i just meant its not really a fair comparison to OPP and FUGGERs screenie :) Relatively speaking those are more impressiveQuote:
Originally posted by TheDude
Yeah...it's getting to the point of diminishing returns on the super cooling.
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i just meant its not really a fair comparison to OPP and FUGGERs screenie :) Relatively speaking those are more impressiveQuote:
Originally posted by TheDude
Yeah...it's getting to the point of diminishing returns on the super cooling.
OK, I got ya. I was just thinking with all this supercooling lately, the gain is starting to diminish in relation to the efforts. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
i just meant its not really a fair comparison to OPP and FUGGERs screenie :) Relatively speaking those are more impressive
Well relatively speaking, it is...getting twice as cold doesnt give twice the overclock...but cascades seem to do a good 200 MHz extra over 404A setups so that is still a mile advantage even though the percentage is minimal.
I wouldn't say there are more impressive, because we all know that going from -20 to -50 make alot of difference but going fromQuote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
i just meant its not really a fair comparison to OPP and FUGGERs screenie :) Relatively speaking those are more impressive
-60 to -100 doesn't give the same speed jump.
I also belive that TOM's motherboard is the limiting factor right now.
*edit* We posted at the same time.. seems that we agree :toast:
I was thinking in terms of the next step..after that 200mhz gain from the cascade.....is it worth going colder and for how much gain? Lots of effort...minimal gain, if any.Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
Well relatively speaking, it is...getting twice as cold doesnt give twice the overclock...but cascades seem to do a good 200 MHz extra over 404A setups so that is still a mile advantage even though the percentage is minimal.
Quote:
Originally posted by Pejsen
I wouldn't say there are more impressive, because we all know that going from -20 to -50 make alot of difference but going from
-60 to -100 doesn't give the same speed jump.
I also belive that TOM's motherboard is the limiting factor right now.
*edit* We posted at the same time.. seems that we agree :toast:
Yes, the mobo used is an erly IC7 G version 1.0 I have tested it with an 2.4Ghz at that time it was getting unstable around 296
:toast:
Tom, What are your Temps after a 30min full load at those Mhz?
Quote:
Originally posted by TheDude
4.85MHZ! Freakin awesome man! :eek:
:toast:
wow nice :banana: how stable is that speed too? stable enough for a 31k 3dmark 2001 run? :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
if thats liquid hydrogen, if that leaks.....run like you-know-what
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=45044
one of you should get that, liquid helium cooler:thumbsup:
Chilly made a mistake, me means liquid helium. That is like the compressor I own.
OPP..
is this weekend that we will see ur fx on a cascade..and maybe the xt too? :) would love to see that...both on 2k1 and 2k3 :)
_zZz_
I'm going down there today, Promy head on the CPU cascade for easy mounting and good contact.Quote:
Originally posted by _zZz_
OPP..
is this weekend that we will see ur fx on a cascade..and maybe the xt too? :) would love to see that...both on 2k1 and 2k3 :)
_zZz_
Video cascade needs a Baker head attached, hopefully CC will do it today.
OPP
oooooooh this is exciting! Think opp will hit 31k? :banana:
I don't see why I shouldn't be able to ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
oooooooh this is exciting! Think opp will hit 31k? :banana:
OPP
lol..nice backup score OPP..guess that ur other 1st visit to cc got something to start...
put ur fx and the xt under -90ºC..and....and....and...
we'll have to wait to see!
hate to try to guess something I'm not good at...:P
_ZZz_
wow I would unpublish your lower score and publish your best one. even more bragging rights that way and it shows whos the best ;)
That score is a Nature bug :D Worthless:D I did it at home.
I think the cascade rig should at least buy 300 more points though. With some good luck I'm hopeing for another 500 plus.
OPP
How many more MHz on the cpu and gpu are you expecting? ah didnt think about the nature bug on your near 31k run :D
With GPU cascade I'm hoping for 650, I'll probably end up with 634 though. My setup now does 627 in 3D01.
CPU I have no Idea,, my setup will run 3D up to 254, after that the unlocked AGP clock is to high for it. So i'm hopeing for 254x12.5 = 3175 Mhz.
Then again I may run into problems and get nothing accomplished:D
OPP
630's shouldn't be that tough....I ran 621 through Car Low a few times at only -40C.
Slightly off topic, that FX-51 is just about tapped out at 3100...Even the suicide screenshot guys are only getting 3300. SO, if the FX nets you a 31K score...quite nice, let's look at the EE. We see the EE on the ORB at 29.4K and 29K at 4100-4300mHz. Both at XT clocks under 610. The suicide screenshot guys are pushing the EE up north of 5100mHz, even 5300mHz. It's not unreasonable to say a 5ghz EE may be benchable. And IMO, a 5ghz EE @ 630/455 with winxp, 8.1 and 6396's should beat the FX at 3gHz. If the FX can go 3100-3200 it should be able to keep the top spot, but what we really need now is for someone to e-mail the Japanese guys and tell them to bench 3D!!
C
Hey OPP,Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
With GPU cascade I'm hoping for 650, I'll probably end up with 634 though. My setup now does 627 in 3D01.
CPU I have no Idea,, my setup will run 3D up to 254, after that the unlocked AGP clock is to high for it. So i'm hopeing for 254x12.5 = 3175 Mhz.
Then again I may run into problems and get nothing accomplished:D
OPP
I'm doing that vdd volt mod you showed me Wednesday night first. I thought my SK8V was limited to 1.52 volts on the core but I didn't realize there are two places to raise the CPU volts on these MBDs. For that reason I am waiting on the vcore mod. Thanks for your help BTW.
What is a good voltage to run my Corsair at to get about 240x2 @ 5-2-2-2 without too much danger of frying them?
:toast:
Macci...
I liked your other avatar better.;)
Good luck with the cascade run OPP :toast:
I'm sure you will pull some amazing numbers (as usual) :D
627GPU with R507? insane GPU :D
how much volts are you putting thru it?
Err... what happened to that avatar. :confused: :D
OPP: Whats the 2nd stage on that Cascade?
How long until someone builds a TurboPLL?
8-)
Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
Err... what happened to that avatar. :confused: :D
OPP: Whats the 2nd stage on that Cascade?
He probably got tired of his old one. I liked his avator of the cpu covered in ice and also one showing -100c :slobber: also what do you think of my avator? :D
You eastern Euros really have a thing for the bigger women... :stick: :smileysex
I think ur avatar is... BIG :P
_zZz_
I'd rather hit one of CTgilles avatars :P
Going to agree there. :)
But rumor has it big women are more fun when it counts. ;)
lol
LMAO:D
btw, i'm wondering what an FX-51 will do with next gen video boards? lol, at 2400mhz FX is being bottlenecked by raddy pro at max stock cooled clocks:D
gotta love these new AMD chips:)
HP,
newegg has 1.8Ghz 3200+'s @ $218 if i remember correctly. going to check out one of these sir?
Nah, those are the 512K cache chips. Made a post about it back @ FM.
What I am waiting for, is the .09u 1000MHz HT San-Diegos. Holy crap.
I mean your chip at what... 3xLDT there with a NF3 150 and 2500MHz gets 25.6K, looks like 25.9 - 26K with a bit of refinement.
This chip defaults to 2.6GHz, could run 4xLDT or better on the NF3 250, and is dual channel but has even less latency because it doesnt need ECC. Thats just cash.
When that thing makes its arrival, my wallet is going on a diet. :P
yeah that's true.
But i'm expecting to see some boost when nForce3 250 Pro arrives so that's before SanDiego:)
I'm scared to think about the potential of these new chips scheduled to arrive in '04, i'm really scared:D but then Intel will have there Prescotts at 3.4Ghz maybe by then:D
Yeah, who needs a George Foreman grill when you have one of those. :)Quote:
Originally posted by QuadDamage
but then Intel will have there Prescotts at 3.4Ghz maybe by then:D
They don't make any more heat than our current overclocked P4's...Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
Yeah, who needs a George Foreman grill when you have one of those. :)
Under a good phase change system I think the chilly temps will allow for some NICE overclocks...I think we will see 5Ghz easy.
Your overclocked P4 runs at 68c idle with an aftermarket heatsink? At 2.8GHz?
I bet with phase change they will show their true colors though, as I bet the clockspeed is limited more via heat than process refinement. By January (or Feb) perhaps one of these will arrive to an XS member ready to put it through the paces.
Is this a typo? That's 154.40 Farenheit! You actually run it at this temp? Man, shut that thing down and put some cooling on it.:eek:Quote:
Your overclocked P4 runs at 68c idle with an aftermarket heatsink?
Well....it's had a nice burn-in anyway. :D
Reminds me of the Celeron 400 I ran without a heatsink, it passed 115c for about a day straight.
It does 500mhz at stock volts now, where it used to take 2.1v ish to get 475mhz :rolleyes:
That aside, tomarrow I play with a heat gun and some Xbox CPU's.
Yeah where is this 68c coming from? Did someone not use a TIM at all on the stock Intel heatsink?
from here. it's a 2.8Ghz Prescott. I've lost the link though.
I'm really looking forward to a 5Ghz Prescott, if the extreme cold lets it bench at that speed of course, one assumes the smaller process will let it go higher and it's not a dud. Twice as much cache as Northwood and perhaps a slight kick from the extra instructions ? FUGGER will let us know in January hopefully. Intel have been tweaking it for so long you'd expect the first steppings to be pretty good, although fiarly hot.
Looking forward to twin channel AMD using "normal" memory, though I am now confused on the timescales for this and whether 90nm is still on for Q2 still ?
The comment on the new r420 / nv40 being able to be backed up by these new processors to really let fly I agree with totally. My mouth is watering February / March is going to be a fun couple of months graphics wise.
Maybe I'll break 25k myself with my cheapo air / water cooled rig ( no radiator, lots of duct tape ).
Fun, but expesnive, times are ahead :D
Regards
Andy
"Maybe I'll break 25k myself with my cheapo air / water cooled rig ( no radiator, lots of duct tape )."
Good luck, its pretty hard but people have done that already. take a v modded 9800xt at like 520/450 clocks and an athlon fx at like 230X11 for 2.53GHz dual channel in sync at tight timings and 25k could happen all on air :D
Buy an ATI ...... arrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhh :DQuote:
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
"Maybe I'll break 25k myself with my cheapo air / water cooled rig ( no radiator, lots of duct tape )."
Good luck, its pretty hard but people have done that already. take a v modded 9800xt at like 520/450 clocks and an athlon fx at like 230X11 for 2.53GHz dual channel in sync at tight timings and 25k could happen all on air :D
I'd rather pour liquid nitrogen down the front of my underpants ...
Ok, good cards, but not as much fun as nvidia, I have had a new house extension put on just to keep all my beloved Det drive versions in.
Regards
Andy
Quote:
Originally posted by zakelwe
Ok, good cards, but not as much fun as nvidia, I have had a new house extension put on just to keep all my beloved Det drive versions in.
Yea nothing like some good clock throttling in the middle of a bench run to have some fun...lol
I absolutely hated the 5900U... really...i was almost happy when it died. Give me the straight forward ATi any day.
You could have sold the card to me! :)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by zakelwe
[B]I'm really looking forward to a 5Ghz Prescott, if the extreme cold lets it bench at that speed of course, one assumes the smaller process will let it go higher and it's not a dud. Twice as much cache as Northwood and perhaps a slight kick from the extra instructions ? FUGGER will let us know in January hopefully. Intel have been tweaking it for so long you'd expect the first steppings to be pretty good, although Fairly hot .
Looking forward to twin channel AMD using "normal" memory, though I am now confused on the timescales for this and whether 90nm is still on for Q2 still ?
The comment on the new r420 / nv40 being able to be backed up by these new processors to really let fly I agree with totally. My mouth is watering February / March is going to be a fun couple of months graphics wise.
Maybe I'll break 25k myself with my cheapo air / water cooled rig ( no radiator, lots of duct tape ).
Fun, but expesnive, times are ahead :D
Regards
We can only hope that intel provices a better heat path within the chip. This will be the limiting factor on how high it will go and Just how mush cooling it will take to get to a -100 core....
it can be done without gpu v-mods and stock cooled AMD/XT without any problem.Quote:
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
"Maybe I'll break 25k myself with my cheapo air / water cooled rig ( no radiator, lots of duct tape )."
Good luck, its pretty hard but people have done that already. take a v modded 9800xt at like 520/450 clocks and an athlon fx at like 230X11 for 2.53GHz dual channel in sync at tight timings and 25k could happen all on air :D
Well the CPU Cascade ran great but I maxed out around 3.1 gigs.Quote:
Originally posted by macci
Good luck with the cascade run OPP :toast:
I'm sure you will pull some amazing numbers (as usual) :D
627GPU with R507? insane GPU :D
how much volts are you putting thru it?
The best 3D runs where at my max FSB which was 256x12 3074MHz.
As far as the gpu, the self contained Cascade that was bought on e-bay just didn't work, we put a Baker block on it but the thing just couldn't hold temps.
I had to bench with my 404a Baker block GPU cooler,, 2.23volts Macci:)
Next trip out I'll just use one of the spare evaps off of the CPU cascade, when sitting there doing nothing while the other evap is runing on the cpu, the spare is reading -100c. I'll have to ask CaptainCascade to slap a baker block on it. This is the only hope for higher clocks on this 9800.
OPP
Well I'm useing 3.25v with no problems. Your mem should be stable at 240 with 3.1v I would guess.Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
Hey OPP,
What is a good voltage to run my Corsair at to get about 240x2 @ 5-2-2-2 without too much danger of frying them?
OPP
And loose the heatspreaders if you have not already:D
Nice 30.8k Opp :toast:
Xbit have said you deserve the title of Overclocker of the Year, by the way, here http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/d...214150549.html
quoting the OCZ press release for the rest of the info.
JC, yes, I agree the clock throttling is annoying, it happens on my 5700U as well. It's good in that you don't get a hard lock up , but you have to wonder how close to the actual hard lock up it actually goes, maybe not near enough ? I think it is a portent for the future though, sadly.
Regards
Andy
I think there should be an option to disable clock throttling. also:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7332243
wow opp is now at 30833 marks. He gained 75MHz to the cpu and 300 more marks! I have one question, is car chase low details supposed to be cpu intensive? I noticed it did not increase while high details did alot! You are the first and still only 30k guy and it looks like you could be 30k for a long time. Macci might get 30k, hes 9 marks shy but your still 800 ahead of him :)
yea 163 car high...no EE is going to get near that any time soon! Not that there is anything wrong with lobby high either...191 :)
Yeah, no sheet. 162 is um, insane.
Wow that thing is a fkn monster. Wonder if hes going to hit 31K before anyone else touches 30.
Guess thats the downside to getting an EE. ;)
AMD for car, P4 EE for lobby ?? what's the point weighting for car high and lobby high per fps ?
It only seems a short time ago that getting 130 for car high was fantastic.
Regards
Andy
Quote:
Originally posted by Hallowed
Yeah, no sheet. 162 is um, insane.
Wow that thing is a fkn monster. Wonder if hes going to hit 31K before anyone else touches 30.
Guess thats the downside to getting an EE. ;)
possible. and it could be many months before anyone catches up to opp too. He set the bar sky high :banana:
oh don't count us out yet:D
wow nice ram bandwith! what cpu are you using and how fast? youll also need a really high clocked 9800xt too. I dont remember but heard last year only one guy broke 20k marks and no one else could till several months into the year 2003. Now history repeated itself with only opp having 30k
On the Corsair?:confused:Quote:
Originally posted by G H Z
And loose the heatspreaders if you have not already:D
Macci is the 2nd guy to reach 30k with 30467
P4EE ES @18x252 1:1, P4C800, Connect3d R9800XT @625/455, HyperX PC3000 2x256MB @252 1:1 2-2-2-5 Dual Cascade Cooling (CPU -89, GPU -84) www.akiba-pc.com
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7341549
cheers for him :banana:
Yep very nice, I wonder where he got the 3.6 P4 EE.
OPP
Well, time for 31K+ now.
You guys are faster than a rabbit. LOL
i saw some review that had a 3.2EE with unlocked multipliers all the way up to 28x... i have no idea why theres two versions, if there infact, are, but im guessing thats what macci's has.
So it could just be a 3.2 that does 4500 MHz then, interesting.Quote:
Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
i saw some review that had a 3.2EE with unlocked multipliers all the way up to 28x... i have no idea why theres two versions, if there infact, are, but im guessing thats what macci's has.
OPP
i think so. knowing macci, i wouldnt doubt he could do it. ;)
Well it's definitly a different chip from the first EE he used.
OPP
really nice going -
// he|| of a chip.. Whicked overtake regarding Fuggers...
(waiting for Opp´s countermove ;-) )
Yea I just have to think of one:DQuote:
Originally posted by bias_hjorth
(waiting for Opp´s countermove ;-) )
Well there is a couple of things I want to try this weekend.
OPP
such as?
you could always do what charlie is planning on doing, and do an ln2 run. 3.25ghz?
also, i would think your gonna test the cat 3.10's?
I have a new bios that is giveing a couple extra points in lobby and other tests. Should help. Plus I want to try cooling the 9800 better, do some 650 Mhz benching:DQuote:
Originally posted by pik-ard v1.1
such as?
you could always do what charlie is planning on doing, and do an ln2 run. 3.25ghz?
also, i would think your gonna test the cat 3.10's?
3.1s won't do anything for me in 2001 I don't think. I'll leave that OS alone.
OPP
650? :slobber: whats the highest youve gotten your 9800XT? (even if it crashed in a benchmark).Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I have a new bios that is giveing a couple extra points in lobby and other tests. Should help. Plus I want to try cooling the 9800 better, do some 650 Mhz benching:D
3.1s won't do anything for me in 2001 I don't think. I'll leave that OS alone.
OPP
3.1's? your already using the 3.1's... do you mean the 3.10's?
apparently, there would be a 3.0EE available
I dream or that's real??
http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/36-GP/Mitsuhiro-34-3620.gif
That chip has a 14 multiplier though...obviously another ES.
a link where there is a crash testQuote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
That chip has a 14 multiplier though...obviously another ES.
http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/aguri...0ges_test1.htm
http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/36-GP/36-GP-TABLE.htm
subject except : 32s at Pi 1M@only 2463MHz with a FX-51 :eek:
http://www012.upp.so-net.ne.jp/ohij2/32-246.gif
interesting! you gonna try 650 core now? this could put you first place in 2003 at like 9800 :D oh so close. for 2001 if you get 3.25GHz on the cpu and 650 on the card you could dish out like 32k marks :drool:
Could be a 2.8, but not likely.;)Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
That chip has a 14 multiplier though...obviously another ES.
I know, its unlocked.Quote:
Originally posted by StormPC
Could be a 2.8, but not likely.;)
30,600 now.
OPP you better get moving, the Finn is catching ya. :D
I think opp is moving all right, I heard he just might go LN2 and get his cpu to like 3.3 and his 9800xt to like 650 core for 32k marks :D
32k lmao Geforce4ti4200
hahaha :stick:
hes only 1200 marks away from 32k and if he uses LN2 on both his cpu and video card I dont see why not ;)
betting on 31.5k, Which indeed is S!ck...
25 on gpu core and 150mhz on CPU seems to be just a tad too narrow to reach 32k. IMO..
but hey I´have been amazed before ;-)
cheers
yep 30609 exactly
-224 compared to Opp
MACCI, try with an another multiplier except if ur Mb has a bug --> 14 or 15
Yea its a 3.2G model with multis available up to 28 (actually a bit hard to say what CPU it is since there is no text printed on the HS - on P4C800 it defaults to 2.4GHz??) :D
Anyways clocks some 200MHz higher than the other EE ES I was able to test.
Heres the latest comparo:
http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/p4ee/ee_vs_fx.gif
Go Macci:toast:
Good thing I have some time off for the next 2 weeks.
Looks like I'll need it. :D
OPP
Nice work by the two top performing 3dmark overclockers at the moment :toast:
Can I ask a question to Opp and macci, do you feel a lot of pressure when you are at the top, not only from the other benchmarkers but also with the expectation from folk you can just click in another great score whenever you want ?
Do you look at the Orb when you get out of bed first thing each day ?! :)
Regards
Andy
sometimes I do look at the orb when I get outta bed :D now we have two 30k scores, think we will have any more 30k scores before the r420 comes out?
Can't speak for Macci but I for one mainly feel the pressure when someone is on your tail. I do read alot posts with people expecting more out of you and this keeps me going also.Quote:
Originally posted by zakelwe
Nice work by the two top performing 3dmark overclockers at the moment :toast:
Can I ask a question to Opp and macci, do you feel a lot of pressure when you are at the top, not only from the other benchmarkers but also with the expectation from folk you can just click in another great score whenever you want ?
Do you look at the Orb when you get out of bed first thing each day ?! :)
Regards
Andy
Yes I check the Orb within the first 5 minutes of logging on. :D
OPP
Pretty much the same thing over here too :D
btw, how do i get 23 dang marks more!?? :D
http://www.solidhardware.com/macci/p4ee/p4_vs_fx_2.gif
Very nice.....I just added up your score and you should actually have 30,813. I think you got ripped off by 2 marks!
Quote:
Originally posted by macci
btw, how do i get 23 dang marks more!?? :D
I would tell you Macci, but you know:D
Nice:)
OPP
lol, your right. :eek:Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
Very nice.....I just added up your score and you should actually have 30,813. I think you got ripped off by 2 marks!
his cpu was going so fast it skipped 2 3dmarks. :D
though, whats OPP gonna do? is he gonna let macci pass him for a bit, then see if he can do 650/466 to take the lead again? :confused:
What to do,, what to do:D
OPP
hey... im just waiting to see if 650/xxx can actually be done. ;) and ofcourse, im sure you could take the cpu up a bit more, what other kinds of cooling do you have at your disposal that could let you do that? if you had the same type of cooling as fugger, could you get your fx51 to higher speeds?
im sure you have quite a fewtricks that you just havnt tried... im(an most everyone else, i would guess) just waiting to see them.
EDIT: just realized, even if i had a "lowly" amd 64 3000+ at stock speeds, i would probably take #1 in 9100 catagory... :eek: given 1.4ghz of t-bird power gives me 7.1k, and i would need 12.8k or whatever...
now to just get a new case/psu/mobo/ram/cpu :p:
wow macci is 22 marks shy of matching opp! LN2 is the only idea I have right now besides running 3dmark over and over hoping for a better run :) save if you get a better run :D I still say Opp is doing great seeing his cpu is 2/3 that of macci's ;)
Opp - try running chilled water through the rads for your phase change coolers :D
Who will be the first to break 31k!!!!!
AMD or INTEL
MACCI or OPP
We'll know that in the next episode :D
in a few hours
:lol: :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by cpulloverclock
Who will be the first to break 31k!!!!!
AMD or INTEL
MACCI or OPP
We'll know that in the next episode :D
in a few hours
Very, very nice score Macci! :toast:
And OPP too of course :toast:
Now gentlemen, who will gather the remaining "less than 200 points" needed to break this 31K barrier? :D
bah, they will both break 31k i believe. just, who will do it first. ;)