sorry i didnt look sauria. im getting some copper paste maybe ill redo the waterblock's and the NB heatsink with it when i put new PSU and DDR booster in. if so ill take a peek for ya.
sorry i didnt look sauria. im getting some copper paste maybe ill redo the waterblock's and the NB heatsink with it when i put new PSU and DDR booster in. if so ill take a peek for ya.
Thank you. Glad you have a winner there -- You have the Patriot XBL PC3200 TCCD 2 x 512M?
yes thats the exact ram i have. I just thought of something that may be different in my case, i took the heatspreaders of my ram modules! I suspected they werent doing ther job so i took em off and guess what maybe 25% of the chips were actually making contact. Maybe this is something to look into. Its tricky but worth it.
Hmm, interesting. What would be a minimum PSU needed for this setup?
hmm
I've got the K8NS-939 but when at 300HTT and 166 divider, ram should be at 249 but CPU-Z shows up as 233?
With 166 divider, you take the HTT speed, divided by 12 and then multiplied by 10. So you should be at 250. Maybe the K8NS has a hidden divider (143) and is setting the RAMs max integer.
What CPU multiplier are you using. I believe you may need to divide by 13.
I'm only on a 3000+ atm
My current PSU the antec 430 is working great but i want to add more drives to the system and with the 6800 in there being the power hungry beast it is i felt like a better PSU was in order so i ordered a Tagan 480. The Tagan 480 is a very refined unit that really is "480" watts and is also very quiet. This PSU does EXTremely well under stress which is what im after.
The Antec is a very solid unit but i feel like it runs out of steam when overclocking + a couple big drives. I can add another Hardrive and OC is more unstable for example.
End system will be:
Giga K8NS
2x512 Patriot
6800 (watercooled and vmodded)
3200+ @ 2.6+ (watercooled with kinda high vcore)
Audigy
1x Barracuda 160gb for storage
2x Wd Raptors in a Raid array for gaming and swap file
DDR booster
52x32x52 LiteOn burner
Ill let yah know how she does when all the extra goodies get here. Not sure this board has 300 in it but we'll see. :)
Thanks, I think you're exactly right about the Antec. I noticed this with mine on an nf7-S system loaded with stuff on a warm day last summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jethro
I have this board too, i like it a good deal, but it does have problems with high htt..
I think i have it flashed to F5, it says so when its posting, but in cpu-z it says F4.
My only querk is the low vdimm, so im grabbing a ddr booster.
early results with DDR booster 3.1v = 275x9 1:1 2.5 3 3 3 1t and thats with 4x HTT! so 1100+ HTT speed!
it keeps going and going im afraid to push it anymore! :)
Wow, with the Patriot? Can Arctic Silver 5 "glue" your CPU to a factory heatsink? I got a better cooler today and the 3200+ is stuck on the factory heatsink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jethro
It can cause suction enough to seem like its glued!
275 is pretty much max i can fool around benchin etc up to 286 or so but its not 100% stable. 275 aint so bad tho :D im not sure what is limiting me to be honest ill push it again when my new PSU gets here just in case thats the culprit!
Just for giggles i tried highest cas2 and 250 was about the max. gonna leave it at 275 for awhile to see how she does.
yeah everytime I try and take the hsf off it pulls the cpu out of the socket as well
that's with both shin etsu and as5
Hmm, thanks. How do you separate them? My CPU never ran over 31°C!
Dont pull it straight off but rather push one side on and pull one off. Tip it off if you will. Sometimes you can slide it in a manner to break the suction as well. GL!
Thanks, made me wonder if I had used my AS thermal adhesive. Any good way to avoid this? BTW -- what is the goo (not really conductive tape) that comes on an AMD 64 retail heatsink? Is the stuff on the FX-55 heatsink any better?
T.I.M thermal interface material these can be quite good actually. Ill bet for the money you spent on the fx55 its prolly better ;)
nforce 3 voodoo with RAM methinks. Tried the latest F8 BIOS?
0 problems here getting ready to do vcore mod :) anyone had any luck with higher HTT voltages?
Try one of these:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven
EPOX 9NDA3J VER:2.1
Mine is faster than my K8NS Ultra-939.
Not meQuote:
Originally Posted by Jethro
guys have just bought this board and its very unstable in dual memory mode and ok not. i know it will be my poo generic ddr400 which ive had for a while and bought in error
could anyone recommend a good set of 2x512 modules that are fast and stable , im not bothered about overclocking or bypassing, i just want stability at the moment, thanks for any help
Quote:
Originally Posted by quint
Rock stable -- good O/C potential, cheaper then GSkill.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...ductCode=83705
I agree mine take me to the limits of my mobo with ease! i run them at cas2 246 ramspeed atm.
thx chaps, im struggling to find a uk distributor though, anyone know one i can trust
alternatively , would good qual corsairs be ok ie
Corsair 1GB DDR XMS3200XL Pro TwinX (2x512MB) CAS2 (MY-050-CS)
sorry for the noob questions, appreciate the help
i believe those Corsairs to be TCCD and a fine alt choice dood =)
Which DIMM slots you guys running your TCCD (PDP Patriot) in for best stability. I can't seem to get it to run even 250MHz 2.5-3-3-10 which was a breeze for it in the 9NDA3J.
hmm mine works perfectly in slots 1 and 2. using F8 bios never had probs. now using DDR booster to run 246 cas2. Just got my new PSU in today finally so now i will push some more soon.
Maybe I'll try the F8 BIOS. I tried both 1&2 and 3&4 DIMMs and even at default the RAM errors out. I tried upping the voltages and keeping it at default value but still no go. The Epox board ran it flawlessly, but it wasn't enough voltage to push it much past 260 for benching. I am getting an MSI Neo2 P and I hope it works better for me. If it gives me issues, I think I will go back to Intel, I'm tired of all the compatibility issues with A64.
The GSkill LA goes fine at stock volts in the Epox @ 275 MHz!Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQQKY
the F8 bios was 10x better for me right away. Only prob i have with the board is i cant keep my USB mouse working after reboot sometimes. COuld be the mouse tho.
I cannot flash the F8 BIOS, the board won't let me. How do you flash this BIOS.
I tried pure DOS, the flash utility in BIOS and the @BIOS utility in Windows, none of them let me flash the board.
I could only flash the F8 BIOS from within Windows -- DOS didn't recognize it as a supported BIOS.
same thing for me had to flash in windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by sauria
I've also concluded that this board is very picky with memory. Even with 3.5v going to my bh5 chips 220fsb was max in dual channel 250 max in single channel yet some crappy infineon was able to run at 270 fsb at 3.1v in dual channel timings were not great though. I've preety much given up on this board. I'd also like to note that the memory settings that you think you run at are incorrect when using a 166 divider etc 208 fsb reading on cpu-z yet memtest says 216 fsb. however at stock speeds on memory the board is stable so I'm giving it to my son. As of this weekend i will have a fatality an8 and a x800xl so i will no longer be posting in this thread. Best you can do for this board is put some tccd in get a good 3200+ run fsb at 250 htt at x4 and memory at 200. this seems to be the most stable setting on this board.
fatality an8 -- wow. I hope it is as fast and stable as my old ABit systems!
I've had better luck with my EPOX 9NDA3J VER:2.1
Well so far compared to all the other NF4 boards its not the best overclocker however it seems to be the most stable. vdimm voltage is holding it back but i'll fix that alavoltmod. I might just maybe not buy a x800xl right away though. was thinking of taking a chance on another 3000+ and some memory just in case my bh5 isnt up to the task not sure yet but the board is a definite. I can always throw my cheap pci trident spare just so i have video for testing. Maybe ill just throw my used 3800+ in theyre i just aquired.Quote:
Originally Posted by sauria
I flashed in windows as well. New PSU isnt helping any! In fact its worse so far! i think this board really needs chipset voltage and it would scream! if i cant work out a chipset mod or figure out what the prob is ill prolly get the AGP DFI if it ever comes out.
This board may just need a better bios to!
Stable is what I want to hear -- especially from what I read about DFI problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
FYI the an8 and fatality is the same pcb btw and the fatality bios works on it. the only diff is nforce 4 ultra chip and some cooling gadgets etc. I opted for the fatality had a feeling those ramcoolers would come in handy with my bh 5 and high volts.Quote:
Originally Posted by sauria
PS yes I've given up on my gigabyteme board
Heres a kicker my buddy bought a p4 rig awhile ago and upgraded to some corsair memory. It was a premade rig so it came with infineon ddr 400 @ these timings 3-4-4-8 so i scored memory off him cheap its a gig 2x512 sticks even though knowing nforce hates cas 3 i threw it in and it booted. then i proceeded to run memtest and tighten timings with 2.8v long story short it seems that the gigabyte board likes infineon memory running it at ddr 400 of course but at 2-3-3-7 timings. passed 3 loops of memtest and has been priming for 3 hours now. All i can say is sweet that means my mushkin can go in my new fatality an8 board.
Nice find!Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Just picked this board up from newegg. I've read it works good with bh5 and bad all throughout this thread. I'll be using 2x512, so what should I expect? In my DFI 250gb I could get 265mhz 3.6v, will I at least beable to get 250mhz dc with this you think?
if you get a good board maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptobs2000
My board with volt mod 3.5v 250 somewhat stable single stick of 256 mb mushkin pc 3200 level 2. 2 sticks wouldnt go past 220. I've hit 270 fsb with my chips before.....dual channel...but not on this board.
250 1:1 cas2 operation is very doable on this board but it will require DDR volts for sure.
The more i mess with mine the more i am coming to realize its not so bad really. Its actually quite a solid board within its limits.
It may not be the uber elite xtreme board no but its not nearly as plagued as some either.
Jethro, great! How high VDIMM?
impressive - BUT, would you not agree with me that running 2.5 and thus allowing higher mhz offers better performance? i mean if your tRCD and tRP are still the same, ie... 2-3-3-6 vs 2.5-3-3-6... then perfomance difference is almost entirely negligible... ie... 255 2.5-3-3-6 would easily be quicker than 250 2-3-3-6...
not really lol, thats for a completly different thread anyways. It depends on the application/game/benchmark. But good to hear 250mhz is definatly doable. Hope I can see it. Ideal if I could get 10x265 aircooled on my winnie. Hope I don't get a crap stepping ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by groovetek
I said it before in this thread that i ran 275 1:1 cas2.5 without issue and that was the truth 250 cas2 just has more "snap" to me and thats why i continue to go back to that setting.
Maximum benchie STABLE clockspeeds for my board was 284 1:1 but since ive installed new psu and WD Raptor this is no longer the case. I think the 5v line of this Tagan is wacky but im not sure because frankly Gigabytes monitoring functions really blow chunks.
Im prolly done tweaking it anymore as im selling the board and cpu to a friend who's not much of a clocker but may push it a lil bit. Overclocking aside its a dam nice board feature and stablity wise and im quite sure he'll be pleased with the combo.
What to get to replace it is gonna be a hard choice atm. :stick:
Good info Jethro -- what's next for ya?
2 important criteria in my search are mucho vcore avail in bios or by widespread mods and it has to work with OCZ DDR booster cuz i really dig this thing :D (my tccd really like volts)
Your Patriot 1G kit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jethro
yeah the patriots like high volts. 3.3 takes them up to 155 cas2 cmd 1t memtest approved!
Im think im gonna get the Abit AV8 after all. It was my first choice back when 1.0's were out but now that its 1.1 im sold more so.
I has 1.85vcore, NB voltage adjustment and my last VIA based abit board just plain kicked ass.
Wow, that was my first choice too but reading about issues scared me off. Think it's fixed primo now? I love my Abit nforce 2 boards.
I went ahead and ordered the AV8 and an OEM 3200+ wish me luck! THe abit NF7 was a stellar board no doubt. My Kv7 was just plain awesome to so i think i can finesse the AV8 the right way.
mmm 1.85 vcore! :D
Great!
Im planning to use this board 9x300++ (166 divider) Can it handle high fsb?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eru
Maybe if you get a good one most of us had issues over 260 fsb
never made it above 290 stable. Its a much better clocker than my abit AV8 is so far. Good luck with it!
I did 284 1:1 with GSkill LA but my Epox is better.
I keep hearing bad things about this mobo, what're the chances of me getting 11x270-290 with bh5 (using a divier if higher than 265). Would like to get 3000mhz+ is that gonna be hard with this mobo?
Mine doesn't like BH-5, TCCD OK.
270-290 with BH-5 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptobs2000
That will be tough on almost any board...
Even 265 is pretty high.
My K8NS did like 225- 230 I think ( 2x256 XMS3500)1:1,DC, 5-2-2-2 @ 2.85v or whatever the max was on that board.
Better get ready to RAM some high voltage down those sticks...
And pray into the cooling fan.
My ram is good to 265mhz with 3.6v, if I go to 270-290mhz I'd be using a divider. I'm not questioning whether the ram can do it. And the processor should beable to handle it too (3500+ sledgeclaw). So it's up to the board. I'll be giving them up to 3.6v for 24/7 use, the ram will take it fine, no worries there, just wondering if the board can.
edit: same ram in my sig right now, don't know how the ram will do dual channel, but if the ram isn't a factor, can the board take it?
Dunno bro, never tried to ram that much voltage with that board.
DC will be more difficult though.
GL with it.
m
The ultra version might if you get a later A2 chipset -- I doubt the earlier version will.
Well hope I do then :( I'll do cap mods or w/e I'll need that would help. Any ideas?
edit: btw, sent it to newegg to be rma'd last week, so I should get a replacement by thisweekend I hope. I'll let you guys know, not sure if it'll be new, or a crappy newegg previously refurbed board :(
Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptobs2000
I crammed 3.5v to my bh5 best i could get was 250 fsb with 1 stick 225 fsb dual channel.
Was it ur bh5 or the board tho? I know my bh5 can do 265mhz+ single channel no problemQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Hi friends :)
I'm italian and sorry for my bad english :rolleyes:
I have a Gigabyte K8NS-939 and the ultimate bios is only F2....
i have overclocked my system and I arrived at 290x9 with ram at 166 at 1T
with Pi i have a 33 sec but the prime don't finish :( it is the ram....:(
I have setting the ram at 133 but the system dont boot...Why?
Thanks a lot :)
Well newegg didn't have a replacement mobo, so they just refunded me. Now I'm gonna get an msi neo2 :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptobs2000
DFI UT 250gb same mushkin pc3200 black level II ddr500 at 3.3 volts prime super pi and memtest stable at 2-2-2-6 with 2 sticks mind you and socket 754 doesnt clock as good with 2 sticks as it does with a single 512mb thats at 1 t and i pushed it furrther up to 3.5v and hit 270 maxxing out at 276 at 3.6 volts after that my psu cuts out due to overvolt protection.
I was wondering to do vcore mod to my GB K8NSU. If someone has done it, how does it work. Can you boot example with 1.8vcore?
And what is best bios for BH5 sticks?
Quote:
Originally Posted by FriGidi
No bios they have liked my bh-5 chips..................
Hmm, F7 bios works nice with my 2*256 KHX3500..Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
http://i148.exs.cx/img148/4200/27034mhz9aj.jpg
Found out another "bug" with the K8NS Ultra. I have been using this MOBO in my surfing/gaming rig for 3-4 months, and the other day I swapped it for a Neo2.
With the GB my max OC (gpu) on x800xt pe was 580 .. 570 for 24/7
With the Neo2 im at 615 rock stable. Running 600/600 for 24/7.
Not only does the x800 perform better clock for clock on the MSI, it overclocks a lot better to.
The K8NS s754 i had killed my best clawhammer (2.85Ghz) and a replacement Newcastle. And now this x800 issue. One thing is for sure. NO more Gigabyte for me. EVER.
Would any of you having experiences with this board once again choose this if the alternative was a K8N Neo2?
Im thinking about changing just for the fun of it...
Would it be fun?
Never.Quote:
Originally Posted by stryg
I swapped my K8NS Ultra for a MSI, and its soooooo much better.
Can I do the 3.3v vdimm mod from back of mobo on this k8ns ultra 939 like I did on my k8ns pro 754?
Here is the link of the mod:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...k8ns+back+mobo
Here is the Tweaks/Tips thread on the Ultra BM
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47401
The answer is yes according to that thread.
What is the correct Vdimm mod for the GA-K8NSC-939??
Hello all,
I have recently tried the cap mod for the Vdimm. It worked.. well not exactly as I expected. The 3.3V line was lowered as a result, but now, I could get the OCZ PC3200 Gold Edition (BH5) running at 230 (up from 209 with 2.7V)! Not quite 250, but anandtech needed like 3.4V to there, and although the voltage at the cap mod is 3.24V, I'm sure the memory is receiving quite a bit less (where do you measure?)
However, I noticed that the 5V, -5V, -12V voltages are way off in Sandra and fluctuate up and down continuously (-12V: -0.23 to -8.7). When I originally got the Venice 3000+ and K8NSC939 combo, I was happy that I was able to get up to 2.7Ghz, however, I can no longer do that. I'm quite sure I am using the same BIOS setting except perhaps that I am now using Radeon8500 instead of 6600GT/6800 and that I have 1GB of RAM instead of 512MB. At 9x, the system used to freeze at around 303fsb (3x and HTT +0.2), but now it happens at 294fsb (2464Mhz). Sure could be HTT problem, but I re-checked my max HTT (at 3xHTT and 6x CPU multi) and its still 315. So what is going on? Ambient temp too high.. I ran air conditioner overnight and by morning was sub 15C, and rechecked and same results... according to Sandra and BIOS CPU barely gets close to 50C (45-47). And, I tried another power supply with same results. (I did all this first with cap mod and then without) What happened?
Also, can I flash other K8NS BIOS onto this board.. anybody else tried? I am using F2 bios now.
Thanks all.
Forgot to mention a fee details:
1. Measured the 5V and 12V at ATX, and they are 5.02V (steady), and 12.01-12.02V (minor fluctuation).
2. Playing BF2 screen sometimes momentarily turns off and I hear whining sound as computer struggles to live. Usually it freezes the computr. Had it happen several times when I turn the computer on. (all this running measily 2.1Ghz and RAdeon8500)
3. Ran Prime95 for about an hour at 290+ fsb with no probs. windows memtest at 229, for hours.
4. Lower overclock regardless of Top Performance setting in BIOS. 2.7Ghz achieved before with 1.7V in bios, which was aobut 1.66 according to CPU-Z.
5. Also, tried reseating the board in the case, and moved power cables away from the board for fear of interference... perhaps its the wireless causing it?
Potential new Athlon64 consumer: dont be discouraged.. for the price combo this board rox. I mean, who am I to complain for getting only 800Mhz more than I bought. Its not like I really need to get 30s SuperPi1M -_-
BIOS updates for K8NSNXP-939 and K8NS Ultra-939
Date:2005/7/22
Description:Update CPU code
Support Dual Core CPU's
K8NSNXP-939 BIOS F11
K8NS Ultra-939 BIOS F8
Cap mod = bad.
In short: windows memtest errors within 5%. Regardless of PSU 3.3V level... and down to 150Mhz! So what if my BH5 works OK up to nearly 240Mhz with the mod if it craps out in memtest (prime95 was ok though)... took off mod and settle for dinky ~210Mhjz... -_-
Just to toss this in,
My K8NS ultra 939 games at 282x10@1.6v, 166 mem divider with my twinx pc3200 2.5 3 3 8 (+3200 venice)
Slowly pushing it higher....havent figured out the trick to getting the HTT up nice and high and being able to drop the cpu mult....so far my fastest benchies have been by shoving the overall mhz to the ceiling.
F6 bios
anyone else's board start squeeling when placed under heavy loads? Can't figure out what that noise is....
Inductors maybe...
maybe its even those power MOSFETs...
perhaps its just you squeeling at the delight of such high HTT speed!
Highest HTT on my board is in the 310-315 area... can't recall exactly what it was, but my CPU can't do anywhere near 2.7Ghz so no point. Perhaps if I replaced those dinky capacitors with big proper ones.. or just rewired the power delivery circuitry altogether.. you know, beefen it up a bit. I so envy 2.8Ghz.
can any one here tell me what this area controls
pics are in my previous post
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/show...&page=98&pp=25
I cannot for the life of me get my HTT over 280ish stable. 282 almost works well enough for me, but not quiet.
I've read this thread like 100 times, lol, can anyone offer some personal experiance with the k8ns ultra 939 and getting 300+ HTT? What bios did you use, what steps did you take to get there.
Also, I do all my overclocking from the bios, are people really having more success using clockgen/ntune to o/c this board? And I go that route, I assume I need to just leave most of the ram/cpu settings at factory in the bios?
3ghz or 300htt ! rawr! I want one or the other!
I am having the same problem here Deimos. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
I have a Giga K8NSC-939 with the same problem. +5, -5 e -12 are flutuating up and down. Did you find the cause or a solution for this problem??? I am having problems with games too.
See AaronATX, there is this thing called "a limit". You can't raise the CPU speed indefinetly. Doesn't matter what kind of cooling you have. And judging from your sig you are using 10x cpu multi, so already at 2800Mhz which is pretty high. If you want to see if your board can do higher HTT you would have to lower the multiplier (ex 9). Then you would be at 2520Mhz CPU speed... and have a bit of room for higher HTT. You should also be using a much lower memory divider (ex 133) to rule out memory limitation problems.
Rosted: I dont think the hardware monitoring chip on the board is connected to +5, -5, -12. The fluctuations just look like noise. Likewise for battery voltage.
What specific problems is games (details!!)?
Latest K8NS Ultra bios has 2.85V option? Is it F8? And would somebody well versed in assembly be able to modify K8NSC-939 BIOS to also include 2.85V option. Even if I was crazy to try, can't just flash Ultra bios onto k8nsc because 512kb vs 256kb!!
lol, yes I am aware of this. I spent all weekend benching and trying different configs, timings, and voltages only to find out I had it as fast as it will go on 1.6 volts.
I was doubting my overclock because all of the "OMG HTT RULEZ" I keep reading. My setup is faster @ 275-280htt than 315-320 with a lower cpu multi.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
Quote:
Originally Posted by ***Deimos***
Nope, F8 still only offers +.2 vdimm
Is there any BIOS for any K8NS XXX -939 mobo that has +0.3V for Vdimm??
Hi Deimos, I was jus using Rosted's account until I got one ( he is a friend )
First I will put here all my system.
Mobo GA-K8NSC 939
A64 3000+ Winchester ( with Zalman Cooler )
2 x 512 COrsair value 400 Mhz
EVGA 6800 128 MB ( with Zalman cooler )
Audigy 2 ZS
SATA 80 GB Seagate
PSU Thermaltake 480 watts
Well, the problem is, when I am playing games ( any game ), the computer just freezes with 10 minutes or less and a noise start coming from the speakers. Crtl+ ALt + Del doesn't work, so I have to press the reset button.
But, the most weird thing is, when I am doing OC the system just runs fine, no freezes. I don't know what to do anymore. Here is the config under OC.
FSB: 245
HT: 4x
Memory: 200 ( 2.5-3-3-8)
Vcore: 1,425
Obs: The drivers are the last WHQL certified for all hardware.
Please, any suggestion will be nice. Thanks...
James Cash:
Well James, it sound pretty serious.
1. Turn down HTT to 3x, 4x at 245 is close to borderline for problems.
2. What is your memory divider. If you want to use 245, set it to 150 or 133.
3. Try disabling Fast Writes in the BIOS
4. Does the cable with connector (molex) to plug into 6800 have any connections to anything else. The cable usually has 3-4 connectors.. and none of them should be used, except for the single one pluged into the card.
5. It quite possible you have poor contact with heatsink for the gpu. Its really difficult to judge just by the temps. If you notice all the games going haywire after a bit of suttering and freezing, then its likely heat.
6. Which driver are you using?
What are you using to test overclock stability? Prime95 torture for 1-2hrs is good start. SuperPi 32M is ok. Windows Memtest is essential. For 3d rthdribl and 3dmark05.
Sorta sounds like the agp/pci lock isnt functioning correctly. Try setting the bios to 201/67 and use clockgen to overclock.
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Cash