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Thanks. i see you have an 0308WPMW. mine are 0310WPMW.
you gotta love'em.:thumbsup:
Yeah I just got an Abit NF7-s rev 2.0 just working on it can do 245FBS but not so stable man but I am hoping around 230 maybe HEHE did the L12 yesterday I couldn’t even do 200Fsb stable, and couldn’t even boot at 220 lol
Check this out.this is @ only 1.75v:D
How about this?:)
Nice I can hit 245 HAAHAHA
:toast: :slobber: Ill have to try harder!:thumbsup:
That's great results guys
Just wondering if I put an AMD HSF on the NB on the Nf7-S will I see more stability? in FSB ?>? Cheers
i think so, the stock hsf on the nb is rather weak so more cooling can never hurt
so to do the 8 bit mode am i supposed to connect the pins with the white lines on them in the picture and for the l12 i can just connect pins on the bottom right ????
Putting a HSF will help you overclock a little more. I realized that early. Also, I might be a good idea to lap the NB that way you will have better contact with any HSF. This will also lower you temps a few degrees.
Thats what im running on my NB while my chiller is down, a factoryQuote:
Originally posted by Volcom
Just wondering if I put an AMD HSF on the NB on the Nf7-S will I see more stability? in FSB ?>? Cheers
Amd 2100+ hsf.:thumbsup:
Quote:
Originally posted by vlad
Thats what im running on my NB while my chiller is down, a factory
Amd 2100+ hsf.:thumbsup:
DID IT HELP ?
I dont think my cpu likes high FSB :rolleyes: :confused: :(
I'd say about 5 or 6mhz. thats about the same increase i saw with my epox & the same hsf.Quote:
Originally posted by Volcom
DID IT HELP ?
I dont think my cpu likes high FSB :rolleyes: :confused: :(
hey guys this thread is great and really helping out i tried the mod by inserting some phone wire into the socket for ah30 and a vss i guess it booted up as a 2700 in the bios but when i hit save and exit it wouldnt boot up again till i took the wire and cleared the bios anybody have any idea why?also second question the stepping on my 2100 is airga so that means its a tbred A correct is that determined by the second a i just wanna know because im gonna go searchin for one and id like to know how to tell if its a b core by lookin at it cuz b's are better overclockers right???? thanks for all your help.
xxxxA is a tbred-a, yes.
Yeah u have a A core not a good @
look at mine cpu look at the underline it's a B at the end
kool thanks would yu recommend i buy a 2100 or a 1700 ?
or would an unlocked 2500 be better??
thanks for your help
any of the u poster r good 1700xp over 2100xp and 2500xp over 1700xp :)
EDIT: LOL
so the 1700's are better i dont get the 2nd part about the 2500's
His order of preference (best first)-
1 xp2500+
2 1700+
3 2100+
If I was going to replace my xp1800+ @2.4Ghz (done 2.5Ghz with cold water) 2.03v; then I would consider the xp2600+ barton. I would imagine that they would generally guarentee a latesr core which *should* be a good thing.
Can you get me the complete stepping? :DQuote:
Originally posted by pc ice
i have been playing with my new barton 2600 and it do's 2.520 @1.8v on water and 2.740 benchable @-20 underload @1.8v
but it is a newer chip and it is locked but it do's great on it's defualt multi so i kept it so it's a toss up on buying a newer locked chip or a older unlocked chip. i would think.
whos stepping mine is airga
I meant pcice's stepping.
But I would suggest you to changing out the a-tbred for a 2600er barton... :) (Think others may have suggested you before)
Edit: Welcome to Xtreme :D
oh yeah oc ice i tried the 8 bit mod and all it did was take away my default and change it to only user defined you i also have to do the pin mod for it to work like yours
The L12 mod I did was to the mobo not the cpu and steal get the same options as pc ice
maybe i did somethin wrong ill try again
Try booting @ 200fsb then check the bios. it did the same thing to me"Loser defined";) . but after i went above 200fsb 3200+ became an option. i recently reverted to bios 10 & it did the same thing but listed 3100+ as an option. also when ever i reset the cmos it goes back to Loser defined till i go above 200fsb again.Quote:
Originally posted by vexandsiolence
oh yeah oc ice i tried the 8 bit mod and all it did was take away my default and change it to only user defined you i also have to do the pin mod for it to work like yours
bios 10 was unstable so im back to 14. this chip seems to like
high fsb but not above multi 11 yet.
i cant get to 200 fsb it wont start i think its memory i only have a 256 stick
pc ice what bios are you using or anyone who got 8 bit mode to work
Is it able to pass any bench???
how can i tell if the l12 mod worked??
See if you can push the fsb higher then before. did you do the 8bit mod? if so youll see +3200 & user defined as the cpu choises.
hey pc ice, wut stepping is that 2500? what cooling do u use? (I apologize if u already mentioned it and I just didnt read it)
If I get the L12 mod done then I'm definitely getting a higher FSB right ?
:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally posted by Swiftech
If I get the L12 mod done then I'm definitely getting a higher FSB right ?
l12 mod didnt' do crap for me.
Ok, correct me if I am wrong. If the L12 mod is successful, my CPU would be detected as 166 default during bootup. Correct ?
i guess it should, but mine didn't :(Quote:
Originally posted by Swiftech
Ok, correct me if I am wrong. If the L12 mod is successful, my CPU would be detected as 166 default during bootup. Correct ?
I did mine and it gave me many many options in overclocking. The first time I booted it gives me "User Defined", 3100+, 3000+ and so on (around 12 options)... Once I chose one of them it saved whatever I chose and use that as the default until I clear the cmos... So I don't really know if it became a 166fsb CPU or not but it did change something :cool:
Probably because mine is a 1700+ and it doesn't have a 166fsb nor 200fsb version with the same multiplier and core ;)
Does anyone know where i can get the 10d BIOS? This is the one with the SATA drivers correct?
Thanks
damn, i'm dumb... i did the mod wrong, using the wrong socket holes...
i'll tell yah my results when i have time to test
Just did mine with the wire in the socket. Booted up at 200X11( was at 220X11) and only gave me options for user define or XP3200 so i guess it worked. But i haven't seen any gains yet, still can't run 230 stable like my last 1700.:(
Looks like the d20 bios was holding me back. Just flashed to the d10 and peaked at 240X10:D Not stable though, I'm pretty sure this board needs some mods to get stable. Still playing with it and running at 230X10@1.9V for now. Thanks for the great guide.:thumbsup:
whussup everybody??
alright, i tried the wire trick on my motherboard, i tried forcing the 133fsb and i also tried the forcing 200fsb. each one gave me the same result: it booted, i got to the BIOS, and then it restarted, and just kept restarting! :( anyone have any ideaz why?? o and herez my info if it helpz any:
Barton 2800+ 333fsb
EpoX 8rda3+
OCz EL 466 DDR
you think i should just try the L12 mod instead??
thankz!
Another success story here, use single strand from a floppy cable and inserted into the CPU holder and wallah cpu recognised as a 166fsb chip :D
Not sure if its help yet im reinstalling windows then going to overclock, bbl :)
you guys know if there is a wire mod to make a 166 fsb cpu into a 133 fsb one ? ("reverse L12") ??
Thanx
I think you'll have to cut a bridge to do it reverse, i think there's a thread in the stickied about it
Thanx anti - thats what I figured
Need some help here.
I can run 11.5*240 but it's not stable, i'll need more vdimm for that. The problem is i cant boot anything below 240fsb!! 220fsb works fine but 230 dousn't work at all, not even 237. Ram is corsair pc3500v1.1 so i guess its bh5 and running @ 2.9 - 3.0vdimm. I got 247fsb on those sticks at the same voltage but its not 3dmark stable.. Vdd is at 1.7. Can you guyz help?
Try moding ur psu 3.3 rail what psu u have anyways ?
I think your NB needs more V, 240 with 1,7V is already good, try at 1,9v or higher
Its @ 3.54v It's an enermax 465wQuote:
Originally posted by Volcom
Try moding ur psu 3.3 rail what psu u have anyways ?
Then try what Marlboro Man
sad :)
my board needs a little help too to go over 225, but my soldering skills aren't so good.
P.S. And dont forget to cool down the mosfets if you havent cooled it yet.
and don't forget the SB, it can get pretty hot! If you start having problem with the mousen usb devices or sound that means you dhould add a heatsink on the sb
i have this zalman thing on it, but im must cut 2 lines of fins to use my revoltec ram coolers for my Graphiccard
heres a pic of it.
http://christopherpruehl.argon235.se...hner/graka.JPG
the wire method works like a charm.
easy as hell-did it in about 10 minutes.
got an old ide cable. stripped one of the wires. there was a bunch of about 5 wires that came out.
took one, cut it to about 1.5CM in length.
put a loop on each end.
pushed my finger on it, so it would stick on my finger. put my finger against the pins that ragnarok showed (on one of the first pages). the wire fell off my fingers onto the pins. put chip in, booted.
(i had a dlt3c 1700+)
it was now detected as a 2600+ :)
166FSB
I did the L12 Mod as well. Before I had a 2600+ ( 133 * 16 ) afterwards a 2600+ with 166fsb and 12,5 multiplier!
But it didn't help me to raise the FSB any higher. I also did the VDD Mod and my Ram is Corsair PC3500.
So why doesn't it work ? It just doesn't boot. Keeps doing long beeps.
sai what board do u have?
When does the beep happen? Can you still boot at stock?
I have a NF7-S 2.0 and everything's fine, I can boot with and w/o L12 mod.
Yesterday I flashed a modded BIOS, now I can get at least into Windows with 225Mhz, but no boot is possible with 227Mhz!
strange..
p.s.: I made the VDD Mod, so there's enough voltage for chip!
EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT
OH MY GOD, how dumb can one man be ?! :D :D
It doesn't boot with 227mhz because I set the Ram Timing to CL3 and my ram doesn't boot with cl3, no matter if 133Mhz or 227Mhz !
Now I can boot with 245Mhz, but my Ram's voltage is much too low. So next week..soldering ;)
I'm happy that you helped yourself :)
I had read through all this a long time ago, but didn't bother
trying it as most had said they didn't think it would help much on
my "unmodded" Asus A7N8X Deluxe board. So I didn't feel then need to take it
all apart just to try something that probably wouldn't help any.
This weekend I had it all apart doing something else so I figured I would give it a shot.
Went ahead and connected the bridge with thermal grease.
b4: 218 fsb was the limit, not an inch more no matter what.
after: 225 fsb is now not only bootable, but also benchable.
I know its not a huge gain, but for a free 2 minute upgrade it was well worth it!
peace
WannaGoFast
That's some good news to know, we need people to try it on other mobo to see if the mod works on somethin else than abit
sweet, before I was stuck at 225 now I'm almost at 250 (unstable). Just need to tweak now to get things good :toast:
whats the pin mod that you just put wires into the socket, btw can i just use the copper wires ? i have really thin ones, or is there any specific one you guys recommend and also anyone got pics of this mod ?
If you follow this linkQuote:
Originally posted by vietp13
whats the pin mod that you just put wires into the socket, btw can i just use the copper wires ? i have really thin ones, or is there any specific one you guys recommend and also anyone got pics of this mod ?
http://www.ocinside.de/html/workshop...md_pinmod.html
In the selection boxes at the top select socket view, your cpu,
and 166 fsb and it will show you exactly where to put the wire.
Its a very handy tool for figuring out how to manipulate cpu's.
Any thin single strand of copper wire should work, just make
sure you trim it up to fit exactly in the holes so it doesnt bend
at the top or under the socket and touch any other pins except
the ones you are trying to connect.
peace
WannaGoFast
i wanna force 200fsb with my 2500+ on my DFI lanparty ultra b... anyone know if this would/should/wont work?
I've done it on other NForce boards (Epox) & kt400 boards and it doesnt seem to make any diffrence. when i did it on the kt400 mobo i didnt see any change in the bios but windows made me reactivate:confused: . But what the hell give it a try. while you're at it give the 8bit mod a try, i've done it to 2 1700+'s and they post as 3200+ afterwards.:cool:
Can you do it with graphite (pencil) ?
can somebody show me a pic who i should to the mod if i want do do in in the socket??
Forget whether I posted in here or not, but did the L12 to my 8rda+ and I can do 236 2.5-2-2-5/11 stable 24/7 now, could only manage about 210 2-2-2-5/11 before.
234 2-2-2-5/11 benchable but not 100% stable.
1.9vdd
works a treat on my board.
can now boot at 250fsb where as before the hishest i could boot at was 230
using forceware i can get the fsb upto 260
great little mod thats well worth doing
i did the mod this past weekend and when i booted into BIOS, just like vlad it gave me the (only) option of 3200+ which means its a 200mhz fsb, hmm
but, i corrupted the bios so results will have to wait til friday cuz i ordered a bios savior kit
worked for me.... Tbred B 1700+ DLT3C JIUHB 166fsb mod via Socket shunt... on the EPox 8rda3+ rev 2.1 board...
Beforce 226fsb max stable... i just finished the mod, and currently at 231mhz without Errors on any benchmark ( before the mod, 230 was a Big BSOD or errors everywhere)
i will se the max stable today, im trying to see if i lost performance with the mod......
thanks, cya
Hi.. thats work in a Epox8rda3+?
If you read the first post you would have seen that it works only on nf7 rev2 but some people have had success with other boards
You can try it (it doesn't take time) and report here your success
:confused:
hi... i make teh mod, but dont notfy any diference... Antes o Tbred ia a 230X10, depois, foi a 235X10..
100+
First tell us what the chips default FSB is or tell us the code on the chip. The result the bios and tell us what the cpu is recognised as. Does it default to 266 or 333 Mhz FSB? Other than that does it make any difference to ur overclock?
Nice job with the screeniesQuote:
Originally posted by Tension_36th
Hey Anti-top, Mr PC Ice, nice job anyways, coz over all, i've got better bandwidth than the 225FSB i used to run stable...though relatively very less for the speeds that am running it at....
Any insights greatly welcomed...
Best Wishes
Tension_36th
But I'm antipop not anti-top :) and i didn't do a lot here just sum up what was found by others but thank anyway :)
I've done the L12 & 8bit mod to a number of thoroughbred's with great results but lately i've been playing with a 2400xp-mobile which has a default of 133fsb. So far it has no problem doing 230fsb & higher. Next time i tare down ill do both mods to it to see if it helps or hurts.;)
keep us updated, but i'm sure it'll help ;)
The mod worked for me I got my previous highest stable of 215fsb back after modding my xp-m. I've been reading this:
http://www.logan.eclipse.co.uk/abit_nf7_(s)_v2_0.htm
"
there appears to be no set regimental "type" that Abit is churning out. In fact there seem to be two specific “types” of NF7 style mobo. One that will do 220fsb and above and one that will not do anything above the 215-220 fsb range. ...Once you are sure you can get in at the 220fsb range (and higher i.e. Barton) then switch it off as we have other things to do. IF ON THE OTHER HAND it will not OC to a high fsb and is looking to be a crap OC’ing mobo; then the answer I am afraid is to RMA the mobo or be happy with your lot. NOW you have to remember that to do 220fsb+, you must have very good Memory and P/supply to get there. No point in RMA’ing a perfectly good OC board if the rest of your hardware is the limiting factor."
U think I got a lemon? Would it be a waste of time to do vmod?
yay i got some results:
before: 232fsb 1:1 with 1.7vdd 2.95 vDimm
http://www.angelfire.com/pro/blinky/.../oc/232fsb.JPG
after: 240fsb 1:1 with 1.7vdd 2.95 vDimm
http://www.angelfire.com/pro/blinky/.../oc/238fsb.JPG
i got a sandra score at 240fsb but i cant find the screenie
the good news is that my Ram (XMS3200) does 240 with 2.95
so now i gotta do a vDimm mod
This is your second post and you start messing with the big guys?? You're not going to last long here :D :D (jk)Quote:
Originally posted by Tension_36th
@Antipop:
LOL, ok from now on your Anti-top, just J/kin'
And i forgot
Welcome to the Sickness
Yeah i am, so don't piss me off :D :D
You have to start somewhere, i was at hard before until i was flamed there
Don't worry it's not the postcount that matters but the quality of posting (which have been way down lately for me :( )
whats the 8bit mod? i've done the L12 mod and had really good results but if theres another mod that i can do to improve my system i wanna do itQuote:
Originally posted by vlad
I've done the L12 & 8bit mod to a number of thoroughbred's with great results but lately i've been playing with a 2400xp-mobile which has a default of 133fsb. So far it has no problem doing 230fsb & higher. Next time i tare down ill do both mods to it to see if it helps or hurts.;)
Quote:
Originally posted by Tension_36th
The 8 Bit mod gives ya the so called "user defined" mode....
Nothin' but the choice of the setting the CPU speed by the AMD PR standards....
Like 2500+
2600+
2700+
2800+
3000+
3100+
3200+
blah blah....
Nothing more than some neat settings....no performance increase...
I don't not need it, neither do you, as we like overclocking manually....well atleast thats my opinion..... ;D
Best Wishes
Tension_36th
That's about the size of it, no proformance increase but its pretty
cool & youre right there doing the L12 mod it only takes another second to do the 8 bit mod. I've found that if youre using a bios prior to D18 you get 2400+ thru 3100+ & user defined. but D18 & later you get user defined & 3200+. Two of my 1700+ DLT3C's that i did it to ran completely stable @ 3200+ with the default 1.5v vcore. the 2400+ mobile im using now only shows user defined without the mod & defaults to 6x100fsb when you clear the cmos so i plan to do it just to have a quick jump from 100 to 200 fsb then user defined from there on so yea it doesnt have any real proformance value but its still pretty cool. But i must have done something wrong tho because i didnt the blah blah adjustment maybe ill do it over. :shrug: :up: :welcome:
When u clear cmos my chip shows 6 * 100 and user define. When I choose load optimised defaults it goes to x * 166. The 8-bit mode thing just doesn't work with the barton m, as far as I can see.
Is there any point in setting the default fsb to 200Mhz instead of 166Mhz? When I channged it from 133 it definatly helped the fsb. Got back to my normal fsb with DLT3C L12 modded (not 8-bit modded).
k now does 240fsb 1:1 3dmark stable w/2.95vdimm and 1.73vdd measured from multimeter
http://www.angelfire.com/pro/blinky/.../oc/240fsb.JPG
The L12 mod totally cleared up all problems I had with an Albatron KX18D Pro & a 2400+ XP-M(obile). Board will do over 250fsb Prime stable now at any multiplier! I haven't had a chance to push it to see how far it will go. It does at least 227 with default voltage now (1.6)
This is the first I heard of this in 24 pages. I didn't quite understand wicked cause he said he does 250FSB but hasn't quite tested the limit. Sig is conflicting info too.
Tension have u done the mod, is it applied now? U r saying BW is lost by doing L12 mod? Have u tried clearing CMOS and reinstalling to see if this los is still there? Got a link to that proof u were on about?
I know getting a xp-m and running at 215 fsb has definately helped my bandwidth and running at an unstable 220fsb the bandwidth really improved.
No I can't do 220 I said I could do 215. :stick: :confused: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Tension_36th
Nope it ain't a lemon..if can do 220FSB at a low Multi....
Heres why....
I could only work at 214-215FSB with a 9.5 multiplier before the mod...and 220FSB with a 8 multiplier....
SO after the mod i can go as high as i can go on the FSB without worrying about the Multis, infact except 9 everything works fine!...
try 8 x 220FSB and see if ya can get it workin, always try for higher FSB with lower Multies first, not with higher Multies, and Norce 2 boards are notorious for being choosy about Multies....
MY ADVISE DO IT if ya can get 22FSB somehow without high Multies....
Keep us posted....
@Antipop:
LOL, ok from now on your Anti-top, just J/kin'
Best wishes
Tension_36th :D
I was reading these last pages and come across some pictures where you wrote that there was worse performance. But are you sure of that, because every pic that i saw there was something changed. Like lower multiple/ higher fsb ( some multiples dont work as good as others i think). Or just increased cpu speed.Quote:
Originally posted by Tension_36th
WiCKed,
Nice to hear your happy, but there is definitly a performance loss from the mod....
I i have stated with proof in the above few posts.....
iused to get very good results at 225FSB but now at around 263FSB am just getting a slightly higher increase when i should be getting a far higher increase.....
Try it out with sisoft sandra, and you'll see the difference, or 3dmark or any benchamrk, where memory banfwidth is important, and you'll notice what am talking about.....
Best Wishes
Tension_36th
Maybe you all already tryed that but if i look at the pictures it doesnt look that way. Maybe the ram is maxxed and perform a bit worse.
Sorry but big shot or no big shot i dont think thoose screenies are proof, not that i dont belive you conclusions are right but make some screenies after the mod at same speed as before (200*11, with all timings and volts the same as before). Thats better "proof".
Good luck btw.
the nf7-s2 has increased performance with cpu multipliers 10x and above. 9.5x and below have lesser bandwidth.
I get only slightly higher bandwidth using 240FSB 9.5x as compared to 230FSB 10x. Where as logically I would expect a greater increase.
This can only be ironed out with newer bioses. Thats where Abit fails us and we can only rely on people like TicTac for any help.
Another success here! Before the mod i could only get in windows with a fsb of 222 1.6 v on the vdd 2,3,3,7 and 2.7v on the ram. Now i can get the board to 238 mhz into windows. I ran it 6 ours priming at 228 1.6vdd 2,3,4,11 2.8v and it is stable. But all isnt good. Some multipleirs dont work (9x, 10x and 10.5x) above 218 fsb. I tried Tic Tacs 22 alpha 1 beta king bios and it fixes that. I have a 1700+ Jiuhb dut3c cpu and it does only 2240 mhz with 1.9v stable. So to get high bandwith I have to use 10x 230 nd my cpu isnt stable at tht clock. So I am thinking of a 2500+ barton. Which stepping to get? I need some compares between them.
Tnx
(My english is bad so try to understand me:)
thats very interesting and disapointing.
Why should there be a difference in the bandwidth?
All the L12 mod does, it tells the MB to run CPU at higher FSB.
Does that mean all 166 Bartons rum slower than 133FSB Thunderbirds?
I used to run at 225FSB before the mod, now I can run at 240 stable but with lower multi. I'm going to test after the mod at 225FSB just to compare the results.
some good investigative work there tension_36th
looks like the L12 mod is not a completely win win situation.
just so everyone isn't completely put off this try comparing performance before and after the mod, theoretical memory bandwith is important but isn't everything, i personnaly have defianetely found a performance gain from doing this mod (i've done a number of different benchmarks before and after) but others may only gain an extra 5Mhz on the fsb and loose out so experimenmt guys.