My first HD4870 was an HIS. It would crash before 1 min in Furmark. After 2 weeks it died. I believe it was a sign of a bad card.
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My first HD4870 was an HIS. It would crash before 1 min in Furmark. After 2 weeks it died. I believe it was a sign of a bad card.
did you remount the heatsink, adjust fan speeds?Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
Are you running renamed FurMark in 8.8 (e.g., renamed.exe) because it has been nerfed in the driver to not push the cards as much...Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
Otherwise, the OC looks awesome :)
Looks like card #2 died today. When they fail, they just won't post. Playing COD4 last night for awhile, temps were about 38 core, 52 vrm. Shutdown. Today it wouldn't start. Swapped GPUs, posted fine.
Second GPU dead in 2 months. I'm done with ATI. Moving to Nvidia at this point. The first one died at stock speeds. The amount of spontaneous death with these cards is frightening, in fact is SDS - Spontaneous Death Syndrome.
bad bios flash? you arent being very clear on the cause of the dead card, cards don't just "die" like that, its got to be something else causing it. PSU, Mobo?Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
Just died. Was fine last night. Shutdown the PC. Today no boot. Swapped out cards, card is dead. Same thing happened with my first card. Google about dead HD4870s, they love to give up the ghost randomly. They do die just like that, I've seen it twice now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
I'm done with ATI for now, 2 is enough.
As stargate125645 would state , it's all nVidia's fault. I bought two sapphire Rads month ago with my new rig so I installed anew and man I had 12 or 13 days of red driver hell and 2 Format's of Vista x64 , never had those problems but that Crossfire hated me so much. And at the last day one of the R4870 died [ Accelero S1 rev 2 + VRM"s cooled extremly well ] , that was the last thing , limit reached, packed them returned took my mony bought GTX280 , no problems since them, maybe I was borned without the ATI.dll that the Silicium god gave us ...Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
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Originally Posted by dnottis
For what it's worth, you did modify your card. Most other people running the stock cooler haven't had this issue. I don't think it's really fair to point the finger at ATI when you clearly voided your warranty and modifed your card.
Ya, but the first one died and it was stock. Regardless 2 dead HD4870s added the pile that others have had die doesn't look too good if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blkout
Ya, I had a reference Diamond HD 4870 die on me as well couple of days ago (5 maybe?). Bought it from NCIX, came home, installed it, installed the drivers, rebooted, loaded up 3DMark06 ran a couple of tests, rebooted to go to Ubuntu to install the drivers and I was greeted with a black screen at POST...card trying to spin up the fan over and over and over, diagnostic LEDs blinking, no video out. Took it back to NCIX 2 hours later, they put it in their system to test it right away...no video...full refund.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
I understand that there is a lot of these cards that are being sold, a lot of people that do not have complaints, but I have just been having s*** luck with them...
Ive now modded 4 of the visiontek cards 2 for myself and 2 for a buddy. using mcw60 block and just cutting the stock cooler down to cool the VRM's. none of these cards have crashed while running furmark ive reached the 120c mark after 130seconds of stability testing on furmark. but the cards are all still solid. im thinking its a manufacturing flaw on someone's part and its not ati's imo because at stock setting with stock cooler the VRM's run plenty within spec using a computer as it should be. Diamond HIS powercolor etc.. if these cards are failing visiontek is doing something they aren't. and yes I have renamed furmark so i get double the frames and stress it as much as possible.
Mine have never died while pushing them. They die when trying to come on. Strange. It was fine all day yesterday was playing some COD4, RS vegas 2. Shut her down. Today the card was dead, no more posty, ever. Just like that. My other one did the same thing, just up and randomly died. You better knock on wood so you dont have them all die on you tomorrow ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 0ut0fstep
Picked up the GTX 260 from the FS forums here today.
From the people I have had an opportunity to talk to so far, I have heard the least complaints about Visiontek cards. Kind of funny...maybe they are more stringent in ensuring no faulty cards come out because of the lifetime warranty :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by 0ut0fstep
wow 2 card died, something wrong with your system maybe?
makes you wonder. one dead card is bad luck. two dead cards often means you're doing something wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyu
Nope, popped in another card no problems. Had my 8800GTX in there before the HD4870 for 2 years without a problem, all the same hardware. Honestly the HD4870 seems like the Wolfdale cores - they just can't play hard or they die. The first card had issues from the day I got it. Would just lose signal and shut down while the PC was still on. It finally died on me without overclocking or doing anything much with it.
The VRM temps are very high which I feel leads to a quick failure. Also the DDR5 runs hot on these cards. I had a fan blowing over them and the ram sinks still got pretty warm, much warmer than my 8800GTX ram sinks ever did. I believe the high temps of the ram and VRMs attribute to the high rate of failure with these cards. The failure rate for the HD4870 is pretty high if you look into it. The card wouldn't let the PC post (beep) so it wasn't even an issue with drivers or overclocks as the card boots up in 2d settings. Once I swapped for an X850XT PE PCI-e it fired right up. Tried a few things, spent the better part of two hours messing with it, nothing, no beeps, no post. Was fine last night and I was playing COD4 for about 2 hours.
What really bothers me is having to change GPU blocks out for the GTX 260. I just rebuilt the water cooling setup about 2 weeks ago. grr.
Anyone looking to buy an HD4870 - really consider the reliability factor with these cards. Might be better to stick with HD4850, lower VRM heat and DDR3 seem to be a better bet.
i don't know, mang. it's hot as hell where i live and i punish my cards. no reliability issues over here.
Well good luck with them. I dont wanna see anyone's card fail. My buddy just bought one too and he's really nervous about it now as well. Hopefully all the bad ones were sent to ZZF where both of mine came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by xMrBunglex
Well, I bought the R4870 from sapphire , the next day two acceleros S1 rev 2 , the temps went magically down , I was so happy , but still those driver issues pissed me a bit off but still I benched a bit and allso played Crysis and Devil May Cry 4, still the drivers Installation and uninstalation process after a couple of tries killed my OS [ BSOD fest ] , a format helped until I started to install the drivers again. There simply weren't drivers that worked for me in benchmarks and Games so I stayed with the 8.7 beta and one lovely day one of the R4870 died , noticed it in GPU-Z , just one GPU , tried that R4870 alone, no post ... VGA dead , the temps on core were good VRM's were cooled enough [ never went over 70 ] , RAMSinks allso. The cards were OCed to 775 / 1000 Still the card died. I returned the stock cooler on it, plugged out the second card and returned it to the shop got refund and bought another card. As I said before, maybe there is a magic behind the driver installation of ATI cards which I didn't follow.
But I still think that the R4 series is one big step forward , it just lacks propper driver support, I had issues with every single driver I tried from Omegas to DNA's to official or beta drivers. Now my GTX worked like a charm, installed one drivers OC'd it never looked back, If this happend to me with the R4870's I'd stay with them.
Has anyone had any whistling caps on their 4870?
I've been running mine for a few weeks now on the ASUS bios (790/925 i think), everything is fine except when i load the crysis demo it starts making funny noises! :shocked:
Even during the intro videos, it makes this high-pitched squealing noise, stops when the screen changes (in the intro screens) then starts again. It is constantly going whilst navigating the in-game menu until it crashes (yes the menu crashes it).
Now i'm not really fussed cos i don't play crysis (i only have the demo), but i'm a little perplexed none-the-less. :confused:
I'm running Cat 8.7 on XP Home SP3.
Mine whistles in heavy load but doesn't crash...Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
But yours cant be that loud as I only notice the little noise with my ear next to the case and because my pc is very very silent.
how is yours?
I get the exact same. Well mine happens in Furmark, and other 3D apps. Some apps do it some don't. Seems to be the way in which the app stresses the card. quite annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
Interesting. The wierd thing is so far; it only happens in the crysis demo. I've been playing C&C3 for hours on end and it hasn't happened once. It's really quite loud! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Shogan
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Originally Posted by Kondik
I'm inclined to think, the underpowered / overheated VRMs OR DDR5 are the culprit for the HD4870 deaths. These deaths aren't isolated, a quick google search turned up a bunch of folks with the "sudden death syndrome" of the HD4870s. Mine have each lasted about 3 weeks and always died while powering on. Never while pushing, benching or gaming which strikes me as strange.
Someone I know that understands more about electronics thinks it may be due to the heating / cooling of the card. While gaming the VRMs would reach 80+c, then shutting off my machine in an air conditioned room it would cool to about 70F. Its like having a computer run 24/7 for months, then shutting it off and having it not come back on again. The constant swing from very hot to very cold in my case may have been the death of them. Using all the same hardware I had my 8800GTX OC'd and water cooled for about 2 years without a single hiccup or failed boot.
The other possibility is the failure of DDR5. There are documented cases of degredation while overclocked. I know on both of my cards the ram got very hot even with airflow and heatsinks on them.
The HD4870 experience has been mixed. Some games ran great, others had some performance drops (COD4 with alot of smoke). After 2 failures I'm tossing in the towel however. I don't believe the HD4850 suffer the same fate because the VRMs don't get anywhere near as hot and their use of DDR3.
The other deaths mentioned here aren't any different that many of the other reported deaths. They just up and die.
Sounds to me like a power issue. Electronics that arent getting enough juice voltage/amperage wise tend to die when you shut them off and try to power them on again. Just to be on the safe side I would take your power supply and put it on a voltage tester or test with multimeter make sure you are within spec. Failing electronics are like light bulbs they never die when they are on they die when you hit that power button and give it that last little surge. It coulda been the cards but after 2 dying on you the same exact way I would check your power make sure its clean to be safe man.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
power supply is fine. everything is in spec. checked with mm already, its a 1000 watt TT. Stuck in another GPU no problems. Its a problem with the GPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0ut0fstep
I don't know why people are so afraid to call a spade a spade. There are alot of reports of HD4870s that just up and die. When yours finally does, then it will be a GPU issue. When it's someone elses, it must be something else. The HD4870 series while being a huge jump in engineering have its weakness.. sudden death.
I should mention for like the 5th time. The first card had issues from the start, that one dying was a blessing. The second one was a great overclocker, ran cool and really sucks to lose.
I must agree with you (my dyed good week ago) and complitly without any reason (it was extremly well cooled, so the temp, were not a problem...
Yeah, there definitely are a lot of reports of these cards dying...
4850's seem to be unaffected...that's why I am waiting to try the non-reference Palit/Gainward 4870 because they have completely redesigned the power. No digital VRMs any more, and it is a 4+2 phase power using analog VRMs with solid state caps.
Thats why I think it's either the heat of the VRMs or the DDR5, I agree 4850s dont seem to be affected.Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
Not that I'm happy to hear that, but I'm sick of people blaming my other hardware for it dying. There is nothing wrong with anything else but the 4870s that died on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by M-XXXX
Everyone always does that...when it is another person's system then it must be something else but the card, otherwise, it's the card. I believe you that it is the card. There are a lot of faulty HD4870 cards out there. Even NCIX techs told me that, in person after I had to RMA two cards because of artifacts and RMA one DOA card (total three faulty HD4870s). They said they are getting a lot of returns on the 4870s but whenever I mention it anywhere I get flamed with "go to NVIDIA then if you do not like ATI because HD4870 Rulz!" :shrug:
But, whatever, people can say what they want. For my last attempt I am willing to try the non-reference Palit still (still high hopes :)) and if that one too has problems then as far as I am concerned the 4870s will be officially junk...
I got my Sapphire 4870 from RMA, and I got blue PCB. I've noticed higher temparatures (about 5C) about 10C lover VRM temp, and OC is similar- rams are clocking bit better (up to 1200mhz) They have changed elements of VRM (if I'm exact there are differents numbers on elements:D)
Have you noticed any other difference blue vs red PCB?
Well I moved on, live and learn. The HD4870 is gone the NVidia GTX 260 is in.
This will be water cooled next week when the new block and accessories come in.
Bought it off the forums here already OC'd / flashed. Ran some COD4 today, saw less drops with smoke. Overall very happy with it so far. At these clock speeds it should be about as fast as a stock GTX 280 @ 1680 x 1050.
http://3dxtreme.net/other/PNY%20GTX%...800x600%5d.JPG
http://3dxtreme.net/other/PNY%20GTX%20260/specs.jpg
If it's a widespread defect it should blow up on ATI/Manufacturer's faces soon enough, if it's user error like the bios flash issues it will be forgotten.
i wasn't trying to call anyone a liar or imply ignorance. if i had two cards die on me in a short period, i'd start to question my power supply too. same goes for other people. i hope your GTX260 lives a long life though.
just don't go screaming ATI sucks if you kill your card with such a high memory OC. not many (non-benchwhore) people around here would push their memory that high - especially since it won't benefit you at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by M-XXXX
Did u find the limit of the core?Quote:
Originally Posted by M-XXXX
Anyone seen a retail X2 die yet? I havent.
Don't worry- my 24/7 clock for memory was 1000mhz, but memory was able to do 1165 at previous one... So this haven't kill it:DQuote:
just don't go screaming ATI sucks if you kill your card with such a high memory OC. not many (non-benchwhore) people around here would push their memory that high - especially since it won't benefit you at all.
About 855-860mhz!Quote:
Did u find the limit of the core?
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Originally Posted by dnottis
I have to chalk it up to YOUR system as the problem. I'm not sure what you mean by Wolfdale's not able to play hard as my E8400 has been running at 4.2GHz for almost one year now without any issues. My overclocked 4870 never had any issues before I upgraded to my 4870x2 and it's no had no issues either.
Please stop spreading FUD on all the hardware forums because of your own mistakes. The 4870 has been reliable for everyone else.
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Originally Posted by dnottis
You're just full of FUD aren't you? None of this nonsense you posted is even close to truth or has any facts to back it up. It's nothing more than speculation based on your own bad experiences with your self-modified cards. 99% of others are enjoying their 4870's without issues and yet you continue to try preach to everyone about how unreliable the 4870's are.
You even went so far as to create a whole thread asking how many people had their 4870's die, and in one week's time, you've had ZERO replies.
Enough already! :shakes:
pwnt
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Originally Posted by Blkout
Grow up already.
In like an 8 second google search -
http://www.techenclave.com/graphic-c...hs-114126.html
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=427
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=431
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=407
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=410
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ight=4870+dead
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/25...r-supply-ample
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/25...ck-screen-boot
Now imagime I really gave half a :banana::banana::banana::banana: about you or your reply and spent some time really digging. :ROTF:
A lot of those are from bad bios flashes.. by the users. You yourself flashed a non-reference bios on your card and now you're blaming ATI? O_o
Well I'm mainly in the WC side of things and I saw how much fricken effort dnottis put into trying to cool his [defect] card. He seriously had one fan just on the digital voltage regulators and a couple of fans elsewhere. I just think some cards suck.
But ahhh this isn't the GTX260 thread and I don't want to see you being banned like GAR when you start flame baiting people ;). [last response was good though :up:]
Of course there are bad cards, it happens to all companies, sadly it is being blown out of proportion by people running these cards out of spec. How many of the complaints turned out to be bad bios flashes? The majority afaik. If the cards are defective then ATI or whatever company is responsible should answer for it, but don't complain when you f*cked it up yourself.
Well some people are often neglible.
My 4870 runs like hell, hot and fast.
Sexy too.
I remember a lot of early 8800GT broke down.
Then the latest havoc of chipsets and laptops, should I continue?
Ah yes drivers for Vista.
Boy those Nvidias guys with their whoop ass can hell freeeze over attitude?
I keep my sexycard and add another one down the road for some slick crossfire ultimate action.
Now, ati truly needs to make a heroic figure a toy to buy to add on the top of my screen.
So it can look down on the sheer godess of love.
:welcome:
Of course. DFI sucks big time on mobos. It's normal. WTH I like this card :p:.
If you oc your cpu and it dies from excessive voltage you go, "I borked it". The same applies to gpus :D.
I myself will be getting a GTX260 because the damn thing is actually cheaper down here. As far as I'm concerned the 4870 slays the other card on stock settings but on max oc, they are very close. I do hear AA and AF is better on the AMD card but I so don't care.
Buy it already so we can have the 4870/260 max OC comparison that's been delayed forever :D
Actually I flashed an ASUS HD4870 with the ASUS HD4870 TOP bios - same card, same BIOS just different speeds and mine was water cooled the entire time. So don't go giving me this non reference bs. They are the same card, except mine was cooled better for it's entire life span.Quote:
Originally Posted by insurgent
I'm blaming ATI for the cards randomly dying, the fact that I flashed it with a legit ASUS bios with faster stock speeds has nothing to do with it - that was weeks ago that I flashed it, wasn't even recent. I didn't rip it myself and hose it like the others did with the small size. The HIS HD4870 I had never ran furmark more than 30 seconds without crashing. It was never overclocked, never flashed and it also died. So explain that then?
BTW the GTX 260 is working wonderfully. I actually prefer ATI cards, I have an X850 XT PE and HD3870 in my other machines. I loved the HD4870 they were great cards until they died.
I'd agree if you had a TOP card, you didn't. It's a different bios for a different model but whatever, it's always easier to point fingers.
Since it ran for 3 weeks like that and the VRM temps were kept under 80c, core temps under 40c. What does the BIOS have to do with anything then? If the BIOS flash was bad it would've died the minute I flashed it. The TOP card and the vanilla are the same thing, just a different BIOS that makes the fan run on a different profile - the only difference are the fan speeds @ specific temps. Its the exact same card with a different fan profile. So because it was water cooled and I didnt need any additional fan speed what you are saying makes no sense. If it was a bad flash that would've killed it immediately. To just say flashing a vanilla ASUS HD4870 with the TOP bios killed it 3 weeks later is stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by insurgent
Who am I pointing fingers at? The GPU quit working. The GPU died. There's nowhere else to point fingers but at the GPU.
At the one that's killing his own cards. You're experimenting on them till they die. It says Overclocking in the title not abusing. Acting innocense is lame. :rolleyes:
Now I was abusing them? What is this Nvnews? Whats with all the trolls lately? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Unbornchild
Watercooled and overclocked = torture. I see yours is overclocked. How's your tortured HD4870 treating you.
It's because you're spreading FUD, you talk about underpowered VRMs and stuff like you know how things are supposed to work. There are bad cards, maybe you're so unlucky or maybe you borked them, fact is, you ran the card out of spec and there's a risk in that but somehow you think a high OC is a privilege that should be granted to you and when they die it's defective. There are people running 4870s OCed with stock cooling in hot ambient temps, their cards do not die. They are only defective when stock unmodified cards start dropping like flies.
How many more times do I have to point out my first card died stock?????????? Lets make it 10 now. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by insurgent
how many times does anyone need to point out that no one says anything when it all works.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
your unlucky, and I'm sorry for that, but there are many more people with working OCed cards than there are broken ones... you make up a 3-5% tops segment of people with broken cards.
that said, the poster before me is correct, stop running around telling everyone on this forum to stop buying 4870s just because you've got a chip on your shoulder after you got unlucky
I wasn't talking about the first card but the second modified one, I'm not an idiot you can spin around with your "facts". I'm not blindly defending ATI, I'm just not buying your underpowered, overheating VRMs theory until we see more supporting data, if the defects are widespread and proven whoever is at fault will be held responsible, but if it's only a small number of random cards it will be dealt with warranty/RMA like always.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
@dnottis - don't fall into a pointless argument, especially not with flame baiters. Quite frankly whether 4870s are or are not defective will always be looked through the eye of the beholder. Those whose cards work will say that they are the best thing ever and those whose cards do not will say that they are utter POS. 4870s as it is now have some problems, but I would say that maybe the problems are nothing but a result of poor QC on the part of ATI manufacturers...anyway with time probably most of these issues will be sorted out as new hidden revisions of cards are released and/or factories are changed.
In general, I am personally against buying anything that is new to the market. Sure HD 48xx series cards are pretty good, but they are also too new and time is needed to flush out the bad batches and botched production runs. If it was ATI that made these maybe this would not be a problem, but ATI did only design the RV770. In any case, I think the buyers now have very tough choices to make.
Adding to the problem for the buyer now is that there is really not much differentiating between ATI and NVIDIA products ATM. When the HD 48xx series cards first came out sure, but not any more. Now that GTX 260/280 prices have fallen in line (can be found as low as $240/$370 for slightly OCd versions) even the price/performance for ATI is nothing to to boot. Basically, we are back to status quo where either manufacturers' cards are a good pick.
ATI moved to 55nm sooner, but their first try at RV600 was not very good. They had time to refine things and they came out all guns blazing to put out the cards based on RV770 (basically much beefed up, lessons learned RV600). NVIDIA is now doing a first try at GT200 which did not turn out to be all that hot so they are revising it. Expect them to come back firing on all cylinders with the introduction of their die-shrunk 55nm GT200 cores.
However, no matter which offering you are looking at what is important to remember is that you are just replacing one DX10 card with another DX10 card which will in turn be replaced by another DX10 card in the next 6 months or so...is any of it really worth it?
@Blkout and other trolls, this is not a trolling forum so go troll elsewhere.
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Ouch, ouch, oh please don't hate me. It really hurts my feelings.
I've been a registered member here since 2005, you just registered a few months ago. Troll? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
He'll continue to spin the fact and leave them out as needed to bash ATI because of his own mistakes. I read one post at another forum where someone was having a driver issue and he replied saying he had to RMA two 4870's. Never once mentioned WHY he had to RMA them or the facts behind the RMA's such as flashing the BIOS and modifying the stock cooling. It's BS posts like that, that spread FUD, and he knows it.Quote:
Originally Posted by insurgent
And of course, everyone should simply take your word for it since you've been so honest about everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
I thought I would point out that you actually have 2-3 replies now to your "Dead 4870" thread. Of course none of them agree with you, but you can read it for yourself.
edit is your friend, Blkout.
Reading the whole thread would help, try it next time. :yepp: one page back - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=401Quote:
Originally Posted by Blkout
Then please move on, I already have - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...02&postcount=5
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9...0011fd7.th.jpg
Probably I can get about 500 more points, with better tweaked windows, higher CPU clocks, and few more mhz on GPU:D
Oh come on man...since 2005 and all you managed to post is 159 posts? So much for being an active participant...what's that like 0.145 ppd? :p:Quote:
I've been a registered member here since 2005, you just registered a few months ago. Troll?
Besides, every single forum where you post it is the same thing (yes, I saw your posts on other forums)...you telling people how they should stop posting FUD and whatnot, how they need to "get something else if they do not like ATI" (paraphrased). Worse thing yet, here you are arguing with an Xtreme Mentor and telling him to shut up. Really?! :shakes: You are nothing but a 13 year old fanboy or alternatively a really dumb PR person. Either way, you are clearly out of it.
Now, being that I want no further discussion with you and want to get back on topic I will not follow up on any subsequent replies.
So, going back on topic, did anyone manage to test the new Palit HD 4870 Sonic Dual Edition? I am looking for some impressions on OCing ability as well as a voltmod for the card. So far I was not able to find anything...there have been some meager overclocks on the cards in the two reviews that were published. The guys over at techPowerUp did not have such good results OCing the card. They managed to stabilize it at 793MHz core and 1097MHz on the memory.
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Originally Posted by dejanh
It looks like an excellent card with more phases on the ram and GPU its sure to be a performer, if I hadent bought my 4870's at release I would snag two of those beauties.
dont get me wrong, I hold the extreme preset record with 2 4870s using my HIS voltmodded cards, but I would rather have the nice pwms for greater longevity and possibly higher clocks on stock volts.
Hah, thank you sir. :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
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Originally Posted by dejanh
Oh I see, so the only way to measure a worthy member is by how many posts per day they make? You've proved that theory wrong already. :ROTF:
Of course you want no further discussion of this as you've already made yourself look foolish. Kudos to you for knowing when to keep quiet when you have nothing meaningful to add to this discussion. :up:
Bro, go with a FC waterblock and be done with it. Yes it costs more but the temps you'll get are more than worth if if you're going to keep them for a while, especially overclocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
See my temps on my 4870x2 with Danger Den FC waterblock. A 4870 should run even cooler than the x2.
http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/r...1DangerDen.gif
i knowwww, but the dd 4870 is the one i really want, its $130 and ill need 2 so its pretty much a 3rd cards worth in cooling....Quote:
Originally Posted by Blkout
Well, I can certainly understand that, but if you're going to keep the cards for a year or two, it may be worth it. You can always recoup come of your money later when you upgrade by selling the parts on Ebay.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
tru, decisions decisions.... new case, resevoirs, and powdercoating AND fullcover blocks..... only if i can get it to MDPC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blkout
Those are idle temps...what about load?
45c under 10 minute stability test in Furmark at 1920x1200, 4xAA, 16XAF. Any other benchmark doesn't exceed 40c.Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
and VRM temps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blkout
Did you rename FurMark executable in 8.8 to something else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blkout
Quickly, I just ran the Furmark stability test for 10 minutes at 1920x1200, 4xAA, 16xAF. Temps are even lower than they were when I orginally setup my waterblock. Thermal paste has had more time to cure I assume. This was also done with the core GPU speed set to 800MHz on both cores which is my 24/7 overclock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrealer
See for yourself...
http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/r...870x2Temps.jpg
I thought that only applied to the official 8.8's becuase it doesn't affect my temps or rendering speed using the beta 8.52 drivers. Temps didn't change at all when the .exe was renamed.Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
Idle temps for reference... :up:
http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/r...2IdleTemps.jpg
I asked about 8.8 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Blkout
I'm not using the official 8.8's, but technically even the beta's I'm using are 8.8's. That's why I made that statement so there was no confusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/r...2k1/88Beta.jpg
I don't mean to stir the pot again but just wanna chime in the discussion so new comers may aware.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
Dnottis, you ran the card at stock speed alright but you did modify the stock cooling.
The stock cooler imho is perfectly fine to handle the VRM heat but @ 40% fan speed it's a bit too noisy so I bited the bullet to spring for a FC block instead. My experience is similar to Blkout with about 40C drop across the board.
I've been using GPU blocks for years and never keen on FC block but in the 4870 case, it's well worth it. It might be the "only" option really, if you don't wanna use the stock cooler. Just my 2 cents.
my hd4870 512mb is having problems playing grid. 1680x1050 everything high and NO aa, the fps often hits 20!!.. after playing about with the settings, i can get a 60fps which stutters to 10/20fps when going around corners or looking from the rear etc
whats people getting on grid with a similar setup?
Have you reinstalled windows since your upgrade?Quote:
Originally Posted by CBird28
I'm getting 50-60fps with occasional 35-40fps dips at 2560*1600 2xaa. No stuttering at all.
Something's wrong with your system
It depends on the view you are using too.
I run it @ 1680x1050 AAx4 Ultra and getting 50-80fps.Quote:
Originally Posted by CBird28
i run GRID at max settings with 4xAA on a single card @ 1920x1200 and get at least 60 fps. make sure you clean out old drivers.
i'm starting to wonder if Nvidia drivers intentionally leave something behind on computers to make ATI cards lag. it could be their way of killing the competition :P
The highest I'v got the core to is only 800MHz and 4.4GHz on the vRAM, just waiting for it to be a bit cooler :)
iv formatted since the upgrade yeah
im going to try reinstalling grid now
another prob iv got is i cant right click on any desktop icons, it comes up with "explorer has stopped working" lol and if i highlight and press the del key, the same happens
Here's some screen shots of what i'v done so far, i think it could go higher.
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/m...erclockOne.jpg
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/m...rclockOne2.jpg
PS medium is Crysis is Very High for me :p:
You really should run your bench loop at least 3 times since the first run is usually always the lowest due to caching. Unfortunately, your CPU is holding you back considerably at 3GHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatguy1992
I was short I time so I only ran once, also I wasn't looking for awesome performance, I was trying to show it could run Crysis :).Quote:
Originally Posted by Blkout
My FPS @ 3.0GHz is exactly the same as 3.6GHz, I tested it.
Hi im new one.
Just bought Club3D HD4870 Overclocked Edition week ago cuz of the Zerotherm Cooler on it. Card is quite cooler than with stock cooler.
GPU OC is fine 860Mhz...but this card memory seems to be bad cant oc over 1050Mhz (getting artifacts in 3Dmark06)...but HD4870 stock cards can get 1200Mhz...both should be Qimonda chips memory...so whats the problem can be that HD4870 stock getting better memory OC than HD4870 with Zerotherm coooler? Does anyone know something about that??
the memory is only rated at 1000 MHz, so anything over that is just luck of the draw. the good news for you is that a bigger memory OC probably won't increase your card's performance at all; they already have plenty of memory bandwidth.
iirc, your memory IC's are bare with no heatsinks on them. it wouldn't be a bad idea to put RAMsinks on your memory anyway. whether it helps them OC farther or not doesn't really matter.
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Originally Posted by fatguy1992
That makes no sense at all. Every test I've run in Crysis shows improvements with as little as 100Mhz clock increases on the CPU. Very hard to imagine that a 600MHz increase shows no improvement.
I know it doesn't make sense to me either, even at 2.4GHz to 3.0GHz the FPS only increases by 1 at the most :confused:
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Originally Posted by xMrBunglex
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4...dr59ld1.th.jpg
U mean to put heatsinks there???
I have Sapphire HD 4870. I have STOCK Fan and no voltmods. I have only flashed bios. However I cant seem to overclock this card at all! even at 800MHz Core clock I start seeing artifacts. I cant even get memory clock to 1000MHz to get it to work stable. I have tried Diamond XOC BE bios and ASUS TOP Bios. But neither of them have really changed anything, instead I think ASUS one just made it worse. Any Ideas guys? Maybe you know whats wrong? Im pretty sure its not heat either, and many other guys have recieved better clocks with same card and same fan. I have manually set fan speed to 38%. So Any help would be appreciated. Thanks alot guys...
BTW. Im Using latest RivaTuner. (And same results in CCC too) + Using Ati Drivers 8.8 OFFICIAL
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ahh, i stand corrected. i was just going off my memory and thought your card was one of the designs that had bare RAM chips. that plate with the fan over it probably provides plenty of cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePlaya
Yeah i think is nice cooler and it s suppose to let OC way better than with stock cooler...but i cant get only 1050Mhz from memory :(Quote:
Originally Posted by xMrBunglex
The ram isn't exactly well cool...the heatsink blocks alot of the fans airflow from reaching the pcb and ram.
Also those ramsinks are vary thin, I believe if you could fit aftermarket aluminum ramsinks, you'd likely be able to overclock your memory a tad more to 1100 aka 4400.
But pushing it beyond that isn't known to be safe, as the memory is only speced to run at 1000 aka 4000 max.
Should I be getting 50-60fps in Mass Effect? All settings at max. No antialiasing.