Could someone post results between a push-pull TRUE and a push-pull H50 using the same fans, please?
Could someone post results between a push-pull TRUE and a push-pull H50 using the same fans, please?
updated with results for push-pull on H50Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayce185
If its cheap enough, I might have to pick one up. My Antec 300 is a good case for it with the top 140mm exhaust fan.
Think you are pretty happy with it :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ender17
For all users , like with all WC units plz make sure ya mobo get's enough air flow to cool eg the NB, PWM's, rams etc... Small eg , the Asus Gene II's IOH got up to 90°C with the H50 unit. With a TRUE the IOH got up to 65°C under load. I installed an Antec Cool Spot, kept IOH temps under 65°C :)
Any pics mate from ya install ?
will post some pics shortlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
don't you think the IOH temps could be from the hot air being drawn into the case?
No it's pure lack of airflow at that spot. Case is closed, cool air drawn in via the front via 2 x 120mm fans,.being sucked out by 2 x 120 on top... with the Antec spot (at L setting) cooler temps drop after a few mins... Same with the TRUE, it blows some air over it which is enough...
Pics of the test setup would be great specially the push pull..
not much to see, but here you goQuote:
Originally Posted by mav2000
http://i39.tinypic.com/352psuo.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/2u8jvq0.jpg
Thanks was wondering if it was better to mount it upfront with the same push pull config and leave the rear fan as a outflow?
the fans are blowing outQuote:
Originally Posted by mav2000
read my configuration details
So push-pull results in higher CPU temp then single fan :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ender17
btw how is the fan noise on low and medium settings ? Is it audible ?
on push-pull, the rear fans are blowing outQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
on single fan, the rear fan is blowing in as Corsair suggests - note the higher system temp
Sorry missed that, with the fans blowing out, I think it makes more sense...
BTW Redbeard, what news on launching this in India?>?
I'm considering upgrading to this for my unlocked Phenom II 550BE. Does anybody know what Corsair is going to charge for the AMD adapter? Has anybody tested this with a Phenom II because I've heard they can become unstable above 55c when OC'ed? They perform better when cool. I see all the testing with i7's but how do they perform at lower temps like with the Phenom II against a True or Megahalem cooler?
the amd adapter is free, you just have to tell corsair that you want it.
I asked an AM2/3 Adapter with my (hopefully fully working) new sample...Quote:
Originally Posted by jameskelsey
They say it has a shipping and handling charge. Some company's use the handling charge to stick it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
The AMD adapter for the Megahalem cooler is $10 plus shipping.
Do you have a Phenom II that your testing with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Yes we have :-) No sweat, but results might be added to the review as it's another reviewer that's doing the AMD stuff... I will retest S775 and I7 and Massman will do the AMD CPU ( I hope)
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Originally Posted by jameskelsey
We will not be using this as an excuse to "stick it to you", the AMD bracket will be a modest shipping and handling charge. To be honest it probably won't even cover most of the shipping and handling - but we found with PSU cables and stuff that we have to charge a small fee in order to cut down on people just calling up and ordering all sorts of free accessories with free shipping.
When they did a search by mailing address they found one guy they'd shipped 17 sets of HX620 cables to free of charge. I have no idea what he's doing with them, but the serial number for the unit was identical every time.
It'll be a few bucks for shipping, and that's it.
We are currently working on a mounting mechanism that will solve the problem so we can have 1156, 775, 1366, and AM2/3 in the box. We just don't have that solution ready yet, though.
i have an HX620, can i get his home address to go pick up a set of cables from him?
Hope it's the same solution as for Intel, so that you don't have to rip apart your whole computer and motherboard to insert a new CPU :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Redbeard
That's good to hear. As you can see I like your products and have one of your PSU's, which I promote whenever someone I know needs a PSU. It's just now a days you never know, because their are a lot of company's that seem to care more about the bottom line than their customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Redbeard
As much as I hate push pins it would be convenient and one thing that the high end air coolers can't do due to their 800g+ weights. However back plate installation seems to almost be expected now and I do like the peace of mind a sturdy mounting system offers ( I'm very impressed by the NH-U12P mounting system )
Taking out your motherboard isn't the most fun but in all honestly assuming you mount it correctly what are the odds of changing your cooling solution repeatably between platform changes? (for those who aren't reviewers / benchers ) Anyways all this back plate shenanigans has made me become rather good at cable management so I can't complain :)
I'm still quite interested in this unit for use in a smaller mid tower case. It seems a little more lan friendly than a full tower with a TRUE and 15 fans :up:
Know what I like? That this is so much better then push-pins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chickenfeed
You mount the backplate first, then you can mount your motherboard. After that you simply put on the cooler and screw it on there - done. This also makes it dirt easy to change your CPU.
Isn't that how all back plate mounting systems work? :cool: (my XP90, Tuniq Tower, Dtek Fuzions and Noctua all mount in that same way you mentioned )Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
I do know that the I7 socket area is reinforced ( and AMD have had a solid socket area since at least 939my DFI SLI-DR made the 775 look like crap ) so its really only 775 that really needs a backplate for something like this I'd say.
I'm most curious to see the NB, Mosfet and Memory temps comparing this unit to a tower cooler. One down side to the tower coolers is the fact they tend to cover up the socket area and surrounding components / heatsinks making them harder to cool ( I had much lower board temps using my Dtek Fuzion in tandem with my case fans due to less obstruction )
Atleast my Cooler Master V8 requires me to put on the CPU cooler, turn my mobo around then install backplate :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chickenfeed
But yeah atleast AM2/AM3 could easily use the clip-on for this like most low-end cooler uses that will be enough preasure
@Redbeard:
How many reviewers got samples of the device? At this point all I can find is [H] and Madshrimps. Is no one else taking a look?
Buyers like me need solid numbers on a properly manufactured device. I have builds which fit the devices niche, but I'm not tossing aside my TRUE's without proof. The lack of reviews is costing Corsair $$ at this point.
@Leeghoofd:
Can you point out which screws from the picture below were not countersunk well? I'm thinking the top group of Four look suspicious but could be just an optical illusion.
http://users.telenet.be/OAP2/Corsair...a9DSC00187.jpg
Anyone else able to find other reviews?
Any info is much appreciated.
well the product isnt even released yet for starters.
Ender17 from this forum purchased the device and has even released his own numbers. I believe it is available at this time. See the link below.Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...32#post3873432
i always thought it was released but the only store i have found with it is ncix which it appears he got it from too. newegg doesnt have it and neither does any of the other popular retailers. and i think corsair had a problem with the first ones they sent out. after they have a good supply of them and retailers start getting it in stock im sure there will be plenty more reviews.
Not sure how to respond to this as half my post is dedicated to those defective units.Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
Anyways, you are no doubt correct when you say as more retailers receive the device more reviews will appear.
Having said that, one need look no further then the GPU industry to see how many (not all), a smooth release is done. The reviews are completed ahead of time and on the day the Non Disclosures are lifted (usually the day of the release), the reviews are published.
While I admit to being impatient for this cooler, I'd much rather Corsair take it's time and release a product ready for prime time then a rushed POS.
Worldwide we've sent about 20 of them out. Keep in mind some of the units go to print media which has a much longer lead time. If we send to a magazine on May 1st, it may not show up until the August or September issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDeliverator
Onethreehil has opened a seperate thread regarding the actual reviews.
Hexus.net is the first one : Corsair H50 review thread
That review was nice held up to my expectations...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Although what I miss is:
Both Corsair and TRUE used the same fan.
Both Corsair and TRUE in a push-pull config.
Yep , if I can get a 4-5°C difference with the stock unit I'll be very happy, 10-15°C might be a bit overkill... hope my new sample arrives soon...
they didn't use the same fan, so that's not a completely fair comparison IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
I'm gonna get an IFX-14 and compare it with the H50, both with push-pull
anyone wanna donate one? :p:
I think they should be about equal
thing I don't like about the H50 is you have hot air blowing into the case which just seems wrong to me
Which is why I miss it :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Ender17
Review looks quite good, but I would like to see it on a D0, with a pair of S-Flex F's (push/pull to the outside) and tried with maybe some AS5 or Freeze.
Having recently spent £600 on my going to i7, I need to seriously justify another £60 to the wife.....:P
As long as you balance it out by having another normal intake fan acting as an exhaust, it doesn't seem to have a negative effect on temperature in most cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ender17
Obviously we can't test it in every case on the market, but if you have a side panel fan that you change from intake to exhaust, for example, you can get about the same ambient case temps.
Thanks much for the information!
Hmmm... would the radiator work FANLESS? I have no space for a 12cm fan anywhere in the H5 case.
For my HTPC i'm looking for a fanless replacement to a ninja mini on a E5300 (with 700rpm nexus fan).
What kind of performance can be expected?
Why not mount the fan on the outside of the case ?
@Deliverator I only had 2 screws that were a nuisance when using the razorblade sliding over it. For the S775 I don't think it was a problem (smaller IHS), for I7 it might have been as it seemed the bottomplate was slightly warped due to the screws.
It "may" work fanless, but I don't think you should do it anyway. The rad is configured/optimized for performance in good airflow conditions (tightly spaced fins) so it won't work well without it. Go for a SHURIKEN Rev.B instead...(or try to mount the rad or the 120 fan outside the case).Quote:
Originally Posted by RealTelstar
if the hose is long enough, run it through the fan hole and set it outside the case just siting somewhere, i dont think it will be any issue, from the video reviews i saw, it looks like it can hold itself together quire fine in transportation without support
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Yes, this seems a good option. I have to figure out the lenght of the cable and place to hold the radiator onto..
Will the cable pass into an empty motherboard slot cover, or is too thick?
that will require you to take it apart, which i dont believe is recommended. i would rather drill 2 U shaped holes where the side panel is, so you just align them up and close the lidQuote:
Originally Posted by RealTelstar
I was thinking of a case mod and mounting the radiator horizontally outside the case with a push/pull fan on it. So it doesn't blow in or out of the case. Do you think the hoses are long enough to mount to the back of the case in such a position?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Any word on a Phenom II test with this cooler?
Phenom II will be tested IF there's an AM2/3 bracket in the review kitQuote:
Originally Posted by jameskelsey
Hoses are +/- 25Cm in usable length, total length is 28cm here but you need to take into consideration the 90° bend from the unit itself... I will test the new unit also out of the case by using Swiftech's RADBOX
So Leeghoofd got your new module yet? Waiting anxiously for your review :D
Also if I understand correctly, for this to work efficiently it need to blow ambient air from outside of the case through the radiator instead, instead of the classical blow it out?
No mate I hope it still arrives this week, to get best perforamnce is ( and Ender17 has proven that too ) to get fresh ambient air to be sucked in... Air of the case is heated by all the components, plus air flow can be disturbed by cables, vidcards etc...
Wait, so if only review models have been send out, why do I have one sat in my room now? Is UK diffferent or something. Also how do i cheak for bad screws, and if presnet is there anything i can do? Cheers
use a razerblade and go over the screws ( make sure you don't damage the TIM, in case you want to use it), if the razor gets stuck the screw is not fully countersunk. Best thing to do is to contact Corsair UK
Cheers for the info, will do as soon as I can find a razer blade :P
Redbeard do you know of any of the review samples that will be pitted against the Apogee Drive? I'd just like to know how it performs load wise :)
Any word on AMD reviews, like with a Phenom II?
Its on sale at newegg. I am tempted to buy one and do some testing. my 940 is not the best clocking chip, (Bought the first day they were available) But I know its good for 3.6-3.7GHZ.
Yup. Or if you have a top exhaust this should work as well correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Redbeard
I got one of those 940's too. I can get 3.8-3.9 on it but the temps on air are killing me. I'm curious to see what you can do with one of those. If it's favorable I'll pick up one as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by vengance_01
Where r the reviews.........my god this has taken a long time ....
I have PMed RedBeard about if the current retail units are shipping with the AM2 Bracket.
My new unit is coming this week and I already got the AM2 bracket in the place so will add them results to the review
If I didn't have the bad luck to get a ... sample, the review was already online 2 weeks ago... but hopefully the new unit is a tad better...
According to hardocp true destroys h50, according to hexus h50 destroys true. Uhhh :/
The Hexus review uses Corsair's setup... have you tested a True with push or pull fan installation, makes a world of difference on my setup (4-5°C), I opt for fans via the front sucking in, the True with a push fan , and the rear fan that sucks out hot air, it's the most logic setup.
For the HOCP article, I think they will retest to with a new unit... I hope to have my tests done end of this week ( go go Corsair !!)
Any word on Phenom II x4 reviews with the H50?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Quote:
Originally Posted by nsegative
Yeah its wierd.
Anand did a mobo review and used the H50 and said it worked great
on an i7 DO at 4.6ghz.:shrug:
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3593&p=2
Have you seen a 4.6GHZ stable I7 CPU ? Till now these are very rare and sorry I don't buy it, I can post Everest screenshots on a very unstable rig;
Our maximum 24/7 overclock using our cooler selection with the i7 920 D0 resulted in a 4.62GHz clock speed at a respectable 220 Bclk
Gimme me some prime, some LinX, some Hyperpi and then I will say yihaaaaaaaaa. But not this... really funny if you call ya CPU 24/7 yet stresstest is completed at only 3.37Ghz...
Even with high end watercooling most users cap out at 4.2-4.5Ghz (and the latter are very rare) for 24/7
Sorry we only have an X3 720 as testbedQuote:
Originally Posted by jameskelsey
Exactly. Even 4ghz on air isn't easy ( even with a TRUE you need alot of airflow and usually a push pull by the looks of it ) 4.6 is pretty ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Looking forward to your review. Also you said you only have a 720BE, does your 720BE unlock on the 4th core?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I'm picking up the AMD gear on friday, will have to explore it first...
Oh yeah, my H50 sample just arrived! :D
I agree. Either this is a crazy golden chip or anandtech is being really shady. Vantage stable at 4.62?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I just did a quick hwbot scan of i920.
http://www.hwbot.org/searchResults.d...inTotalPoints=
I just scanned the first 20 fastest results.
The fastest core i7 on water is 4.45ghz.
To get a stable vantage at 4.608 or above a single stage or colder is used.
I borked my MSI AM3 mobo with a new beta bios ( this due to a dying USB stick ) so will have to RMA it before being able to do the AMD tests... hope to have my new sample latest end of next week...
I have seen Vantage stable I7 CPU's on air at 4.5Ghz. That's not my problem, but calling it 24/7 stable at 4.6 is a bit out of bounce...
It goes on sale Tuesday at Newegg, I was hoping to see some AMD numbers before ordering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Do you still have the bracket for Intel? Now that you have a unit without the countersunk screw issue I'm curious to see if the i7 number will improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
yeah I still got the old and hopefully soon the new unit... and hopefully a new AM3 board...
So is this thing living up to the hype? Can it actually cool an i7? I keep seeing so much conflicting info...it is making me very skeptical..
Initial reports show it at around the quality of the TRUE in push-pull configuration. So, if you've already got a TRUE don't bother. If you're new to the game and are looking at heatsinks for a new build it's not a bad option. It'd be priced about the same as the TRUE and some fans and would be a little quieter IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiberalElephant
At least with the TRUE in push/pull, you don't have to worry about your pump dying or a leak....
What if the heatpipes leak :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by LiberalElephant
We both know that if the TRUE was beaten by anything in its pricerange it would be the end of the world for so many people:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by shabby
Erm, Megahalem does beat it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
This probably just more fuel to the fire but... Any info at this point... I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiberalElephant
http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=79770
http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=79799
It's the same guy who posted his initial results earlier in the thread but with new info.
I don't see anything in his post that provides information about the H50 bringing in hot airQuote:
Originally Posted by TheDeliverator
just some measurements of the exhaust air compared to ambient? that doesn't tell me anything
from my own testing, it's clear the motherboard runs about 4-5 C hotter with the H50 fan(s) used as intake vs exhaust
I wasn't posting to address your results. I am adding information to a thread that unfortunately has very little.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ender17
pumps last longer than fans and leaks happen to n00bsQuote:
Originally Posted by LiberalElephant
So no testings on Phenom II? :/
Or your cat / dog / overgrown hamster can perform an assault on your tubes while you're not at home. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chumbucket843
Just kidding, I agree. :yepp:
Once I get a replacement board yes, but it will be added later to the review. I want to finish this article asap...Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
Any idea when we might see some Phenom II data? I don't mean to be impatient but this thread was started a month and a half ago and no reviewers seem to think that AMD needs immediate testing. It seems to be a after thought on most peoples minds. I know we're in the minority but this is a little annoying, the i7 people are also a minority. I would like to thank the testers , and I do appreciate the hard work of some people giving us their time to test this stuff! Just had to get that off my chest.
I just ordered a IFX-14, will be doing some more testing when my D0 gets here
So how long is it left until it's finished already I've waited too long for a proper review :cussing: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
For mine you just have to wait 24 hours :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
I'd buy the H50 if i only could place the radiator somewhere on my VF6000BNS case :( Because the thingie thats laced on CPU is very small, exactly where i have the least of space because of the PSU right above it.
would like to see more configurations like push pull, etc and less time wasted on 200 MHz increments of CPU speedQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
I don't think that its performances change too much in push pull WHEN into the case there is already a very good ventilation ;)
Thanks for the review. A suggestion would be to provide real world experience for people who just put the thing together and turn on the computer. No overclocking and no voltage adjustments. This review results will only apply to a small percentage of people who happen to undervolt their computer. Not that this review was tailored for XS but for those of us who crank up the volts this review's importance will be quite limited. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
The RaT
Most undervolted DO's kick CO's butt regarding heat output. I ran some 3d benches yesterday on the H50 at 4.4GHz 1.4Vcore set in bios (LLC disabled) with my i950. Didn't budge and all went fine.
You can't expect users or reviewers to prime or linpack their CPU's to death on a WC kit that costs as much as a high end air cooler... If my 950 can prime 4Ghz at 1.2Vcore , why should I do it at 1.3 or even 1.4 ? Because other users got cpu's like that or intend to run them like that ? Don't think so...
This kit is not intended to be used by users that run their 920's daily at 4.4Ghz or beyond. It was designed to be an easy to install, cost/performance effective and zero maintenance kit. Secondly FYI vcore is not immediately related to heat, more Vcore for the same clockspeed (comparing only CO and DO here) doesn't necesarrily reflect in more heat output. My CO's all ran far cooler than this DO with far more volts.
Yes, I totally agree with Leeghoofd. It is absurd to use an higher vcore when you can enjoy lower temperatures but the same stability with undervolt.
@HousERaT: However in some tests (starting from 3,6 GHz) the CPU was not in undervolt ;)
We decided to up the review (see signature), even when lacking the AM2/3 CPU scores ( I borked the motherboard via a bios flash ) Once the RMA is done, I'll retest and post the AMD scores here.