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Originally Posted by Magnj
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Well a bit dissapointed I guess.. 2.65ghz tops no matter what voltage. It needs volts up to 2.65 then thats it. SO it seems watercooling is a wast really with these chips. Im sure I could hit these speeds with a 40 dollar cooler never mind 300 in water gear... :confused:
Gaspar luck of the draw i guess
my CAA2C 0505 APMW with single eVGA 6800U PCI-E :)
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL...5_14667_tn.jpg
got my new one today from ZZF... looking good so far...
i'll post pics later...
so far its hit 2.65 superpi stable at 1.5 volts
Finally i figured it out. Its like i said earlier.. a bad memory controller.
If want to run RAM at 260+ when running CPU at 2400-2500Mhz or more, i have to loosen Trtw and Twtr to 2, and set Max Async Latency to 7ns.
Right now im doing 275*10 1.5-2-2-5 with Trtw 1, Trtw 1 and 7ns. 1.65v / 3.5v. If i tighten one of them, instant reboot.
This chip is going in my gaming rig. No good for benching.
probably a motherboard problem i tested same 2x 256MB KHX3200K2/512 BH-5 ram in both MSI K8N Neo2 and DFI NF4 SLI-D only K8N Neo2 handles my ram at 270+ mhz 2-2-2-6 7-12-2-2-1-1 while DFI NF4 only can do 2-2-2-6 7-12-2-2-1-2
I just wonder if these CPUS are actually worth it?
Seems only a few have been any good..
But we need more People to test them...
Please Go post your Steppings in my Amd OC database in my Sig, Please Note you have the AS Clawhammer core
id really like to see if theres a difference in these chips...
Nope.. atleast I dont think so. Its a DFI nF4 .. and with my old NewCastle I can run 275 with both Trtw and Twtr 1 .. and max asynx 6ns.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
BTW: With the same timings described in previous post im now at 280*10 1.5-2-2-5.
hmm.. well these probably arn't as bad as they are seeming now (not that they are 'bad' regardless but yunno what I mean). Where hearing 'not stable past 2600mhz no matter what volts. Then they tell us they are 55-60c, well... :rolleyes: take a guess why. I know all of you arn't like that, there are some bad chips, but still. 60c and it's likely ur gonna be losing stability.
I'm thinking it may be my mobo. On my Neo2 I could run my FX-53 at 2.5ghz with around 1.7v. My Giga board won't even think about it. I'm just ordered a Neo2 to confirm my theory.
You are absolutly right sir.. ~60c doesn´t help stability at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptobs2000
Im actually a bit tempted to mount my CPU Cooler. Might get 3.1Ghz for bench.
that dosn't sound good, I'll be using a k8ns ultra when it gets back from rma :( I plan to mod the hell out of it, but still... Don't think some extra caps would help anything too muchQuote:
Originally Posted by GregP24
So of you people who don't have a good chip, how many are running above 50c just wondering?Quote:
Originally Posted by Formann
Can you post a screenshot of a64 tweaker for me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Formann
So these are FX's then?
:eek: I always wanted a SLEDGEHAMMA!!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
[MC]HAMMA time!!! :banana:........Can't touch this!
EDIT:...........uhhhh....how come my other 3500+NC box says 640KB cache?http://discuss.futuremark.com/images...suspicious.gif.........I want my other 128KB!
I personally tested 5 of them, and each and every one of them OCs well. :)
3 0506 week, 2 0505 week.
All of them were able to prime stable at aleast 2.8G with vcore 1.6 or less,
with water temp set to 20C.
PI stable clocks were around 2.93G~3G.
3D stable same as above. :)
(but I had to set the water temp to 4C to achieve 3G, 20C for 2.93G.
big differance ;) Guess 3G would be kind of hard with normal water cooling)
The only problem right now is that my retailer
here has gone out of stock with these babes. :D
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Originally Posted by Dissolved
the other 128 = L1 :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lidocaine
Well I've started testing with my new 3500+
ADA3500DEP4AS
CAA2C 0504MPMW
I thought I would try stock voltage first to see how far it will go. CPU-Z
reads as 1.456
I'm doing this quickly so I am running SuperPi 1M and the occasional 8M
or even 32m down the road for stability. I do not run my systems 24/7,
only for benching so I don't prime... I've never had any luck with it
anyway... I can't even pass prime at stock clocks on my FX-55 :p:
I'll 3D bench later at the higher overclocks with SuperPi 32M for stability
but so far so good the chip looks pretty good at stock voltage... let's
just hope it likes more juice...
Testing with DFI Ultra-D 310P bios Mushkin BH-5 2x256 1.5-2-2-5 and threw in
an x700 pro....
10x250 1.456v SuperPi 1M
http://www.jpop.com/maru/3500b.jpg
10x260 1.456v SuperPi 1M and 8M
http://www.jpop.com/maru/3500c.jpg
http://www.jpop.com/maru/3500d.jpg
Okay I've upped the volts a bit and cpu-z is reading 1.504v
chip is looking pretty good at 2.7ghz
11x246 SuperPi 1M and 8M
http://www.jpop.com/maru/3500e.jpg
http://www.jpop.com/maru/3500f.jpg
CAA2C 0506 BPMW
prime stable for 6.5 hours (no errors) with only 1.53 volts hit 2.76 ghz
this is my chip from zzf... seems to me that the 2 is better than the Z but maybe it's too early to make any conclusions...
i'll try 2.8 (11 x 255) but that's gonna be it for 1:1 with my pc3200VX... these sticks haven't been burnt in yet so I'm gonna need to do some burning in to get past this 255 hill (240 - 255 htt memtest stable with only 3.3 volts)...
http://www.johnshim.com/a64/3500/2755.jpg
Nice work shimmishim,
Well 11x255 for 2805mhz was good to go at 1.648v... that's it for today I'll do more
tomorrow... this BH-5 is good for 278 1:1 so I hope this memory controller can take
it.... :)
11x255 2805mhz @ 1.648v
Edit I actually bumped up the voltage more than I wanted... I was meaning to do between 1.55 and 1.6 but those damn percentages! ;)
http://www.jpop.com/maru/3500g.jpg
Okay really one more before I sleep:
11x264 2905mhz @ 1.648v
http://www.jpop.com/maru/3500h.jpg
anyone running 2x 512MB OCZ PC3500 Platinum Limited Edition BH-5 on these cpus ? i am in shock as with this cpu and DFI NF4 SLI-D i'm running memtest @ 266-270mhz 2-2-2-6 1T at 3.5-3.6v super pi, 3dmark2001 and pcmark04 memory test all passable!
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Originally Posted by redgoo
Sure.. coming right up.
I noticed a typo in the post you quoted. I ment Trtw and Twtr 2, not 1. To make up fot the typo; I managed Twtr 1 with some more vdimm. Now at 3.7v :)
http://privat.bluezone.no/forman/images/281-tweaker.JPG
@eva.... i know what you mean!!!
i hit 260 htt with my 2 x 256 kingston bh-5s when i wasn't even able to get 250 stable on my 9nda3j even with 3.6 volts!!!
i've tested my VX up to 255 htt with 3.3 volts and they memtest fine...
at 260 errors show up within 3 loops of test #5.
i'll try to see if they'll do 270ish with 3.6 volts.. i doubt it though....
yeah 2x 512MB BH-5 booted into windows at 270mhz 2-2-2-6 at 3.6-3.7v but pifast failed hehe found out @260mhz ish max async latency of 7ns is fine but >260mhz max async latency of 8ns was needed to pass pifast @268mhz 2-2-2-6 at 3.7v heh
yeah this dfi board rocks! :)
Your best with those same sticks on another motherboard? Oh BTW - :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
2x 512MB OCZ PC3500 Plat LE BH-5Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamit
on AI7
- 250mhz 2-2-2-7 at 3.18v
on P4C800-E with DDR booster
- 257mhz 2-2-2-6 at 3.5-3.6v
on DFI NF3 250Gb
- 235-240mhz 2-2-2-6 at 3.6v
Here are the a64 tweaker settings I use for BH-5 and VX... courtesy of sierra_bound and mICKEYmOUSE.
BH-5:
http://www.jpop.com/maru/a64.jpg
VX:
http://www.jpop.com/maru/a64vx.jpg
I think I'm getting close to the max of this particular caa2c 0504mpmw chip...
I reached the point where I had to considerably raise vcore in order to get
any kind of stable OC... I'm not finished testing yet but from these initial
tests I've posted I can echo what others have said in this thread... these
chips if you get a good one are pretty good for up to 2.6-2.7ghz at around
1.5-1.6 vcore. You might even be lucky and do close to 2.8ghz.. but beyond
that vcore needs a big bump which equals lots of heat from these chips... so
for air cooling users the ceiling may be between 2.6 and 2.7ghz if you're
lucky.... and for some people that's probably not good enough :(
It could be my ram or board as well since I'm still using BH-5 and pushing HTT
pretty high (need to get my g.skill working on this setup, my DFI hates it).
This morning I was able to do close to 3ghz but at quite a jump in vcore and
while able to complete pifast and superpi 1m, I couldn't make it through
superpi 8m.
11x271 @ 1.776 1:1 2-2-2-5
http://www.jpop.com/maru/3500i.jpg
http://www.jpop.com/maru/3500j.jpg
Awesome that on phase change ?
thanks the settings might give me an idea how to set my bh-5 on the msi neo2 plat... havnt really played with the a64 as of yet. this would be a good start ;):DQuote:
Originally Posted by gocchin
It is eva, I had to throw the evap on for that vcore... I was expecting more but as I said that might be the max for this particular chip... I think someone else in this thread had their's over 3.1ghz on phase? As always it's the luck of the draw with these chips... looks like you've got a pretty good one?Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
They should be good... I used those timings on my Neo2 as well :)Quote:
thanks the settings might give me an idea how to set my bh-5 on the msi neo2 plat...
yeah these CAA2C have nice mem controllers too . man i really want on air/water 2.9+ ghz but don't want to fork out for FX-55 :o
Hehe I may be selling my 55 soon... it's good for 2.9 on air, 3.0 on water and nearly 3.4 on phase ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
These chips are really flakey....
CAA2C 0506 BPMW
Im having a hard time getting it to Prime at stock speed.
that's the exact same one i have... i never checked stock but mines prime stable at 2.76 and 1.53 volts
I could load windows at 300x9 at stock volts (not stable)
But couldnt load windows at 250x11 at same voltage.
WTF?
that is very strange indeed
ooooooooooh let me know when you do :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gocchin
proof of a good mem controller BH-5 @260mhz 2-2-2-6 http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?p=2907#post2907 :)
Very Funny Hardcore :PQuote:
Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
My MSI Neo2 has a temp bug that I just figured out, so first boot is 8c high. After a warm reboot its normal temps. My notes are shot now because I don't know which temps where at what time.
I can't get over 2600mhz no matter what I do. More Vcore just makes more heat. I get rounding errors "FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4". Those have almost always been memory errors for me in the past, I'm not sure what they are now. Memory was at 133 and I still get this error.
"FATAL ERROR: Resulting sum was 4637490445826678, expected: 4637490445957738" these type errors I've always found to be the CPU speed limits errors. Or to much heat.
2600mhz 260x10 50c low speed fan on a XP120. 1.55v vcore. Its fairly warm in this room too. 78-82f.
Whats the best memory to get now 1Gb total 2x512?
Same here. My mobo overvolts, so leaving it at 'normal' results in 1.55v, it's pri me stable there. Setting it to 1.5v results in prime failing after a few hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by clockedOut
I've got a neo2 coming so, screw this POS mobo. waste of money.
That sounds exactly like my CPU! I can get to 2600, past that is not stable. I've gone all the way up to 1.7V or so and it won't budge.Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerX27
So even though CPUID will say Newcastle, The Egg has them listed as Clawhammer and has the 3500+ on sale for $267. :confused:
just bought a 0504 GPMW hope its a good one, will have it under a r507 machI by the end of the day.
Same one I've got. On my giga board with a pretty decent WC setup, it's not stable at stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
Doing well right now at 2600MHz 260 x 10 stock volts!
oh.... well i'll hope for the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by GregP24
Have you guys who can't get past 2600 tried using memory dividers?
I can't seem to get mine stable past 260 1:1, but I can SPi 1M all the way up to 2930 if i use dividers. It seems the more mhz I get, the worse the memory controller does :(
When I start overclocking, I always use the memory divider that's like 5:6 or something just so I can make SURE that my memory isn't limiting. Then I start searching for the highest HTT at the highest multiplier. After I do that, I bring the multi down a notch and start searching again...Quote:
Originally Posted by redgoo
I can only get to 2600 Prime stable no matter what I do. I can do SuperPi into 2700 maybe even 2800 though, but that's about it.
what're your temps ackbar?
At 1.58 V (what it takes to get 2600 Prime stable)...Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptobs2000
Current: 35-37 idle
45-47 load (Prime95)
Cooling is XP-120 on Palaflo medium speed model at 12V.
I think my temps are good. I always get bad CPUs... my last Winchester could only do 2350 (semi-stable) at 1.6V! In contrast, I can do less volts and get much higher speeds with this CPU, so I'm somewhat happy.
hmm.. well ur temps are up there, could just be that it needs more voltage to get past 2600mhz, but ur temps get 55+, and then you start to lose stability.
Well, I have tried everything..... different volts, tweaking mem timings... I cant get this CAA2C 0506 BPMW to prime at stock speeds or any speed for that matter.
But not priming at stock speed is grounds for RMA. Back she goes .... unless anybody has any ideas?
That sounds like you got a bad chip clockedOut. Maybe yours is a 3500+ speed DUD not just a "failed" FX-55
yeah thats the luck of the draw.... I think I will just send it back and do what I should have done and wait for Venice.
My current 3500 newcastle is doing 300x9 with 1.7 vcore, not great but not to bad.
Temp probe on the cpu says 40c max.
I'd consider that damn good. Honestly, with all the poor overclockers I've been getting lately, I find it hard to sympathize with anyone that says that he/she can only get to 2700. :rolleyes: Unless that's on phase!Quote:
Originally Posted by clockedOut
Tried a bit of benchmarking... I was in windows XP so 3dmark2001 is not optimal... also
no ricky tweak and directX 9 instead of 8.1..... I'm sure it would gain nearly 1000 points
in w2k with ricky and directX 8.1... tried an X850 XT (conservative OC for 3D03 and stock for 3D01) this time:
http://www.jpop.com/maru/3500k.jpg
http://www.jpop.com/maru/3500l.jpg
i'm not connected to the internet on my rig with the sledge/claw just yet. but with a machI @r507 i was able to get like 3.18 superpi1M stable for 27secs, with TCCD at 318. i'll have pics up in a couple hours. my evap was reading -36, with cpu temps at around -12C according to bios, i think i had about 1.85 running through it.
That's awesome! You've got a good chip there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
just got my ada3500dep4as
stepping is caa2c 0505 dpmw will post results shorlty.
Just what I have Chew -- going 300 MHz fsb now on my MSI Neo4 Platinum SLI(K8N Diamond) 1:1 with GSkill LA. A great chip! Going in your Abit that helps crappy Winchesters?Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
yep in my an8 its doing 2.6 default volts.
any news about the 0506's... any luck whit OC ????
Great, good bargain these chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Even at a meager 400 MHz overclock, these chips are a great value. Consider the fact that just about everyone so far is able to get at least that much overclock and I think it's something that'll tide everyone over until Venice or dual core.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ackbar
Exactly my opinion on these chips. It was basically a garunteed 400mhz OC, and at any rate it was an upgrade from my crappy XP-M 2600. Perfect chip to dive into A64 overclocking and tide me over until we get Venices mainstream and see how they OC :)
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=7745
so here is my pic
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=26969&stc=1
that isn't the setting i'm running at right now. for some reason my TCCD is being really funky, so i was only able to run it for like an hour before it constantly restarts my pc. it was actually done at like 3.18ghz with 318DDR 2.5-4-3-7. i think maybe my bios is slightly screwed up or something, because suddenly my TCCD is incredibly unstable. I think i'm going to be buying some VX, and hopefully i can get 26 seconds.
right now i have my memory at 1/2 of 282HTT. its centon value with nanya sticks, absolute crap, they can't even run at like 180FSB, and yet they are supposed to be 200. but its the 3rd time i've RMA'd the memory, so i'm not going to waste my time with them anymore.
You're running a XP-120 with 1.85V??!! Holy :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: !!! You've got some balls! What kinda temps are you getting and what fan are you using??Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
if you read a few posts up...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ackbar
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Originally Posted by Skip
Ahh... I remember reading that... but then I saw his sig this past post. I guess I didn't put two and two together! LOL :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Wingz
Looking at your screenie, it seem you have the same problem I do with ATITool, no temp readings when overclocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by gocchin
Here are my results so far on a Epox 9NDA3J,
CAA2C 0505DPMW
niceQuote:
Originally Posted by motoolfan
I'm 90% sure my problem is my mobo. I've noticed no one else who is having great results is using a Giga mobo. I hope I'm right........I did get it prime for 2 hours at 2.55ghz@1.55v. So, that's a start.
The gigabyte board held my winny back. Plus its very finicky.Quote:
Originally Posted by GregP24
Yes, it might just be your Giga board
hope it's not, cause thats what I'll be using :(
hi, just got mine...
ADA3500DEP4AS
CAA2C 0507BPMW
1212764B50877
using xp90 + tornado 90mm
DFI SLI D
512x2 Hynix D43 ram
400W Acbel PSU
What?
Ok, I just got my new one from zzf. This one is a CAA2C, unlike my crappy ZC from newegg. I "think" the stepping was 050"4,6,7"FPMW. I just can't remember the week, but it is definitely FPMW. I'll check for sure later.
Anyways, I'm writing this at 2.64 ghz at stock voltage. Erm, well it's set to 1.525 in bios because my board undervolts a little. This is "essentially" stock.
stock is 1.5 to 1.55....just watch that your vdimm is solid, if you are gonna go high with it.
I just got my new one from ZZF: CAA2C 0505DPMW
hopefully the memory controller will be better on this one. I'll post results later.
Great, mine like that from zzf is doing well -- 2700 MHz now on air!Quote:
Originally Posted by redgoo
Did anyone get a good one from Newegg? I ordered one from there today. I saw a couple of the user reviews showed good results. I'm hopeing to get 2.7-2.8Ghz w/ XP-90 and high speed 92mm Panaflo.
My 3500+ Winchester didn't seem to be that great of an overclocker. It topped out around 2500Mhz on my MSI Neo2. I have a DFI Ultra-D now.
the two i got from newegg/chiefvalue (same store pretty much) weren't very good...
1st one did 2.64 prime stable, 2.75 3d benchable, 2.86 superpi stable
2nd one couldn't even do 2.6 w/o 1.66+ volts so i returned it
3rd one is from zzf and is doing 2.8 with 1.66 volts
I got mine from the EGG 2.65 Super PI stable but not prime95 no matter what voltage Caazc.... :(
SO are these really "failed" FX-55's? Some obviously better than others -- I wonder if there is a way to tell?
Well i hope i get a good one from Newegg. My order is already charged so i can't cancel now. Were the ones you got from Newegg a different stepping then the one's from ZipZoomFly everyone is getting? What is the best stepping? CAA2C?Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
theres caaZc and caa2c. 2's are good. Apparantly Z's are pretty poor performers.
I got a Z, no benches, bur someone with similar stepping is doing 2.65 ish on air.
If you oredered Egg chances are you'll get a Z
I called Newegg and the lady said my order had already shipped about 3 hours ago but i could just refuse the delivery from FedEx and i wont be hit with the 15% restocking fee.
I'm going to go ahead and order one from ZZF as well and then i'll decide which one i'm going to keep between now and when they get here. I need to have my other CPU ready to ship by Thursday afternoon if possible.
The one from newegg was a CAAZC while the one from ZZF was CAA2CQuote:
Originally Posted by burningrave101
the CAA2C has been better for me.
it is the chip in my sig running 2.75 with 1.53 volts :)
Tell me about it. I can't use a multi less than 10 or it starts to hang on boot. POS mobo. My Neo2 should be here in a few days.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
It MIGHT be his K8NS, but MY K8NS is better than MY NEO2...Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
I personally didn't find MINE finicky at all.
And has been since day 1 with both BH-5 and GSkill LE ( 2x256 of each, DC), and with a Winny 3000+ ( o441spmw), and a 0438 NC .
Luck of the draw, and my luck ummmmmm......
Well it rhymes with Lux ..... :( :mad:
You probably had a bad Neo2, then. I had a Neo2, but had to RMA and bought this board to cover in the meantime. I could tell within 5 mintues of using this board that my Neo2 was much better. It could be the proc, but I doubt it.
I still have it, I'm using the POS now, as my GB board is being used as an HTPC atm.
It works, just don't clock worth a damn.
Everyone's different, but I personally don't RMA things that work...
Even if they blow chunks clocking.
all the bad news on the k8ns :( It's all I got right now. I hope mine dosn't blow chunks.