yes we have boot up with p07:D ...everything works fine...raid, 8800gts 512 in sli with 174.74 drivers, 6 usb devices plugged in and all work at boot up, windows vista 64 with sp1...now to really see what this board can do:smoke: will post soon
yes we have boot up with p07:D ...everything works fine...raid, 8800gts 512 in sli with 174.74 drivers, 6 usb devices plugged in and all work at boot up, windows vista 64 with sp1...now to really see what this board can do:smoke: will post soon
Nice to see people reporting half multis working with this bios. Just as Aaron said C1E must be disabled as well as EIST. In advanced bios features>cpu feature, press F4 and hidden menu will appear with this option. Also, I made sure pci-e bus frequency was at default before reporting the vid card oddness.
ok thanks for the help that did it!!! Just a question here...why are those features hidden? Wouldnt it make sense to keep them shown instead of using F4? Undocumented things give folks headaches ;) Now i can push on for higher goals.
just passed first occt run at 470 fsb again without any major tweaking 1:1 ratio, nb to 1.525v :rocker: ....now to try prime 95... cant get 475 to boot in windows yet :brick: would give me a 3.8gig o/c.... pretty sure the cpu can do it...if anybody wants to share with me the vista secret for taking a screenie ill gladly post pics...
I think it's to do with MSI's large oem market.Quote:
Originally Posted by NIVO
Not sure why MSI do it.
C1E Support is basically EIST but hardware-based. EIST is software-based (Windows power profiles etc). C1E will force Speedstep at all times.
Glad to see everything is working out for you all. Hopefully the same thing will come my direction.:D
After some problems with cmos after flashing bios .116 /thx to loonym for patience with me:clap: , this was nothing I could do by try and error way as usually :bsod: /, now I'm very pleased by this version... No more problems with usb devices... My G15 keyboard and G9 mouse workin right after restart /so I can get to bios, which was not possible before, I needed to use PS2 old one/..Restart is not taking so long time like before /there was 5-10sec pauses between beeps and now beeping fast one by one so I think there are no more problems with mapping hardware/.... Looks like a Final Candidate /using apple talk/ for official release..
What I'm still not able is run system with CL4 memory settigs /which should be default with these RAMs / and overclocked cpu at the same time... Auto setting works, but result is 5-5-5-18 T2...Default is 1.8V and I've set 2.1...But probably there's problem with Geil sticks /they were suspicious cheap/....
So, some first results..
CPU 1.32V /CPU VID 1.0375V -readed frome Core temp application/
NB 1.35V
RAM 2.1V
rest of voltages on auto
Eist and C1 disabled /by the way, nevermind, that those cpu setting are hidden, because they are disabled by default, probably because Eist is enabled by default/
FSB 420 MHz
Muliplier 9x /never used lower, but I've had a look and there's possibility to use a half multipliers as well.../
So I'm on 3780 Mhz... /3.8G was my goal so I'm close and that was first try with this bios/
I'm using Linked setting so my RAM is 787MHz CL5 T2 now, what makes 15:16 ratio... manual setting to 800 cause just black screen...
As I mentioned, cannot change RAM setting without unstabble behaviour...
But with actual prices of DDR2 I see no problem to try some other...
Runned Everest stress test for about a hour without error and don't remember so nice flat line of cpu usage on 100% before...
3D Mark06 on default 1280x1024 no AA wit score 16879
1680x1050 4 AA /quality 4/ Anisotropic F /level 10/ with score 12402
I remember higher scores with 1.0 bios version but with better RAM settings on 4-4-4-15 T1 with 2.1V power setting, anyway for longer use too unstable... Really don't want see bsod 3 times a day..
I didn't try any game now / usually show more than tests..
Do somebody have some link with infos about FSB holes...? This is absolute unclear to me, what's this about and don't want to fill this thread with something, that's clear to others...
Anybody with E8400 on this board..? /edges of voltage settings for CPU and NB?/
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MSI P7N Diamond (780i)
E8400 Penryn on air (Zalman CNPS8700NT)
2x2G Geil Evo One DDR2 CL4 800MHz
2x MSI 8800GT 1GB OC in SLi
2x 150GB WD Raptor
750GB Seagate Barracuda
Power: Coolermaster M series 850W
Logitech G15 Keyboard
Logitech G9 Mouse
Vista 32Bit Ultimate
Dogg,
I had an E8400 installed for awhile. Check the board for my results. I was at 4.0GHz.
Hey everyone, I have new news. X-built, I would value your input on this especially. As previously reported, I have never been able to get a good OC out of my E8400 (see more specs in sig). I haven't given up on it thought. Tonight I tried some new things, but first some history:
Original BIOS - No OC ability
1B4 Beta allowed 3.4Ghz max
Recently updated to the .116 beta, still no OC past 3.4Ghz.
Some feedback I have been given is that having 4 dimms causes the NB to do more work, so tonight I took apart the rig and pulled dimms from slots 2 and 4, leaving me with just 2Gigs total. Rather ambitiously, I tried right away for 4.0Ghz using +0.2v vcore, 1.4v NB 2.10 dimms, and 25 FSB term. Bios would post but no windows load. I tried +0.25 on vcore same thing, so I guess the CPU volts wasn't an issue. So I decided to try something easier... the E8400 has a FSB hole at 1600 so I decided on 1666 and 833 ram. Set vcore to +0.2, Nb to 1.4, dimms to 2.20 and FSB term to 63. Guess what, windows loaded and thus i'm typing now.
So what does this tell us? I have NEVER been able to reach 3.8Ghz, not even close, that said I have not tested stability yet, but just the fact windows loaded is a big change. So was it the removal of 2 dimms? overcloking my remaining 2 dimms at 2.20v? the higher FSB term? some other factor? I really can't explain it. But at last now I have hope with the acheivment of 3.8Ghz. I would love some advice on where to go from here to reach the magic 4.0. I would also value some advice on how to test stability properly. I have SP2004 readdy to go but am unsure of options and settings.
Update: I decided to run some SP2004 tests. I ran 2 instances, one on core #0 and one on core #1. I set to blend testing. Both instances stopped at 5mins36secs with errors reported. My Vista Gadgets sidebar app also crashed, but windows remained operational. If it helps, here is the SP2004 log:
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More than one CPU detected.
You should run two copies of SP2004 simultaneously.
More than one CPU detected.
You should run two copies of SP2004 simultaneously.
Type: Blend - stress CPU and RAM Min: 8 Max: 4096 InPlace: No Mem: 1790 Time: 15
CPU: 3750MHz FSB: 333MHz [340MHz x 11.0 est.]
4/1/2008 11:59 PM Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
Press Stop to end this test.
Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using 1024K FFT length.
Test 2, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922943 using 1024K FFT length.
Test 2, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922943 using 1024K FFT length.
Test 3, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19374367 using 1024K FFT length.
FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.46875, expected less than 0.4
Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
Torture Test ran 5 minutes 36 seconds - 1 errors, 0 warnings.
Execution halted.
Test 3, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19374367 using 1024K FFT length.
FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
Torture Test ran 6 minutes 30 seconds - 1 errors, 0 warnings.
Execution halted.
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Cheers.
Overspeed,
Try running the small FFTs test, as it will stress only the CPU.
have the cpu at 3.2ghz stable and running ram 1000 at rated spec. Passing OCCT test of 1 hour, now for phase 2 of stability testing
http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/...1m_0877aa9.png
anybody mess around with the nb gtl yet???
It seemed to be the trick to gaining stability at any clock above ~3.3Ghz for me, but I never managed to dial it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacific vortex
well cant seem to get stability dialed in just yet on ram at higher speed(fails at 1hr 15min OCCT test) so I have reverted back to 3.2ghz 800mhz ram settings. OCCT pass 4 hour stability test :up: So this will be my base point to push further from.
http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/...rm_0c520e2.png
Some boards don't seem to need it, while others do. Loonym has had much success with the voltage. He may have some dial in ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by silent-circuit
bumpQuote:
Originally Posted by Overspeed
Try at 0.4 CPU Voltage. I have a feeling you're expecting too much out of your chip on too few volts. What is your VID?Quote:
Originally Posted by Overspeed
My VID is 1.0375. 1.4v will cook my chip, likely destroy it. I have been advised previously not to exceed +.3 in this CPU. This CPU can do 4.2+ easy (a good batch) on Intel boards with air cooling. I guess I'm curious to know if it was the removal of 2 DIMMS that allowed my chip to finally exceed the previous 3.4Ghz barrier or if it was another factor. If so then I might consider chucking my 4x1gb configuration for a 2x2gb. I'd be loosing my D9 Micron, but gaining Ghz on the CPU. As mentioned, SP2004 failed after 5 mins on blend tests. If I can get stable at the new 3.8ghx, I can start from there and work my way to the desired 4.0ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by silent-circuit
I've been following this thread over the past 3 weeks I've had my P7N Diamond and it's been extremely helpful. I've been able to get my Q6600 up to 3.6ghz, which is my goal but I can't get my OCCT test to pass. The two problems I run into is either to high of a core temp or a Code 1. My settings are below:
FSB = 1800
Multi = 8
VID=1.325
vCore= +.22500
Nb Volt = 1.45
GTL Ref = 60
FSB Term = 25
Ram = 800, 5-5-5-18 2T
Features = Off
Any tips in addition to what's already been posted would be great.
I've post my results with this cpu some posts below... I was trying settings posted by Yipster, but FSB Term setting offering me max 63 next is auto and then minus numbers... So I've tried 63 and Everest stress test failed after 20 secs.... Now I'm on 3780 MHz /my goal is your startpoint/ since then just one problem with game / test drive unlimited, once crashed with strange behaviour of LCD remaining in vista too, so I decided to restart immediatelly/...
I left many settings on auto ,so it looks like starting point...
There will be somethig about RAMs... I can't set CL4 settings /2x2G/, and your four slots installed could be a reason... I read many posts about problems using all slots... Usually not working properly...
Maybe start where I am and try to uderclock RAMs...
lol
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MSI P7N Diamond (780i)
E8400 Penryn on air (Zalman CNPS8700NT)
2x2G Geil Evo One DDR2 CL4 800MHz
2x MSI 8800GT 1GB OC in SLi
2x 150GB WD Raptor
750GB Seagate Barracuda
Power: Coolermaster M series 850W
Logitech G15 Keyboard
Logitech G9 Mouse
Logitech MOMO Racing Wheel
Eizo Flexscan S2031W
Vista 32Bit Ultimate
:up: :up: I just finished putting together my P7N Diamond-based system and it has been very impressive and without issue thus far. However, I have a few "open items" that I will outline below...
The set-up:
MSI P7N Diamond, Core 2 Quad Q6600 (VID of 1.1625 in Coretemp :D) , 8GB (4 x 2GB) OCZ Platinum Edition DDR2-1000 (2GB to install Vista and then to 8GB after SP1), 2x 8800GTXs in SLI, Auzentech X-Fi Prelude, 2x WD6400s in Raid-0 (OS & Files using onboard controller), 1x WD6400 eSATA (for back-up and using the onboard controller), 3x WD6400s waiting for a home (more on this below), Silverstone Strider ST-1000, Lite-On SATA 4x Blu-Ray Burner, Lian-Li V2000 Plus II and Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit.
SLI in one blue PCI-E slot and one white PCI-E slot:
In order to save the lone PCI slot for my X-Fi Prelude, I had to use this set-up. They are connected with the one long sli bridge that comes with the board. I started the system off with both of them in the blue slots for comparison.
SLI in Blue PCI-E Slots: 3D Mark Score of 11,194 (no OC)
SLI in Blue and White: 3D Mark Score of 10,223 (no OC)
I played Crysis before and after the change at 1920x1200, settings maxed out and 2x AA and I didn't notice any difference (aside from much better sound from the X-Fi Prelude ;))
Question: Has anyone got their hands on two of the long bridges and hooked both of them up with the blue and white slot configuration? If so, was there any performance increase? If not, I'm going to be the first :cool:.
BIOS issues:
The CPU and Memory are not in the preferred 1:1 ratio. Is there a "quick and dirty" way to go 1:1 on the 1.16beta BIOS? I don't want to play with the voltages until I do all of my homework on oc'n the board. I have a great VID on this G0 Q6600 (1.1625) so I don't want to screw up and fry it before I get to put it on water...
The Plan:
I have 2x 120.3 Swiftech MCR radiators a D-Tek fuzion (with quad nozzle kit), 2 Liang D5 vario pumps and 2 EK full coverage blocks for the 8800GTXs. I'm going to order the Koolance "GPU" block for the NB but what do you guys think I should get for the SB, MOSFETs and PCI-E "sub-SB?" I'm going to transition over to water (modding the v2000 for the two 120.3s) and try to OC to 3.6GHZ. :D
silent-circuit I see you have this board and the XFX780 which is better and more stable?
I've managed higher OCs with the XFX board. I'm stable at 3.6Ghz easily, whereas I could only get to 3.4 with the P7N, but I suspect this has more to do with my chip -- X3220 -- than the board, as many others have manage 3.6+ fine with the P7N.Quote:
Originally Posted by malik22
I do believe the P7N will last longer due to its better quality components, but unfortunately I can't afford (and have no real use for) two $250+ boards, so the P7N will be going back to Newegg on Monday.
JohnNYNJ,
This is what Pchas01 did on the MSI forums:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g...s01/P7N002.jpg
http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=115893.0 But he already showed you this.
I have been reading this board for about 2 weeks now and finally got all of my components to build my new system today. It was good I didn't get them sooner because I had time to reseat the Circu-pipe with Artic silver Ceramique and discovered that MSI had left the applicator tape on the stock thermal material. I was wondering if any one has an opinion on basically flashing the bios right out of the box? After assembling the system I played around with overclocking in bios and got as high as 3.48 ghz (387x9) on the 1.0 bios. I haven't installed windows yet or stress tested it, I just wanted to kind of see the limits of what I could do without causing the screen to just go black (which it did when I tried 400x9). The cpu I am using is a Xeon E3110 (Q805A165). I currently also have 2 X 1gb Crucial Ballistix Tracers installed and will try adding 2 more tomorrow. Also I will be installing Vista sometime tomorrow but will probably lower the settings a little. Any ideas on whether to flash the bios before or after installing windows would be appreciated. Thanks.
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MSI P7N Diamond
Xeon E3110 / Zerotherm BTF90
4x1 Gb Crucial Ballistix Tracer
MSI NX8800GTS OC
2x 160gb Deskstars Raid 0
2x Samsung S203N
OCZ GameXtreme 700
Antec P160
Question: Has anyone got their hands on two of the long bridges and hooked both of them up with the blue and white slot configuration? If so, was there any performance increase? If not, I'm going to be the first :cool:.
I would actually love to get my hands on an extra long bridge myself (I e-mailed Aaron about this earlier.) If anyone has an extra one they're never going to use and wants to send it to me, please PM :)
BIOS issues:
The CPU and Memory are not in the preferred 1:1 ratio. Is there a "quick and dirty" way to go 1:1 on the 1.16beta BIOS? I don't want to play with the voltages until I do all of my homework on oc'n the board. I have a great VID on this G0 Q6600 (1.1625) so I don't want to screw up and fry it before I get to put it on water...
For some reason there is no standard 1:1 setting on the P7N. To achieve 1:1 you have to set RAM mode to manual and do some math. Fortunately it's quite easy. To set 1:1 on the P7N, just set your RAM to 1/2 your FSB.
I'm not going to use the bridge. I had originally planned to do an GTS SLI setup. But I'd rather have the GX2 to use with Nehalem. I'm also in the UK, so it'd cost a bomb to send it to the states.
I've heard that the Enzotechs run hot but I agree that it's the only tried and true solution...Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronYuri
Stable at 3GHZ: no sweat :cool:.
8 GB OCZ (2x 4GB kits) DDR 2-1000 @ 5-5-5-18.1T @ 2.1v
I'm running 1:1 (1333 and 666), slightly bumped up vNB to 1.375 (still in MSI's "white" zone of values) and the minimum step-up on CPU (didn't try AUTO, I just bumped it up by .0125), FSB GTL 65, GSB Term 25 and all others on Auto. I'm reading around 48-50C under load with my microtemp infrared thermometer pointed at the NB. I'm running around 49.5-51.5C on the SB which seems a little high for this board - thoughts?
The hottest core is < 35C idle and hovers around 57C under load (65C max scared me a bit but I think OCCT at 94%+ usage is torture) on the stock Intel retail box cooler: *:clap: for Intel*.
I can't wait to put this system on water; I'm having a great time with this set-up. :up:
Many thanks to silent-circuit, theYipster, x-built-Stan, loonym, AaronYuri and Pchas01 on the MSI forum.
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9...ewhite3vk9.jpg
Watercooling/Case Modding thread on [H]
P.S. WTB: 1 long SLI cable! :cool:
Whats the diameter of the NB heatsink 60mm,80mm?
What is the exact model of Thermalright installed on mosfets?Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronYuri
That is a Thermalright HR09 (appears to be the HR-09U to be exact) which is supposed to be a perfect fit after you flip the holdown retainers over to reposition the spring pins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Family man 72
Info here: http://www.acousticpc.com/thermalrig..._heatsink.html
Congrats :up: and glad to hear you're having fun with the board. Keep us posted on your further endeavors.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnNYNJ
My aim wasn't to run the fastest system, but to have a most silent one. I have all the outer fans on my case (Antec P190) running on slow setting beside the 200something mm side fan, which runs at full speed (and still doesn't make much noise)
I've got the following system running stable at 3789 MHz for almost 2 months now:
P7N Diamond
Intel e8400 with AC Freezer 7 pro
G.Skill 2x2GB kit (F2-8000)
Antec P190 (I shot it for less than 100 € and couldn't resist .. love the thing)
PNY 8800GTS 512MB (G92)
BIOS settings are:
FSB 1684 MHz
Dram 842 MHz
CPU +0,15 V
NB 1,425 V
SB 1,525 V
DRAM 1,95 V
DRAM Timings 5/5/5/15
everything else is on auto (I didn't try to set things I've no knowledge of)
To get started, I was slowly increasing the CPU and DRAM frequencies and tried to run memtest with it. In the range from 1600 to 1650 MHz FSB I haven't had much luck, as the system wouldn't boot, or start memtest. I had to increase the voltage alot to get any results. Ahead of like 1660 MHz things started to get more stable with lower voltage. This is why I endet with the above figures.
The system in its current shape passed 8hrs of Orthos Blend as well as small FFT's (Blend usually gave me more issues .. even though the small FFT's were rather easily passed, it crashed while testing the larger FFT's in Blend).
The only thing I'm a little scared about are the temperatures. The CPU with around 60-65° C on a daily use (up to 75° C when testing with Orthos) doesn't give me headaches, but the NB/SB runs around 55° C which I think might be a tad high.
NB/SB at 55c is a tad high for this board under best circumstances, but nothing to worry about. A flexible fan mounted over the heat pipe (such as an Antec Spot Cool) will effectively lower temps, but of course will also add noise.
As for the proc, E8400s have been known to incorrectly report temps, although I'm not aware if it's a cpu issue, temp software issue, or board / bios issue. If you feel temps are accurate, you can check the mount of your cooler (is it installed correctly with the right amount of TIM applied?) or invest in better cooling. Unfortunately, a better air cooler will also be louder. If you want maximum cooling potential with minimum noise, water is your best bet.
using my new rig for 2 weeks now, I wanna share my (happy) feelings with you.
so, as described in my sig, I wanted a silent system, powerful enough for actual games. of course this computer won't be "gaming only", but it will be its major job. I didn't know that much about the board and the RAM I bought, but I thought it would be perfect for me. this is the first time that I don't choose an Asus motherboard (and also the first time I don't buy an intel chipset), but I really really don't regret it. I was used to MSI graphic cards, so I decided to take the P7N Diamond, cos' I've never been disappointed with MSI products. other reasons were the X-Fi sound card (can't forget my good old AWE32... snif...) and all the connectors available. X-Fi has been hard to configure, but it's finally working fine. Crucial was not my first choice (corsair dominator first), but different tests and articles convinced me that corsair was not what it was before, so, I choose the crucials. with their leds and with the leds on the mobo, my computer looks like a christmas tree (what I wasn't thinking about at the beginning). I finally bought a lian li transparent panel for my tower (compatible with lancool pc-k7), 'cos I wanna see all those lights all the time !!!
about the 2x NX8800GT Silent : I've read all the articles around with those new 9800 generation cards, and I still have the feeling I made the right choice. they are silent & powerful : 1680x1050 in every games, with 4xAA and anisotrop on. Crysis is the only game that suffer bad performances with those settings, but Crysis is not the only video game on earth :p:
after reading all the messages in this topic (and after theYipster was kind enough to explain the basics of overclocking in a long post), I tried some overclocking. the biggest I tried was 4Ghz, but I've never been able to stabilize it. 3.8Ghz was working, but hot hot hot. as I first wanted a powerful and silent computer, I prefer to leave overclocking for now. I don't need it, and I'm still scared about making anything bad. and I don't want this computer to need more cooling and more noise. Noctua's fans are definately the most silent I've ever bought.
actually, I'm running P07 bios, which is the only one that allow me to put 9.5 multiplier for my CPU. don't want that speedstep thing to take control of my rig ! as my ram needed to be manually set in the bios to get right CAS and voltage, I prefer to do the same with my CPU (even if OCCT is reporting a very little overclocking, CPU@3170Mhz (0.16% overclock) and RAM@333.8Mhz (0.24%). if someone can explain :confused: ).
that's it. thanks for your help, thanks for sharing and be sure I'll stay with you to read your "adventures" :rofl:
What size fan will fit the Northbridge?
After changing bios version from 116B to 07B my issues with RAM settings are gone /big thx to loonym for bios file:up: /.... Even when I set RAM settings to manual CL4 /4-4-4-18 T1/ settings are already there and I'm able to go up with FSB on those settings...
So, I'm stable on 3960 MHz....1760MHz FSB, 800MHz RAM, CPU voltage +0.2000V, RAM voltage 2.10V, NB voltage 1.35V everything else on auto...
Everest stress test no crash after 30mins... Played Half Life2 with no crash..
No USB device issues as with 1.0 version..
Some 3D mark scores...
Default setting of 3Dmark....... 17 547 3Dmarks
1680x1050, 4xAA/quality 4/, AF/quality 10/.... 12 587 3Dmarks
/ with these settings there's just small increase, but probably that's the graphic card border/
Some temperatures while running stress test
CPU1 and CPU2 max on 67 C /read from everest/... don't care about CPU temp which is still showing 50C
NB on 46C / read from my temp sensor installed on NB /
SB on 47C / read from my temp sensor installed on SB /
So those are somethig about 5-7C more than on default... Heatpipes are hot on touch, but that's the reason why they are there :D
Today I'll try some more difficult games than HL2..
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MSI P7N Diamond (780i)
E8400 Penryn on air (Zalman CNPS8700NT)
2x2G Geil Evo One DDR2 CL4 800MHz
2x MSI 8800GT 1GB OC in SLi
2x 150GB WD Raptor
750GB Seagate Barracuda
Power: Coolermaster M series 850W
Logitech G15 Keyboard
Logitech G9 Mouse
Logitech MOMO Racing Wheel
Eizo Flexscan S2031W
Vista 32Bit Ultimate
FSB term voltage still showing max value 63 /no 65 settings as Yipster post/
Anyway, I'm happy with this performance.... All games running more than 60 fps, just Crysis is something for next year machines /or maybe later/ :D ...
Haha... I'm still here! I always knew it would take more than a couple guys with knives to kill me :D
Glad to hear things are working out for you dogg and that this bios is a step in the right direction for most.
well I'm glad youre still with us but...care to explain?:confused:Quote:
Haha... I'm still here! I always knew it would take more than a couple guys with knives to kill me
in french, I would say "il n'y a que les imbéciles qui ne changent pas d'avis" means only stupid guys don't change their mind... I've finally managed a stable 4.0Ghz overclocking with my E8500, but it was hard for me to find what was going wrong...
first, some shots :
3D Mark 2003 with CPU-Z :
http://users.skynet.be/keyser.soze/3dm03.jpg
3D Mark 2005 with CPU-Z :
http://users.skynet.be/keyser.soze/3dm05.jpg
3D Mark 2006 with CPU-Z, GPU-Z and RealTemp:
http://users.skynet.be/keyser.soze/3dm06.jpg
forgot to take shots of OCCT and Orthos, but they both ran fine for some hours...
the settings now (with bios P07) :
FSB : 1686
DRAM : 843
CPU RATIO : 9.5
CPU Volt : 0.22500
DRAM Volt : 2.20
NB Volt : 1.400
CPU GTL : 25
FSB TERM : 63
all others Auto except for the DRAM settings which I had to change to 5-5-5-18-30-2T to get it stable... believe it or not, but my RAM settings were the problem. with 4-4-4-12-24-2T which is supposed to be normal, no way to get it stable. with the others, everything is running smooth...
thanks theYipster for being such a good teacher :up:
CPU-Z validation : here
PS: now, I know my CPU can handle it, but I'm back to its default settings... I feel safer that way... :p:
EDIT: mistyped RAM settings, sorry
I had surgery for bladder cancer and was in the hospital several days.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacific vortex
glad you are still with us loonym :up:
Here, here, loonym! :) Happy to know you're still with us too... all the best!
same thing for all the good things : you think it's gone, and, no, it's not... great to see you back loonym :)
lol me too :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NIVO
Maybe it's just me but every ram I've tried in here so far runs 1T and tight timings 1:1 @800 flawlessly.
noob question (still discovering in fact) : what are the best ram settings (for speed in general, forget about overclocking) ? 800Mhz@4-4-4-12-24 or 1000Mhz@5-5-5-15-30 ? can't find and understand a good answer to this... :(
I Have a question with 8800gtx in sli in the blue slots will the included X-Fi Xtreme fit?and is there and alternative if not im getting this board next week
Malik, the included X-Fi PCI-E card will fit with two GTXs in the blue slots.
Ok thx theres no other audio with the board?
The board ships with a PCI-E X-fi daughter card instead of on-board audio.
Quote:
Originally Posted by theYipster
So I will have to but one of the gtx in the white slots right?I heard theres a performance hit from putting one card in the white slot.
don't know which GTX you choose, but if it's standard dual slot, there's no problem to put the X-Fi in the free PCI-e 1x slot remaining. I'm using 2 MSI 8800GT Zilent in SLI, they are dual slot, I placed them in the blue slots and there's enough space to put the X-Fi between them.
@ theYipster : any answer to my question about RAM timing and frequency ? if i'm right, the fastest, the best (so I would say 1000Mhz@5-5-5-15 better than 800Mhz@4-4-4-12). but I prefer an expert to tell me... :)
[QUOTE=gamin;2912058]don't know which GTX you choose, but if it's standard dual slot, there's no problem to put the X-Fi in the free PCI-e 1x slot remaining. I'm using 2 MSI 8800GT Zilent in SLI, they are dual slot, I placed them in the blue slots and there's enough space to put the X-Fi between them.
Gamin yes its the standard dual slot yipster has 8800gtx in sli and said it wont fit.
oh and yipster i was talking about the pcie xi fi that comes with the board.
gamin...
It depends on your FSB. If you're running a 1600mhz FSB or lower, then 800 at 4-4-4-12 is better. If you're running a 2000mhz FSB, then you want the 1000mhz option. Remember 1:1 is best, and tighter timings go further on an nForce platform than higher mhz. You should only run 1000mhz RAM if you running a 2000mhz (500mhz base) FSB.
Malik,
what did I say wouldn't fit? Only a PCI sound card won't fit with two GTXs in the blue slots. A PCI-E sound card will fit fine.
I was reading the whole to topic to verify what you said, cos' that's what I wanted to say...Quote:
Originally Posted by theYipster
Malik : it will work, don't be afraid. if not, you still have 2 PCI-e 16x slots free to put the X-Fi in it, so no prob.
@theYipster : once again, simple words to explain things... thanks for that :up:
Yipster i miss read your post sorry and thanks again for your help.
I think best performance would be if you run 1:1 and as tight timings as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamin
You have Ballistix, micron ICs, should be possible to run them 4-4-3-8 with 2.2V or even 4-3-3-8. :up:
This board seems to love the tight timings.
Malik,
I run two 8800GTXs in SLI. Both are in the blue PCI-E slots. The X-FI daughter card is positioned in the white PCI slot between the two cards. Everything fits just fine. See the picture.
Well i tried to find out how to fix vdrop no luck im droping 0.05 i have to set my q6600@3600 to 1.535 volts thats terrible i watch my volts drop to 1.48 from 1.525 im getting anoyed
Vdroop is a fact of life with almost any 775 board available today. Learning how it effects your overclock, temps and stability and how to compensate for it will make everything more enjoyable for you I hope. I haven't seen any volt mods anywhere for this board or even read points posted but neither have I seen anyone specifically ask for help in discovering any of that.
Hi Guys !!!
I have my rig,,,
Q6600@ 3.6ghz 1600 x 9
Ballistix 1066mhz DDR2 at 800 mhz @ 3-3-3-6 2t
MSI P7N Diamond
Artic freezer pro 7 lapped and nice and shiney..
Running BIOS 1.16....
I had the p07 bios it would let me adjust FSB tp 1800 so 900 1:1 at a lot lower core V and temps but it would cause my 2 x ASUS 8800GT`s to fall on their ass!!!!!
Hopefully i can sort this with a new Bios or new firmware...
So what is in fact better....
to run at 1800 fsb so 900 mhz Around 9600 mhz read in everest
or
1600 fsb so 800 mhz around 9100 mhz in everest..
I know what you will say the 1800 fsb version but in fact which is the better for performance. if i can sort the Gpu problem i will go back to the p07 bios but it would not let me run at 3-3-3-6........
so what do you think....????:confused:
So which bios are you on now? 116? Will that bios let you run 8 multi with the q6600? I'm not sure of the question? 450x8 vs 400x9? Of course the higher fsb will be desirable if you can do it stable. I see you posted some everest read numbers. How much of a hit do you take with bios P07 using that bench if you have to run cas4 vs cas3?
Congrats on the OC SBlaster! Please post your voltage settings for 3.6ghz at both 1600mhz and 1800mhz so that we can all compare notes and add to our knowledge pool :)
Generally speaking, tighter timings are preferable to a faster RAM clock speed on nForce boards. CAS3 at 800mhz is nothing to scoff at. You might also want to try for a T1 command rate at 800mhz. If you can achieve it (and I'd say you have a good shot,) you'll realize a nice performance boost.
Hi !!Quote:
Originally Posted by theYipster
Yipster....
I have reflashed to P07 and sorted the graphics problems with a run through with drivercleaner and so the new firmware for the twin GT`s work fine so i can post votages for you guys....
Running a GO Q6600
FSB 1800 450 x 8
MEM 900 Mhz @ 2.3v ( Crucial Ballistix 1066Mhz ) @4-4-4-4 2T TRC 10, TWTR 8 everything else on auto.
CPU in BIOS and increase of 0.1875 giving 1.384v in real time in CPUID. ( May have to increase after more hardcore burn ins )
NB 1.4v
CPU GTL 65
FSB TER 25
With the spectrum and the other Guff ! disabled, mem on expert, everything else on Auto !!
Im getting around 9620 MB/s in everest read tests for the mem..
18000 in 3DMARK 06
Temps run at 28-32 deg C standing to 58 deg C Full load....water cooling on order !!! LOL...
I have had this Boot @ 4.2 GHz for a mad two min test....dangerous...but it did boot.... Hopefully i can still get it to this once a good dose of water is applied..!!!! wish ful thinking !!!!:up:
If you want i can post screenies once i suss who to do it..( NOOB ) lol someone please PM me to save embarrasment ...ha ha ha ....:shocked:
Hi Loonym !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
I am using P07 now but will go back to the other bios and post results.....
Im at 1800 x 8 @3.6 ghz
With mem at 4-4-4-4 2t everest reads 9620 mb/s
at 5-5-5-18 2t everest reads 9150 mb/s
A hell of a differance !!!!!!
I still could do with some help on the timings as i would love to get to 10 K reads, i should be able to. I would also like a 1T read but would propably need some help with them settings......
Whats the highest anyone has gone with a Q6600 ????? i did a 4.2 with the 1.16 bios !!!!!! but as the water is on order thats as far as it goes till then...Booooo!!!!!! :eek:
It seems i have a decent chip here, and of course a first class motherboard !!! best i have ever had, it will and has !! took so much stick ...and i still comes back for more !!
WELL DONE MSI !!!!!:clap:
I did 4.05ghz with the 1.1B4 BIOS. I'm at 3.6ghz currently with my Q6600. It looks like you have a great chip if you're on 28-32 idle / mid 50s load at 3.6ghz on air. What's your VID and Batch number?
>|S|<blaster, nicely done. No real need to reflash the 116 bios. I'm certain the multis won't won't work with q6600.
Hi Yipster..
The quad is a BX80562Q6600SLACR GO
Other info.....MM#891337
Version# E10342-001
FPO L740A800
Is that all you needed....??????:welcome:
LoonyM
Hi I have a water kit on order, but im not sure it will be OK?? its a thermaltake big water 760i..is that ok or sould i go for a custom rig made from select bits ????
Please give some tips.........:rolleyes:
Heh, out of all that, all I was looking for was the FPO / Batch. This code indicates when the chip was fabricated. In many costs, chips from the same batch often have similar OC characteristics. The other numbers aren't as meaningful.Quote:
Originally Posted by >|S|<blaster
Do you know your VID? I'm most interested in that number. You can read it from Core Temp. Let me know :)
Also, custom water rigs are always best, but they do take a good amount of time to research, plan, and put together.
My Q6600 is cooled by a custom rig I put together. The water block is a D-Tek Fuzion, the radiator is a Swiftech MCR-320, the pump is a Laing DDC-3.2 (with Petra's custom top,) and the reservoir is a Swiftech M-CRES Micro. I use ever-popular Masterkleer 7/15 tubing to put it all together.
Hi !!
Yipster..
The VID is 1.250V
Any good for ya !!:shrug:
Yeah that's what I was looking for.. thx :) 1.38v for 3.6ghz is quite impressive for an L740 with a 1.25 VID... but this of course assumes stability. What stability tests have you run?
While water interests me a great deal it's just a little too much investment for me right now. This is definately the right place for info and ideas though.
Hey all,
You may have seen some of my posts over on the MSi user forums, but I thought I'd post here as well. I wanted to inquire about the P7N and 45nm quad support. I'll be slapping my box together here in a few hours and I wanted to know if you guys would advise me to flash my bios to either P07 or 1.16? I currently am using a Striker II Formula w/ an Intel X3350 Quad (Q9450 equiv). I've read a couple posts saying that P07 and 1.16 provide some further support for 45nm quads. Is this statement true?
While I do not plan to overclock right now, I probably will do so later if this thing is stable for about two weeks. Please see the quoted post below as well as my signature for specs on my machine for some additional details and why I'm using the P7N over the Striker II Formula (POS!).
Thanks!
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Some background information on my build may help your responses. I had been running the aforementioned hardware w/o problems for 2 weeks. I do not plan on overclocking and the system ran stock speeds/etc for 2 weeks. I was playing some World of Warcraft and the system locked up on me. I rebooted and was unable to get any graphics from PCI-E Slot1 on my Striker II Formula. Did a number of tests and found that the issue was not with the gfx cards, but in my opinion, a bad PCI slot (which in my experience is virtually unheard of).
I had the system stable for about a day or so running on 1 of my 8800GTS. It then started locking up again about after anywhere from 20minutes to 2 hours of gameplay. From my research, I know that 780i NB/SB temps get really hot. My temps are as follows as per bios/other utilities are reporting:
MB: 32C idle / 35C load
CPU1: 40C idle / 51C load
CPU2: 40C idle / 51C load
CPU3: 37C idle / 42C load
CPU4: 37C idle / 42C load
NB: 75C idle (damn thats hot!) / 78C load
SB: 60C idle / 63C load
GPUs: Idle 40-45C / load 50-55C max
Based on that info, I'm thinking that the NB/SB temps got so hot and unstable over 2 weeks, that it caused my PCI-E Slot1 to burnout/malfunction.
So the point I'm at right now, I purchased an MSI P7N Diamond as I heard that this board is having the most success/longevity out of the 780i boards and has cooler temps on the NB/SB. Also, I've always been a fan of MSI over Asus but my last two builds have had no issues with my Asus boards. I'm going to install all my components on this board and see if I can get it working while my Striker II Formula ships back for RMA.
I have a couple of questions for those of you who are using the MSI P7N Diamond:
1. Anyone have any thoughts on my initial issue with my other motherboard as described above?
2. Will the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme fit on this board? I've heard both yes and no. According to Thermalright's
website, it says that the Ultra 120 will fit. Anyone had any experience with this? If this will not fit, what air cooling solution can you suggest for this board and my setup?
3. Will the MSi P7N Diamond support the Intel Quad Xeon X3350? I've heard mixed things about the 45 nm quad support, however people have seemed to have some success with the latest beta bios available for the P7N and seen people running this board with the Q9450 which is the exact same thing as the X3350. Where can I download the latest beta bios to best support my build?
4. Will the Creative X-Fi Fatality fit while running in x2 SLI? I've heard yes and no on this one as well.
5. Do I need/do you suggest to get any additional chasis/nb/sb cooling? The case is very open and I have a great airflow system going with equal intake/exhaust.
6. Any other suggestions/advice you readers can provide is greatly appreciated in advance. My goal for this build is to have a stable system using 780i with 2-way SLI DDR2 on air cooling that I can enjoy for a couple years before I get the itch to build another system.
Thanks in advance!
I've seen several posts confirming that the multis, including halfs, do work with P07 and 45nm. The x-fi card fit's nicely in the second pci-e x1 slot with even the double slot vid cards. My answer to extra chipset cooling is my ghetto fan and bracket which you've already had the pleasure(?) of seeing. :D
Sweet deal, one thing to note is that I'm not going to be using the card that comes with the P7N, but the Creative X-Fi Platinum Fatality Champion which is standard PCI. It needs an available PCI 2.1 slot or whatever, which I think on the P7N board is the yellow or white.
With a double slot cooler the vid card crowds that 1 lonely pci slot pretty tight.
Yah, I'll probably go with 1 card in a blue PCIE slot and 1 card in a white PCIE slot to fit it in. I can't live without my front panel LiveDrive. I've read that some people see a drastic drop in fps or performance with this setup and most people have reported minor issues (1-3 fps) in games. I can definitely live with 1-10 less fps in games if it means I can use my livedrive =).
What im going to do is just use the soundcard that comes with the P7N and get my system up and running and do some 3dmark/prime/memtest etc benchmarking with the 2 blue pcie slots and then switch it to white and see how big the difference actually is.
Zillmc,
Please read me top post for information regarding 2x SLI with a PCI Slot. It can be done, but you will need to run one of your cards in the white x16 PCI-E 1.1 slot, assuming both are dual width cards. This is because the board's only PCI slot sits below the second blue PCI-E 2.0 slot.
Some report a slight 500-700 point drop in 3DMark Scores when running SLI with one card in the PCI-E 1.1 slot, although I've seen bigger swings just by switching drivers.
The drop I noticed and tested was in the area of 5% or less depending on usage.
Yup, thanks. I'm not super familiar with 3dMark, i probably run it 2-5 times per build the first week (which is like 10-15 times total ;])
What would drops in 3dmark score of lets say, 500-1000 points translate into gaming and FPS?
depeends on the game and on other components in the system... at most, maybe 1-3fps in most games with all other things being equal.
So I got the rig up and running. Posted on the first attempt w/o any issues, recognized the X3350 quad and my 1066 OCZ.
As I was installing Vista x64, it wouldn't make any progress (Expanding Files 0%) and would BSOD w/ 0x00000109 or 0x0000007E. Did that a few times and I chalked it up to some sort of filesystem or disk error. So as it was trying to expand the files I opened up a DOS prompt w/ shift-f10 and did "md windows" and it started working lol. Have nooooo clue what was going on there :confused: .
With the TRUE, Coretemp is reporting cores idling 35-40C and under load fluctuating between 44-50C.
Next steps ->
Finishing Vista 64 SP1 install
Pop in other stick of 2gb
Setup SLI in the two blue PCIEs and 3dmark/prime
Setup SLI in 1 blue 1 white and 3dmark/prime
Try to squeeze in my beloved X-Fi Platinum Fatality Champion Ed w/ LiveDrive :up:
I'll post some results and follow up soon!
Hi guys I just set up my board and everything is running great I have a question though this is the fan on my thermalright 120 X
http://www.nanoxia.com/?go=fx12&cat=products&lng=de
It comes with a small fan controller but I broke it and dont have any other fan controllers so I just hooked up the fans 3pin into the mobo.How can I know at what cfm the fan is running and can I change that in the bios?
If it's connected to the cpu fan header on the mobo you can check it in the H/W Monitor section of bios. There is a fan control setting in that section but I haven't tested it.
Thx loonym the cpu header is a 4pin will it be ok cause the fan is only a 3pin.
As long as the yellow wire for the sensor is there I think yes.
Hey guys, I'm up and running right now but I had a quick question about my temps. They seem a tad bit high for not overclocking. Check the screenshot. It's about 70-80°F in my room right now as I'm in Cali :D so keep that in mind. Let me know what you think. Again, I have a Stacker 830 Evo, x4 chasis Scythe SFLEX 120mms, and a TRUE. I wish I could see what my NB/SB temps are as those worry me ;/
CPU Temps
Summary:
X3350 Thermal Spec: 71°C
Idle:
MB: 41°C
CPU: 27°C
Core1: 47°C
Core2: 47°C
Core3: 44°C
Core4: 42°c
Load:
MB: 43°C
CPU: 48°C
Core1: 63°C
Core2: 62°C
Core3: 57°C
Core4: 56°C
As this is my first multi-core processor, I'm not too familiar with the expected values/limits for CPU and individual core temps. As such, I' unsure of the implications of my CPU being quite cool but the cores running ~20C hotter.
Btw, not sure why it's not displaying correctly, looks fine on my side. Could be using cmd.exe ftp to put the file or something ;]
Is there a program that will tell me what cfm its running at?Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
I just downloaded beta bios 1.16 and P07 is it good for q6600? or P05? if P05 is better, where can i find it? i just getting the P07. thx
P07 and 1.16 are better for the Q6600 than P05. I recommend avoiding P05 in general as it had issues with video card drivers.
Zillmc,
Those temps do look high, but then again many have had issues with accurate 45nm temp reporting. What software are you using to monitor temps?
Thx bro, soon i'll will update my bios to P07 n 1.16 bios. n trying to set similar like ur post for my quad. hope my system can get stable as ur system got. ^^ oor is it possible to get 3.8ghz stable with air cooling? i'm using Thermalright 120 ultra extreme with 2 fan from thermaltake. n for the nb n sb i'm using 1 antec spot cool, is it enough for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by theYipster
It really depends, as every chip is unique when it comes to overclocking. Good luck :)
I'm using Everest Ultimate 4.50 to monitor my temperatures as you can see in the screenshot above.Quote:
Zillmc,
Those temps do look high, but then again many have had issues with accurate 45nm temp reporting. What software are you using to monitor temps?
According to this guide posted here it looks like my temps aren't that bad: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/22...perature-guide
As I have an X3350, it's equivalent is the Q9450. It looks like my temps are in the safe range according to that guide, however I'm not sure what truely is correct. My chip's thermal spec is 71C, but I'm not sure what my Tcase temp is or if its even being displayed in Everest.Quote:
Scale 2: Quad
Q9x50: Tcase Max 71c, Stepping C1
Q9300: Tcase Max 71c, Stepping M1
Q6x00: Tcase Max 71c, Stepping G0
-Tcase/Tjunction-
--70--/--75--75--75--75-- Hot
--65--/--70--70--70--70-- Warm
--60--/--65--65--65--65-- Safe
--25--/--30--30--30--30-- Cool
new problem here : has anyone of you tried to install linux with this mobo ? I'm actually trying to get sound working with Ubuntu 7.10 (haven't tried 8.04 RC. waiting for the final release next week). for what I've read around, there are many problems getting X-Fi sound cards to work under linux. already tried the latest creative beta drivers that appeared yesterday on their website, but no way to get the card recognized. also tried alsa 1.0.16 and oss 4, but still no luck.
any help greatly appreciated...