Beautiful case. I'd buy it. Depending on cost, of course. I'd want a black one.
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Beautiful case. I'd buy it. Depending on cost, of course. I'd want a black one.
Late to the party, sry, missed a few pages! carry on!
As to the expected cost, this thing looks like it could land at or near Murderbox costs... which I think are in the $1000 range?
Regardless, I'd absolutely pounce on this case if I could afford it. Make that orange one with official Dodge Hemi Orange automotive paint [Scratch that! just watched a new Mitsubishi Eclipse roll by in an amazing orange coat!], and a matte interior & grills, and I'd probably buy it even if I *cant* afford it! lol
One thing I didn't see in the thread (and thread search came up empty) is if TFC Monsta Rads would fit? I'm guessing not, as you've already pointed out you aren't intending to make this a "double PSU" capable design in a single chamber, and I imagine to fit the 148mm+ Monsta's width you'd be close to that)
Nit picking details now- 2 things I like in my current case are toolless drive bays (both HDD and 5.25"), and the fact the side panels drop in from the top, then tilt closed (with a latching mechanism operated by pulling one of the thumb screws out in the back). Even if you don't get that fancy, I rather enjoy the fact it takes minimal space to pop the latch, tilt the panels, and lift them an inch or so to get them out of the way.
About ventilation: the mobo (nb, sb and probably mosfets) will be water cooled. NO fans on side panel. But there will be one exaust fan on the back and 1 or 2 on the top panel.
The pic bellow shows planned air movement:
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1382/airmovement.png
Check out more pics in my thread
I think you want the to 2 fans pulling air in, maybe making the exhaust fan a 140mm on the back....
Why there should be an intake air vent or fan?
One or more intake vent or fan equals plenty of dust, no filter can save you from that.
Lets make it clear
There are several major heat sources in the case:
CPU - watercooled
GPU - watercooled
NorthBridge - watercooled
SouthBridge - watercooled
Mosfets - watercooled (if nessassary)
RAM - aircooled or watercooled (if nessassary)
HDDs - aircooled
DVDs - ----------
PSU - aircooled
And that is it.
As for the rest heat amount - there are 3 ways of heat transmission:
1) convection
2) thermal conduction
3) radiative heat exchange.
So I think that using convection with the help of 2 or 3 exaust fans will be enough to cool everything else.
And the psu will be extracting air from bottom rad comartment. Cause its fan will be facing bottom rad, not the mobo
I'm sorry, but it is the law of physics. For air (and heat) to get out of your machine, fresh, cool air must be able to get in from somewhere, otherwise your fans will just be rotating in dead air. Also, with your PSU fan facing downward, won't the air flow through that be restricted by the rads and fans in the bottom compartment?
I'd throw down $400-500 for this one. The animated renders, plus the renders with the system components installed sold me for sure.
@Mick64
Do you know how convection works?
Its base on the density difference of hot and cold air. Hot air is created only near the heat source not every where in the case. Hot air has lower density than cold one and tha t make the hot air to move up.
There is natural convection and forced convection (using fans). Natural convection is a slow proccess. And that is where those fan will help.
Talking about PSU, i think the there wont be much restriction, cause psu fan faces rad's chamber part, which is smaller, than the rest of the rad.
And, if you whana talk about my wc case design, better to do it in my thread.
hu13cap, while your explination of convection is fine you have missed some points. Looking at your design, yes you have fans extracting but none supplying. If you are not putting air into the case under force, but extracting with force (your fans) you will create a negative pressure inside your case and your fans will be less effective.
Going into the physcis, if you have a negative pressure it means you have a smaller voume of air inside your case, meaning less medium through which to absorb the heat and trake it away from the components. (Like running a water cooling setup with small diameter tubing vs large)
Extigy, i agree with you. So those fanr will be less effective. But if all the components are watercooled, why on earth do i have add an air intake vent or fan. Name me the part that generates the amount of heat that has to be removed, apart from those that i mentioned earlier.
Here's another render with components installed....
Parts:-
Thermochill PA 120.4 rad with 8x 38mm fans and 38mm shrouds in push-pull.
Thermochill PA 120.3 rad with 6x 38mm fans and 38mm shrouds in push-pull.
Long PSU (200x160x86).
4x Raptor HDD's.
2x Optical Drives.
Akasa Fan Control Pro.
Alphacool LCD Display.
2x EK reservoirs.
2x Lang D5 Pumps.
Asus Rampage Extreme.
2x ATI HD2900XT with DD FC waterblocks.
3x Dominator Memory.
Apogee GTX.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...Install-02.jpg
/drool
The fan on the back is 120mm or 140mm ?
Looking great :D
Goddamn this is a beautiful case design. Better than any other I've seen on the market. There's no way I could afford $400-$500 though.
3Z3VH
P.S. Check my thread for details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hu13caP
There are several major heat sources in the case:
CPU - watercooled
GPU - watercooled
NorthBridge - watercooled
SouthBridge - watercooled
Mosfets - watercooled (if nessassary)
RAM - aircooled or watercooled (if nessassary)
HDDs - aircooled
DVDs - ----------
PSU - aircooled
If Vadim wouldn't have gone bust, I reckon you would have gotten yourself a deal...
It has the capabilities of the MM Pinnacle with the aesthetics of Lian-Li or Silverstone. In my books, clearly a winner.
+1 :)
+1
It might appear expensive, but look at the prices Silverstone, Lian Li charge, or look at what the bigger Mountain Mods cases cost, it is unfortunately a "normal" price, best compared to SSDs, can't be beaten if it comes to performance, but you have to pay for it.
True but my current case only cost me $150 and its brand new (less than 6 months old). Its really expensive when my husband and I want to start buying living room furniture (like a couch). Everything we have is very very old and falling apart. I could maybe justify $150 and just sell my current case on ebay. I can't justify $400-$500. In fact, I think my husband would be rather upset with me if I insisted I wanted to buy it for that price especially considering that is about 9/10 of one of my biweekly paychecks. Yes, he makes ok money (over twice what I do a check) but still. Money matters.
Love the black and red render big time. Kind of looks like everything is backwards though. Liked it better the other way.
Awesome case I would get it!
I posted earlier in your other thread - "What do you think of my "water cooling" case design?" - about seeing if you could do a render of your case in "White with Red Highlights"? Or something similar to what you did with the black case with the white center chamber would be nice as well?
You have put the big boys to shame with your case design. Once again Mick64 kudos for a superb design. :clap: :clap:
I am waiting for one of the "big-3" to get this case manufactured.
Come on Silverstone upgrade the TJ07 to the MicK64 UltraFlow TJ08 !
Or perhaps Lian Li you can update your PC-80 to the Special Edition Mick64 Triple Chamber LiquidFlow PC-800-LF-RAD !
Or Mountain Mods could you update the Pinnacle 24-CYO to the Mick64 RAD-FLOW 27-TCCS !
Added some tubing. Two simple loops, one for the CPU and the other for the GPU's. Personally, I would also add motherboard cooling to the CPU loop as well, but haven't got time to add those in my render. Used black tubing with compression fittings. Kept the red theme, as I think it goes well with the motherboard and graphics cards....
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...I-Piped-02.jpg
awesome case design - I really like the colors you've done too! any news of interest from any companies? If i had the money, i would totally invest in a startup with this design.
What program are you drawing in? Google sketchup? And do you have any tips? I kinda suck at it :)
now that is a sweet color scheme
cpu loop looks a tad awkward but i guess there isn't helping that much without tossing a 90 degree in there so the reurn to the resevoir could be along the top of teh mobo compartment
Amazing stuff from you - as always !!
The Red+Black color Edition -You can call it Classified Edition Case !!!
Added Bitspower waterblocks to the Rampage motherboard which are now incorporated into the CPU loop......
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...Piped-03-1.jpg
^^ that looks ssswwweeeetttt :up:
Hi Mick,
Love the design, i appreciate how hard it would be to do but in one of your next renders would it be possible to how you envisage the cable routing might work?
Also the top 120.4 rad space, could it also support a 140.4 rad too?
I know that they are far from standard but there are more manufacturers producing these over sized models and given that this is a true enthusiasts case it might be a nice addition.
As i say great work. :)
I'm afraid your right! It's not easy to include the tubing, let alone any cabling. I think this is a request too far. Sorry! :eek:
The subject of 140mm rads has been discussed on a couple occasions. Although I have nothing against these larger rads, it would mean increasing the size of an already gargantuan case.
I feel that there's plenty of cooling potential with the 120mm rads and increasing the case size to cater for 140mm rads is just not warranted IMO.
Thanks for the kind words, it's appreciated! :up:
amazing detail on the mobo. i love the design, i need a new case but this wont be in budget. have you designed a side panel for it?
Any news on price or availability ?
definately eye candy
wow that's a kick ass case design. Too bad I'm not more into big computer cases or I'd definitely love to have one. Maybe later on... but wow that is an awesome design.
Honestly, it's the question on everyone's lips. Have any of the big case manufacturers got back to you on this? This could be a fantastic server case if it had the capability for adding hard drives in the place of radiators, perhaps that is something you should push as added functionality (and therefore saleability).
Mick, where did you get the dimensions for the 5.25 bay. Im trying to figure out were the holes go and stuff... And I'm starting to go mad :)
Thanks! Do you have any new renders to show us? :) Or an update perhaps.
You said that the fan you where putting in the front was not out for sale yet. And I cant seem to find any also. Do you have a date or something when they will be available for us "normal" people?
It is this one I'm trying to find: http://www.coolermaster.com/products...ate=36&id=6492
And do you have it on good sources that this fan is good? I know some big fans have trouble with their bearings.
And I'm also building a chassis almost like yours. I went with that design after all but with a few changes to suit my needs. I'm going to have a door i think.
Coolest case I've ever seen. When it's going into production??? I want one for upcoming 7i rig
I'm constantly messing with new renders, but it can be a lengthy process. I often have to wait an hour or two to see if I'm happy with the result. If not, I'll stop the render, make some changes and start again. I don't like posting renders that I'm not happy with.
The 200mm Cooler Master fan is available, but it seems only in the US and OZ at the moment. Performance PC's does ship international, but at a price! Hopefully, it will be available in Europe soon...
From what I have read about the large fans currently available, the Cooler Master fan is one of the best.
Good luck with your case build! :up:
Watercooling UK is currently looking at making a prototype of my design, but it's still early days. I'm hoping that it will be available in the future, but that all depends on production costs, etc....:shrug:
the only thing between me and this case is an ocean and a couple hundred dineros. you should post a poll to see how many people would buy it.
sexiest case ever.
hope someone will produce it!
You shouldve been at computex 2009, my dad went (he lives in taipei) and he told me how disapointed he was with thermaltakes level 10
All Black....:up:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...I-Piped-05.jpg
Best so far :)
I still fall out of my chair every time I come here. Fantastic layout.
I hold by my earlier comment regarding the design of the release for the side panels, however. Something that drops in and tilts closed, with a mechanism to lock it in place akin to the Voodoo Omen rev2 sitting on my desk just seems to be a necessity when dealing with the monstrous size of this thing. The ease I have of just pulling the catch in the back and tilting the panels out then up is the kind of detail work a case this beautiful just seems to call out for.
I'm digging for retail cases with a similar system, maybe Lian-Li has one I can point you to, as they manufactured the case for Voodoo.
EDIT: found it: Look to the Lian-Li PC-B70 & PC-B71 article here:
http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f...chassis-60356/
It includes detail images of the side panel release system:
Rear pull to release:
http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/a...side-panel.jpg
closeup of panel design:
http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/a...insulation.jpg
hard to see, but the uppermost rail has the catches for the panel, and this slides back as the rear thumbscrew/latch is pulled back:
http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/a...om-clasper.jpg
you can see the tabs which catch the panels there.
The bottom of the panels are simply like the front edge of yours- a tab that slips behind the bottom edge of the chassis, instead of the front edge.
Very elegant, and likely patented, but certainly inspirational, I hope.
Thanks for the kind words!
I agree, a very elegant solution. This sort of mechanism is obviously not much of a problem to manufacture for companies such Lian Li, and if they choose to manufacture a case based ob my design it will probably have such a mechanism. However, I have been trying to keep my design as simple as possible to make the fabrication as simple as possible. I believe a small workshop could manufacture my design with basic cutting and bending machines. A latching mechanism would just complicate things......
Different lighting, slightly different angle....
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...ed-06-1024.jpg
Someone really needs to take the plunge and get this thing built. It's great as is but until it gets put into hard format it's a lot like masturbation, fun but ultimately it isn't going to get you anywhere.
I really wish I had the dough to get something fabbed. Maybe later this year when I have money kicking around after tuition.
depending on how much it would be to fab i might think about it would have to ditch my TJ07 case build
how many rads does this hold if it holds the equivalent of 2 quads im in
and ill say this now cause someone will ask "2 quads is a waste why you doing it the air transfer delta blah blah blah"
anyways my room is freezing in the winter and i was going to get a cheap airconditioner for summer so my room will always be chilly :D
....and vice-versa! If you read the threads, you'll see that the majority of the people posting on one thread are not the same as the other, and I get double the hit-rate as well. I want as many people to see my design as I can get. It seems to be working as well, because pictures of this case are spreading to an increasing number of computer sites around the web. I can monitor this on my Photobucket stats page. Cheers Metric. :up:
Yes no TT :)
Mick, I've been looking at the designs and your comments. They are fantastic and out-of-this-world, but do keep in mind that if you really want to put this case into production and make some big $$, you will have to get the big manufacturers to like this design. The way you talk about the case (as I've seen earlier "If you are not putting a dual loop inside this case, then this is not the case for you."), the big brands (Silverstone, Lian-Lis) will not take it. If you really want to put it into production, you will have to get the market as big as possible.
Do mind that there are not much watercooling enthusiasts in this world, 2000 people MAX around this world. And most of them will not have unlimited budgets for a case. There will be many people that will looking for a case that will have other potentials other than watercooling, such as being capable of being a server case (as Dreamaxx mentioned earlier) or air-cooling. Although it won't sound like the purpose of this case, but those will be the major market that the manufacturers will target for.
Also, for the price range. Try to keep the size as small as possible. I could see that the height and length are reasonable, but try to make your case anything less than 700mm in depth. Keep in mind that the bigger the case, the more the cost. The more the cost, the less market there is. You see, not much people will spend more than 300 dollars on a case. Let alone 500 dollars.
No offense, but they are all in my humble opinion:) I am really looking forward for the case to be mass-produced :D
Thought I'd post a couple of SketchUp animations so you can compare my case design with the SilverStone TJ07 and the Lian Li V2000....
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...cox64/TJ07.gif
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...ox64/V2000.gif
Awesome comparison Mick:up: It seems GIGANTIC under the comparison:p:
I hope you read my comment:rolleyes:
you might want to turn anti aliasing on for both renders and in your nvidia control panel for sketch up.
Thanks for the compliments!
Yes it's a big case. It's actually bigger than when I started. It was actually not much bigger than the V2000, but it has grown because of comments and suggestions made by XS members. Basically, it's an enthusiasts case and if it does go into production, it will probably be in small numbers only (built to order maybe?)
I was never out to make big bucks with this design. I just though it was a good idea and wanted to share it with the water-cooling community in the hope that someone might build it (I haven't got the facilities or the funds).
You're probably right about the big manufactures, but water-cooling is getting more and more popular. I think that it would be even more popular if there were cases on the market that did not require any modification to house a decent water-cooling setup (such as mine). There are many people out there that want a water-cooled PC, but haven't got the time, skills, or facilities to modify a case to put it in!
As for price, this is the big question! I really don't know how much it would cost. I've tried to keep the design as simple as possible. I've also made it so that most of the parts are modular, so you only need to buy the parts that you require. It is also very versatile; you can have many different configurations. There's no denying, it will probably be quite expensive, but I would hope that it would be around the same sort of price as a TJ07 or V2000...;)
Love the new renders. All black is my favourite!
I have a suggestion. Doesn't it weaken the structure of the chassis by having that design for the removable motherboard tray? Why not use the design when you just remove the plate? Like some lian li uses.
Im also trying to find the measurements needed to make a hole for that 200mm fan. I'm trying to find the length between the holes and the maximum height and width it has. And how do you plan to fasten the fan in the front? I didn't see any holes in the front?
Maybe you have the sketchup model for the 200mm fan? If so I would really like you to export it and upload it somewhere :)
Thanks! All black is my fav as well. :up:
I think that the removable MB tray is a must have. It makes installation so much easier. Also makes it possible to have the inverted motherboard orientation. :D
I'm still trying to get accurate measurements for the MegaFlow fan myself. I have created a SketchUp model of the fan, but have guessed the dimensions by looking various pictures of the fan. :shrug:
The reason you can't see any holes in the front of the case for fastening the fan is because there are two layers of aluminium in that area. The fan is fastened to the inner layer which is part of the structure that makes up the dividing sections. :cool:
Yeah. But I didn't mean to remove the "removable tay" function. Just another design. Have you seen lian-li's?
Like this (I'm going with this design):
http://lian-li.com/v2/tw/product/upl.../x2000u004.jpg
I think that is superior to the other one. Adding much more strength to the frame. Because its going to be heavy. Especially with a .4 radiator in the top.
Also, I cant seem to find anyone that stocks the black Megaflow... Only red and blue. Even in the us :(
Sorry, I don't like this design. With the PCI slots separate from the tray, you would have to mount your graphics cards, etc after you have installed the motherboard. Not as versatile in my opinion. Also, I would still have to have the PCI slots removable so that they could be inverted. Therefore, I wouldn't be gaining anything. :down:
I'm having the same result trying to locate stockists of the MegaFlow fans. I can't find black or clear anywhere, only red and blue LED. I have found a German website that supplies the red and blue, but their shipping is expensive, even to Sweden. :down:
These fans are relatively new though. So, hopefully, they will become increasingly available as time goes on....:shrug:
Way late to the party, but just wanted to add my .02 as well, that this case is absolutely awesome.
Considering I paid $500-$600 for the ABS-Li Canyon 695 (ironically shown above), I would _easily_ pay that much for this case considering everything it can do.
Agree that the Lian-Li mobo tray solution is less than ideal for this application (due to the reasons you cite) and prefer the way you have it now. My case prior to the 695 was a TJ09 and the slide-in/out removable tray on that was pure heaven.
I'm positively no expert, but my guess is the most expensive part of manufacture of this case would be the rounded outer shell parts as these have to be press formed versus just stamped and bolted together. Except for the detachable faceplate, the 695 has no rounded components to it and is just riveted/bolted together from what appear to be mainly stamped parts (which doesn't explain why it costs so damn much).
Otherwise, I add mine to the chorus of other voices begging, no, imploring you to put this in production!
Hmm, I haven't had any experience with any of these functions. I guess only if you have had them both you can decide who is the superior one.
You got some valid points but I think you can install graphic cards with lian-li's to. You just need to fasten the screws later. If I also change this design it will look very much like yours :) I have gained very much help and small stuff from just looking at your sketch. Its amazing. Things you don't think about before you put them in the model.
So you really think that the design you are using is better? Maybe I should go with that one to..
Edit: About the fan, is there any possibility that you can send me the 200m fan exported from sketchup? Even if it isn't exact it will give me a clue at least. I'm kinda stuck at the moment because of that. They are offering the blue and red megaflow in sweden also... But no one is able to get the black one. Have they even started to produce it?
That is freaking amazing, hotswap bays???
I have been emailing around a bit about the fan. I have gotten one answer from ppcs and they said that Coolermaster USA had chosen to not bring in the black and transparent version!!
But there seems to be no one in Europe stocking it as well. But then where can you get this fan?Quote:
Coolermaster USA has chosen not to bring in. Sorry.
Im still waiting for coolermaster in germany to answer. I sent them a mail earlier today. So I hope Monday or some day next week.
You could try the Cooler Master Parts Shop. They only have the Red LED one listed, but there is a Product Request facility on the site. The Red Fan is listed at €17.95. You will have to check shipping costs to Sweden.....
sooooo this going into production ??????
Wow, this case is sweet :D
I would certainly be interested in buying one, so yes.... ditto to what Kinghong1970 so eloquently put in your sig :)
I honestly don't know if it will ever go into production, or even if it will get built as a one off. The way things are at the moment, I definitely haven't got the funds to get made. :rolleyes:
What I can say is that I have had some interest in the design which will hopefully lead to, at least, a one off, and has the potential for limited production. Unfortunately, I have no control of the build process, but as soon as I have any solid information, I will let you know. :shrug:
I think it's a good bet that someone will copy the design or something similar in the future anyway. I've already seen a number of budding designers putting their hands to SketchUp and producing cases that are not a not a long way from my design.....;)
Maybe the number is wrong, but I hope that you are intelligent enough to know what I mean by that. If not, let me clarify, I meant that making a computer case a 600-dollar-product would not make much product.
I am not a Surveyor, but seriously; Ever heard of ECON101?:shakes:
Its gonna be hard.. now that i look at it.
You put a lot of details into it, that would make it very hard for the average builder to make...
Im sure someone is gonna rip your design soon tho...
wow woww wowww!!! Mick64 this makes me wish i owned one of those companies that could get this thing into production!! I was pointed to this thread via a comment on the bit-tech's preview of the Corsair's upcoming case which read "something that no other case can touch", and boy nothing could be closer to the truth!!!!! Mick64,I want one of these NOWWWW!! :P
and just a thought Mick...I didn't see an eSATA port in the front panel. Do you plan on including one or not?
Holy freaking crap that is a cool case! Now I am not sure I like Corsairs new case as much... :up:
Sorry I didnt read the whole thread, but I could see this becoming the new official murderMod case!!!
Your case is a water liquid coolers dream! Thats an easy 700.00 to 800.00 if you throw in some different style side panel designs and rad mesh styles options and different MoBo layouts.
I would say If you build it, they will pay for it, look at the prices people are paying for half the quality and some are steel cases. Hell look what people pay for cars!
Thats the best damn looking case and layout for what most people have to cram into a case 1/2 that and the cooling still suffers. Good luck, I hope to see it marketed one day, don't wait to long I'm sure someone who works for a case company is looking at it to copy! Don't miss your chance!