yoooo Vattooo, nice clocks ;)
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yoooo Vattooo, nice clocks ;)
thanks m8 :)
Vdimm they need Vdimm all the Rams to run at low timings ;)
i have the voltage set to 2,3 for 600Mhz ( DDR1200 ) cl4 4-4-4 1T [ witch i don't know if it works :p: ] this sticks are great for their prise :) ~200€ here in Greece
I have a feeling the bios of your board is fooling you.
Afaik 1t isn't possible with Intel chipset, 1t is the command rate the mem is communicating with the chipset, so not really memory related.
I don't see how raising Vdimm will help here. :shrug:
i told you i realy don't know :shrug: some others here in Greece with the sabe board says that 1T Works and it's definatly works on intel chipsets not only on Nvidia...
alltho i don't think that my board is so smart to fool me :p: i used some olderf Bios and gues what ! it boots again in 1T so i'am going to leave it this way
Pretty good deal here
http://www.canadacomputers.com/main....id=RAM.346.754
would it be worth it to buy this stuff for my next build?
sure i can later today but the difrence is only some Millisec's not a big deal on performance gain on 2T Vs 1T i just wand to find if the Board can do the 1T for the sticks i'am sure they can :p:
here you are m8 ;)
cl4 4-4-4 1T @ 600Mhz
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/1336/15437sk2.jpg
cl4 4-4-4 2T @ 600Mhz
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4598/15484gd2.jpg
+1 :up:
Getting some better results with my Ballistix. I am currently Memtesting @ 1192Mhz 5-5-5-10 at 2.3vdimm with no errors on my P35 T2R. Wish I could get 4GB running like that :)
Edit: Got the Vdimm down to 2.07v at the above speed and timings. Looking alittle better now :up:
I guess the sale is over...
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...7;20TECHNOLOGY
I was just going to drive over to CanadaComputers to pick up some of that awesome RAM, save on shipping!
on sale again this week
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...Y&promoid=1078
just got my 2x1GB Tracers from buy.com , bought them for $70 on BF :)
Unfortunately, my 975xbx2 is really showing its age and really hinders this nice set. Running the Tracers at 975MHz @ 4.4.4.10 at 2.16v atm
I just received my Ballistix from Direct Canada/NCIX and it seems like Crucial now have a new heat spreader for their product... My heatspreader are smaller on don't cover the top of the memory... Looks sick though :)
Pic please, I am really curious about their new look :D
I am starting to reach where I want to be on proc and now and starting to test max of other things. I am struggling with FSB right now with 475+ on my quad.I have 475 stable but will be a battle much farther past. I will back off and test the ram more this weekend. Should have final results on Sunday.
i just got mine :D
i gotta say i'm impressed 2.13v where my old mushkins needed 2.26v
how u like dem apples mushkin
this is only 2.26v:D my mushkins couldnt do this @ 5-4-4-12
Loc.o, please if you can, how is overcloking on your ASUS Formula with 4*1GB Ballistix 8500?
Hey Zsamz
What speed and timings are you running your stix at?
And for those asking for pics of the new heatspreaders...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...DSC_0023-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...DSC_0025-1.jpg
Viola!
Oh my god! Look at this! Soooo tempting!
http://www.canadacomputers.com/main....id=RAM.346.754
I just had a set arrive at my door last night and they have the same heatspreader as the older ones. From buy.com for $105 shipped. Not as good of a deal as the guy with the tracers lol!
Cutting down on costs is IMO, about the hs.:shrug:
as of right now i'm being verry gentle with them since i memtested them only 1 pass
2.13v @1040 4-4-4-12-3-3-6-42 "mushkin xp2-8500 needed 2.26v":eek:
i was doing 1100+ @4-4-4-12 with 2.26v
i'll let them burn in before i torture them
i feel like sellin my mushkins when they come back n buyin 2 more kits:D
i hope the future crucial sticks are as good
when i got more time i'll do more tests
I wonder why your part # is different?:confused: Is that from a 2gb kit?
These are my new ones...
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j7...xpc85002gb.jpg
i have a question guys... i have this this ram and the pc 6400 version..
when i run the 8500 version on my motherboard the spd only comes as
800mhz
Can i just oc it to the stock speeds or more?
its running 550 5-5-5-15 right now but was wondering if i can run it higher since it is already rated for 533
Yep I got the same heatspreader then Turtle ;)
Yep. SPD is usually low. If its crucial ballistix, set it to 2.2V and that should get you DDR2-1200 4-4-4-4 at least. ;)
Mine are like yours turtletrax but Black/Yellow HS. P/N is 79882. :)
Im thinking of buying theese sticks.
Should i use 3 for a 80mm fan and put it over at low volt, or should I just let the heatspreaders do the work?
Please PM/email me :)
if mine did it @ 2.3v i would be kissin the stix:rofl:
mine did boot @ 4-4-4-4 but you should see the errors lol
i need 2.45v to get if fully stable for 4-4-4-12
but 5-4-4-12 is g00d enough @ those speeds:D
I thought you guys would be running far less V for 32M. Are we talking about bench stable or 24/7?
Whats the real VDIMM your board feeds it?
That's not like mine anyway, I have them right here. I've had 2 pairs of 2x1GB XMS2 C4 PC2-6400 v2.1 ProMos very recently and one 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC2-8500.
My Corsair XMS2 C4 6400 did stock volts 800 3-2-2-1: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=268235
They did 540 4-4-4-4 PL6 max 32M stable at 2.3V. 650 5-5-5-15 PL6 at 2.35V 1M stable and 650 5-5-5-18 will do 32M and any bench. 2.3/2.35V 30-40 times killed them so I back off away from that now, very far from it for any run. :D http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=268262
This was 656 5-5-5-18 2.35V (quite unstable although loads Windows etc): http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=268232
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...1814609Evr.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...505-5-5-15.jpg
They did 660 max at those 2.35V volts IIRC. A quick look and yep, 660 @ 2.35V 5-7-7-25: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=268240
The Crucial do 526 5-5-5-5 at 1.9V fully bench stable. Benched 4-4-4-4 at 500 1.9V I think, not sure right now if that was the speed but definitely was the V/timings and past 850. Check my X4 9500 thread, that's all 1.9V, you have 900 5-5-5-5 1T @ 1.9V in there (although unstable).
On Gigabyte P34 DS4 they did 2.2V 1200 4-4-4-4 quite easy. This was 1200 4-4-4-5 PL5 at stock volts:
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...00-4-4-4-4.png
I benched 1M 676 5-5-5-5 and everything else I tried was 5-5-5-15 PL6 at 2.3V. Like this:
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...726/1M-675.png
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...50-726/675.png
This again was stock 2.2V:
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...4-4-4-4-45.png
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...62-4-4-4-4.png
562 because I never tried higher at those CPU clocks.
2.3V gets above 700 5-5-5-15. This is 2.35V 725 6-8-8-31: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=273859
I didn't even try to lower timings. It was a quick run just for my information. I hardly changed tRFC for any of them though because all I was trying was to see that if they would do 600 or higher 4-4-4-4 for CDT/CW testing 'cus I couldn't get high FSB on CPU. ;)
But I 'aint going to kill them as my last ones went with just 2.3/2.35V regular even with Delta 152CFM cooling, so I've not pushed more. 2.35V is max I've pushed and only after they were below subzero temps, ambient 3C, delta 220CFM spinning on them.
BTW the Corsair RAM at same settings/speeds is faster than the Crucial I tested.
Believe me, 2.2V for DDR1200 4-4-4 is absolutely awesome, especially if it's some sort of benchable.
DDR1200 or even higher at 5-5-5 timings is nothing special though, almost all D9 can do that.
Performance level has nothing to do with your memory, it's all in the chipset. ;)
At those volts 1350 5-5-5-15 bench stable is pretty good RAM AFAIK. I haven't tested more, but if someone bought them off me they could trash them all they like. I'm not bothered of what speed or timings they reach, I only run 1000-1066 5-5-5-15 at 2.1V given the choice.Thats not my experience or findings. Corsair RAM on the same everything is quicker in 1M/32M than the Crucial I tested. I've already tested this in the CDT thread, it's all there and someone else posted with similar test findings before me. ;)Quote:
Performance level has nothing to do with your memory, it's all in the chipset. ;)
hey turtle look what da balistix help me do
i think i maxed out on my cpu fsb my damn board doesnt have too many options damn 1.60 in bios next step is 1.80 wich is 1.78 real too much for me on air
Oh, if you're only running that low we should swap out our memory's. :)
Are you planning to sell them?
I did not say Pefromance Level doesn't make any difference in performance, it does indeed but it ain't a memorysetting, it's a chipset latency or something.
Doing 7x514 4:5 PL 6 i have to raise Vmch, for PL 7 i can leave it at auto.
That's a sign it is chipset related, not memory.
Yep. ;)
I understand what you initially said meaning performance is no different from RAM to RAM. But I found different results and I did this inside a matter of 1 day with the same config and no other variables, so to make sure. I'm aware of the NB effect as well, that's why the P35 DS4 would run slower than a P5K in Pi at the same settings. :)Quote:
I did not say Pefromance Level doesn't make any difference in performance, it does indeed but it ain't a memorysetting, it's a chipset latency or something.
Doing 7x514 4:5 PL 6 i have to raise Vmch, for PL 7 i can leave it at auto.
That's a sign it is chipset related, not memory.
I know this has been asked a million times, but what voltage is safe for every day use, 2.2v? Or can i give them some more?
May be you want to check your board with a multimeter?:shrug:
More results of my Ballistix PC8500 1G X 2
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5...010043abl2.jpg
2.05V @ DDR1200 CL5-5-5-12, memtest 140% passed - Original Heatsink
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4...5vmemtequ8.jpg
2.55V @ DDR1300 CL5-5-5-9, ortho 30mins blend test passed - Original Heatsink
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6...s30minsav1.jpg
After Changing Thermatake RAM Heatsink,
2.55V @ DDR1200 CL4-4-4-5-4-25, memtest 100% passed
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3...vmemtesyq9.jpg
2.55V @ DDR1398, CL5-5-5-15, direct boot to window, superpi1M passed
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1...perpi1maz1.jpg
2.55V @ DDR1401, CL5-5-5-15, direct boot to window, superpi1M passed
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9...perpi1mmo3.jpg
Love these rams :yepp:
So, you changed the heatspreaders and it gave you almost 100MHz gain?
What heatspreaders do you have now, do you have a picture? How easy was it to remove?
Very nice DDR1400 man!! :up:
http://www.thermaltake.com/product/C...leview_450.gif
I used that heatsink. I just used my fingers to remove the original heatsink, tear it form one end and then the other end, then removed it very very slow, the original heatpad can be kept. :yepp:
Before I changed the heatsink, DDR1200 CL4-4-4-5 can boot to window but can't pass memtest or even finish superpi32M, giving me error very early! :yepp:
and for CL5, the highest clock before changed heatsink is about DDR1350, 1400 is no way to enter window. :yepp:
Recent D9GMH is very hot but very overclockable compared with my old Team DDR667 and DDR1000, so the heatsink may help to clock my crucial.
Those volts scare the daylight out of me, it's pointless for me. After killing some at 2.2V I would never try those again on something I want to keep whether for 2GHz or 1.2GHz. But anyone doing it would obviously not be bothered enough to kill 'em.
There's a bug on Phenom with some platforms and it gives you DDR2-1400/1500/1600/1700//1800 validations and bandwidth. :D
I just received a pair of Tracer PC8500 1G X 2 yesterday, some initial tests with My DFI P35-T2R.
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1354/img7162arp7.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9599/img7168atu0.jpg
DDR800 CL4-4-4-5 @ 1.64V memtest 100% passed
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1...dfimemthv5.jpg
DDR1200 CL5-5-5-9 @ 2.04V memtest 100% passed
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2...204vdfimd5.jpg
DDR1200 CL4-4-4-5 @ 2.51V, Performance Level = 4
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8...pl4dfi1in7.jpg
DDR1300 CL5-5-5-12 @ 2.39V
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8...239vdfiay9.jpg
From the voltage with DFI, it seems not bad, I will test it more when I get my P5K-Premium back. :yepp:
Why everybody hides the Serial number ?
He's hiding the serial numbers for the mfg, if they would see the voltages he's throwing at them warrenty is lost.
TinTin, how did you get PL4 to work?
I have some of these sticks on the way... PC8500 tracers. Im looking to get an e6750 to the 3.8Ghz (+/- .2) range on air (Tuniq 120) on a X38 maximus formula...
Advice? These are only cooled by the case airflow (Antec 900 so good flow).
Can I 1:1 these and get that goal? or us 2:3 more likely?
Im an AMD overclocker so this is alllllllllllllllll new to me.
I just got my sticks in a few days ago and had a chance to play around a bit this weekend with them. So far they look pretty good.:)
That's odd. I can never change PL in Windows-> higher or lower will freeze system, but PL5 was easy at 4-4-4-4 1200 stock volts from bootup on auto on these sticks.
TinTin: if you're sticks are anything like mine then 3-2-2-2-1 will be easy at 400-450 and changing tRFC at or below 38 won't be plus 1250 4-4-4-4 PL5 tWTR 10 tWTP 10. Increase any of these and you get more stability and can lower another one down.
You guys posting massive images: the page is empty and taking forever to load. 7 and some minutes now and still hardly any pics. Smaller would be far better. ;)
Yeah guys for smaller screenies read http://i4memory.com/showpost.php?p=61904&postcount=3 easily save up to 75% in image file size while keeping quality and physical size of image intact
Maximus formula has EPP profiles and such right? So I will be able to run these @ 1066 2.2v 5-5-5-xx???
Hi people.
My crucial 8500, came today, and just stared at 1000 cl4 with only 2.1v, so i think its very good for now.
More news, maybe tomorow.
My sticks just wigged out on me today, I was folding, and I got a BSOD. (running 4gb @ DDR2-851, 2.2v).. I shut the computer off, and felt the sticks... They nearly burned me. I Left the computer off for a while, and then booted up again, but put a fan in the case side to pull air in, almost on top of the sticks.
I ran memtest, and after is gave the BSOD it gave 58 errors before the 2% mark on only 1gb being tested. Its running DDR2-800 right now, 2.2v, and it hasn't given me any issues. I might be changing around some fan configurations, mine pulls the air from the ground up through my radiator into my case. I might do some rerouting, and pull air into the case from the front and back 120mms, and out through the bottom. It'd solve some problems...
Yeah the stock 2.2V sticks do run very hot even at 2.2V DDR2-800.
I checked it last night with P5K-Premium, it does work with a pair of normal crucial Ballistix PC8500 too for PL=4.
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7...9cl4445ys2.jpg
Hey guys fairly new poster to the forums but long time reader. I just recieved my rma'd 8500's yesterday and installed them. Curious thing I noticed when I ran Cpuz. The SPD page rates the new sticks @ EPP#1,400 and EPP#2,533 at a voltage of 2.00. Is this new stuff they shipped me that requires less vdimm to achieve rated speeds? I am running them @ 1095 2.1v right now and are stable. Anybody heard anything about this?
btw my last sticks lasted 3 months before one of the sticks crapped out on me.
I'll see if mine can do PL4 at those clocks when I get another Intel chip. I've not bothered testing it yet.
Tintin: Have you ran EVEREST mem/cache and Pi at PL4, 5 and 6 to see if there's any difference?
BIOS set or Memset, both workQuote:
Thanks for your effort buddy.
Can you tell how you have set these settings in bios please:
Strap to northbridge
Dram static read control
Transaction booster
Vdimm
Vmch
Did it boot with PL=4 or did you set it manually by memset?
Strap= 266MHz, since it is 2:3
Dram Static Control = Disable
Transcation Booster = Enable, Level = 2 ( 2 is Performance Level = 4 at such settings)
Vdimm = 2.55V
Vmch = 1.4V, have to raise a bit to stablise the system at such clocks ;)
Here are the results as you requested! :D ;)Quote:
I'll see if mine can do PL4 at those clocks when I get another Intel chip. I've not bothered testing it yet.
Tintin: Have you ran EVEREST mem/cache and Pi at PL4, 5 and 6 to see if there's any difference?
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5...2195724ac6.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6...2195755ru4.jpg
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8...2195822ya2.jpg
Thank you TinTin. :toast:
Very noticeable gains there. My Abit and Gigabyte didn't show any gain between PL 5 and 6 that I tested in EVERST so maybe it's the ASUS P35 mainly.
It's IP35-E Off Limits and Gigabyte P35 DS4 that I tested on. :)
the new ones do not have the clip like my last ones did. So yes new ones/no clip. It also looks like they used a different heat tape under the heatsinks. Looks to be thinner. Don't know how this will affect heat transfer. I'm guessing thinner means more heat tranfered to heatsink, less of a blanket so to speak.
I ran some prime95 tests using the blend option (knowing my core is stable @ 3.66 from previous tests) and unfortunately failed with lower voltages @ 1095mhz 5/5/5/15 w/ forced spd secondary settings . I tried 2.00v, no good, then 2.1v, again no good, so here I am at 2.2v stable 4 hrs on blend test. I also tried (thinking that spd rated lower 2.00v @ 1066 rated) 2.2v @ 1144mhz. Didn't like that one bit. Failed within 4mins. Tell you the truth this new batch is behaving just like the old batch. Tonight I'm going to give it another go using memtest86+ as stability test and try starting @ 2.00v and work my way up. I'd like to see what my lowest vdimm can be @ 1095mhz 5/5/5/15 and all other secondary settings @ auto. If any of you have some advice please chime in. I'd really appreciate it.
Now this is becoming rather interesting. :)
I don't have a P5K Premium, i have a P5K-E wifi and i can't select transaction booster level 2, i was under the assumption it would be the same for both boards.
When i select Transaction booster enabled i can either choose Level 0 or 1, how many options does your bios give?
If you can only select 1 and 2 i think Asus just changed the numbers, like 0 (P5K-E)= 1 (Premium) and so on.
If you have 0, 1 and 2, something must be different and it's likely i cannot get PL=4 to work then.
PL seems to make quite a difference in bandwidth and latency, thanks for showing. :up:
Wish I would have found this thread earlier lol. I've got 2 sticks that I used to run at 1250 @2.2v, they would pass memtest every time, but after a while I kept getting C1 errors and eventually just had to replace the RAM. Now i'm just waiting on a RMA. This RAM is weird, one minute it's fine, the next you're getting BSOD, then POST errors yet it'll pass memtest all day long. Never seen any RAM do this before.
So thats my highest clock on those ram ever. wasent stabil thoe. didnt even had time to open superpi before it reboted.:D
I have them at 2,1v cl5 in 1200mhz.
Of course i´ve seen very threads and toped a 80mm noiseblecker:) to certify that they stay cool.
My sticks get very hot, so I ordered the OCZ RAM cooling unit... They start showing errors on Memtest at 140% with DDR2-1200 5-5-4-9 @ 2,2V
Crucial RAM currently on blowout/overstock prices @ Newegg!
2x1GB PC2-6400 Ballastix - $50 (After $25 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148076
2x1GB PC2-6400 Tracers - $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148076
2x1GB PC2-8500 Ballastix - $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148069
2x1GB PC2-8500 Tracers - $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148070
I remember when 4GB of PC2-6400 MicronD9GMH/GKX was around $400 but now you can get that for $125!
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I can say I do have a stick of PC2-6400 Ballastix that won't do 510 MHz 5-5-5 @2.2V
Currently running my other PC2-6400 sticks 4-4-4-12 450 MHz 2.1V
I might invest in more If I didn't have a 32 Bit OS.