They are no thicker than an air cooled 480 that is double slot anyway. If your mobo has adequate space for 3 double slot PCIe cards then you'll be fine :)
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They are no thicker than an air cooled 480 that is double slot anyway. If your mobo has adequate space for 3 double slot PCIe cards then you'll be fine :)
Board PCIe x8/x16 slots differ. and to truely meet "Single Slot" spec you have to be under 5/8" thickness IIRC.
Im with EK-GTX480 block and backplate ,and everything runs perfect ,no shorting issues so far .Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
Sweet! I wonder if you could fit 4 GTX 480's with Aquacomputer waterblocks on an EVGA Classified E760. BTW, isn't the EK thin enough? (W/O the backplate probably)Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Could you be so kind to tell us about your load and idle temp, all I know of is the Danger Den 480 block on Guru3D. 59 degrees C at full load with Core Clock 900MHz, Shader Clock 1800MHz and Memory Clock 4400MHz! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nasko
See their review of the voltage tweak overclocked GTX 480!
My EK 480gtx is giving me 48C full load (kombustor), 29-30C idle at exactly the same clocks. Ambient is 20-21C.Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
In addition, I am sure it is possible to achieve 45-46 full load with a better mount. I definitely put too much thermal paste on because I REALLY did not want to have to do a remount.
What are your clock speeds? I'll guess there stock with those temps. So you are bout 10C above Ambient, have you tried Furmark? It takes my air cooled GTX 480 to 92C after 45min while kombustor seems like not as stressful peaking at around 60-65C full load. Those temps are the same if not better than Danger Den's GTX 480 water block, I would love to see you run Furmark and see if thing get hotter unless you already have.Quote:
Originally Posted by One_Hertz
Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
No I have not tried furmark because I find it to be quite unnecessary as I have not seen above 47C in any game.Quote:
Originally Posted by One_Hertz
You'd also have to look at the pump and radiator setups...IIRC the GURU3D setup was a bit mediocre.
Edit:
Found the only items they spec:
So for our test setup we created a dedicated liquid cooling loop for the GeForce GTX 480. We used a Black Ice dual 120mm radiator with two low RPM fans. We fire up the PC and check the idle temperatures and after a while we start to stress the GPU massively.
guru3d
I understand that Furmark would be consider overkill since games never push that hard, it's good for testing extreme thermal limits. When asked about your clock speeds I was wondering if your at stock clocks or if you have overclocked your pair of 480's, the EK blocks are not only looking to equal the Danger Den blocks but are also $120 dollars cheaper is purchasing two blocks. Do you have the see through acrylic or other top solid aluminum tops?Quote:
Originally Posted by One_Hertz
You're trying to compare results from two totally different testbeds using two different cards? :confused:
I'm assuming there will be a new thread when actual results arrive, cause this is going very far and to every direction... :lol:
I don't even consider Furmark a valid tool for testing a successful GPU overclock. I can for instance run it forever without an error. Then, when playing Crysis I see artifacts or triangular tears in L4D2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
the cheaper is the Ek one. Appears to be good enough, and a lot better than air.
Worth getting one? my wallet is empty already...
No, I'm going to pick a random post of mine somewhere in this thread and slap all the results in without anyone knowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar
:p:
Why are u posting and not testing...? Go back to work... :cord:
:rofl:
The thing is, there is no thermal sensor on the voltage regulators. This means that I (along with almost every person with a WCed 480gtx) am blissfully unaware how hot my vregs run. With this in mind, I do not believe it is the best idea to be stressing the card beyond the normal amounts. If I knew for sure that my vregs were fine, then I would test it with anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
And what Vapor said. You can't exactly compare different setups just like that as I have a lot more rad power in my loop and my water rises only a few degrees above ambient.
I have a single 480GTX not a pair. My block has an acrylic top.
I have two triple rads with six 1500rpm fans on them for my CPU + GPU with a single Switech 655 variable pump making everything flow.Quote:
Originally Posted by mechman
Have you checked what temps you can see with Everest? On my GTX470, I have 4 temps:
GPU = 46c @ 99% load with FaH GPU3
GPU Diode = 43c
GPU Ambient = 38c (maybe on backside?)
GPU Memory = 42c
No same card (GTX 480) different water block, are you taking about the difference between two different GTX 480's? They will vary slighty 1-3 degrees perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
I consider any card running stock voltage (1.135) to be normal, what do you consider to be normal limits?Quote:
Originally Posted by One_Hertz
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAQuote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
u know i asked dean this same question...
I beg'd him on the ATI cards... let us have the gold back.
Because the gold actually looks better then the nickle when you have a red or black pcb.
*sigh*
Maybe Tim can reintroduce them again?
The ATI blocks would look pure bling in gold again.
And gold doesn't react to anything.
i'll lynch ya.. or maybe take you to some place where u will get food poisoning again.. :XQuote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
u know how painful it was to go though 8 pages of clutter... >.<
Yeah, *sigh*, I actually thought of gold plating the blocks myself. Here's a site that I referred to on my (dead) thread, http://www.goldplating.com/Products/...-brushgold.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Yeah so I can either use the "pen" or "gel" method lol. This seems like a rip-off, but hey you never know!
Your not serious are you?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
So many pages... so lil' text! :shocked:
The results will also be broken up in multiple posts and only those equipped with the proper decoder ring can decipher the data!
(Send me a decoder ring plez...)
mashed potatoes and gravy
haha, or I just get the data from someone who tries to get all the data together and posting it xDQuote:
Originally Posted by zeroibis
tested on stock card at 1920x1200 32msaa on furmark is 95 with everything onQuote:
Originally Posted by One_Hertz
and kombuster is at 77C
thats cause furmark doesnt stress the mem enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by cx-ray
run 3dmark 06 SM3 test looping it..
cool so for u no prob.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasko
well i am waiting for eddy to come back from his holiday
to talk to my distro for the screw replacement
and will check again with the new rmaed card
not planning to test it with my 2nd card
any hints of a single slot IO bracket? ie. http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=207
I'm quite sure I was wrong on which blocks were single slot by not listing enough of them that make it under the slot width... gonna have to bust out the calipers and verify.
evga is selling them for gtx480 at their online storeQuote:
Originally Posted by xkon
We also sell a single slot cover.
Could be also shipped in an envelope to save some shipping costs :)
Nice. Considering that there is no place in the US that sells the Aquacomputer waterblock at the moment, I'd have to order the blocks and IO Bracket from overseas which = more $$$. I've almost got my heart set on a pair of the Aquacomputer blocks, but still holding out due to availability. Now just waiting on results so I can pounce when the time is ripe!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoggy
i'll drink :toast: and smoke :bounces: to that. Battle of the Blocks!Quote:
Originally Posted by xkon
Talk about anticipation, this thread has something in the area of 31,320 views!
Not your best video Shoggy, the Aquaero video kicks it's arse. :yepp:;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoggy
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1483/secret.png
I love teases! :rofl:
damn you vapor! youve really built up my curiosity now! :D
I smell fake :D
@Waterlogged: that video is very very old... unfortunately we do not have it in a higher resolution :(
Thats not a tease, that's not even useful. I'd totally disregard that chart, that't not how Skinnee results usually look like. & Besides if I was leaking real information about someone elses progress i'd expect them to be mad as hell!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Don't get too worked up, ell. Vapor works with skinnee, so you can guess they are in collusion to keep us guessing ;)
oh.. :) my mistake. still doesn't help anyone. no one likes a tease. PAITENCE people!
Wouldn't consider it a tease. All it tells us: One object performs better than the others...
WELL DUH :D.
Wow, one block almost doesn't compare at all to the best performing block. With my luck that would be the block I end up purchasing if I wasn't to wait for the results.
I thought I saw the answer to this earlier, but are you guys waiting for the HK block to be received and tested to post your current results?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Reshooting the Koolance video and trying out my tweak theories, not waiting for the HK to arrive.
hooray! the ball is rolling! 1 = suxorist of the bunch? i thought the green line would be koolance since it's got microchannels on the vrms, but the performance of the micro channels on the gpu is not soo gooder than the others, weird. aquacomputer /w 10 since it's got microchannels and mad flow?
blue Bitspower flow = everything it seems VRMs hot, red dangerden good vrm sucky gpu, green koolance microchannels on both gpu and vrm but flow sufferage, cyan ek overall good because gpu cooling outdoes vrm, purple aquacomputer with nice mix of microchannels and decent flow through system.
brand loyalty and droolfactor plays a part in all that.
How much would you guys hate me if I told you that graph had nothing to do with GPU block results? :rofl:
A scoring system like that will potentially be implemented for the GPU Block review, but that chart is from my upcoming TIM review :lol:
I already bought my blocks the first week the 480's were released so for me the wait isn't a big deal. I have first hand knowledge on how good the Koolance blocks are so something would really need to blow my socks off in order for me to go through the hassle of selling then replacing my blocks with something new. I think I really lucked out with buying the Koolance blocks. First Koolance product I have ever bought and I am extremely happy. With that being said I am still anxious as all get out to see the results :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Vapor, your having just way to much fun. And I hear Skinnee laughing in the background too.
Nevermind, I just bought the GTX 580.....
I'm most interested in the EK and Danger Den water blocks, the price difference between them if you buy two is $120 dollars! :eek:
I put my 470's under Koolance. Good temps.
Well, I finally pulled the trigger on my new system last night.....went with all EK blocks.
EK Supreme HF (Nickel/Acetal) for CPU, EK FC480 (Nickel/Acetal) + EK Backplate for VGA,
and EK FC RE3 (Nickel/Acetal) for the Rampage III MB.
Here's hoping the EK block holds it's own during the testing. :)
If it holds its own in your system, then it fills its purpose...Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulwind
Well if the EK Supreme HF is any indication EK's GPU water blocks should do quite well! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulwind
My ek 470 blocks exceeded my own expectations
I purchased two EK 480 for SLI and one EK 285 for PhysX. Everything on a quad radiator and the temps never go over 50C (900/1800/2100, 1150mV).
You just became my best friend, what quad radiator are you using? You got 50C or lower for two GTX480's overclocked to 900/1800/2100, 1150mV, amazing!! :eek: What pump are you running? I purchased HWLab's GTX480 quad radiator for GPU only loop and am planning on getting the DCC 3.25 18 Watt with EK X-Top V2, still have more to buy before I actually get it flowing. I'm very impressed with what I've been hearing about EK's 480 water blocks, looks like I'm not buying the Danger Den's expensive ($159.95 each) water blocks, that's a huge saving considering the savings when buying two of them! Since when could you run a dedicated PhysX videocard that doesn't match the 480 cards?Quote:
Originally Posted by 0xdeadbeef
I'm running everything with an HW Lab GTX480 with Sanyo Deny San Aces and and a laing 325 pump. The temps are with 20-22C ambient approximately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
The Hindenburg just flew over my house (okay, a FedEx truck pulled up) and discarded a package...
http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...80_boxshot.jpg http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...0_contents.jpg http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...0_prodshot.jpg http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...TX480_base.jpg
http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...internals1.jpg http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...internals2.jpg http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...internals3.jpg http://www.skinneelabs.com/assets/im...X480_base3.jpg
Nice Skinnee. Can't wait to see some results...
What fans and at what RPM are they running at?Quote:
Originally Posted by 0xdeadbeef
A bit ugly in my opinion. And the internals seem almost identical to the Aquagrafx 480 =)Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Yeah well I've changed my mind on the EK (that's including the backplate), I think I'm gonna go with the Aquagrafx 480. Seriously, it's exactly the kind of color contrast that my build requires. Although a gold edition would be EVEN better xD
BTW Viper, I don't mind seeing you post "irrelevant" relative performance scores. Doesn't matter if it includes/excludes performance or w.e, but at least label it xD Are you seriously trying to get us all mad?!?!?
Come to think of it, the two blocks (Aquacomputer and Heatkiller) are very similar. I mean just look at what they use for letting water in and out.
The AC,
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4...gtx480base.jpg
And the Heatkiller,
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8...gtx480base.jpg
WOW, really hard to tell the two apart! - Notice the shape of the contact area. Same shaped GPU area, same opening for the capacitor, and even the SAME DESIGN (look at the MEM contact points)
Here's the Aquacomputer, I think xD
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/1...internals3.jpg
And the HeatKiller,
http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/3...internals2.jpg
See the resemblance? Yeah very similar indeed, take a look at where the water enters and exits, wow same shape too I'd say.
Both look the same when you look at the VRM's too. Although here we see some difference. First the Heatkiller has different way of cooling the VRM's with several different paths for water to go through. So as water enters the VRM area, it splits, and when it's moving to the GPU, it also splits.
http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/9...internals3.jpg
As for the Aquacomputer block, a bit more "plain". Though the water seems to "stay longer" in the VRM area.
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7...internals2.jpg
Take note of the grooves effectively forcing water to travel through several paths just like the Heatkiller to cool the VRM's more effectively. But see how the two differ. And here's another look:
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9...afxgtx4803.jpg
My money's on the AC, it definitely looks better and should perform about the same.
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1...80prodshot.jpg
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8...80prodshot.jpg
**Switched to the Regular AC block, can't find it anywhere + It's a more fair comparison**
Not to deter people from buying one of these beautiful blocks but apparently the GTX 485 is in the works...
http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/7...iggerholes.jpg
Though this could all be a rumour, I seriously doubt it. I mean one core is already disabled on the GTX 480 for goodness sakes, this should be expected!
Best of all new revision (B1), so much cooler running = MORE OVERCLOCKING POTENTIAL!!
Now I wonder if one of these beautiful blocks will support the GTX 485, hopefully nothing drastic changes and we will be (hopefully) able to use the same block, though the thermal paste will be a lil' longer (for the new core).
*sigh, This is why I shouldn't wait 8 months for a GPU to upgrade to*
If I buy now, I'll regret it. If I buy later, I'll regret getting Ati's Southern Island cards...
**Source** http://www.kitguru.net/components/gr...y-in-the-sack/
Here's an interesting review that came out from bit-tech regarding the Inno3D GeForce GTX 480 iChill Black Series (BP Waterblock).
Apparently BP's got the worst performance in cooling the GTX 480!
"Graphics card (reference) TEMP C
GTX 480 LCS Danger Den 49
GTX 480 LCS Inno3D iChill 57
GeForce GTX 480 95"
So yeah, danger den is probably somewhere up there on Vapor's chart. I'm certain that the BP is down below. WOW, I was actually thinking of getting the BP block for all it's bling (Mirror Finish).
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/3...ageviewphp.jpg
Got to admit though, it sure looks nice though! Check out that reflection.
Because the 480 wasn't pricy enough!Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
You act surprised, Nvidia's R&D department is always ahead of what's being offered. I wouldn't be surprised if the 512SP Fermi model was offered in 1 1/2 to two years from now, but a 1 1/2 to two years from then there will be the 1024SP Fermi! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
Isn't that a picture of stock slot cover vs. EVGA's high flow slot cover?
Yes it is.
Also, concerning the AC vs. WC topic, take a look at their 5870 and earlier blocks and you'll see that AC is just plain out copying WC's design, something I wouldn't have expected of them...
Yes pic is probably the EVGA GTX 470 SuperClocked+ w/ High Flow Bracket and Backplate.Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/enlarge...P3-1475-AR&I=5
LOL thats a high flow bracket you can fit to any 470/480. and there might be a 485, but i reckon a 490 is more likely (dual 470 card) that will distract the public from there terrible tmsc yield. 512sp wouldn't be an incredible difference, a die shrink to reach 1ghz under water would be more useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
also judging from past
newer revision
bye bye volterra ..
heck ati also doing the same
Yeah like I said "though this could all be a rumour". I've been doing some research on kitguru and it seems that they are very unreliable. But a 512SP model will come out for sure. Maybe in the form of a Dual GPU solution?Quote:
Originally Posted by ell
as in dual 256SP's?Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
maybe but I think single 512SP is more likely and I highly doubt that any manufacturer will build a dual 512SP card on 40nm, think about it, that would be a 500w+ card, probably pushing 600w when overclocked and it would probably be longer than my Antec 300
Remember ATI's troubles when they did the die shrink (HDHD 2900XT anyone), they to had problems with high temps and performance issues! The difference is Nvidia has the temp issue but not so much the performance issue if you go by very immature drivers being beta first gen drivers. There's more hidden performance in Fermi! I'll squash that rumor myself right here right now!Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
Dual 470 will perform probably same as 5970 but will use more power/dissipate more heat and/or have 10% slower performance, so i'm guessing - unlikely. Rather imho worth waiting for next revision of fermi arch with smaller size tech used for gpu cristals and cards (possibly even dual) made from those using less power, dumping less heat and having higher clocks or more pipelines - probably expectedly very good cards, but at least year from now ..
There is more hidden performance in Fermi, I agree. I mean look at the performance boost you get by overclocking the beast. That's why I say that a 512SP model is inevitable. I just hope I won't regret getting the GTX 480 now, although I'm sure I will anyways lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
Yeah but you aren't looking at the facts! AC's 480 blocks came out almost a month before WC's. And even if AC "copied" some of WC's ideas, at least they refined it's design. I mean look at how plain the GPU area is on the WC compared to the AC. Whether it offers better cooling performance or not, you can't ignore the fact that they did put their own flair to the block. The WC block looks so plain and ugly while the AC is slim and simply beautiful (especially the nickel plated version).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickel020
I gotta hand it to AC, they really have made an outstanding block this time around. Their 5870 block was no slouch either, coming 2nd to the EK in cooling performance is an amazing feat in my opinion.
jumping to conclusions are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
come on skinnee get a move on mate! :ROTF: got £150 for water blocks and I need to know which company to give it too! :slash:
yeah, I need to know if I should spend the extra £40 which I'm not willing to pay at the moment for an aquacomputer block over the EK one
Moving to the HK later this afternoon for 3 mounts, first couple tweaks really didn't net anything. Last bit I'm going to do is take 2-3 blocks and use TIM for all versus thermal pads.
now thats what I call thorough!Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
chil controller..not volterraQuote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
Heh, not really. I was referring to http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/wa...d-5870-oc.html 5870 Waterblock Roundup xDQuote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
EK came out on top I believe while AC came a lil' after but in my opinion it was second with amazing temps compared to the XSPC Razer.
Now if I were to predict which would come out on top... I'd say:
Swiftech - Due to the GPU only being cooled
Koolance - Great design, I hate Koolance products though
AC - Amazing design very similar to WC's
WC - For being so late in the game (must be great)
EK - 5870 block came out on top, no reason for this one to perform any worse
Danger Den - Not sure about this one, it performs pretty well
BP - Saw review of this on Guru3d and it performed almost 10C worse than DD
**Order is subject to change xD**
EDIT
AC > WC, changed their orders a bit. Same with the Koolance block.
You know that there is already an GTX480 Roundup?Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/of...pdate-2-a.html
Thanks for the heads up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xandrus
Skinnee is testing several more GPU blocks than the test there. So, I would advise all of those that are waiting to purchase based on Skinnee's results to continue waiting. :)
This review is permanently extended by new blocks while every new entry is directly available after testing. They do not wait to have them all together ;)
June 18th is just 5 days away... :wasntme:
Nice, I can't believe I missed that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xandrus
On another note. This is why you should NEVER buy Koolance products.
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5...2757510.th.jpg
Looks great from the outside, but appearances can be deceiving.
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7...2758134.th.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4...2758134.th.jpg
http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/5...2758134.th.jpg
*Pics straight from extreme.pcgameshardware.de/offizielle-pcghx-wasserkuehlungstests/101527-roundup-gtx-480-wasserkuehler-im-vergleich-update-2-a.html
What's your source for those photos, blazarcher? And do you have permission to post them here?
(leaving it to skinnee as to whether he wants this cluttering up his thread)
thumbnail and link to the source plz (and no, not your imageshack account).
Yeah, different way of doing it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoggy
Hey blazarcher calm down on the old slander there. :shakes: I use koolance motherboard blocks and I find their communication, quality, delivery and service of a very high standard and alot of people are happy with them. They also participate very actively on this forum when it comes to helping and new products unlike 90% of wc companies.
also I cant believe http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/me...gross2-002.jpg is the included backplate!
That german roundup is literally no where near as thorough as Skinnees testing either, not a deciding factor for me at all.
Wooh! Check out that warping!
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2...2763484.th.jpg
I'm disappointed, expected much better from WC!
Congrats Shoggy, you guys came out with an amazing block that just came out on top in my opinion. I believe the Koolance just barely takes the edge in cooling performance but in everything else, the AC excels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoggy
Some people were talking about AC copying WC's design, whatever the case, you guys managed to beat WC. The design of the block is absolutely extraordinary, very beautiful, and will definitely be my next block.
Now to get them across almost 4000 miles, now that's a challenge xD
Thorough or not, you can't ignore the horrid state of that Koolance block. I have nothing against Koolance, I mean they came out on top in terms of cooling performance. I just don't like the quality of their blocks, more specifically, the quality that they come in.Quote:
Originally Posted by ell
After a thorough clean, I'm sure I'd be happy with a Koolance block. But in my opinion, AC looks better and is the block that I will be going for.
And on a side note. I'm not going with the EK because the plastic (blue) washer things that they include ruin the look of the block because they tend to stick out of the block.
That Koolance block looks fine except for the algea or dye or stuff built up on it. Have you ever run a GPU block for a year and opened it up running distilled and a biocide yet?
Possibly not. We know nothing about what the posters pics were running in the loop. The block hasn't been out very long so the poster really did something very wrong with their liquid.
And PLEASE make the pics smaller next time, no need to scroll for that pic.
Yeah I'll turn them pics to thumbnails lol. And about running a GPU block for a year, I wouldn't expect all that grease to result. And imagine running the GPU for a year starting like that. By the end of the year it will be a lot worse compared to what you would get if you used another block.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conumdrum
BTW, the poster was the one that did the GTX 480 roundup. So how can you explain this block being the only one with all that grease??