7870 should be a bit faster than 6970 at ~150w.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursindonesia
7770 should be around 6870 at ~100w.
7870 should be a bit faster than 6970 at ~150w.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursindonesia
7770 should be around 6870 at ~100w.
If your estimation/prediction is correct, then it would be quite a coup for AMD IMHO, a nice performance improvement this time around. I certainly hope this will be the case, gotta be more patient, just 3 more days to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
My HD 4870 1 GB is veeery long in the tooth, though it still does its job quite decently, i'm not too demanding with the bells and whistles of newer games's IQ. That Pitcairn stuff would be just right placed in my PC in the next few months (after competition arrives and supply getting better). :)
Can you really talk about CUs on VLIW4? Pitcairn will most likely be around 2.6B trannie just like Cayman. And i Doubt Pitcairn will be half a Cape Verde.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Got to tell you,a 7770 fanless and with no auxilliary power,but with performance of a 6870 would be awesome...
Rofl 1.6x, 'avin a laugh.
-PB
More clear picture :
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/872f395...ab1227d2ad.jpg
A lot better lol. :D
It's wrong interpreted.. SC2 is Civ V and Borderlands is Battleforge also lack of settings..
You're right kaktus, didn't noticed at first glance :(Quote:
Originally Posted by kaktus1907
http://vipeax.nl/graph7970.png
Something like this? ;) Settings are impossible to read....
http://www.abload.de/img/iknowthatfeelbrop2auc.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
:D
nice graphQuote:
Originally Posted by Vipeax
AvP 19x12 1xMSAA
Batman AA?? 25x16 8xAA 16xAF
Battleforge 25x16 8xAA 4xAF??
Civ V 25x16 4xAA 16xAF
Crysis 2 25x16
Crysis Warhead 25x16 8xAA 16xAF
Deus Ex 25x16 MLAA 16xAF
F1 2010 25x16 8xMSAA 16xAF
Metro2033 25x16 4xAA 16xAF
Stalker COP 25x16 16xAF
Shogun 2 25x16
45% faster than GTX580 according to AMD PR slide settings are mostly at 25x16, so in real life it should end up ~35% at 19x12
neliz Again!
AvP = 19x12, ?xMSAAQuote:
Originally Posted by Vipeax
Batman AC = 25x16, 8QxAA, 16xAF
Battleforge = 25x16
Civ 5 = 25x16, 4xMSAA, 8xAF
Crysis 2 = 25x16
Crysis Warhead = 25x16, 8xAA (I think), 16xAF
Deus Ex = 25x16, MLAA, 16xAF
F1 2010 = 25x16, 8xMSAA, 16xAF
Metro 2033 = 25x16, 4xMSAA, 16xAF
Stalker CoP = 25x16, 16xAF
Shogun 2 = 25x16
That's how I read it anyway.
Final then?
http://vipeax.nl/graph7970newB.png
Again?!Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
Civ V, battleforge, Stalker CoP would be a brutal jump compared to 6970 if this is true... other in the 40-50% improvement range. 3days to go to know for sure. I am looking for 6970ish performance at lower consumption and good CF scaling, hope 7870 will be just like that :D
No gay watermark this time please ... ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by neliz
Sorry if i misunderstood your answer but 7700 and 7800 ain't gonna be VLIW anymore, they're apparently GCN too.. So those Compute units are real".Quote:
Originally Posted by -Boris-
ok yea i know its semiaccurate, but still info is info :)Quote:
Remember that we previously reported the latest low-end discrete GPU offerings from AMD will be re-brands? Well, it looks like the low-end desktop offerings will get the same treatment. In a series of documents detailing the next low-end discrete GPU offerings from AMD, all of them indicate that AMD will not make a low-end part based on the Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture, but instead they are all re-brands of the legacy VLIW5 products, and are targeted, at the time of publication, to OEMs only.
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/12/16/l...ries-rebrands/
Some more leaks :D
http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/x...e/69707970.jpg
I think the image is not scaled properly... if it's going to be shorter than the 6970 then not by that "much".
Lol.. totally forgot that one :p 0_oQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Quote:
Originally Posted by The|Hunter
Really? If that is the case then it gets Interresting. But I don't know if it's good or bad. It depends on if GCN has higher performance per unit and Hz compared to VLIW4 in games as well. If it's just in GPGPU applications it's faster then I think VLIW4 is better for 7870 since it seems like a less complex and cooler architecture. But on the other hand now we really can compare VLIW4 and GCN clock for clock in games. :)
Radeon HD 7970 close to HD 6990 - Fudzilla
Quote:
When compared to the HD 6970, the HD 7970 is around 50 percent faster in 3DMark 11 Extreme test. It scores around 2800 points while the HD 6970 can get up to around 1800 points. The HD 6990 scores around 3400 points in the same test, but according to our sources, HD 7970 is more than happy with a good OC that draws the card an inch away from the HD 6990.
The MVC support is sweet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiview_Video_Coding
Its me or when something " not too bad " is wrote about AMD, the article is from Slobodan, and when it is "really bad " for AMD, the article is from Fuad ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Well anyway, we should know all in 3 days,
:D
http://i.imgur.com/Xumz6.jpg
:rofl:
No idea if we can trust this .
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/646/bf3af.jpg
GTX580 vs 7970 : 1920x1080 FXAA / MSAA - 5760x1080 FXAA /MSAA ( 4xMSAA? )
I hate marketeers. They're even too stupid to compile correct graphs.
I doubt anyone at AMD would use that font and incorrect logos in one of their presentations ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
ya..... No.
double post...
This was a general remark. I doubt the graphs will start at 0 in the official slides.Quote:
Originally Posted by neliz
And its far to easy with basic photoshop skill to change the value on left ...
looks a bit fishy, but I like the Eyefinity results. :p:
Oh, nice. I'm curious about the reduced shimmering on AF. It could be a nice little improvement on image quality. Eager to see the results of this :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vipeax
be honest, what is the site name for that IP? Fud? OBR?
They look FAR more professional and polished, that's for sure. And from what I looked at, far more realistic.
AMD PowerSlide Technology
maximum watermark performance when you need it!
lol
I don't like marketers either. But they aren't stupid. They do it that way on purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
Seriously hate those benchmark charts where the competing product always has a 1.0 ratio while the newer product obviously has a higher performance bar, better wait for more better benchmark charts.
100% agree with you
Interessant steady video feature .... For local memory ( aka system virtual memory ), well we will need to wait some games who use it.
People tend to buy what is "better" which is often based upon things they come into contact with so there such make sense same as the way its suppose to play slogans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
few games needs more horsepower at 1920x1080 unless we talk the amount of AA and such.
I look forward more at 5040x1050 my gaming resolution.
To measure a new card is kinda though, do we use dx9 or dx10 or dx10.1 or dx11 only?
Games also are mostly consol based design, even BF3 which if you ask me is one game that shows dx11 to a extent.
good to have some news to talk about tho ;)
My HD4850 is struggling with Morrowind at 720p, and my friends HD6850 isn't enough for 1080p, we don't even have the highest settings. So I definitely see a need for the horsepower of an unlocked 7950 in my rig now. :)
Driver problem. A card that can run Crysis decently at 720p wont struggle with an ancient game unless something is very wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by -Boris-
Don't really see the point of mention how inaccurate any given graph is from whatever company when they are releasing a new product. It's always like this, and thats basically how marketing works. We on this forum should just sit tight and wait for proper results. ;)
I will find it very interesting to see how much the 6950 will drop after the launch of the 79xx series.
It's a difference between Morrowind and Morrowind. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kallenator
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/415/morrowind1v.jpg
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9441/morrowind12.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1766/morrowind10.jpg
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/7632/morrowind14.jpg
I run Morrowind Overhaul 2.0. :)
Makes Skyrim look like the ten year old game. ;)
GPU-Z v0.5.7
Quote:
Added support for AMD Radeon HD 7970, HD 7350
Fixed "APIC counter broken" message on AMD Fusion Graphics
Fixed PCIe 3.0 showing up as 2.0
Fixed fillrate calculation on Fermi architecture
Fixed ROP count on GT 420, GT 520, HD 5450, HD 6450
Fixed random values showing as default clocks on some NVIDIA cards
Fixed random value showing as shader clock on NVIDIA cards without shader clock
Added / corrected release dates for HD 3650, FirePro V4800 and V3800
Added process size, die size, transistor count for Radeon E6760
Added transistor count for FirePro V4900
Improved detection for HD 5570, HD 6450A, HD 6470M
I dont think theres even a single game out yet that requires me to Upgrade other than BF3.
Civ V maxed out with 4x AA - 60 fps constant
Witcher 2 maxed without ubersampling 4x AA - 40 fps minimums
Shogun 2 with a Vram ini tweak to force ultra high settings with 4x AA - maybe one lag spike every hour.
Everything else is a console port, and the only upcoming games Im looking at playing are Diablo 3 and GW2.
As for morrowind, fully modded out it will run at 10 fps on my system, and 15 fps on SLI GTX 580s :D
Funny performance with mods. Drivers and patches wont fix that, the game has simply been modded far beyond what its engine was ever capable of.
Detailed test results for HD 7970
http://www.donanimhaber.com/ekran-ka...-sonuclari.htmQuote:
Hardware News is the flagship of a new generation of AMD's Radeon HD 7970'in officially publish the test results for the first time in the world. Our video card GeForce GTX 580 and Radeon HD 6970 In addition to the results of a comparative, Crossfire performance, Eyefinity gaming performance with the 7600 x 1600 pixel resolution, 3D and video playback performance is also based.
Raw performance fixes it. ;) And the morrowind engine is very scalable, it's a modified version still running in Oblivion and Skyrim.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Well that sure looks good! But still, you see what I mean right? Something is wrong, modders have tinkered with it beyond recognition and I am fairly sure they lack the tools too optimize the engine for the changes they make.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Boris-
The work is amazing btw ;) But if you give Skyrim the same amount of nurturing with higher ressed textures it will look far better, and honestly I think it does even without and I have seen a fair share of Morrowind images like that.
http://puu.sh/b66t
http://puu.sh/b66A
http://puu.sh/b66D
http://puu.sh/b66I
http://puu.sh/b66M
http://puu.sh/b66O
http://puu.sh/b66S
http://puu.sh/b66W
http://puu.sh/b66X
http://puu.sh/b66Z
http://puu.sh/b670
http://puu.sh/b672
http://puu.sh/b675
http://puu.sh/b676
http://puu.sh/b678
http://puu.sh/b67d
http://puu.sh/b67e
http://puu.sh/b67h
http://puu.sh/b67m
http://puu.sh/b67n
http://puu.sh/b67p
Like watching a review the way AMD
you guys shouldnt click a website that you dont even understand it's language lol :cool:
http://www.abload.de/img/1_7970_manfromatlantibgrub.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/2_7970_manfromatlantiqvpo6.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/3_7970_manfromatlanti24phz.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/4_7970_manfromatlantio8okn.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/5_7970_manfromatlantiziq5k.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/6_7970_manfromatlanti5mq6d.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/7_7970_manfromatlantir6qjl.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/8_7970_manfromatlantiwnp3i.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/9_7970_manfromatlantikcrs4.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/10_7970_manfromatlantlyrcg.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/11_7970_manfromatlantrgo3m.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/12_7970_manfromatlantgjo3a.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/13_7970_manfromatlant81pfy.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/14_7970_manfromatlantf6ox3.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/15_7970_manfromatlant4gr2d.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/16_7970_manfromatlantccpvl.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/17_7970_manfromatlantrgrmy.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/18_7970_manfromatlantd8q2e.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/19_7970_manfromatlant8qpgf.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/20_7970_manfromatlantpyqfi.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/21_7970_manfromatlantslorh.jpg
http://www.abload.de/gallery.php?key=qpOM1lvz
GTX 580 < HD 7970 15-30%
HD 6970 < HD 7970 25-40%
HD 7970 < HD 6990 15-20%
http://www.weibo.com/1706760995/xCRdqdFpk
Still on 32 ROP?
ROPs are irrelevant these days.
Well if these are legit, just going to hold out till something else comes out. Was expecting a launch like the 5870's, loved that day and loved those cards, epic performers for a while.
Those numbers don't really make sense. The difference between 6990 and 6970 is to small. Must be CPU-limited to some extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
And yes, I have noticed that it says 6990 is faster and not the other way around. ;)
they are real dont you respect red book ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nascasho
http://www.abload.de/img/desktop_2011_12_20_19hok99.png
X79A-GD65 (8D) is where it's AT! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kaktus1907
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by radier
You can never have enough pixel/texture fillrate. And by AMD its pixel fillrate that's crippled the most.. 29Gpixel/s..
btw; Crysis 1 is pixel fillrate hungry mofo.
Anyway i see 7970 scores ~ 7580 heh not so good imo, like i mentioned it once i can score 7100 gpu score with my 570gtx -_-
at least other stuff looks more promising.
How is pixel fillrate important? You cannot do anything with unlit untextured pixels. Texel fillrate is more important imo. Way more. Why else would the Radeons be so strong in highres?
Totally agree, I'm waiting for changing it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by nascasho
that's one fine board no ?Quote:
Originally Posted by neliz
:)
Disappoint
Those high res benchmarks look like it could handle ubersampled witcher2 1920x1080 playable with one card.
I wonder how the new uArch scales when castrated - if a 7870 could match 6950, withe a lower power consumption, better dx11+ performance and the right price, it's a no-brainer for those looking to upgrade
Explains why Skyrim looks like crap then.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Boris-
-PB
P.S. Why did they compare the 3GB to the 1.5GB 580?
Surely a 3GB 580 would have that gap a lot smaller @ those high resolutions? =/
-PB
Think 6970...Quote:
Originally Posted by 6thsurvivor
Too bad it's not a Nvidia reference card.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulbagz
Thanks, now I think "upgrade time".Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Is there any software avalible to push tahiti beyond overdrive limits?
I assume Afterburner would work just fine at launch, if anything it'll just need to be updated.Quote:
Originally Posted by majkel84
For AMD's marketing purposes why would they shoot themselves in the foot with a GTX580 3GB? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by paulbagz
Barely beating a 580? hmm..... Lets hope thats not true, if so im sure many people will be holding off for GTX 780/770
Huh? The results so far look like a carbon copy of 5870 launch..If anything even better if the slides are even half truthfull /realisticQuote:
Originally Posted by nascasho
Looks like 7990 is going to be a beast..
and with a beastly price... ouch.
The 78XX are just die shrunk caymans, that's why it'll be similar to 6970 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 6thsurvivor
Meh, the 7970 results aren't really impressive. Maybe if they moved to XDR2 results could have been more interesting.
If true awesome results for the 7970
When compared to the 6970(cayman) vs gtx 580, those graphs seem off considering the 6970 is using 11.11B drivers. These results seem especially off for the Civ 5 results and Batman Arkham city results. It seems like there is a huge amount of fudge factor and like typical marketing slides, are pretty much worthless. Better to wait for real results before making judgement.
Clearly lol, even if not reference or not, better to at least compare them on some semi-relevant plane rather then one with double the VRAM.Quote:
Originally Posted by minpayne
-PB
Yes, at same time, just a precision, it seems there's only 1 driver usable now for the 7970 ( you can download it if you access on NDA.AMD.COM ). And with the big change on the code of the gpu ( and so how the driver work with the hardware) , i suspect some drivers will be needed ...Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
I personally wait on Anandtech reviews... not cause i like how they bench the card ( not the case ), but cause with the excellent preview of gcn made by them in June, i hope they will go in deep of the architecture this time.
Well, that's really not the case when you see things with green tinted rose glasses. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
I don't think that's true, 78xx will use Pitcairn chip, and that baby is a member of GCN (Graphic Core Next) family, along with Tahiti, Cape Verde, & New Zealand. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
But then all the people who claim more than 1gb or whatever arbitrary number they choose "is enough" would be complaining ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by paulbagz
Will we see this again
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4198/67104522.jpg
:D
>__________________________________________<Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Can't please everyone kinda situation eh? :P
-PB
It'd definitely stir things up considering we haven't seen that happen since the x1950xtx... I don't think we will this time though, considering a big reason for those differences in performance numbers between the 580 and 7970 in that slide is that 1.5gb isn't enough for high aa at 2560 and damn well not enough for 3+ screens with AA, and the 580 isn't going to be what AMD are up against.Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
That, I'm waiting in anticipation for this show-down between both camps new cards. GPU cycles (not refreshes, but the initial releases) are my favorite time of the hardware year.
Probably not, each process switch makes each mm2 more important. So if AMD continues to use less die space and both architectures are reasonably close on performance per transistor then each mm2 AMD don't use gives nvidia a bigger advantage if they continue to use the 'All in' strategy they've used for some time. On 22nm AMD will either have to match nvidia's die size or have a superior architecture because giving up 100mm2 is going to hurt. Sure AMD can claw some of it back with their dual GPU cards, but when it comes down to it, people rarely compare the 5970 to the 480.Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
True, but the 580GTX in 3GB configuration isn't really a vanilla card, a few card makers have released them but then some people will release 1.5GB versions of the 7950 too, like they released 1GB versions of the 6950. So the omission is fair and valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulbagz
However I don't think it doesn't really matters, nVidia have made more of a effort this generation to insure they do not have the same issues they had with 40nm, they'll most likely go large again, and I think the gap in release between the two might be shorter this time.
I'm sure (or rather I hope) that when professional reviewers put out their numbers we'll see some benchmarks that showcase the difference the extra memory makes.
Lets not forget that the game engine can be as much at fault for poor performance at high resolution as can be the lack of vram.
They ought to have just kept on using the 5870 shroud, that thing was so much nicer than the HD 6000s / 7000s shrouds.
eyefinity 3 screens and such then a 3gb card makes more sense and need to provide the performance there.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
1920x1080 then todays cards works well enough for.
what typically happens is, do the card and the configuration you use it for make a difference with the new card or not?
is that difference noticeable for you or not?
it not, then the new card isnt worth it.
benchmarks aside, but if the results dosnt gets noticed in your machine, why buy new then?
Was read a bit the beyond3D forum, and one have see something interesting... 2x 6 Pin = 7950 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by minpayne
About the red pcb .. well dont take too much care about it, thoses are AMD cards, surely HIS, MSI, etc will have their own black pcb for the retail cards. ( simply AMD/ATI made by AMD/ATI are always red pcb )
Weird that people are disappointed its pretty good performance IMO, its always been like this.
4870=<GTX 280 Link
5870=<GTX 480 Link
6970=<GTX 580 Link
7970=<GTX 780/790 "Which ever one has 1500 cores"
AMD has not done a big daddy GPU for quite some time, they rather go with the dual GPU route which is a super easy with smaller cores its more about mm2 than freq.
EDIT: Things like GTX285, 4890, 6930, etc do not matter since they are freaks and mutants :P
4870X2 had it all black I remember, but again it's of very little relevance!