Haven't found many thoughts on the Gene from this series, mostly just Hero and Impact (which I understand since new to the series). Do you think performance and BIOS options are on par for Gene with Hero? Same board just less features and size?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldonko
Pretty close, few minor differences. Off the top of my head, I know Gene has mPCIe, Hero does not. You have to get the Extreme to get the mem profiles and such.
Quote:
Originally Posted by filmbot
just did this Boot straight from BIOS
i was tweaking the wrong way now it boots awesome !!!
http://valid.canardpc.com/2894199
http://i.imgur.com/AxqEEJ4.png
Cheers !
Sergio
For the guys that managed CFR at 3000C12...what tricks, if any, did you use? I'm trying 125 strap but the board just gets into a reboot loop, no go with 102.3BCLK either. The sticks have it in em; I managed to run all 4 of my Trident X 2666C11 sticks at 3000C12 on a different board.
It just happens my friend i can do 3250CL13 with my Gskill TX 2800CL11 CFR no tricks, today i received high binned TeamX MFR 2800CL12 and wont do as close as the TeamX 2666CL11 MFR, its very weirdQuote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
what you should try is
1) initial BCLK lower than the BLCK you are using for ex if you using 125 bclk put initial bclk (tweak paradise) on 124.5 for ex
2) enable all bits on mem timmings
3) enable fast boot
4) use latency compensator
i spent 2 days tweaking and i finally booted 3350Mhz with the 2666 mem, thing that i cannot do with the higher binned :(
here my video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEvSPWkEc4M
Cheers !!!
Sergio
It's weird, I have little to no issues booting double-sided MFR at 3000, just CFR. I'll try your suggestions.
CFR is double MFR is single or exists MFR double also ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
Double-sided MFR. 8GB sticks.
It's weird, it doesn't hang on a code like 55 or anything like that, it goes through several codes and reboots on 03, and keeps cycling until I hard power down. Even with one stick of CFR, and setting the timings loose like 13-15-15-45, makes no difference.
i just made this :)
straight from BIOS 2666 TeamX MFR@ 3400CL13
http://valid.canardpc.com/2894686
http://i.imgur.com/W8TDwNT.png
http://i.imgur.com/HY4JKes.jpg
Boot straigth from BIOS G.Skill 2800CL11-13-13@ 3250CL13 CFR
http://i.imgur.com/eJ1J9zp.png
http://i.imgur.com/oLeRbBX.jpg
Im using nothing special just what mobo provides and YES i had those horrible bootloops but can be avoided tuning
runing BIOS 0038
1) initial BCLK lower than the BLCK you are using for ex if you using 125 bclk put initial bclk (tweak paradise) on 124.5 for ex
2) enable all bits on mem timmings
3) enable fast boot
4) use latency compensator
5) use the OC profiles on first page and put the mem at the speed you want
This was my method
Cheers to all !!!
Sergio
Strong work Sergio, you are doing great !!!
Keep moving!
Cheers!
Thanks buddy !!! would love to help all with problems but i have same mem, same board as them but seems to be something different i aint doing magic :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by nacho_arroyo
It doesn't make sense to me either, especially since I know my CPU and RAM are up to it. And I've seen on a Taiwanese forum where a user managed to run 4x4GB double-sided CFR sticks at 3000 on about every divider possible HCI Memtest stable, so I know the board can do this stuff. I'm at a total loss.
I got it to boot once on 102.3BCLK at DDR3-3000 but couldn't get it 32M stable. After restarting I could never get it back. I still haven't gotten 125BCLK with the 24x divider to boot once (all with CFR). MFR boots fine. There seems to be some kind of compatibility issue with CFR going higher than 2800.
check here shiranuQuote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...65V-MFR-on-M6E
theres a crazy bug i found already reported to Peter, happened the same on a boot at 3000 its the hard nr...after 2933...i did boot i started SPI32 passed...then couldnt boot anymore, so what i did was take out the 2 sticks swap them but put only one first...passed SPI32 then i put the other and passed again, so i saved the OC profile and now boots as a charm...See in some point something werid happens that BIOS stays with some wrong settings and ONLY the change of sticks solve it.
at least this works for me on CFR or MFR
I just wonder what the M6E is doing with the RAM training that the Gigabyte OC isn't, or vice versa. I had similar issues with Asrock OC Formula. Things just boot on the Gigabyte, though they might be really loose. I think all the additional settings on the Asus and Asrock boards are overcomplicating things.
I fired up my m6e 2 days ago and moved over a 4 disk raid 0 array from a ASRock extreme9 I had been testing and while the drives worked fine on the ASRock I have had one dropped drive after another since the move. Ran in new firmware,cleared drives and redid the array but as soon as I move anything big onto it, one of the drives fails,can't be recovered and I sstart over. Has happened 4 times now, anyone having problems with these drive on Asus z87 boards? I know there is suppose to be a problem with sandforce drives but I had no problem on the ASRock for several weeks of testing, any help
SF1200 drives have issues with Z87. As do some generic SATA cables.
Is there a patch for this problem? I wasn't having any issues on a couple other brand boards, yes it could just be a fluke that it is giving me a problem now but seems like there could be a bios difference, thanks for your super fast response
There is no patch for the Z87 SSD issue. The drives are outside spec on start up and Intel is not supporting them.
I'm beginning to think the RTLs are the issue on the M6E, is there a way to force the board to set them as loose as possible?
Thres no issue with rtls. We just need to find sweet spot for each settings of particular ram
What determines the sweet spot then, if I have already confirmed my sticks can do, say, 4x4GB DDR3-3000 C12 1.8v Super Pi 32M on a different Z87 platform? I'm stubborn, I want to get this to work, the IMC and the memory is up to it, and I'm sure the Asus can do it with better performance than the Gigabyte. I'm just trying to figure out how.
Try this settings for 2815~3050 CL12, CR1T
Lat. comp enabled
Dram swizzling bit 2 disabled
Dram init. value 59
Dram rtl chan. A = 55/55/55/55
Dram rtl chan. B = 56/56/56/56
Dram I/O chan. A = 9/9/9/9
Dram I/O chan. B = 8/8/8/8
Oddly enough, those are the exact auto-set RTL and IO-L values I'm getting with my 4x8GB MFR kit at least. Does CR1 improve stability on this board vs CR2? I saw that mentioned in one of the guides but it seems to defy the conventional logic that setting the command rate looser would increase stability when overclocking. I've also read advice to disable Swizzling Bit 2, I wish I knew exactly what that is doing.
The reboot loops are the most annoying thing, you don't even get a solid LED code that you can use to start your troubleshooting process.
After taking out 2 DIMMs, switching to the black slots, much fiddling with BCLK lower than 125 but on the same strap, finding one that boots, and using initial BCLK settings, I finally managed to get the thing to POST and boot Windows with the TridentX at 3000C12, but it fails 32M instantly. And the RTL settings look wonky to me.
http://i.imgur.com/rA0doJM.jpg
Well, since I got this far, I figured I'd try my luck sticking the other two DIMMs back in. To my surprise, it booted into Windows. I had enabled Additional Training so I'm not sure if that played into this or not. First attempt at 32M failed, so I upped VDIMM from 1.75v to 1.85v and re-ran...and it passed. This seriously took me the whole evening. I had best disable Swizzling Bit 2, key in these RTLs manually and save a profile because I don't want to go through all that again.
http://i.imgur.com/9I2nkT1.jpg
well its a start shiranu there?s a lot of settings to try now all the ones i told you and what Dumo added...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
check owi stable setting on his TX 2800@ 3000 to compare
read this my friend
http://i.imgur.com/hnMDfWE.png
Unfortunately, trying to manually enter the RTL values displayed and saving didn't work and now I can't boot back at the same OC :mad:
do thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
take ou both sticks and swap them and only put one...try to boot again if it boots put the other
Why does that work?! Man this board is quirky!
jajajaj it worked ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
Yeah but now I can only get it to boot at 3000 with 2 DIMMs and not all 4 :(Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
^It is best to test each slot with each module and find the slot that said module goes highest in, it's just Haswell being Haswell:p:
yes i found this and already reported it to ASUS seems BIOS got stuck till you take out modules and swap themQuote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
and yes better use 2x4GB inmo
i think in this case is BIOS George...happened to me and look same to shiranu and so others, the trick i told him works as a charmQuote:
Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3
shiranu i did this for you
GSkill TridentX 2800CL11-13-13-35 2T Hynix CFR@ 3000CL11-14-13-35 2T 1,825 (just used the same profile of the TeamX didnt change anything yet)
http://i.imgur.com/GOgzDL2.png
and now i took pictures for you
http://i.imgur.com/OsBVIHD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dMqNXuU.png
http://i.imgur.com/tneyrVy.png
http://i.imgur.com/4vTLMb7.png
http://i.imgur.com/nRKvov6.png
http://i.imgur.com/qQl4gj4.png
http://i.imgur.com/eQtyMyN.png
http://i.imgur.com/S5iuXfi.png
tRFC 500 good grief that's loose...
No go I'm afraid with your settings. Reboot loop as usual.
CFR CL9 tights probly max on air. 2.02V
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7951/siy5.png
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9526/78wz.png
Why are you guys wasting so much time to stabilise 3000Mhz ram clocks with amasing crap performance ?
tRDRD and tWRWR at 6-7 is such a waste :shakes:
Why climb a mountain? Because it's there.
Well let me know if they fix this board within the next 20 days or so within my store return window, I'm going back to my "it just works" OC Force.
^^Imo, the board is ok. at least with my memory clocking. CFR (in general) is a bit difficult.
If other board works then probably you should stay with it.
Do you have any useful suggestion to make 3000 faster?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
i told you i just used MFR profile of my teamX didnt tweak i did all this to help youQuote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
Cauz we like to do it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I appreciate the help, but right now I'm frustrated and this is more work than it's worth. I don't know why it's working for you and not for me but at the moment I'm in no mood to figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
bit tighter 1.8volts will lower more
http://i.imgur.com/bg8ew6V.png
Good work Sergio! Keep pushing !!
Thanks nacho m6e goes very good with CFR i booted 3000CL11-13-13-35 1T but after entering OS rebooted have to tweak moreQuote:
Originally Posted by nacho_arroyo
Cheers !
Sergio
Nope, technology isn't there, subs need to be too loose to be anywhere near efficient... hence why it's like pimping an engine to 1000HP, then put monster truck tires on the car and it hardly accelerates coz the transmission and gearing weren't adjusted...Quote:
Originally Posted by owikh84
With Haswell and most other recent Intel platforms, super high ram clocks are too inefficient and are pure for bragging rights and E-peen. To some very valuable to achieve, but absolute not worthwhile for 24/7 use, nor benching action at all (besides suicide ram clocks). 2400-2600 is the sweetspot for most setups, tight tighter tightest subs usually do the trick... you know your hardware too Owik84 :up:
but that's just my 5 cents...
Try more volts Sergio and 11-14-14-35, did 3100ish 32M stable here on the Formula board... lousy subs as everybody :p
Leeghoofd is really a wise guy :D
If that's the case, why bother with anything other than quad-channel DDR3-1600 on X79 :rolleyes: Everything isn't about efficiency...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
As long as it scales in performance, I will run it. take note that you can't compare different platforms... though Ivy and haswell need to be properly dialed in for maximum performancewhen running higher ram clocks... Now everything in my world turns around efficiency :p
I did test the dividers on SB-E and Ivy-E and it scales with increased ram frequency. Now SB-E is a wuss and some CPUs don't even do 2400... IVY-E is something else :D
plz run 2600 10-12-12-24 1T tRDRD 5 and tWRWR at 4 versus 2933C11-13-13-35 2T on your Haswell rig... you will be amased how performance goes down in certain tests if you can't tighten up the sec and tertiary subs man...
Some extract of my Haswell article:
Take note that the 2933MHz run was highly tweaked in the bios, adjusting all the secondary and tertiary timings manually to maximise the performance. With the bios auto adjusting all the settings, the performance was far worse and even slower then the 2400C10 results.
Read more: http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/ar...#ixzz2dBIsOAOm
I guess I should run quad 2666C10 since my 3820 is capable and the RIVE is actually a great board and easy to work with.
yes i can do that also but im seeking 24/7Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
i maxed my teamX at 3400CL13
just testing and posting :)
Can do close to 3k (2996) with 4 sticks on Hero but for me the sweet spot for performance is 2600-2800 with tight secondaries.
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...RO/OC/Loc3.png
I with Avexir 2800 CL12 (4x4Gb Hynix CFR) i cant even 2933 with M6E.
with 1.74V
the TRAS can get a 17/18 slightly increasing the voltage.
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6237/0ekj.jpg
It's really hard to clock CFR higher than 2800 on this board. MFR is much easier, even double-sided 8GB sticks.
http://i.imgur.com/F2dsA1E.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7YVqCsz.jpg
Impact is a little beast, 1.65v on air :D just getting my bearings before it goes cold.
anyone knows where I can buy Asus OC Panel for Maximus VI ??
Here some run with the M6E:
Scores:
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4673/ew2g.jpg
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/6283/gqt6.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2149/pm87.jpg
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4636/miun.jpg
Photos:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1214/ni7t.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2331/yzz6.jpg
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/6315/qshv.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9355/qirb.jpg
Cheers!
RMA'ed my M6E for a store credit at Newegg, replaced it with a Sabertooth Z87 and I was finally able to get a decent stable OC. Next I will try for 47/44.
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GREAT work Nacho !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by nacho_arroyo
from the OC Main Event in SF:
http://i.imgur.com/JJsXtHJ.jpg
Great to meet everyone once again:)
award for tallest goes to...... ;) lmao
I have no idea why this was so hard to do on the Extreme, but it was easy on the Formula.
Dominator Platinum 2800C11@2933 12-14-14-35-2T 1.75v Super Pi 32M
http://i.imgur.com/t07A0Ut.jpg
Dominator Platinum 2800C11@3000 12-14-14-35-2T 1.75v Super Pi 32M
http://i.imgur.com/frEOd9t.jpg
nice Shiranu the formula series for me always where better on mem even my maximus 5 do thing that the extreme dont, each one has its strong parts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
Sorry I was so panicked I put this in the x79 thread not the z87 thread--
New Topic--I need some help asap. My Maximus VI won't boot in the allotted 300 second timeout for an Areca 1882 raid card as long as drives are connected to most of the ports, this wasn't happening when I was testing the same card on a z87 ASRock board. If I have 2 ssds attached it boots somewhat quickly, and it was booting with drvies attached but took around 120 seconds when it booted on an ASRock in like 45 seconds. About a week ago suddenly it starting taking the entire 500 seconds and would maybe come up just before a restart warning from the controller and other times it goes all the way through the time and the controller forces a restart. I've had Areca problems with other Asus boards what is the bios issue and these raid cards? I tried gen 2, gen 3, auto, connecting one array and connecting all drives---the only thing that I can get to boot right now is just an array of 2 ssds, running Areca 1.51 firmware and previous Asus bios, not 0804. what's my solution? I need these drives up to access my files and mail--help Raj
Does anyone know if/when there will be Windows 8.1 drivers available? I know officially it isn't released until October. Just wondering if they will be available sooner or the day of its official release.
Quote:
Originally Posted by christefan
Contact ASUS support for this one. I will push from my end, but as you are out of my region, most of the onus falls on your local support.
Was hoping you could advise something, I thought Asus had advanced out of this situation where problems come up and 'gee there's no real answer' maybe someone will help you'. That's the kind of thing that caused me to move away from Asus years ago when they got so big they thought they had all the answers but if your :banana::banana::banana::banana: didn't work with theirs you were suddenly out of luck--not a good position for the biggest and supposedly most capable and expert manufacturer to take.
Support is localised so should always be your first port of call.
Asus support is really no good. I logged a USB problem case. They answered after 4 days that it's probably the devices attached to the mobo and I should go ask the other vendors. Is this a joke?
If you feel its the board then contact Asus support Belgium again.
Maximus VI Formula is so much easier to clock memory on!
http://i.imgur.com/fkwHYhA.jpg
Would prolly be faster in 32M with tighter timings :)
Yeah, right now I'm messing with 4x4GB Samsung-based Dominator 2133C9 using the 1.65 2666 profile and CPU at 4.7GHz. Switching from 2T to 1T pulled the RTL and IO-L quite a bit tighter.
Looks like these particular sticks won't do 1T at those speeds (I have some stronger Samsung I haven't tested) but this isn't too bad:
http://i.imgur.com/yDYuNvo.jpg
I've had this board for a couple of weeks and find it much easier for memory OC than the M6E. Today I was testing some medium-binned Samsung 2Gbit D-rev based kits (Corsair Dominator 2133C9) with the Samsung memory profiles.
4x4GB DDR3-2666 10-12-12-21-2T using the 4x4GB 2666 1.65v profile (Same as last post)
http://i.imgur.com/yDYuNvo.jpg
Nothing really special there, pretty basic overclock with Samsung RAM. I couldn't get 1T stable with 4 sticks, so I switched to 2x4GB.
2x4GB DDR3-2666 9-12-12-21-1T using the 2x4GB 2666 1.85v profile
http://i.imgur.com/dVZPEkf.jpg
Really nice performance there, but I needed 2.0v to pass. I can only assume Asus was using some really high binned sticks when this profile was made, something like G.Skill 2666C10.
2x4GB DDR3-2666 9-12-12-21-1T using the 2x4GB 2666 1.85v profile Latency Compensator enabled
http://i.imgur.com/hj68y01.jpg
Enabling the Latency Compensator option pulled the RTLs and IO-Ls in a lot tighter, which boosted perf a bit but required even more VDIMM (2.05v). Lots of fun stuff to play with in the DRAM Timings section :cool:
congrats shiranu yay ASUS has a GREAT BIOS !!!
Looks like the M6F is based on the new C1 stepping now. Yay!
Wait...or is it supposed to be C2 stepping? I'm confused...
I have to RMA my Z87 Deluxe motherboard because of bad USB ports. They will 'repair it' (somehow I do not trust this) and it will take 4 (!!!) weeks. Asus --> never again!
I managed to run some CFR sticks at DDR3-3000 on the 1.25x strap, which I couldn't do at all on the Extreme. It did require me to use initial BCLK lower than 125MHz for some reason.
http://i.imgur.com/lUJ9nKo.jpg
Are you 100% sure that you used same subs,i mean primary secondary and tertiary all together with same bits and compensator?Because doing a versus between M6E ,M6G and M6I they basically clock the same for daily use,while impact has advantage of shorter traces resulting in higher valids.But M6E yields no problem in getting great ram clocks ...
I can't explain it, I didn't even have to mess with the siwzzling bits on the M6F, I only enabled Latency Compensator. Half of the time with the M6E I couldn't even boot CFR at 2933C12, it was very inconsistent. My first time powering up the M6F, I went into the BIOS and set 2933C12 and VDIMM, saved and rebooted and it happily POSTed, ran Windows and passed Super Pi 32M.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex-Ro
You do realize that anything that anybody makes is bound to break at some point right? The board could have gone through QA and worked just fine, but the act of shipping the product to you or the retailer you bought it from managed to work something lose. Repair does not always mean "fix and return" it could mean you get a new or refurbished board instead. You have a warranty, exercise your right to get it repaired. The 4 weeks could be a worse case scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by nossy23
Aside from some Bios related issues with an old Dual FX board I had about 5 years ago, I have never had a hardware problem not get fixed via Asus tech support.
Hi I'am testing the M6F now. the official bios 1903 from ASUS website can't be flashed and giving error "Security Verification Failed". How to fix this?
rog usbflashback it's the easiest way
Alright thanks for the tips Alex. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alex-Ro
Got some new toys to play today,
ASUS Maximus VI Formula & Gene:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...29292162_o.jpg
These two boards would be the last motherboards from Maximus VI Series that I have ever played up till now.
Apacer ARES 3000MHz 12-14-14-35 2 x 8GB
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...25617994_n.jpg
Without wasting time, I have put the Formula under water on my Dimastech test bench
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...43446893_o.jpg
Mem OC is awesome, 3333MHz 12-16-15-35-1T:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...93645191_o.jpg
3426MHz 12-16-15-35-1T:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...59529685_n.jpg
I have a problem with my M6G. Just put everything together this morning, but it's not booting, stuck at 00. The setup consists of 4670K, M6G, 8GB G.Skill ARES ( CFR ), Enermax 720W PSU, 7600 GT plus HDD, mouse, keyboard, fans. The 4670K and the M6G are new, fresh out of the box. When I turn the mainboard on I get post codes 1x, 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, 6x, 7x, 00, reboot, 00 ( stuck ), turns off after a few seconds.
What I've tried so far: 2 different VGAs, both in both PCIe slots, one or two memory sticks, less or more mounting pressure on the CPU cooler, of course also clear CMOS and MEM OK. :(
Any ideas except for exchanging the CPU tomorrow would be very appreciated!
Don did you inspect the socket for any dust, hair, tim or bent pin ? 00 can mean lots of things most bad, can you enter BIOS or impossible ? i have a friend with same and he flashed with rog connect and workedQuote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
I didn't inspect it very closely but the socket looked fine to me when inserting the CPU. I'll tear it down this morning, I didn't have the motivation to do it yesterday to be honest. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
I've never entered the BIOS so far, it has always been giving the POST codes as written above.
guys, is here someone who can help me? I need to buy some MFR DRAM...In CZ is nothing. Avexir support is sleeping for me :(. Need it for HSWL+LN2 (M6H and M6F in my hands). Thx for any help+PM me.
cpu is fine,if it was dead than you would not get 1x 2x etc,just 00 all time.Get a uefi file and flash it with usb flashback,then press clrcmos button on rear for a few times and hit it up.should work,it it it still does this forever mobo should be the one to blame...Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
I've tried a USB flashback with ROG Connect just now, it's still doing the same. I think I've done it correctly, thumb drive formatted as FAT, only file on it is M6G.CAP, press button for five seconds, LED blinks for a while, then blinks more quickly for a few seconds, press clr CMOS, fire it up. It still goes through all the POST codes and finishes with 00.
Try a different memory kit if you have one.