Ditto, Ditto. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by slayer899
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Ditto, Ditto. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by slayer899
It would be amazing, but I really doubt it will be that cheap. Maybe the board plus 2 blocks for $269. But we really are just speculating, I just want some more info on this board.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
There were working Bullhead boards at the ATI event, the available settings looked very impressive. Beyond that I'd better not say. I have no doubt the Sapphire board will be a force to be reckoned with.
Sapphire cannot be a force to be reckoned with when its not even producing anything forceful yet, lol. The board needs to come out soon.
it appears this board is not coming out soon enough for me... :(
maybe ill go DFI 754 and put off my big upgrade for a few months ? :p:
yeah, get a DTR chip, a DFI 754 board. Would be a nice setup, then you can always just use the same RAM, and drives and sell the vid card :D
jjcom
Me I'll wait as I have no choice right now. Drool mode on.... :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by jjcom
:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
you know, thats a great mode to be in when looking at that motherboard :D
jjcom
why 269? didnt somebody say the board will cost around 150$? this sounds about right, with 2 blocks 40$ each that would be 230$, and since its bundled we can expect it to be cheaper, so 220 maybe... your right, 199$ with two blocks was a little too optimistic :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ad Rock
DD still wants to make some money :D hehe
This will be just in time for summer so I can hack apart my water rig, I hate anticipation... heh. Anyone know who else is going to make this board besides sapphire? Is ATI going to be making it's own board like it does cards too?
ATi(Grayskull) has already said that They are only making Motherboard Chipsets, No motherboards.Quote:
Originally Posted by fareastgq
I NEED RELEASE DATES!!
/me runs around screaming
Sorry about that. I'm really looking forward to this board but I'm not sure I can wait long enough. My current setup is limping along on a RAM-crippled 9600 Pro "Advantage".
Go Sapphire! Go Sapphire! It's your birthday! :eleph: :banana:
Werd. I have been waiting ever since this thread was made. But I will definitely paciently wait for this kick :banana: :banana: :banana: board to come out.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcnbns
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Originally Posted by jjcom
hehe, i have a single 512 stick of Bh-6 that does 260 on 3.3v all day on NF2 ready for this baby.
im still on 9800pro so ill ride that out until its time to go ati+939, and hopefully ill be looking at r520 by then... just wonder if turion is worht the wait...
Sorry for OT once agian :(
Yep I guess you were a lot closer than me for pricing. I forgot that the msrp was $150, $199 actually seems possible now.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I just want this board released now.
yeah, I know what you mean, but if they release it now, I wouldn't be too surprised if we found serveral bugs right off the bat. I'm hoping that they'll have the time to tweak the board so it runs real nice. BH-5 :banana:
jjcom
i wanna see some prometeia on those mosfets
yaaaarr!
Well this is the right forum if we are ever to see something like that happen :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by krille
Subscribing to thread, just read every page, dying : )
I did too, the first time I read this :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by derubermensch1
Heck, If You're dying, I've been dead and will be a restless spirit until It comes out and I can buy It and the 2.8GHz FX-57 cpu. Then I can rest in peace. :rehab: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :rehab:Quote:
Originally Posted by derubermensch1
Hmm, trying to think of a way to explain to my work what I was doing for the last 17 pages ; ) Hehe...
cant wait for its release, didnt feel like reading through 17 pages anyone know when its supposed to come out for retail?
Umm, Let's see, How about on April 31st. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Circaflex
in sweden it's available 2005-05-01, i have already preorder it
Didn't see any new Sapphire or ATI's press release so how come people now have availability dates?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caper
in the webshop the date said 2005-05-01 (not confermed)Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
But the board has no official name so how can it be referenced :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by chefnr1
If you say sapphire motherboard i think people in the buisness will know what you're talking about. It is the only one they have right?Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
How would we know?Quote:
Originally Posted by DryFire
Actually at Cebit They had shown 3 different motherboards, Two green Sapphire motherboards were shown on Ocworkbench in taiwan and the grouper was shown on Hexus and Techpowerup.com.Quote:
Originally Posted by DryFire
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Cebit2005/Day5/2
As to when They will start selling them and when a place like Newegg will have It for sale is anyones guess, April Fools jokes not with standing of course. As there is no such date as April 31st, I could have said February 29th too and It would be just as fake, At least this Year It would be.
I don´t think the Sapphire boards listed at Komplett in Sweden are THE one we are looking for.
It´s listed here:
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=307925&cks=PRL
I think You may be right, It may turn out to be the other two boards and not the Grouper which I think is for the North American market only, If I'm wrong, so be It. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caper
i've mailed them for speqs so that i know what board it's turn out to bee, but it's easter holyday now so i cant get an answer until tuesday, and it's just wait and se what sort of board it is..Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
And then another funny statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
Yay, this board looks absolutely stunning. It also looks like it will hit the marked just before my yearly summer upgrade.
Must say this board + r520 + san diego will make a fine upgrade :banana:
I said I think, Meaning I don't know one way or another. So how is that funny?Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
can you see the board on komplett in norway,and what do you say is it THE board or....Quote:
Originally Posted by jagt
Yeah, as you know, Komplett's main stock is in Norway, so they hold the exact same info as komplett.se.
Here: http://www.komplett.no/k/kl.asp?bn=10482 Scroll to the bottom. I really doubt this is "the" board. First of all they do not mention "Gruper", which is the board's name, secondly, it's way too cheap to be the Gruper. I mean, under 900NOK for the costiest one? Doesn't sound right.
Edit: Though, I'm sure I can fire off an email to komplett and ask what boards these are.
ok i've checked it and it's the same as in swe, and i have mailed them and ask what board it realy are, and i agree with you thats way too cheap to be the real gruper, well it's just to wait untill they answer,they can be a little slow here in swe to answer on mail though.. :( but you can test mailing them and see if you can get a faster answer :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by jagt
but where can we check how to get this special board???
It didn't come out yet.
As said as done. Komplett usally answers within a day or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefnr1
Well, that's prolly because i'm not a native English speaker but that's the first time i see someone saying "i think" meaning "i don't know". Generaly when i think something is about to happend, that's because some elements point to that direction otherwise this is just random thinking and you could just as well have said they would be released in Vanuatu only.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
chefnr1: sorry to say this, but it ain't the right motherboard.. i also pre-ordered it, and then mailed Sapphire and asked if it was the same.. this is the answer i got:
So it will probably take a while before we will se this :( Anyway, i will keep my order so they won't send my other stuff i ordered. Will wait until they get this on the market.. will be nice with 4x512 Twinmos 3500 Speed-Premium and this board. Then i'll probably add an ATI-vid and a Venice core A64. ;)Quote:
Hi Robert,
They are not the same board, the one you seen @ Xtreme Systems is design for over clocking and we don’t have a product number for this board yet!
Best regards,
Sapphire tech
well too bad that theyre not the right board :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolle2k
IN SWE (men varför ska du ha ordern kvar de e ju bara o logga in o stryka den på ordern,eller du tror att dom ska vara någe bra dom brädorna på komplett?? o vet du om de e för svenska marknaden eller bara för US för jag ska bara ha tag i den brädan)
ok thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jagt
Yes, thats truly bad, but hopefully it wont take long before they start producing the OC model.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefnr1
IN SWE - (Jag ska ha kvar ordern för att dom då inte skickar mina övriga saker jag beställt, dvs minnen osv. Dvs när dom(minnena) kommer in på lager reserveras dom till min beställning. Och sen när dom får in det "Bra" sapphire moderkortet så lägger jag till det i beställningen och avbeställer det gammla. På så sätt så kommer minnena ligga och vänta på min beställning och jag får dom även om dom skulle vara tillfälligt slutsålda när moderkortet finns i lager. Jag är ganska övertygad på att om dom släpper brädan så gör dom det överallt, jag menar det blir ju bara större vinst.)
yep me too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolle2k
IN SWE (ok på så vis ja då får vi bara hoppas dom tillverkar o släpper den här värsting brädan snart)
Lets help them out shall we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolle2k
SG-AXE200 and SG-AXE200P how bout this? I break it down like this; Sapphire Gruper-ATI Xpress Enthusiast or Extreme 200/P chipset.
I thought AXE would be a better name than a fish ;)
i really want one of these for my next rig :)
i do have a question tho how do you all know the name of the board is gruper when sapphire dosnt even have a product number for it yet?
none the less wicked board and i love the air/water cooling options it offers cant wait for it to hit e shelfs :p:
Fzero, I think "Gruper" is just the name they gave the pre production board.
I thought Gruper refered to the chipset codename that was used on these boards?Quote:
Originally Posted by IRQ Conflict
anyone hear about new radeon R520 gpu card.Someone new informatioin for this card.
Okay, got a reply from komplett. As expected:Quote:
Originally Posted by chefnr1
Translated: "The board in the webshop isn't the Gruper board. After the information I've gotten, the Gruper should be out by the end of may."Quote:
Heisann,
Det er ikke Gruper kortet vi har liggende ute. Etter det jeg har fått av info så burde de kortene komme i slutten av mai.
--
Per Øyvind G
Salgsavd.
Komplett.no
ok thanks, is just to wait then :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by jagt
iplo20022: youre in wrong thread this is all about the ATI xpress 200 board
Ad Rock, You may be right, I was just guessing :D
no the chipset is the Xpress200, no need for code now, grouper is the code for the saphhire version of that board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ad Rock
End of May...so not awhole lot longer. Are they're any other product being released at the time? (like a high end graphics card, new processor, etc?)
jjcom
Lets see Venice...this board and fudo (R520) in a few months...hmm YES!!!!
Yeah, thats a recipe for total own4g3 :rocker:Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDragon
yeah, IF Sapphire releases the board at the same time at the R520, then that would be good for sales. A card like that, plus if the board lives up to the specs, than it would be a great buy.
jjcom
i really think that ati wants to realease the board when the new r520 is out.. with all that thing like AMR ..
Here is what they said wheen i contact them.
Q
Hi! i'm very interested of that new motherboard Radeon Xpress 200 Enthusiast Board "gruper" s939 that been shown at CeBit sapphire are going to build, and i wonder when it will be finnish and ready for market, and will it be available in europe aswell..
best regards..
Tommy..
A
Hi Tommy,
ETA is May 2005; please contact your local retailer for more information or preorder.
Best regards,
Sapphire tech
And i phoned the company that import sapphirecard, Ingram Micro and they wont say a word about the new R520.Its just for resellers they said yhey could'nt answer privat person that :)
R520=AMR. MAybe..just..maybe?
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Originally Posted by chefnr1
Thanks for the info chefnr1
These distributors can be a bunch of jacka** .What's it to them giving an ETA on the cards;it's not like you asked the cost price :rolleyes: .
You will never get a definite answer from them in a situation like that. They dont know who you are and if they will be qouted as saying "The card will be out by May 5th". Then you take that date and post it up here and when its not out by then we are start crapping on saphire saying they are a bad company that can not realease a product on time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanobot
Vague answers are a manufactures best friend for unrealeased items :D.
no one said anything about may 5th they said to me in May, it could be May1th and oterwise May 30, they did'nt know exactley when it's release date was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ad Rock
and they get that i was a private person otherwise i had to log on in an area that resellers only can do :p:
This is DEFFINITLY going to be my Next mobo with a Fudo and a Venice...UMM FAST!!! MAN THAT WILL SCREAM...but yeah relesing the Fudo and this at the same time will a sweat deal (well not really a deal but you know what i mean...) so that is my next system on water of course...
This mobo will be definitely be sweet.
Let's see....sell the DFI Ultra-D, X850XT PE, FX55 and re-up with a Sapphire Xpress 200, R520, and FX57 and I'll be ready to rock.
Hrmm there must be a language barier stopping you from understanding what I meant by that. I was using the qoute of "may 5th" as an example that they will never tell you a specific release date since they do not want to be held responsible to uphold that specific date.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefnr1
i knew what you meant! i was just meanig it could be anytime in May and it could be as far as june too.
wow... I was planning out a new DFI SLI rig, but this changes things a bit... I think I might hold my wad and wait for this board and the Fudo to come out... not only are the stats amazing, but it's so purrrrdy too. :)
EDIT :: WHOA!! http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22203
this is crazy!! so you can fill up all your PCI-E slots with ATI (multi VPU compat) video cards if you want. lol!!
"While NVIDIA SLI splits the screen into two parts and one GPU renders each half, ATI's solution breaks the screen into little squares. Remember the chessboard effect you had when pipelines were bad with the softmod?
That's how it is going to work, just on a bigger scale, called "Super Tiling". Any GPU from R300 and up supports Super Tiling in hardware and they can be mixed when in SLI mode.
However, ATI most probably will not enable SLI for GPUs other than the R4xx and R520 series.
ATI's SLI is also not limited to two video cards. There will be one master card which presents the rendered data to the screen and coordinates the slaves which transfer their rendered data into the master's framebuffer. A physical PCB to link the video cards is not required, everything is done via PCI-Express bus."
found here - http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=2584
That's pretty smart though... they work it so it behaves like a computer "cluster".
Here's a comparison I found of the ATi Radeon Xpress 200 chipset versus the Nforce3, Nforce4 Ultra and the Via K8T800 Pro chipsets. Mind You this is before the Sapphire Grouper (or in non-english Gruper) was even mentioned of course.
http://www.behardware.com/articles/530/page1.html
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I still don't know how much better you can get than the DFI board, though. Still, I'll probably end up waiting for this board before I upgrade. (Venice can only get better in the meantime, right? :D)
Heh its a very Canadian patriotic board if you ask me :D
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Originally Posted by mcnbns
you kidding? the specs on this alone make it better then the DFI in my book.
but i just pray that it delivers, many times you see boards with this kind of promise and they stink when they arrive.
Considering that the ATi chipset has been found a little bit ago to be slower than the NF4 chipset at this website> http://www.behardware.com/articles/558/page1.html I think unless the Sapphire Grouper is faster than the DFI Nf4 Ultra-D, I would then rather get the DFI and a 6600 express card instead. Note I saw It on a website somewhere and I'd thought I'd saved It, So the above may not be the one. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
I just skimmed that and didn't see anything about the ATi chipset. That's the VIA K8T890 chipset, which is widely accepted as not being the performer the NForce 4 is. It's a bit cheaper though, so it works great for a value board.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
Yeah, I realized that after I typed that, Sorry. I did see a comparison of the Radeon Xpress 200, Via K8T800 Pro, Norce3 and the Nforece4 Ultra and the Nforce4 was on top, But I have no idea where I saw It at, Only that It was at a major website. Although this website does have some bearing on this matter: http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...200/page14.aspQuote:
Originally Posted by Psyche911
I found It, And wow was that hard to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyche911
http://www.behardware.com/art/imprimer/530/
It seems like nForce4 Ultra is slightly faster than ATI Radeon Xpress.
^thats not what i read, from what i read the ATI did better in DX and the nf4 did better in open GL, kind of funny actually, as the video cards are the same way.
Thats not the Gruper board thats linked there, it's the test version from Nov- 2004, Gruper is a totally other board and the real specs is'nt released yet..Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
I was talking abot the ATi Radeon Xpress 200 chipset vs the Nf4 chipset, Not the Sapphire Grouper motherboard that is based on that same ATi chipset.Quote:
Originally Posted by chefnr1
ok yall. I haven't read the first 18 pages but i dont care. Wanted to tell yall that the x200 chipset has been relesed by MSI board at Best Buy. It has the integrated graphics of course, and an pcie 16x slot. have an 3200+ in there. Not bad for an emachine. I plan to install a game on it this thursday, so I will get to test the video. This might be the first machine that you can game right out of the box for a prebuilt system. And with 4 sata connectors and raid 0,1+, and dual channel memory installed already...its a kick at machine with upgradablilty!!!
ok :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
Do you mean this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gsus_Freak
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p...M2-IL&class=mb
That's not the board this thread is about. That's a Micro ATX board.
But can someone tell me what the heck the difference is? The chipsets are the same, Radeon Xpress 200. Right? But it's not the enthusiast board? It is the same chipset in the enthusiast board though, just a different board itself?
The MSI uses the SB400 southbridge chip and was designed mainly for HP and has No native overclocking ability without an ECS Bios upgrade(It's been done), The Sapphire Grouper uses the much better SB450 southbridge chip which has better Azailia audio and USB 2.0, The SB400 is considered buggy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyche911
Wrong, wrong, wrong!
There is nothing special required in the southbridge to support overclocking. The reason why the current MSI board is not overclocking friendly is because of their choice of clock generator. A simple clock chip swap would transform the board into an easy clocker. The next obstacle is voltage options on that board or lack thereof. The chipset is exactly the same as what you've previously seen on Bullhead. This should be an indication of how board design is important when it comes to overclockability.
As for the SB400, you will find it on many oem designs. Big oems will never accept a "buggy" chip of any kind. That said, the SB450 is an evolution of the SB400 with Azalia audio support and a few other tweaks.
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Originally Posted by zoom314
So how will people be able to discern the enthusiast board if you've got low end and high end board with the same chipset? I certainly hope Sapphire wont be the only one with this board.
At least with the (cringe) nForce 4, you've got NF4/NF4: Ultra/NF4: SLI
I hope this all becomes more apparent in time.
Then I was misinformed, Ok. From what some MSI owners who have the motherboard with the sb400 chip, They mention that the Bios has no overclocking options in It. Oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
Now theres a can of worms. Asus P5-a comes to mind :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
The SB400 southbridge works but it uses far too much CPU and is slower than most if not all other USB 2.0 solutions, if you do buy a board based on the 200 chipset buy a board with the newer SB450 southbridge, it has decent USB and Azalia audio support.
zoom314, the boards your pals have won't have those options in bios because the clock generator and lack of voltage adjustments won't allow it (overclocking) as Greyskull pointed out.
I see, Well that's all cleared up.Quote:
Originally Posted by IRQ Conflict
Guys, there's no comparison between the qualification that happens on a big OEM's motherboard as opposed to a retail channel motherboard. The big OEM boards are tested much more thoroughly.
Also, there is a difference between "buggy" and performance. There are many situations where others have flaunted performance numbers but have many skeletons in the closet when it comes to compatibility and robustness. I can't tell you how many SATA drives I've wiped out on another vendor's platform wheras to date I haven't wiped out any on SB400.
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Originally Posted by IRQ Conflict
thats fine but when is this enthusiast board going retail?
amd and intels rush to release dual core cpus recently may suggest that socket m2 cpus will be out on time or even earlier than the projected 1st half (qtr?) next year.
so how many months do you expect to sell this board before all "enthusiasts" switch to a socket m2 mobo?
I don't think "all enthusiasts" will switch to an Intel mobo because of dual core. AMD is doing the dual core thing, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by googles
isnt m2 an amd ddr2 socket of the future?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcnbns
You are right not all will unless the performance diff is HUGE...but by that time DDR2 will have a nice foot hold...but the thing is it is like 754 or 939 just in this case it is 939 or M2...where one has DDR2 support and better CPU's (maybe better cpus)
For those of you saying the nForce 4 is faster, that may be at the time of that review. But that review was posted on November 8, 2004. Here it is, April 9, just over 5 months later and the hardware isn't even finalized. Once it is, probably 6-7 months will have passed, along with 6-7 months of driver improvements.
I think it's safe to say we currently have no idea how the board will perform. ;)