks a lot higher and at a much lower voltage.

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Originally Posted by impression

well, lets say my mct is 60c that means the cpu will run up to and keep stability to 60 degrees

so if i was running air cooling and had a really big number like 65-70 as my max case temp then that would be awesome as it would let me increase voltage as need be as i have a bit of leeway when it comes to tempreture. But having said that individual cpu's can only work so fast but having a h igher max case temp makes it easier to get to that limit wherever it may be :)

that's also why people with water cooling generally have better overclocks that people on air cooling as they can keep the tempreture below that threshold of stability

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This is no more than fantasy and something to talk ‘bout... If you monitor the 1000’s of post here on this topic, the results are all over the place and suggest no reasonable conclusion…

Three cheers to the guy that wrote the app as good coder’s are hard to find, but the TCaseMax variable has proven to be insignificant…

And, your conclusion of:

Air – you can expect this…
Water – you can expect this…
Phase – you can expect this…

Is all mental masturbation without foundation...

So once and for all let’s save the bandwidth, the storage space and prove this “BS”... Otherwise, put it to bed…

Regards-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ase146FPMW.jpg

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2806.35 (311.82 x 9.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 63C
TDP: 105.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

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Originally Posted by loc.o

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ase146FPMW.jpg

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Nothing personal, this proves what? ;)

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2604.41 (306.40 x 8.5)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 63C
TDP: 105.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

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Originally Posted by pcdoc1

Nothing personal, this proves what? ;)

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The point you made earlier i guess.....:D

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Originally Posted by pcdoc1

This is no more than fantasy and something to talk ‘bout... If you monitor the 1000’s of post here on this topic, the results are all over the place and suggest no reasonable conclusion…

Three cheers to the guy that wrote the app as good coder’s are hard to find, but the TCaseMax variable has proven to be insignificant…

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Since you like to be into quantifiable numbers, please detail your "proven" numbers that show it is statistically insignificant. Some extrapolations with info like:

CPUID: AAA (i.e Opty 165)
TcaseMax: XXX
TDP: YYY
Cooling: ZZZ

Would love to see someone that has "montiored the 1000's of posts here" to see some relevance whether it is generally significant or not (seems important since AMD themselves have value registers assigned for this in there manufacturing fab process).

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
----------------------

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 170 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2900.07 (290.01 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 51C
TDP: 45.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

Hi guys

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Originally Posted by ST4

Since you like to be into quantifiable numbers, please detail your "proven" numbers that show it is statistically insignificant. Some extrapolations with info like:

CPUID: AAA (i.e Opty 165)
TcaseMax: XXX
TDP: YYY
Cooling: ZZZ

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LOL, this is the typical response to this question… Reread my post (here and the other thread you’re posting in), the question is when you jump and cheer ‘bout a particular TMaxCase or TDP number you must have a reason… I was asking what that reason is since these numbers appear irrelevant. One of your responses was “Awesome, can’t wait to see that OC”… My question was, what is awesome ‘bout it, there must be some reason you feel that way… Since you are apparently responsive and encouraged by a particular TCaseMax result what’s the basis for that. If you have no rational basis for it, and therefore don’t want to answer the question, that’s fine too. But don’t attempt to challenge someone else to build your case for you… :slapass:

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Originally Posted by ST4

Would love to see someone that has "montiored the 1000's of posts here" to see some relevance whether it is generally significant or not (seems important since AMD themselves have value registers assigned for this in there manufacturing fab process).

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The key words here are "Seems Important". So what, why is this important to us? If this TCaseMax thing is just information sharing then hell with it, let's start some threads that have REAL value like:
Please post you maximun OC while it's raining outside... (must include a pic of wet grass) :(

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Originally Posted by pcdoc1

LOL, this is the typical response to this question… Reread my post (here and the other thread you’re posting in), the question is when you jump and cheer ‘bout a particular TMaxCase or TDP number you must have a reason… I was asking what that reason is since these numbers appear irrelevant. One of your responses was “Awesome, can’t wait to see that OC”… My question was, what is awesome ‘bout it, there must be some reason you feel that way… Since you are apparently responsive and encouraged by a particular TCaseMax result what’s the basis for that. If you have no rational basis for it, and therefore don’t want to answer the question, that’s fine too. But don’t attempt to challenge someone else to build your case for you… :slapass:

The key words here are "Seems Important". So what, why is this important to us? If this TCaseMax thing is just information sharing then hell with it, let's start some threads that have REAL value like:
Please post you maximun OC while it's raining outside... (must include a pic of wet grass) :(

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Since you have no first hand empirical experience with it whatsoever, instead like to hypothesize and make little retorts here and there, I'll give you an idea of my experiences: qty. 2 X2's (3800 and 4200) + qty 4 Opterons (3-165's and 1 170's). The best OCer's I've seen on MY system, with MY setup, are with the ones that exhibit the higher Tcasemax / TDP numbers. My lower OCers generally are within the median range of tcase/tdp numbers.

As for rationale extrapolations, there are way to many variables to generalize from one system to another, but for the most part what I see is that higher TDP / Tcasemax numbers seem to indicate more OC potential when combined with better cooling and motherboard/memory combinations. Again, if you have empirical evidence to refute that, please share instead of talking out of your :slapass:

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Originally Posted by ST4

but for the most part what I see is that higher TDP / Tcasemax numbers seem to indicate more OC potential when combined with better cooling and motherboard/memory combinations. Again, if you have empirical evidence to refute that, please share instead of talking out of your :slapass:

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Well thanks, that only took 'bout five post to get you to answer the question.... Fortunately this answer was quite clear and pretty hard to refute: it seems to suggest…. or these indicate that maybe…. or there’s too many variables to…. :) :)

That was the point, so I certainly won’t bother you further on this topic.... I’d also guess you won’t respond to my OC in the Rain thread.

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Originally Posted by pcdoc1

Well thanks, that only took 'bout five post to get you to answer the question.... Fortunately this answer was quite clear and pretty hard to refute: it seems to suggest…. or these indicate that maybe…. or there’s too many variables to…. :) :)

That was the point, so I certainly won’t bother you further on this topic.... I’d also guess you won’t respond to my OC in the Rain thread.

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sorry i don't have much time to post, much less read these forums regularly and check every topic or post my opinioins thereof. I don't know what your other OC topic is, but if I could help and have time, I would...

to me this tells me nothing....perhaps I am just ignorant...:toast:

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: B, Stepping: 1
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 2B, Stepping: 1
CPUID String: 20FB1
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (Manchester)
CPU Speed: 2598.04 (259.80 x 10.0)
Revision: BH9-E4
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 63C
TDP: 65.6 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

Version 1.19
Fixed a bug with program's GUI.
Fixed a potential problem with Opterons from big OEMs TDP/TCM not reported.

Version 1.18
Fixed a bug with reporting TDP on newer X2 4200+ CPUs.
Fixed a bug where CnQ was not supported and VCore field is empty, the field wouldn't be grayed out.

why i can't connect to the site???, i can't download it

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.19
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2655.26 (295.03 x 9.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 49C
TDP: 35.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

Guys how come my TDP is showing as 35W?

site connect problem :stick: where download Tcasemax v1.19 ??

Question: Higher case temps = better overclocks right?

So if you take a stack of 3700+s and you go through and the avg is around 55 - 57, t hat is your average overclocker. If you have a 53 or a 51, then your OCs probably suck? And if you have a 59, 61 or even 63, then your OCs probably rock?

I still dont understand the 49 degree thing..

Does this mean we shouldn't go above the max case temp? 49 is pretty dman low especially for DC optys...

depends on what the thermal offset is as well. In my cpu adventures, i have found that i have ALWAYS had temps change = or better than the thermal offset, unless it's a negative number. The high clocking cpu's i had have had both a high max remp, as well as a large thermal offset. the ones with lower offsets worked @ lower frequncies in comparison, over about 40 Rev E 939 cpu's

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.19
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2823.01 (313.67 x 9.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 61C
TDP: 95.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

Is this good? What does this stuff mean?

No one yet has explained the + (-) value of the AMD64 TCaseMax results..... I and others have asked this question numerous times without any reasonable reply.

Three cheers to the coder that wrote the app, but its value appears to be insignificant…

cpu is tested @ default speeds, the draw and the max temp reached under the test conditions are the maximum case temps and TDP. ALso there is a thermal offset which , to me, relates to the IHS. A positive number the bios adds to the reading(or doesn't depending on who wrote it), a negative it subtracts. All three go together.

Higher TDP means the cpu can handle such current, and so if you cool it better than thier testing methods, you can get higher clocks easier.

High TDP, with high thermal offset = Killer cpu.

Adding the "CABGE" stepping code, as well as the serial number, and you can almost pick a performer easily, by searching results on the internet.

Which field is the thermal offset?

use CBiD for that. It's under the mobility tab.

CCB1E 0608MPMW

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 165 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2906.33 (322.93 x 9.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 61C
TDP: 95.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83


95w :cool:

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.18
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: Dual Core AMD Opteron 170 (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2799.89 (279.99 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 61C
TDP: 95.0 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

95watts is good right?

max of this revision is supposed to be 110w...

with a max tcase of 49°C and only a 35W TDP I guess phase would do good in my situation? 170 0550 upmw.

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.19
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2750.84 (250.08 x 11.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 57C
TDP: 75.0 Watts

This would mean this is an average OCer? I haven't messed with it much, I'm hoping to get at least 2900mhz with 1.6 volts when I tweak on the weekend.
This thing isn't prime or OCCT stable... quite disconcerting.

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.19
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2700.75 (270.08 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 69C
TDP: 84.4 Watts



according to cbid, the temp offset is 15c. this chip is a great overclocker, a castrated toledo from the end of last summer. does 2.8ghz @ 1.38v with decent air. maxes out around 2930 @ 1.55v. when i first got this mainboard, it would do 3ghz +, but for some reason none of my cpu's oc as high on this board as they used to , all else being the same except for vid cards.


very truly yours,
politenessman

AMD64 TCaseMax - v1.19
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CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 7, Stepping: 1
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 27, Stepping: 1
CPUID String: 20F71
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Opteron 144 (San Diego)
CPU Speed: 1804.09 (200.45 x 9.0)
Revision: SH8-E4
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.400v
Maximum Case Temperature = 57C
TDP: 44.1 Watts

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com...topic.php?t=83

link to download is not working

can anyone upload it anywhere cause i just got a CBB1E 0609 and i want to test it with this prg to cpmare to the last ugly 0551

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Originally Posted by SaFrOuT

link to download is not working

can anyone upload it anywhere

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seconded

Just DLed it - so I guess it`s fixed.

35W TDP :eek:

is that good or bad?

still not working for me

can anyone please send it to me through email

ahmad.okda (AT) gmail (DOT) com

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Originally Posted by situman

is that good or bad?

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I`d say it`s VERY low

The lower TDP is supposed to run cooler. I can't give mine any more voltage without killing it from heat.