Nope but I'd go with something like this if not o/cing(btw why buy this board if you aren't o/cing? You would be fine with a less expensive solution I'd think?)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...146-299&depa=1
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Nope but I'd go with something like this if not o/cing(btw why buy this board if you aren't o/cing? You would be fine with a less expensive solution I'd think?)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...146-299&depa=1
why on earth are u paying out for the DFI if not overclocking? If your not then any RAM rated to pc3200 with ok timings will be fine no matter what make.
At stock speeds higher quality ram just doesn't have much of an advantage over lower speeds.
Where the sweet spot is at for ram such as the g.skill I suggested for O/Cing is when you start getting at higher FSBs. Where running a 280+ FSB at a 1:1 ratio with your memory at 1t and lower timings such as 2.5-3-3-7 or whatever it may be is greater than what value ram will usually give you, as it will sometimes only run at 2t, need the use of a divider etc.
I understand the bios change, but can you state what the hardware change was? Is it something that will help OCs or cure any certain issue? Can you elaborate?Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
:toast: thx
All I know is a "hardware" fix is in the works and I just got word the "DFI" ship date has been pushed back to 1/31. I think the beta testing that has gone on in this thread and others has led to some fixes and bios updates and DFI wants to launch the board right the first time.
I think most definitely they will fix the NB fan clearance issue.
Sorry, don't have a Winchester, in fact I have never had one. So I never got the chance to even see the sub-0 cooling bug the chips have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blindbat
OPP
Oh well, thanxs for the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Umm...take a chance and go winnie or play safe and go newcastle...let's flip a coin!
It isn't an issue. It's the same on all of the Nforce boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
maybe you bigtoe, (or any other one with the DFI/Wini/phase) can check if this MoBo has that bug?! :rolleyes:
The TwinMos Speed Premuim RAM wouldn't be bad its something like ~90 bucks at newegg for a 512mb stick and reacts to volts like OCZ VXQuote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
jjcom
a "hardware fix" is in the works - one week before the launch ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
*Shrug* anything is possible, although very unlikely.
Wonder...maybe the early board won't be as good as the ones say a few weeks the launch date. Who knows, maybe its something small?
jjcom
Perhaps a fix for the ati card problem, or MAYBE(really doubt this though, as it is very far fetched), they re arranged the SLI mobo to give more space between the pci-e x16 slots.
what ati card problem? if ur talking about clearence, it affects the nvidia cards even more so since nvidia cards are longer.(both same in height)Quote:
Originally Posted by c42
*Shrug* don't have it in hand, but only problems I have seen people reporting, video card wise was from the ATI crowd.
Ayup, still a bit close for comfort(considering r520s and such may have different dimensions?)
no video card can get any lower then that...
Yea, but if longer, perhaps the cooling could get in the way?
can you even slide a piece of paper in between that?
if tat fan ever dies its gonna be one heck of a search to find a replacement that would fit in that tiny space
if you have a 6800 in the top slot the fan is gonna suck 50c air off the mosfets and ram right into the chipset ouch
the nforce 3/4 chipest is in a really bad position. with a nv5 silencer i have a via nb hs and i had to bend some pins to allow for clearance.
i think wel will all have to go to water/ chiller/phase just to get away from the chipset
Quote:
Originally Posted by reject
Yea what I was thinking of doing down the road, but don't want to have to w/c the gpu to start off, I'll need to save a little more =\.
That's why the launch hasn't come already. It's a hardware fix for "smoother performance" and a bios update according to what DFI (incl. Vivian) told me. I recieved a email from DFI yesterday saying the shipment was delayed 1 week.Quote:
Originally Posted by flexy
Today the first DFI have been sent by DFI TW to DFI NL for Europe.
Waited on Thursday (01/27/05)
That's good news.
Sorry what is DFI NL? (I tak it TW means taiwain)Quote:
Originally Posted by cpulloverclock
So they should be ready for sale soon? What do you mean "waited on thursday"?
Sorry for not understanding!!!
TW= taiwan, yes.
NL= holland.
Waited would be awaited i guess. As in they should arrive thursday ;)
:D Oh yes - english language is a profession............ :p:
:toast:
Cheers for clearing that up!!! :)
So it could be as early as next week that we start seing these boards appear then, just need to get a bloody graphics card now.
DFI and OCZ VX, there is no substitute:D
OPP
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=23234&stc=1
WOW :slobber: Great score you got there OPP :toast:
DFI holland he WT :banana: thats where i life :banana4:
Sow i should get this board soon the said friday but i have hardfeelings about that. :D
OPP and 3d mark 2001se ORB, there is no contest.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
1st post :banana4:
I'm about 2/3 of the way through this thread and hope this hasn't been asked yet, but I'm anxious to find out if this board has a feature to automatically rollback to safe settings (or last known good settings) if you overclock too far so you can boot into the BIOS and make changes without clearing the CMOS every time.
I just got done messing with multiple MSI Neo2 Plat boards (had a few replacements) that I ordered a while ago because I got impatient waiting for this board and finally gave up on them. There's FAR too many problems with them. Each one seemed to have it's own quirks. I've never been so frustrated working with a MB before.
That MB required a CMOS clear when choosing incorrect/incompatible settings and it was a HUGE pain. Asus boards I've had in the past have a nice feature that automatically rolls back the settings on reboot if the prior boot locked up.
Please tell me this board has a similar feature, especially with all the settings present in the BIOS. I've never worked with a DFI board before so I'm not familiar with how their boards normally work.
There is a jumper on the board that is supose to do that, it won't clear Cmos, it will leave your settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tempest25
Also, you can store your Bios settings in the bios. If you happen to clear cmos you can always load your saved bios settings.
Welcome to Xtreme :toast:
OPP
yes it´s often hard to understand what some people meanQuote:
Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
i´ll hope to receive this board at the end of the week :toast:
but i only believe it when my hands touch the board :cool:
Thanks! While that's not exactly what I was hoping for, it's still much better than the hell MSI puts you through.
:toast:
Grats on the great scores BTW. I'm tempted to return the Patriot 3200 XBL stuff I just received and go OCZ VX instead. I'm not sure if the minor performance difference I may gain is worth the $45 difference though (including shipping to return and on the new order - I know someone would have corrected me to $30 if I hadn't explained ;) )
Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
:D Ordered a LEADTEK 6600 GT EXTREME which is not such a large card so I hope there won't be any problem with the SATA HDD's.
But want to get the chipset under water like I did with my NEO2, what about the SLI slot and the card - will it fit or not?
I mean there are the tubes from and to the cooler and I'm not sure where exactly the card is placed.
Is there anybody with a watercooled chipset on that board ???
THX !!! :toast:
sorry to bring this out, here, but opp are you getting a bullhead mobo, couse you are the only one that really take mobos to their limit, i really need to know the real diferences in performance between both mobos.
great score by the way.
just received the email from HPM-Computer , they said :
So , everyone in Europa , ready for start your enginee :toast: :banana4: :banana:Quote:
Dear customer,
DFI has just announced the official release date for the brandnew
nF4-boards. We expect the boards to arrive on the following days:
DFI nF4 Ultra-D: 01/27/05, 01/28/05
DFI nF4 SLI-D: 02/03/05
DFI nF4 SLI-DR: 02/03/05
HPM-Computer is one of only 3 companies in europe who is able to deliver
these boards that early.
Please remember Bullhead is a tweaked OEM board and doesn't have the overclocking features built in, the bios has been tweaked to overclock but it does have its limits.Quote:
Originally Posted by metro_oc.cl
you will see more ATI performance soon with a new rev of the board.
Feels great to have one already, it's gonna be a real hunt for these little babies :D
w00t, I'm getting the same combo :banana: (well, except for dual cascade and an FX55 :p: )Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
It's really great to hear that OCZ VX takes full advantage of the enormous DFI Vdimm options, and the board just keeps screaming by with it!
thanks m8 hope soQuote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Any idea what the other companies are??Quote:
Originally Posted by xs64
Probably not OCuK, but hey, we may be lucky :)
Lets hope so! Strange when ppl recognise you from around different forums :)Quote:
Originally Posted by del_fuego
Hello :)
Can you help me ? :)
I must have dimension and weight of box of :
DFI nF4 Ultra-D :
DFI nF4 SLI-D :
DFI nF4 SLI-DR :
It's urgent, thanks you very mush !
tomorrow i´ll get my sli-d
the sli-dr will be available on 3rd february 2005
and the ultra will also be available on 3rd february 2005
the difference between the sli-d and sli-dr are the 8 s-ata connectors instead of 4 s-ata connectors.
the sli-dr can do raid5 and has more accessories (pc transpo, sleeving-kit and the diagnostic led)
i dont´t need this stuff, so i changed my order from sli-dr to sli-d 20 minutes ago
But, erm, the official release date for both of the SLI boards isn't till the 3rd of feb, only the Ultra board is released tomorrow. So, I assume you are ordering your board from a retail outlet as you mention changing your order, your won't get you board until the 3rd of feb at earliest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrickclouds
Look back at the post with the offical release date on it.
i got an email this evening:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brum Man
:banana: :banana: :banana:Quote:
Dear customer,
DFI has just changed the release dates.
DFI nF4 Ultra-D: 02/03/2005
DFI nF4 SLI-D: 01/27/2005
DFI nF4 SLI-DR: 02/03/2005
The SLI-D boards will arrive tomorrow (01/27/2005)
Where did you pre-ordered it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrickclouds
overclockers.co.uk have an issue with orders above 2Kg for the EU...
Can we expect the same overclocking capacity between SLI-D and SLI-DR?
Well.... when someone has them to try :)
thanks
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...&threadid=4688Quote:
Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...7231#post47231
trying to find out exactly the same thing
aint lookin to good on 1st sight... :(
i pre-ordered from hpm-computer in germany
Did anyone say DUAL GPU watercool in SLI mode?
http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/gwsli1.jpg
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20808
wow. :slobber:
not all boards will fit that waterblock tho..
:D Hm, seems to be a little complicated - I use the same watercooler from 1A cooling and in fact there are only 2 questions:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mastakilla
1) Will a single 6600 GT fit in the upper slot when waterblock is mounted ?
2) If not, can I use the lower slot 16x with a single card without losing performance ?
Here is a picture of my setup with the NEO2, the old FX5200 AGP and waterblock mounted:
http://de.geocities.com/hardcoreclocker/A64Sys005.jpg
Isn't there anybody in the staates who got his chipset under water ???
Come on guys - there must be someone to help us...............
:toast:
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrickclouds
I pre-ordered a DFI LANparty nF4 SLI-DR too from this site...
Don't understand German, but I get there ;)
Hope it will be shipped 3th February.
heheQuote:
Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
funny u have same WC that i wanted to buy :)
u like it?
prolly gonna get one with dual rad, eheim 1048 and blocks for cpu, gpu and nb (if possible offcourse :()
hope u buy ur dfi nf4u soon then... cause id like to know if it fits ;)
been askin some more stuff about it in that 2th link btw
:D Here You can see the rest of it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mastakilla
http://de.geocities.com/hardcoreclocker/A64Sys001.jpg
A very nice cooling system for chipset and even for CPU with the HV-3 cooler - before I came to single phase I managed to cool down a 2600+ mobile at 2,7 GHz and 1,96 Vcore to 26°C on normal water !!!
The DFI NF4 ULTRA is already ordered - will arrive tomorrow in Europe NL so I guess will get it soon.
:toast:
very nice man
cant see the pics though...
lookin forward to ur experiences with it ;)
:D Yep - stay tuned. Pics won't work sometimes, to much access on my HP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mastakilla
Crazy guys have limitted the access and denies it when it gets to much....,
a little later it will work again.
I really do see hard times coming - either cutting a hole in my GPU or move the chipset to another place on the board....... :ROTF:
:toast:
well...
just got the answer...
and it aint good :(
we can only use the "better placed" slot as a pci 2x slot
even when having an sli version its not possible to use a single VC only in the "better placed" slot at 8x, u need two VCs for 8x + 8x, otherwhise its also 2x 16x
hope somehow it does fit using that "evil slot".. but im fearing the worst
guess its allmost time then for a dfi nf4 nb blocks compability list :D
nice pic btw:
mine is goin inside though, on the bottom (stacker case)
:confused: Hm, so what to do? Leave the chipset on air is no problem, OPB clocked this board like hell and his chipset is also still on air but I can't get familliar with the tought to sell my WC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mastakilla
I think it's not just the cooler itself but the tubes and most of all the adaptors and screw fittings which need to much space.
Even if finding another way for the tubes You can not get a hard angle for it right in front of the cooler - otherwise they will be damaged.
Indeed I can not see a solution............
:toast:
Hmm, about the chipset cooling, how about a system similar to the one used in Shuttle SFF´s...
A small and flat heatsink on top of the heat generator (CPU, NB etc.) with built-in heatpipes for carrying the heat away to a large and possibly actively cooled heatsink? The other end could also be a watercooling block. :)
The only problems I see with this approach is the way of fixing the end of this gizmo to the MB so that it wouldn´t rip it apart or crush the chipset. Torque becomes a major factor as the lenght of the heatpipe increases... Then again it could be mounted so that the other end is supported by a structure that is affixed to the motherboard via it´s mounting screws...
Opinions? Does this sound absurd?
i wonder if danger den will be coming out with a waterblock to fit this...
I could envision a less-deep maze4gpu-version of a chipset block working fine... with the inlet and outlet on the side of the waterblock.
Well, found this out at dfi-street:
CPU Killer said:
You are right, I am working on a block for this mobo, but it doesn't mean that I will release it. It will be very challanging to get a block to work in the location it is in. With 2 Vid Cards right above it, may prove to be more work than it is worth.... But I am working on it....
So if it ever comes out it will most certainly take some time...
:banana: :banana: i got it now :banana: :banana:
:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/dfi/dfi1.jpg
http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/dfi/dfi2.jpg
http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/dfi/dfi3.jpg
http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/dfi/dfi4.jpg
http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/dfi/dfi5.jpg
http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/dfi/dfi6.jpg
http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/dfi/dfi7.jpg
http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/dfi/dfi8.jpg
http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/dfi/dfi9.jpg
http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/dfi/dfi10.jpg
http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/dfi/gskill.jpg
@ patrickclouds.....Does your mobo package inslude a SLI connector???
hook that bad boy up and lets see some results. :)
congrats, you're one of the first people in the consumer public to get this board. woot!
I think that is what is in the orange bubble wrap.Quote:
Originally Posted by kraggy
Rainfire is right, thats a connector in the bubble wrap.
Nice looking board:)
OPP
nice pics ... wish i had that board :D
what's with the plastic cpu back plate?
The SLI bridge connector is in the pink bubblewrap.
Im so jealous.
I wish someone would slap 2 36/74G Raptors on raid0 to tell us how fast the new NV raid controller is.
Hopefully better than the SIl 3114. Especially in terms of writes.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=51501Quote:
Originally Posted by uwackme
uwackme , I can tell you the NF4 Raid/SATA 2 controller is damn fast. I currently have a gigabyte sli setup (Dual Rapors 36GB Raid 0) and it blew away my previous setups. The bandwidth increase was extreme. Sequential reads went up (for me) 10-15 mb/sec in my hdtest program. My Atto disk bench went up in reads and writes about 10 mb/s average also. I would assume the DFI would do similar as it is the same chipset.
D
the chipset cooler is a bit wobbly, but silent
my new gskill 2x512 LA (431) can do 300mhz at 2,5-3-3-6-10 1T
i haven´t tried to push it higher
my cpu (3200+ week33) is so sweat, but weak :(
i can´t boot at 2700mhz (270x10 and 300x9 is not possible)
so i only did some benches at 260x10, but there will be a little more power on cpu and ram than i´ve tested.
http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/dfi/2600@32pi.jpg
http://patrickclouds.cybton.com/dfi/sandra.jpg
don´t forget, this is not the max power and i´m still a a64 nooby :D
but theese are the only screenshots i´ve made
i only tested with the boxed cooler, because i was too lazzy to install my watercool setup this evening
:D Well done- first impressions of OC - und natürlich aus D !!! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrickclouds
i was very sad about the bad cpu, but you cannot have everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
if i have enough time tomorrow i´ll go on testing
from the dfi-forum:
Angry_Games:Quote:
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I just found 2 shops in Germany that have the DFI Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-D (NOT SLI-DR !!) already in stock !!!!
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:slobber:Quote:
no you didnt. We have not released the boards at all. No one has them and if they do, they need to be recalled ASAP.
:confused: A recall of the boards that just been released?
What in hell does that mean? Is Angrygames drunken.......... :dammit:
if you read the entire thread, you can see that there was a last minute change to the board and its shipping BIOS, i believe.
What Angry_Games is saying is that if indeed the shops have the boards, they are not the changed ones, hence, they should not be sold as official release boards.
He stated the shipping dates of the official release boards somewhere in that thread.
JazzMang Out.
this is going to be interesting - unreleased boards in retail? Wonder what the real deal is...
I dont think Angry_Games works for DFI... I might be wrong, he certainly knows his stuff. But it's obvious in some parts of the world, this motherboard is out and for sale. So... someone is getting some bad info somewhere, might be the retailers, might be Angry_Games himself. Who knows.
All I know is if I saw one on the street right now, I'd buy it and not worry about whatever the small change was they made.
a_g does work for dfi afaik but since he's human, he can make mistakes. if he were cylon, it might be different...
EDIT: yes i meant dfi, not msi
You mean DFIQuote:
Originally Posted by jikdoc
In case anyone is interested....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=6739702659
D
AG works for dfi..at least thats what his webpage says.
yes,
Angry works for DFI. He is a mod and is a very frequent helper over at DFI-Street's forums.
Over at DFI-Street, they are talking about the mobos on ebay as well... many people think that the boards that we are seeing for sale today are the pre-release version of the boards which lack the last-moment modification described by Vivian, who works for DFI (see DFI-Street's NF4-SLI thread).
I wouldn't buy those pre-release boards for that much! I'd rather wait for the real deal myself.
JazzMang Out.
can u describe what u mean with "wobbly"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrickclouds
dont really understand
if you push with your finger on the cooler, below the fan, then the whole cooler moves at this place down to the board and the opposite site moves upQuote:
Originally Posted by Mastakilla
v (finger)
_________________ (cooler)
-------------------------- (board)
now this happens wehen you touch the cooler at this place
it moves up at the other side
________---------- (cooler)
-------------------------- (board)
i think that the feathers aren´t strong enough to reach enough pressure
Guys i can answer a few questions here as my debugging of the board lead to the bios and the mods AG has described.
The boards are having a few components changed to improve ram overclocking and compatibility. A new bios was written to overcome an issue i found working with DFI which is the main reason AG has stated all boards released early are not final release.
I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU TO WAIT FOR OFFICIAL BOARDS they will clock ram better and they come with the latest official bios. if your board comes with 121 or earlier I strongly suggest you flash it at once to the 126 or later.
Now i don't know how these pre release boards are hitting stores, i would wait to see DFI press releases etc and know your getting a latest spec board.
Tony
Good to know Tony, thanks. I hope the board I get is an OFFICIAL with the changes.
Is there any way to check to see besides the bios revision?
Could you possibly be more descriptive on which components were changed?
I can't as i don't know all the specs on the changes, I know my board here has half the changes it needs and will be going back for the other half ;)
Guys, maybe a stupid question, but I don´t see any SLI conector with nF4Ultra bundle, I will get this board next week and I´m still thinking about doing it a full SLI board. :D
Finally good mobo and not piece of junk like the A8N SLI Deluxe, which burned me last week :mad: even without any OC´in. The layout of ASUS is the best when compared to other nF4 boards, but that "reliability" really makes me pissed off.