Ban anyone who sets out the fire. This is getting too out-of-hand. All the comments are really not really for this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by YukonTrooper
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Ban anyone who sets out the fire. This is getting too out-of-hand. All the comments are really not really for this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by YukonTrooper
Don;'t think there's much flaming, it's just gone quite off topic and more so doesn't really belong in news anymore. If you guys all want it open, though, I don't really care.
Can't be, that's easy :) Mr Beier, I'd like the PM just to know what happened please :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by biohead
at this point...who cares :rolleyes: action has been taken and the punishments have been handed out, done deal. Can the OC community move on already with honor/integrity. I just love the art of overclocking(smart man's problem solving) I think a locked version of a hwbot operating system should be released to create a level playing field and everything should be hardware speed based.
Agreed. Plus I want to see how long it takes till everyone runs out of breath :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
:shakes: :shakes: :shakes: :shakes: :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Vapor did his part, anyone who has spoken with him will know he's a really great guy. This is terrible :mad:
Vapor, I hope to see you back up there one day buddy!
These news section posters have some pretty crazy stamina when it comes to this sorta thing, wouldn't sell em short there :p: plus we got both massman and M.Beier...this could go on forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
A friendly wager on how fast this thread will grow? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
I am not above bringing 4Chan here in order to win ;)
I, for one, am happy to see among all these cursing and spitting there is also a healthy discourse about ethics and future strategies. So let's hope something positive will come out of this mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by lkiller123
You said it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
100% Agree :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Serra
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Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Depends on how you read it I guess:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
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Originally Posted by Vapor
Yeah but what you're forgetting is that the chessboard looks like this once Fugger's done with it: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
This is why i dont really like sports.... at all :shakes:
And excuse my french.... but i think your all idiots for coming down on Vapor.
He did nothing wrong.
I find the whole thing humorous ... hopefully he made some good money ;)
Ah, I thought you had meant it was just a low-level easy tweak and that top competitors just didn't do it because it was too easy (obviously I'm not a top-level overclocker). That sounded really weird to me and was the basis of what I was getting about, though I agree that I was a bit scattershot with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
Even so I think I could go on with the debate, but I think it's a matter for another thread or PM.
:shakes: @ Vapor
You're not allowed to step down!
*puts his foot down*
here is my take on Vapor's situation: 1) he didnt force or agree with Skinnee on posting the scores. 2) it wasnt there when Skinnee posted the scores. so I see no guilt or a reason to hang him.
here are similar scenarios: you and your sibling walk into a candy store. your sibling talks about stealing a candy bar and you gave your opinion. then you walk into the shop and split up to browse separately. you come back and walk out together and he/she gets caught for stealing. should u be punished? or what if he/she doesnt get caught, are you gonna rat the person out?
I say no to both questions because you werent there and you dont for sure or see him/she steal anything. and i wouldnt snitch because im not a snitch, but i wouldnt trust or agree to be with someone like that if he/she continues to be like that.
another scenario: you and your friends go out to a bar. one of your friend gets blasted and starts a fight when youre not there. are you gonna a) back him up or b) walk away because he started it? and dont say "break it up or talk it out" because when everyone is drunk, its either fight or walk away. in this case, i would a) and never go to the bar again with the same person if he is a habitual fight starter.
anyway, as someone mentioned, we're not responsible or should police anyone on their actions; its not murder.
People make their own choices, some good some bad but regardless they have to be held accountable for their actions it’s what separates us from the animals. I'm sure if it was a no name guy he would be shot on site for such crimes, because it’s one of XS very own everyone tries to derail the issue. He was a part of it, there is no debate on this, the man was in the same house and knew exactly what was going on. I think teenagers use the "I was asleep" defence not adults. Andre did the least and suffers the harshest punishment. Vapor should have stopped the score from being submitted, its called the delete key. Vapor should be banned and lose all XS admin rights he was knee deep in the mess just as much as anyone else. But he won’t, post will be deleted, people will be banned for posts that any admin doesn’t like. Top level benchers will be able to speak their minds without fear of the ban hammer but guys like myself will definitely get banned if they hit a nerve so I will have to tread lightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
Take a new bencher working hard to gain some respect within the community... working hard to gain knowledge and make a name for him/herself maybe enter a contest and see how it goes...but wait there are some :banana::banana::banana::banana: heads with corp sponsors cheating and little is done about it. It taints the sites reputation and the contests they promote. I know my opinion means nothing to you or anyone else for that matter because I'm a little guy with no points or corp sponsors in my back pocket. Lots of double standards going on here and makes it hard for the little guy to even want to try and compete when your game is over before you get a chance to play. How do you stand a chance when there are two rule books?. Its hard enough to compete against the sponsors offering cherry picked chips, boards and gpu's now you have people who damn well know better cheating and the majority is giving a thumbs up. Now the fire wont die out and the remedy is to close the thread, not the best way to handle this imo
Your opinion is noted. And I don't want to quell any flames or anything, just that things are running OT. But plenty have aleady voiced to leave it open, so open it'll remain.
Wow a lot of opinions that differ. It is what I like about XS. You don't always have to agree because if we all did then what kind of crap box would this place be. Nice to see so much passion from some people in the moral beliefs. I vote too to keep this thread open as I am sure it is great for people to vent and share alike. :up:
In Vapors defense,
I knew about Andre offering files before the contest was over. I knew that he offered files to several (not just 1) people and I did not send anyone a warning what to do. There was no way for me to prove or even worry about hearsay even when the source is good without everyone stepping forward that this problem existed.
Vapor was not competing for position in MOA.
Now for Xfastest, Kevin ak KJ. He was the last entry removed.
Everyone just forced Eric to quit, bravo guys.
Closed thread for a moment to catch up a sec (no cleanup)
apple meet orange.Quote:
Originally Posted by halfwaythere
i dont see why people would want vapor to step down, he cannot hold evey1s hand, and he did not try to cover it up.
The Six Pillars of Character
Trustworthiness
Be honest • Don’t deceive, cheat or steal • Be reliable — do what you say you’ll do • Have the courage to do the right thing • Build a good reputation • Be loyal — stand by your family, friends and country
Respect
Treat others with respect; follow the Golden Rule • Be tolerant of differences • Use good manners, not bad language • Be considerate of the feelings of others • Don’t threaten, hit or hurt anyone • Deal peacefully with anger, insults and disagreements
Responsibility
Do what you are supposed to do • Persevere: keep on trying! • Always do your best • Use self-control • Be self-disciplined • Think before you act — consider the consequences • Be accountable for your choices
Fairness
Play by the rules • Take turns and share • Be open-minded; listen to others • Don’t take advantage of others • Don’t blame others carelessly
Caring
Be kind • Be compassionate and show you care • Express gratitude • Forgive others • Help people in need
Citizenship
Do your share to make your school and community better • Cooperate • Get involved in community affairs • Stay informed; vote • Be a good neighbor • Obey laws and rules • Respect authority • Protect the environment
No, one setting for both. Exactly how most of us run now with exception to 3Dmark 01 where we adjust LOD for each test.
Unfortunately I think most of us would be found lacking if we were held ot all those standards.I know myself that there are times you want to do a certain thing but life interfere's and dumps on your plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by dctokyo
All one can do is to try and keep those thoughts in mind.
Now I want to add something that maybe I shouldn't but I think it's important.
Vapor and I had a falling out a few weeks ago over a personal issue.
We hadn't spoken since then.
Now you see me defending him here and some think I'm just standing up for a buddy or another staff member. Totally untrue.
I'm standing up for him because I beleive he's innocent of any wrong doing and doing so even though I was pissed at him over the other matter.
In my mind one has to separate the issues and deal with them as separate issues and in this case he is innocent of any wrongdoing as I see it.
That is the simple facts and there are maybe 100 people here that know this to be true.
I'm not about to sit back and watch an innocent guy get lynched by what I see as a witch hunt.
interesting i found this on the forum back in 2008, not sure if this was done or what people speak of,
but it's all new to me and prob a lot of people in this discussion except it seems to the top overclcokers,
seems lots of stuff is used that is commonplace, so i need to find out what it is and how to do it so i can get better scores too.
Mipmap tweaking, cheating or legit tweak?
first post 02-26-2008, 04:01 PM
Because of the outcry from everyone out for blood. Better to just step down and resume my normal browsing on XS with a different colored name and an "Edit Post" button missing on everyone else's posts than to have it persist and drag XS down.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
I think calling for Vapor's banning etc is way over the top. He didn't cheat and he didn't have a chance to be a silent accessory. Even if he did keep quiet about it after the fact, it's not like he should be punished in the same way the cheaters are.
With that said, the thought that he (and Fugger for that matter) might have decided to keep silent about cheating really feels like a betrayal of trust. People look up to you guys.
If you did something as wrong as some say then you should be FORCED to post daily on xxx for a month straight ;) That would be cruel and unusual punishment enough ;) LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Please no xxx talk. They have nothing do with anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
I think at some point you need to stand up for yourself,Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
if you feel you did nothing wrong then stay on
but by stepping down it gives the appearance that you feel that you made a mistake and should step down.
Don't use the outcry and other stuff as a excuse to go left or right,
at some point we all need to take a stand no matter what people say
and do the right thing for yourself
so i say if you feel you did nothing wrong, stay and we all support you!
plus i see people use the word flame and such, but all i see in this thread is a lot of differing views and i think for the most part peope being very civil
and tryign to work thru what has happened. i think it's very well mannered for what it is about, a little offtop[ic and allover the place, kinda like therapy.
I have come to the conclusion that there is some hush hush tricks that the top people use on a regular basis, and so i want to be able to use it to....
till it gets shut down...
It was sarcasm, lol. In response to Darth's post about overclocking not being encouraged and it voiding your warranty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n
Most people that are afraid to overclock will spend the extra sharp cheddar on a higher-clocked chip (or a higher-clocked GPU, i.e.: EVGA SuperClocked edition) instead of overclocking a cheaper chip with great potential.
I, sirs, I, am not afraid to being the overclock, ergo, the neat, the noise, and t3h XTRA POWA!
Something about frames in GT1 being higher than GT2 or GT2 being higher than GT1 when it shouldn't have been. Scores were opposite of everyone elses? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ;4483570
Anyways, thats enough for me. I'm tired. I'll go reside in the AMD section now. :)
I have been reading this thread but all I see is blah blah blah.
Darth, I like your avatar. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Yup same here. Such a big deal. You know I would have been pissed off if it was a youtube vid or something with Vapor, Skinnee and such taking rounds out of my wife or something but this?!? Maybe it's just me then but to tell you the truth isn't that how progress is made by people who think outside the box or bend the rules and others try to compensate for it? Everybody is a cheat and everybody is a liar for one damn thing or another and if someone say's different then they are lying right there because it is impossible to do. What bothers me is people out for blood on a forum. To me it say's get a freakin life already! Vapor I don't give a rats behind if you bought the damn thing yourself and gave it to skinnee. To me the two of you have contributed way more and heck I would have bought you the damn score myself to help pay back all the stuff you guys did for us. Don't listen to the blow-hards spewing their garbage and asking for people to step down. I don't find what you guys did malicious and heck if you guys did get away with it I would not have cared or be bothered by it. I find it's up to the score keepers to adapt and make things tighter. There will always be a guy with something up his sleeve to beat the odds.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
That's one of his builds.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
I am saying I just don't give a shart about world records myself (even though a ibud whom I think Fugger happens to hate does get into this stuff). If you are an amatuer then have fun and drop all the drama on ALL sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
Well, with the help of my wife and my buddy SoundEvolution (they held the thing and helped me cut it up).Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] riptide
At the rate this is going, FUGGER is going to be the only one left.
Try to keep it civilized everyone.
Wow, you are a Colonel? I have an uncle who was a Colonel. Good old Colonel Angus.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelCain
Hmm. That's more like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dctokyo
The original list sounds much more like an SJ's "rules" for everyone else. As a Rationalist, I don't care for much of the list.
See, this is exactly why people think you should stay. You recommended that skinnee take the high road and left, and yet you still want to step down because your name is peripherally mentioned in this scandal because you don't want any reflection on XS. That is exactly the kind of attitude we need here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Naturally, opinion is divided about this, but Vapor needs to grow a thick skin and un-resign. I also think someone with the authority needs to hit the reset button; too many casualties already (BenchZowner, Vapor, and Dinos22, to some extent). Personally, I believe people need a second chance because we're all fallible. Bans and restrictions (including Andre's) should all be commuted to 30 days, that's enough punishment considering all the under-handed things that are emerging. HWBOT should follow suit. This should be a teachable moment for all overclockers and the art itself - it's broken and needs fixing. A preliminary committee should be formed as a place-holder for an eventual governing body. This committee should be tasked with recognizing and addressing all known loop-holes to-date through a draft of regulations that would form the basis of the rules for all overclocking competitions, in addition to any special rules that the competition organizations should propose. I believe the most important aspect of overclocking we're forgetting (but which Dave already mentioned) is the promotion of friendship and cooperation, of sharing (no pun intended) and solidarity.
The outcome of this negative turn of affairs should not be further division, but a strengthening of bonds between OCs from all over the globe. I believe pardoning or giving the accused a second chance is not a sign of weakness, but rather a show of strength. The strength to trust them to be responsible, knowing they have only one more chance to condemn themselves to eternal infamy.
I think we finally got enough drama. Has everyone had their opportunity to vent? Excellent.
Vapor I understand your reasoning, but you are a valuable member of the XS staff. From my POV you are the same stand up guy you've always been. I hope, once you have some time to consider your move, you get back in the saddle.
OK dudes, heres the curveball. Andre Yang did this on purpose. He knew he would be caught, and he knew the others involved would all be caught.
Seriously, someone with his knowledge of the game knows that somehow, someway, he would get caught in this.
He used these other guys as pawns. patsies. fall-guys. Whatever you wanna call it. He gave these scores out to people that he thought would be dumb enough to take them (no offense guys, but its true).
So whatever statement that he was making, or whatever mission he is on, he used them and destroyed their credibility as a perpetuation of his own intentions. What the intentions were, im unsure.
But people want to equate this to legal terms, even bringing up "accessory after the fact" and all that.
Ever heard of Entrapment?
This is a picture perfect case of it.
The fact that one of the guys gets in here and comments that Andre was such a hater for giving the scores to other people, (and even had the gall to be MAD about it!) tells you that this has been going on for awhile.
SO....there is a clique of individuals who were involved, and it has happened before, and is probably much more widespread than any of us think. Making all of the HWbot questionable, and making a mockery of the 'sport'.
I dont give a flying :banana::banana::banana::banana:.
This whole bunch of :banana::banana::banana::banana: isnt going to effect me in any way. I dont care about prizes or money or gold cups, i dont have any and dont care to have any. The thrill of this for me is building something, doing something no one has ever done, researching tirelessly, watching new tech come and old tech die, rapin chips and taking names! I dont need any recognition for my true passion. Making friends (and the enemies are even better) along the way and hangin out on the forums is also a big part of my passion for this as well.
Whatever was going on with these guys is high drama, and this is an epic thread, oh the SUSPENSE!!
But really, back to overclocking people! Its a blip on the radar. We shouldnt turn a blind eye to it, but we also shouldnt continue to drag this out. expel the demons and be done with it damnit!
Late to the party, but I just wanted to say I think it's the right decision to make this a discussion as opposed to a "silent" ban. Good leadership Fugger.
hey, umm you are a little late to the party but we were done doing that a page ago. sorries! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Computurd
yours is post number 450 beepbeep. So dont tell me that it isnt still being dragged out.
No, we kinda started talking about other things...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Computurd
:up:
Seems about everyone in this forum has weighed in with their opinions on this matter. Far be it for you to 'correct' anyone or tell them when they can, or cannot, say anything. Do not diminish my opinion with your sarcasm.Quote:
hey, umm you are a little late to the party but we were done doing that a page ago. sorries!
Have a nice day.
You want my reason? You can't have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Computurd
This thread has been cleaned up considerably since you got here.
If you would kindly back up a page from this one you will find me quoting something that no longer exists. There have been quite a few posts that "no longer exist". There has already been one person removed from this section completely for flaming.
But you can't see it because even the post stating he was removed and telling others to watch what they say from now on was also removed.
There are a lot of things missing here, sorry I came off in such a manner.
Take this private.
Cleaned up considerably since i got here? I have been watching it since day one. I read the posts before they were cleaned up.
However, discretion is the better part of valor. I have waited to watch it play out before I came to some sort of opinion worth stating.
I was not flaming, or trolling, or whatever, and if that were the case, it would be the position of the moderators to warn or censure me.
I know there are things missing here. One of them was my opinion, but now it is here :)
No hard feelings.
This is one of my biggest issues and the reason this whole thing gets me upset. We are not tlaking about Joe Average, but people in positions that can effect other people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
No one is after blood, just accountability. You cannot and I am going to repeat myself here, you cannot set a standard for one person/group/company and then set another standard for another person/group/company and not expect people to call foul. Sorry, I am just calling it how I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
First, let's be clear, from what I read on HWBOT, this did not just happen overnight. The idea that Skinnee submitted the score with the rest and the next day the investigation was over with and everyone was banned is BS. I quote:Quote:
Originally Posted by Serra
"After an in-depth search, Futuremark realized that all these results originated from a single setup, this based not only on the same FM registration key but also the PCI devices and more. In practice, this means that one overclocker has produced several benchmark scores and gave it to other overclockers to win the MOA 2010 WW Final ticket."
This didn't happen in a matter of hours. My point is that Vapor knew what Skinnee was doing and chose (badly) to turn a blind eye to it. If they had not gotten caught, know one would have known but those involved. I don't think anyone has called for him to face the same punishment as the others, but stepping down from being a mod here was the right move.
Lastly, everyone thinks that this is just having an effect here on XS, are you serious? Do you guys realize that now every time someone looks at the rankings they will suspect cheating. How the hell can you have competitions if no one can trust the system or the participants? The ones that are saying it isn't a big deal, tell that to the new overclockers trying to make a name for themselves or to the guy that loses out after pouring a couple months of his/her life into getting ready for a competition only to lose because someone skirted the rules or flat out cheated. I keep hearing that people need to get off their "High Horses", but maybe people need to start acting responsible and ethical. To codone any type of cheating is wrong, simple as that. What type of message does that send to masses? It's ok to cheat as long as you don't get caught, great lesson. I can only hope that people here don't truly believe this, otherwise why compete, why bother?
Sorry to break it to you but it is reality. I don't care what standard is set in anything you do or wherever you go there will be people there who have an edge one way or another. People compete anyway to better themselves and to have fun. The people who want to win at any cost often will. I never said it was right or wrong, just reality. I am not going to judge another person as I know I am no damn boyscout myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
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When you stand back and look how much people want to crucify others over one wrong thing it is sad. They do not take into account the other million things they do right especially in helping others. How much has these people helped others? I cannot count how many damn times. Booting them off the forum only hurts the others just so people can lick their chops from the corpse they chewed on thinking they are better. Sorry to break it to people....We are all human and screw ups are part of the game. Live and learn, don't be sadistic in making people pay for it.
i can understand banning people from competition
but not from the forums
people like skinnee are the reason why me and a bunch of people visit xs on a regular basis
they just contribute way to much to the community, and to have them gone sucks
/2c
I agree each individual must take responsibility for themselves and act responsibly, meaning you abide by simple rules the only reason I agree with lifetime ban/bans is because of what the cheaters are saying to those who play by the rules through their actions, basically they are saying **** you and your fair ways of doing things, its as simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
and anyone who is saying there is a lynch mob here? wtf if a boxer put lead in His glove to beat his opponent what would you say then? you might say that's an extreme comparison, but its blatant cheating just the same.
no sport needs that s**t, how do you think the guy coming in second to Ben Johnson felt when it came out Ben J was taking illegal performance enhancing drugs to beat Him? high profile sport yes but cheating just the same.
Don't get me wrong here as I was one of the members who "attacked" you.. but stepping down isn't the right choice to make..Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Being an admin myself I don't back down from giving my take on a matter or defending my actions.. I think it makes you a better admin..
Dropping yourself from staff like this gives only food for thought you agree with the way things went down..
The whole point of the discussion is why people got banned, Andre getting banned for life and your take in it..
Like I said.. removing yourself from staff is taking the easy way out.. I always figured you were way better then that..
What people do to win..Its crazy.Lifetime ban on hwbot would be good!
:rotf::rotf::rotf:Quote:
Originally Posted by gautam
Oh man. I'm really dissapointed about the work from this guys and i'm glad to hear that they've been banned. Am i right when i say that AY haven't wright any sentence in this thread?
he did not get a life time ban, hes just going on vacation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newblar
a life time ban from the orb or HWbot for cheating makes sense but the forum seams like it should be less than permanent for all involved
I wonder how deep the rabbit hole is here and if FM will start scanning thru other profiles looking for the rest of the cheaters.
So because it is a reality that people cheat, we should just accept it and not punish it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
By cheating, there is no competition. The competition is a farce. You don't win, you stole.
I question every contribution they have ever made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newblar
Just like a cop, you get caught doing something bad and every conviction you made gets called into question.
This is not the first time they cheated, merely the first time they were caught. Nothing they have done can be trusted. No scientific tests they have done can be believed.
I know that you guys dont know who I am and dont care, but I've worked in the entertainment/music industry my whole life.. As a singer/songwriter/producer. I always did the right thing but found that my partners did'nt always agree. We went our own way and it was no big deal.. I'm not trying to start a debate but I've messaged almost every overclocker that I respected and loved for the past 5 years.. There's actually a couple of you in this thread... You know who actually cared.. I was just interested in overclocking but had nothing to offer.. I just wanted to learn, and out of everyone, the only person who taught me or even responded to any of my messages was Andre Yang and Vince Lucido. I really like Massman and Peter tan alot as well because they were always really cool but I'm not in with the overclocking loop.. I'm just me.. For some reason it started becoming my new art form.. :D The whole point is that I just really appreciate people that care and help others regardless of their rank or how popular they are. I should know what that feels like as a musician. Just because you open for the black crows or reach the top of the overclockers league does'nt mean you ignore people that want to learn.. Andre Yang helped me and for what its worth, it means something.. I was sad to hear the news... There's a few of you here that I've messaged before. You guys are great and I look up to you as an overclocker but I never got a response. Cheers!! I think Dinos is hilarious by the way!! :D
Also, I only cheated once... and that was during a counter strike lan.. I thought it was funny as hell because my best friend was sooooooo pissed off. It was his server... He still talks about it. haha :D
Anyway.. Sorry to go on and on but I love this stuff... I started overclocking because I thought everyone on xs was crazy! I used to read about new projects on here years ago.. I was absolutely amazed and felt like there were alot of people that built what xtreme systems is all about!! :) Also, I love this place!!
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Originally Posted by Kal-EL
that's what i would like to know aswell ....
I'm disappointed in both fugger and vapor, as they both knew what was going on, and did nothing?
While it may not be as bad as the cheaters themselves, they still knew what was going on and did nothing, and as people have said before. If you know someones going to rob a bank and do nothing, then you can be prosecuted!
I think the whole thing is just terrible, just what happened???
i love overclocking :D
Having proof is critical and upholds your stance, without it things can go horribly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
Mmm I can understand that
In a away, this is a good thing, as now we have got rid of some of the cheaters, although for all we know there may be more.
It's just a pity this kinda thing happens at all.
Fugger why are over-clockers so catty? Almost as bad as CSS players on the gaming side.
Competition and territory most likely. All sorts of alliances with back stabbing and drama that rivals anything on daytime TV.
Some of us are Doggy too.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d9..._Chihuahua.jpg
Why the hate? So he might of rigged a few contests that don't matter much to more than a tiny handful of people. The technical overclocking knowledge that the community fosters is something positive and useful - it makes my computer go faster, but I have no time for those who obsess over rankings and LN2.
:rofl::rofl::D:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by BustaH
that was really funny
"The one that hasn't done ANYTHING bad/wrong in his whole life and he FULLY lives in decency and honnor, THIS must be the one who will through the FIRST stone on those guys"
Go on......
statements like this i don't even get,
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Originally Posted by hipro5
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so if you have done something wrong, aaa hello - we;re all human
that means that we make mistakes and learn from them, at least some of us,.
so we shouldn't get upset or excited or point fingers at some people that were caught "red handed" cheating. We can't want more for our sport, or expect a little more from our champions...
why the hate??? they rigged a contest to win real cash prizes .... but hey your right it aint that bad ..... OoQuote:
Originally Posted by >HyperlogiK<
integrity matters .....
I might be way out of my lane here but we are all human and therefore make mistakes. Some little, some serious, but we are all guilty of some. We have all done things in life that we wish we could "take back" and undo. I am not by any means condoning the cheating that went on and I can not understand their motivation.
When the end of our lives come all we take with us is what we have done in life, some things we are proud of and some we hang our heads. The Egyptians learned that you can not take your personal wealth and possessions with you, only your reputation and deeds. As Hipro5 quoted when Jesus said "let yee who is without sin cast the first stone ...". No one here can fill those shoes so lets drop all the hate talk and turn this into an opportunity to clean up the mess that has become professional competitions.
And as to Vapor, I think it showed a lot of stones to step down for the good of the forum but he did no wrong. When someone says that they "might" do something who do you call, the thought police? By his own admission he went to bed before the cheating occurred so he had no way to stop it. What was he to do call the competition and say "skinnee might cheat" and slander his name before any crime took place? And even though I don't agree with all that he has done on the forum he has earned his Admin title and I respect that. FUGGER would not have put him in such a serious role if he didn't deserve it. So stop all the bashing and let him re-assume his Admin role. just sayin.
i agree... vapor needs to come back ! he tried his best to stop it and thats what matters :)
Come back vapor !
+1 with Hipro5...
i think that this is going to far without knowing all the details...this was a MSI event with FM support...they should be the ones taking the actions...not HWbot or XS...
did andre and the others brake a HWbot rule ? how can they brake a rule of hwbot since this event was not affiliated with Hwbot...
same goes for XS...
i see a lot of people talking about money etc...they have proof that this guys gave money for the results? no...
Most of these guys buy their own sh*t... now no one remembers how Andre goes throught 30+ cpus just to get a gem...from his pocket...
this situation can be looked in a lot of ways...
not defending anyone but until Andre comes forward like the others and all the details are known...is better to close this thread...
Vapor , did his job...he said what he tought...Skinee took the action..., what do people want from vapor? to smack Skinee in the head and handcuff him until the competition ended? mods give us the advice...from there...it's our responsability...vapor is a good Mod and everybody knows it...
all of them requested a result...what people should be asking , for what purpose they requested and if Andre knew what there were going to do with it...
it's not a secret that most top head overclockers share results to compare...not saying this is the case...but he was number 1...but until everything is clear...is better to close the thread and when all the facts are out...take the righ action...
right now is limp bizkit mode..."he said, she said"...trying to take heads out...
it's really sad...
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Originally Posted by Enoc
i see what your saying in some ways but if Fugger didn't act then it throws the site into disrepute and makes it look like a site that allows cheating so in the long run, fugger did whats best
BURN IT WITH FIRE! :flame:Quote:
Originally Posted by BustaH
edit: sorry, this thread is now useless and I couldn't find any other constructive way to add except to provide humor.
Remember George is in Greece and his English is pretty good but not perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by systemviper
I think he was paraphrasing the line from the Bible:
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
IE: Don't be so damned quiok to judge someone else unless you yourself are not guilty of comitting any transgressions.
At least thats my take on it..:D
You can do all the above you wrote BUT not judge the others when NOT knowing what's behind the whole sceen..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by systemviper
What they did was deffinatelly wrong as for me.....
WHY they did it though, it's another story..... ;)
The guys who submitted the scores where wrong by any means.
Andre by providing those scores to them with the same FM licence (for example), didn't he knew that something was going to happen?
So why he did it?
For money?... Heh, heh, heh.....I don't believe it!....Do you?..... :D
Clever old furt!.... :D :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I haven't heard any mention of money until this and my gut tells me that money wasn't involved..Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoc
Andre has more of that than any 10 of us and more likely any 100..:D
Hey, I have to earn my keep around here somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Sure isn't with any worlds records!:rofl:
Hey so is Skinee still banned for life? What's the story on him? I have't been keeping up
IIRC Skinnee, Hiwa, KJ, and extremetweaker.de are all receiving 1-year bans from XS. They and Andre and now life-time banned from HWBot (iirc), MoA, and Futuremark's results db.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
I think it's funny, anytime we have a situation like this, all the "perfect" people show up... The people who openly admit they would throw their own personal friends under the bus. Vapor did the stand-up thing, expressed his opinion and left the situation.
Vapor should not have been attacked like that.
my whole point was what does this have to do with a bible quote, if you just said what you just said above instead of quoting the bible then i would have understood...Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
It's simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by systemviper
GO back in time when I was "chasing" OPB for his benches.
READ carefully HOW MUCH HATE was "in the air" in those threads.
Do you happen to know how MANY "enemies" did I had that time? :D
What happent?
Nothing!
Life goes on and believe me, without much hate it passes easier and smother!.... ;)
Point someone, yes
Accuse him, yes.
Crucify him, No....
At HWBOT, all parties received a 1Y ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
The lifetime ban is only for AndreYang on XS.
People quote what they know obviously..the "good word" has many valid points if you want to relate them to any current situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by systemviper
Bottom line = caught-sentenced-serving ... yawn, and lets all move forward. If Im not mistaken there are some recently removed records to be broken again :clap:
A hacker was caught in a game, and there was a mixed debate over whether perm bans are necessary or not. My friend said this, and I think it very well applies here:
So the big question is, what's the motivation? What's at stake?Quote:
The reason why rules should be stricter in fictional leagues is because we play this game for fun. People cheat in olympics because there is a lot at stake there and people tend to use any possible solution to win. I do not think that this kind of mindset should be promoted in leagues that exist for pure enterntaiment. None of us get paid for this, so I do not see any reason why I should be going out of my way to win. If you don't want to play fair and have fun, then find another game to play. I think perm ban should be applied to hackers and murphy should be no exception. It might reduce the numbers of players, but it will keep the filth out, besides ,it doesn't happen often, so you don't have to worry about reducing the number of players. It might actually help to have stricter rules, since it will keep people away from hacking.
Seems like a lot was.