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[QUOTE=serialk11r;2116995 Perhaps this is what's going on?[/QUOTE]
??? im actually worried about this picture...
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0583.jpg
i see chipping.... im gonna have to re examine the block later, as for now, gotta goto church for easter.
I can't say anything about the chipping pointed out. But if you're worried about the plating on the threading wearing off, perhaps if we all used a bunch of teflon tape on the barbs, it'd seal it away from interacting with the liquid in the loop
Looks can be deceiving, I would wait for proof of an issue before drawing any conclusions. Sometimes we judge and convict someone or something without the proof to justify it. JMO
Surely for the die to come of that easily, it has to be a defect?
Is this just a problem for this guys particualr unit or is it a general problem?
I don't think it's acceptable to pass it as "it's just the die coming off" because the whole point in coolant is to have little additives as possible.
Please respond gabe, or anyone else who has the block and noticed a problem or not noticed. I'm up in the morning and you Americans should be posting away as I sleep. Then a drive to ChilledPC to drop off my case and maybe pick up a GTX.
which is why i waited for so long. AS i said, i was in consistant pms' with iany, mcoffy, and nikhsub.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
They had these pictures roughly 4 hours b4 i posted them up. It was only because of mcoffy's concerns that i sliped the concern out earily. I wanted to wait for gabe to reply about the dye/paint b4 i posted it. Im glad i did.
However, i need to re-exam that block top, and check to see if it is indeed a chip. or just the weird picture angle.
and @ mcoffy:
im a dtek whore for now, like you. Until i decide to slap a MCW 6500T. :rolleyes:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0588.jpg
incase your wondering.... my temps are higher. 24 on idle, about 43 load.... Yea i miss my apogeeGTX. :T
But the bowing isnt worth it, cuz it scewed my NB mount. And i am not pulling all that apart again, to drop in the gtx for 2C difference.
I heard from NoL that MCW6500 has an aluminum top as well... :(
I see in the pics the mounting screws for the FuZion are quite thick and have brass hex-nuts on. The ones that came with mine aren't anything like that: they're thin, black, and have matching black thumb-nuts.
Did you replace your mounting screws, or are those the ones from the Apogee?
My Apogee mounting kit doesn't look like that either: it has plain zinc-plated screws and black hex-nuts with caps on.
It's been on the website since it was launched.Quote:
Originally Posted by serialk11r
If the entire internal surface was to wear off, and since we are looking at a die coat thickness of ~3 micron => 3 x 3.93 x 0.00001 x surface of ~2 x 2 = you are looking at roughly 0.0004 cubic inches of die or 0.005ml, or 0.005ccQuote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
Also knowing that 1 drop of water is 0.02ml (or cc's) =>
IF the entire internal coat of die was to disolve into the coolant, we are looking at the equivalent of 1/4 of a drop of a coloring die.
Anyone can tell me how much coloring die we have in the average 2 Oz of Pentosin or Zerex? On a limb, I'd say ~ 0.5 cc ? Tha'ts about 25 drops (conservative), or 100 times more than what we are looking at now.
NaeKuh, it seems that the nickel plating isn't coming off yet, so you're GTX might be fine...the chips coming off, well there isn't a new metal exposed that I can see...damn I wish I had a camera as good as yours :D My only camera is a webcam :(
BTW ppl, its spelled D-Y-E :p:
ahahahaha you digg my brass nuts huh? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fossil
Well i bought those at osh. To match the DD680i fastener.
Also that mounting kit came off my original crapogee packet. I think they were the U2 converter screws. Not too sure. I told you i have around 5 blocks, and i rarely will use its stock mounting. I like thick bolts. Makes me feel better that there mounted more firmly.
I would totally dig a brass top for the GTX. Call it the Apogee Ultra? Thats how NVidia seems to go.. :P
That be my other toy. Cannon Powershot SD600. i highly recomend it to everyone. Even my mom can take clean pics with it. Totally girl friendly :PQuote:
Originally Posted by serialk11r
Im not married so all the toys belong to me.... As of now.. :D
what's the purpose of the dye especially since its on the inside? I mean what purpose does it serve? Certainly its not for tarnish or oxidation prevention since nickel plating doesn't tarnish and such. I mean I doubt anyone would care how colorful or pretty the inside looks like as long as it isn't rotting.
We already have a Delrin top: it's the Apogee GT. As to its performance, well do the Math: Naekuh himself has verified his numbers up and now down versus the competition, and we have verified that the GT is only ~1C off the GTX at 100Watts and 1.5GPM. So it clearly tells you were the GT is located performance wise compared to the competition; it's made of Delrin, and it's average street price is $10 to $15 less than competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
What is most distressing to me is the fact that people in this forum do not trust our data. Yet, this data always end up being verified over time, despite the relentless efforts of the anti-swiftech crowd. I could see not trusting the new kid on the block, but we have been in business for 7 years, and published professional data for what? close to 5 years now? If our numbers were skewed, people would know it after so much time. The only thing we don't publish is competitive data, which doesn't mean that we don't conduct competitive testing in-house. We simply chose not to create controversy by publishing it. So we know were our blocks are on the performance curve, at the tenth of the degree Celsius, and let's just say that we feel very comfortable about it. I also think that the backplate we are about to release will indeed bring both the GT and the GTX a mounting repeatability that will definitely allow all users to exploit the true potential of these blocks.
Back to the GTX and the plating issue, we made a mistake several years ago with anodized blocks. But everybody learns from their mistakes. I know we have, and as a result I am completely confident with the process that we are using now. The fact that you and a few others don't feel comfortable with it is a result of bad past experiences, and I understand it. But progress is made precisely by making mistakes, learning from them, and growing from there. Those who remain stuck in the old ways do not grow: they stagnate and end up falling behind the pace of technology.
Frankly the chances of corrosion in these blocks versus say the chances of machined acrylic tops cracking are thousands to 1. Yet, you guys buy acrylic top blocks (one piece VGA blocks come to mind) like mad. Doesn't matter that theyr'e being recalled. Doesn't matter that some blocks don't come with oring grooves and users have to JB Weld the fittings.. But when Swiftech tells you that the Storm is outdated, or that we use state-of-the-art plating, you chose not to believe it. Fine, what can I say. Just remember one thing if any: WE gave water-block base bowing to the world, not a mere artifact resulting from a manufacturing process, but a conscious decision that we made to incorporate this technology in our offerings based on the knowledge developped from testing. Is bowing the way we do it now the end of the line? Not by a long shot. Right now, it indicates a certain road to follow: hydraulic performance is reaching a plateau, and work needs to be done on other aspects.
The fact that a few of you are putting pressure on us to make a Delrin top (forget brass) for this block is one thing. And maybe we will in the future.. after all if it can sell a few hundred more water-blocks, why would I be against it? But the objective reality is simple: there is absolutely nothing wrong with the current process that we use to plate the GTX, period.
The housings are dipped in the die entirely. The hole housing is coated with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
yeah i plan on putting a pelt under it , can i do that ??
It's not that I distrust you or your data personally. It is that I work in the industry as a QA superviser and I do not want to take the chance in my rig. There are too many other factors in play to add even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Also I do not use acrylic blocks, I do not use full cover VGA blocks, I do not JB weld anything. If I have to go to that extent with a product it gets sent back. And on that note I can say I have not had anything from swiftech that extreme which I am thankful for.
Also I will not touch bowing with a 10ft pole. I felt uncomfortable with the bow caused by the stock Intel heatsink on my Kentsfield and was quick to put a thermalright backplate on my D-Tek.
All I am asking is that you make a flagship block that looks just as good and performs as well as the Apogee GTX but does not have any controversal materials in it. You say that if you want Delrin then go with the GT... well if that were my choice I would choose the D-Tek fuzion... which I did. But I do like the looks and performance gain of the GTX and would have purchased it if it werent for the aluminum.
So you see Gabe... you do have more money to make. Cause I aint buying it until there are no dye's coming off (yes it wont affect anything but it is the principal of the thing. If I spend that much money on a block it darn well be perfect and have nothing coming off of it) and there is no more of this nonsense and plating aluminum.
EDIT: And your last sentence really concerns me as a consumer. If you stop caring about what we think and only care about your data...
Well, as you read I was asking the questions to go pick up the block today when I drop off my PC-343B to the powder coaters.
Yet, I don't use coolant or any additives in my loop - Just biocide. I don't personally think it's acceptable for dye to come off as it just to me, seems like it shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Enjoy your block guys :)
Bun Bun, if you're desperate and gabe doesn't want to release a plastic or brass top for it, you still have option #3, get a top machined yourself, made from delrin and with the barbs at the corners ;) Lets hope someone else gives everyone option #3 for us, because I think this thread is going to scare a LOT of people off...sorry gabe...I personally wouldn't mind but others do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bun-Bun
Just don't look at me for that one... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by serialk11r
If I was >18 I would've done it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
oh come on Alex, I dont think you have enough to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
You guys seemed to have formed your individual opinions. Then, go your merry way and be happy with whatever your choices are. Don't condemn a company for what you deem unacceptable because of flawed appearances. No one has yet proven that the product does not work.
I haven't opened up my block yet, but intend to do so. Anyway, I haven't seen any drop in performance, and the block does perform as well as, may I say, better than, every block I have ever used.
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Originally Posted by IanY
That's great.
but without critisism and jabs at the product from users, then the advancements made in the technology would never grow.
gabe (and any company selling a product on a market) is looking to make money by offering a product ppl are looking to buy. If they we're to put out a product no one would want to buy, than they would be out of money.
The heart of these threads concerning a new product is essentialy that, the critism and tearing appart of new products. To be honest, there's no better way to get opinions about product than to release it to those who are the most critically inclined.
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Originally Posted by exhausted mule
The point is that those "most critically inclined" have already made up their minds. Prejudices and biases have been set. Preconceived notions have already been carved in stone.
Out of the number of people taking a dump on this block, what is the percentage of D-Tek FuZion owners? Maybe more than 75%. Of that number, how many own both a FuZion and an Apogee GT? Maybe at most five.
What would happen if I started a thread with the specific intent of being "most critically inclined" on the fuZion? Incidently, I happen to own two of them? What if I were to open up my block and complain incessantly about every last nitpicking flipping feature that irritates/annoys me?
Do you really think that the forum in general (never mind the moderators) will stand for that? In that case, why is there this immense double standard?
Why don't we drag Jerry the D-Tek owner in here and I torture him with a million and one questions? And if he doesn't answer even one of them, then I'll spam the internet with pictures of everything that is purportedly wrong with the D-Tek, whether valid or not? After all, he would not have "defended" himself? The presumption here is guilt!! OOOooo... I'm so ready with another manufacturer...
I figured out that if I am going to be accused of being a fanboy for no reason, then I might as well start behaving like one... Maybe I'll get lucky and manage to get a watercooling job with Swiftech and ditch my boring office work lol :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Progress in technology arises from the need to innovate and to stay ahead and be cost competitive. Don't get me wrong, I love swifty products but...
1) Baseplate - denser version of the Apogee
2) Cover - Aluminum
3) Unnecessarily complicated expensive plating.
4) Cost competitiveness - 75 bucks
5) How does it perform? Can't say cause there hasn't been any comparisons to draw a conclusion upon.
Is it safe to conclude that its more of an evolution than an innovation? If I remembered correctly the diamond matrix design was a tweaked version of an old design from your waterblocks waaaaay back (don't remember its name).
The Storm:
1) New innovative top material
2) Jet impingement (was tops back then)
3) Performance king back then, still is for some applications.
Is it safe to say that the Storm was a true breakthru in terms of design and technology? Sure it may not be the best out there anymore, but it has greatly influenced waterblock designs.
I really don't know why everyone just turned and look at u. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
Yeah, I own a FuZion and I also own an ApogeeGTX as of an hour ago. Got it sat here now. I figured that if the dye wears off, then I'll replace coolant after it's all worn away. I don't say what I say about the GTX because of the fact I own a FuZion. If the GTX is better then I'll put the GTX in - a lot easier than trying to defend something that isn't the best. Heh, I guess I'm paid too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
We're hardly torturing gabe for asking questions, after all he and the other designers at Swiftech are the ones with the answers and I have not seen on person say anything about concluding any guilt towards Swiftech for not replying straight away.
The fact still remains though that part of the block albeit a small part comes off when you run water through it and I honestly believe that shouldn't happen. I've never owned a plated product so can't say that this has happened to me before, and one can't blame me for thinking plating is more hastle than it's worth if this is going to be the result? (Yes I know the dye has nothing to do with the plating itself, but it's still a level of material applied to another)
As for finding faults with the FuZion - Well it comes boxed, it gets mounted and it works. No arguments over plating, dye being dumped into the coolant and no O-ring swap out. I think the only bad press I've seen is about the barbs being close and clamps being a pain to get on.
How ever, as I said above - if this beats the FuZion then it will be going into my new cube build.
You are a rarity that would take the trouble to buy and see for yourself. Go back to the beginning of this thread and count the number of people who are crapping on this block without a single morsel of ownership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
Hey, when I'm free, I'm opening both GTX blocks and cleaning them. I dump out loop water every month now. If its dye, I will see it in the water, because my liquid is clear and I don't use ethylene glycol (such as Pentosin or Zerex). If its small amount of dye, then it won't show up in my liquid, and so its inconsequential.
Hey, I like the FuZion as well, so you won't see me bad mouthing the FuZion.
Having said that, I am determined to become Storm free.. one day, I'll scream "free at last!"
Forgot to mention one aspect about the GTX I do like and would like to see at least a revision of the GT for... space between the barbs. Better performance, looks better (IMO), and is so much easier to put clamps on.
That is the only thing I can think of that I dislike about the D-Tek. It took me like 20 minutes to shove my spring clamps onto it's barbs. And then I just had to take one off to recut a peice of tubing... grrr.
And I agree threads like this are needed for product development/criticism. If there were problems like some mentioned here with the Fuzion there would be a thread for it.
Also it is not that I don't aggree with gabe that the Storm has been beat but... I think discontinuing it may have been a bit premature. There are still many people out there using naked core's that would wan't to take advantage of the Storm. And maybe in the future there will be again... but then again by that time everything else may be better aswell.
-hugs his storm- I'll never let it go, never!
scrub it off with a tooth brush. Thats all it would take i think if its just water soluable die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
And you guys, i am totally bias to any brand. thats why i have a TDX in my drawer, a d-tek on my main right now, and the GTX chilling on my desk. Crapogee on my NAS, because my crapogee would pwn my TDX, but lose badly against my dtek and gtx... hence why i call it a crapogee. :D
If you dont like it... then just dont use it... Every maker has there 143!. thats i love you product.
If this is gabes 143, then, it has shown to be stronger competitor, which gabe wanted, its very pretty, i even admit that...
All we can do now is wait to see if Gabe is willing to make a brass top, or you take the product as it is. Dont like it? get a d-tek... thats all there is..
hmmmm... might be interesting if you did it. I love your DDC-T01 :D How many beers would it take? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Petra
Then go buy a storm at jab-tech.com. Sorry Alex... you guys cant beat there price on the storm. Its only 54 dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bun-Bun
As i said, i think you guys gave gabe too much fire for not owning something. I showed you guys pictures of the insides, and serial as well as everyone says its still plated. We even got gabe to confirm after viewing all the pictures, thats its normal. Given he should of stated, the dye would come off on the package, But i think the block lived to all this promises
I dont know how much better pictures i could possibly give you guys. I think i gave pretty good ones myself! :fact:
As for me, my dtek is staying inside. Only because for me to swap my block out, i have to drain, untube the top, and then unmount. UGH.. too much work.. i'll pass...
Now if alex, or gabe was to release a ultra version of the top... hmmmm... :stick:
But... its an excellent block. Just very confrontational.. :T
:nono: If you continue calling one of my children a crapogee, I will personnaly come and :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
You have kids? What's their names?
Other than that, and the fact that if your "[Censored]apogee" is a GT version you probably forgot to hook-up the water lines -reason for it's high temps, I have no argument with you :toast:
I agree with whoever said where's the sense of humor in here.. and I confess that I tend to lose mine more often than not because of the job image.
Along these lines I just wanted to make an announcement: Swiftech will soon start selling surgical masks, gowns and gloves, and conduct in-depth seminars on how to fill-out a liquid cooling system in a totally sterile environment. I am enclosing a picture of the recommended accoutrements that will soon be promoted in our installation guides. We have reserved a free sample for Bun-bun, as well a front row seat at the next available seminar ;)
As for naked core cpu's.....i'm sure Swiftech could make the Apogee GT/GTX, with a stepped base like the MCW60's have, for the 'bare all' people ;), as well as offer it as the MCW60 GT :D
what is that crack at the bottom corner on the first pic?
Anyhow.. lol sorry for calling one of your children crap. But she's not an apogeeGT. Shes your original apogee, and i still use it!
But u cant compare it against a dtek or a GT. :P But your right, its still 1 out of 3 blocks i own that you make, i use. My last being a Storm. I had a MP-05, but my brother took that. Performed better with a #2 or 4accelerator. Cant remember.....
But yes, i'll refrain from my <censor>gee :P But i kinda like that nickname, and it stuck to me. :P
It gives that block personality, because,, i have to be going though crap in my loop to use it. That shows how reliable it is. I always come back to it as an emergency backup. :D
__ ;)
Hi Bito...loooong time no talk. Glad to see your'e still live and quickin' :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by bito
For you, we have to make a commerorative "Bito" edition for being one of our oldest customers.. It's been what 5 years? :D
How's the old country doing ?
Cheers
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Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Thanks, and fully agreed - I'm :cool: now!
hmm, evidence of teflon tape in my threads? :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
hmm, replaced original fittings with Unidentified Fitting Object? :eek:
Seriously, what fittings are these? and why did you use teflon?
Hehehehe, those would be the EK high flow barbs which I love the look of. They are a hair fraction under DD high flow and the ones which come with your block to resemble DD high flow barbs albeit a bit taller. Don't have my digital calipers to measure the ID. Yet I think the fraction of a mm isn't going to make that much difference seeing as this block will be on its own dedicated loop.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
That teflon tape was messy, I've redone it since but used a different method. Folded the tape in half so it was no where near the end of the barb.
I've always used teflon tape in my setups and never had a problem.
Edit: That chip doesn't exist, camera must have had a hissy fit as nothing is there :)
heh... you'll be pleased with its performance.
Just make sure you use longer screws if your going to BOW, which i can see you are. TAke the factory mounts, to a hardware store and match its size but about 3/4 an inch longer. Thats my rough estimate, You could go longer, as i dont see any problems as it might casue. Just clearance issue.
And yeah definitely use a backplate. People were snapping at me for my bow, imagine yours without one, and with stock screws. :X
Lastly, mount the NB block, if your going to use one, or remount the factory hp after you completed your bow mounting. This screwed my NB mount and caused my NB temps to float really high. Umm.. if i remember anythign else about that block i'll just edit this post, or reply on another..
Barbs: really nice ; I like the extra ring too. Are these euro style (1/2 buried o-ring into fitting), or separate o-ring like ours?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
Teflon: and you will never have a problem. I was just concerned that ppl would think that Teflon is either needed or effective in terms of leak protection with straight threads, since the seal is really only made by the o-ring. On the other hand, they can't hurt either, so there's no harm there :shrug:
Ghost chip: :D :D :D
Since your'e on the NB topic.. and I know it's off thread, but..Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
How many would like MCW30 special 4-point mount brackets made for the EVGA i680?
would it keep the price the same?? If anything gabe, i think a better mounting system for the SPP would be more prefered. Many have to custom design something, or use zipties. :nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
But if it would keep the cost of the block the same to keep it competitive then DD's, im sure it would be a good option.
However, SPP!! mounting should be your primary task. :P More people buy these for that then the NB.
They are Euro style, with a indentation for the O-Ring to sit in, excuse the shoddy photography - company only gives us Ixus400 due to the fact we only take 640 res photos to upload every day, so nothing better needed. If I wasn't building a dual loop cube case - I would splash out on a SLR.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
http://www.mekerz.tsohost.co.uk/Lian...eGTX%20007.jpg
http://www.mekerz.tsohost.co.uk/Lian...eGTX%20008.jpg
RE Teflon: Yeah, I know G1/4 the o-ring gives the seal but I suppose teflon tape has carried on from before G1/4 was popular. I wasn't into watercooling or probably PC's back then but when reading up before my first loop - teflon was the thing to do. So yeah probably un needed but as you say, no harm.
RE: eVGA 680i - Think it would be in your best interest to. Think out of all the 680i boards this will grow very popular due to eVGA being the only board to go for a revision to clock quads higher. I don't own a 680i board so no skin off my back. Even the DFI board doesn't do as well compared with a quad but maybe Oskar just hasn't hit the right nail yet.
ok..corrison may not be an issue but what about the long term bowing on the mobo...what effect will have
I am beginning to want ot upgrade my Storm....I never thought I would say this but the the GTX looks like a viable option
I hope in a few months to get a Lian Li V2100 and PA120.3
BTW..I am a big fan of swiftech(MCW60/Storm rev2,mcp655, MX159-cu)
I just hate the MCW60 mounting...I got right before the mounting setup changed last yr...I had no idea there was a change coming
Gabe really enjoyed this comment. I have been a supporter of your plating process from the get go. Even to where the "trusty mod" here gave me an infraction for blasting the ignorant, who are ignorant and know nothing but hearsay about this process. Not one of them has provided proof of failure of you plating process.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
But alas, the average consumer isn't too smart or simply doesn't want to do a little research these days. Spoon fed is the way it is...
Ply
Ply, you shouldn't have been saying "shut up", that's a little too harsh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Plywood99
Just be sure to follow the forum rules as best as you can ;)
That sums it up right there, doesn't it...Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
Ply
You can't blame users for questioning such things in my opinion. These blocks cost money, as does the tubing, rad etc and corrosion will happen in them all from one block. People have seen the crap thats left behind when it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plywood99
So it's kind of safer than sorry.
Thats not to say gabe can't be trusted, and I've never said he couldn't be in this thread - I think it takes a lot to sway someones perception of something once they have seen or experienced something bad about it.
Yet I take his word on the plating and the dye not affecting my coolant enough to warrant me worrying.
cant really answer your question on tihs neal. My board wasnt kept at the bow bend for a very long time. I did note it did sqew my NB mounting, which threw my system temps off the sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Ummm, 3 days of bowing and my CPu block showed almost no warpage. I did a flat test on it, and its still flat after i swaped over the oversized O-ring. Make sure you definitely use a good backplate, and get longer screws to help you mount the block. The stock screws wont work, there just too short.
Also, the MCW30 on the SB, is very tricky at best. I had to use old screws from my Maze4 GPU blocks to mount it securly. Bolting from the bottom is very tricky at best, because you cant get it perfect on the top go. The thing moves when you try to slide the bolt on the back, or the screw on top. Im sure if you fix this issue, your MCW30 sales will improve... i dont think you have a issue with it now, seeing how most places are SOLD out. :D
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0592.jpg
This is what i mean... wish i could get a cleaner top pick, but its pratically sitting on my video card. :T
And yeah. the SPP gets hotter then the MCP. Which is why a good mounting system is required. Even with this much flow, i still have a hard time keeping it under 40 at load.
What size mounting screws should I get? I'm planning on mounting with a back plate. :)
take your stock mounting screws. And goto a hardware store, unless gabe can tell you the exact size and catigory they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
Then just get ones 3/4 of an inch to 1 inch longer. I always liked long mounting screws, thats just me, 3/4 an inch to make the black top lugs fit with little to no gap from your nuts.
1 inch for extra clearance so you can just slide the block and screws and everything without screwing the mount.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...a/IMG_0570.jpg
1.25inches longer screws were used in these pics.
If you have a DD block, i suggest you pick up some brass nuts.
Brass on brass = sexy to me :D
With all the new waterblocks coming out it is a watercooling junkie's dream! :D
Yea, I could see a brass Edelbrock, now that would be class. :cool:
Ur best bet would be to bug alex to make one... i think gabe announced his possition strongly on the brass top:Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
To requote:
The fact that a few of you are putting pressure on us to make a Delrin top (forget brass) for this block is one thing. And maybe we will in the future.. after all if it can sell a few hundred more water-blocks, why would I be against it? But the objective reality is simple: there is absolutely nothing wrong with the current process that we use to plate the GTX, period.
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Originally Posted by mcoffey
Lol, exhibit A...
Ply
hey mcoffey, you do know the MCW-6500T uses alu on its top right?? i think it was mentioned a few posts back.
Your going back to your original delema now. :D
The problem with SPP is simple: 2 mounting points, and crowded area. Primary issue is rocking of the w/b due to lateral pressure exerted by the tubes. But reflecting on the problem gave me a solution I should have seen along time ago. So now I have to go work on it. Something's cooking!Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Thanks !
screws are 6-32Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekrel
length? Your choice really.
Note that our upcoming backplate will use metric (bracing for explosion of criticism). But there is a good reason for it -please have faith ppl- and when you see it, I believe you will like it.
Hmm, the GTX is testing far better than the GT. Confusering to say the least. I asked myself, "Self!", how is this possible? Swiftech says 1c at best. I am finding significantly more than 1c. Anyhow, is it JUST the diagonal waterflow? Lower deck height? Hmmm? Well, I have another theory which will be confirmed or denied tomorrow.
http://www.anonforums.com/builds/tes...on/apogee1.jpg
http://www.anonforums.com/builds/tes...on/apogee2.jpg
Yea but at my age I have learned that sometimes the wanting is better than the having. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Brass has class! :cool: :cool:
[QUOTE=nikhsub1;2119269]Hmm, the GTX is testing far better than the GT. Confusering to say the least. I asked myself, "Self!", how is this possible? Swiftech says 1c at best. I am finding significantly more than 1c. Anyhow, is it JUST the diagonal waterflow? Lower deck height? Hmmm? Well, I have another theory which will be confirmed or denied tomorrow.
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isnt that the top the the GT??? ahahaha..
I think you'll notice better temps with the GTX top. But then again, i think i scared teh pants out of you with my top pictures.
Yes it is, good eye. You didnt scare me, I would NEVER run aluminum in my loop no matter what it's coated with :) The GTX had it's 5 mounts on my test rig.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
In that case, you are not testing the proper product and your results are not reflective of the actual product. At least state that disclaimer. One wouldn't think that the spacing of the barbs matter?
Umm WTF? I tested the GTX in the test rig like every other block, I tested the GT as well. This is just a quick test to confirm or deny a hunch I have. Again, the GT and the GTX were both tested like every other block. IDK what disclaimer you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
Never mind. I have no interest in a showdown. Its a waste of time. Sorry that I annoy you.
Well it seems to me that you are under the impression that I've done something unethical? Wrong? I don't understand why you would suggest I need a disclaimer? For what exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
http://www.anonforums.com/builds/tes...on/apogee3.jpg
IanY thought you were testing the GTX with the GT top, since you said you'd never run any Al, no matter how coated, in your loop. I guess he didn't see that pic.
Ahh, I see. I would not run anything al. in MY system (points to big green machine in avatar). The test rig (which I guess could also be considered my system) will run anything and everything :D Sorry for the confusion Ian.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
I think Nikhsub1...is trying a novel approach...Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
I do not believe he is try to mislead or decieve anyone..I actually think it is a great idea....
if the results are good Gabe(aka swiftech may even consider selling a hybrid product..since he did say he would be open to things/ideas if it will help him sell a few 100 more blocks)
I am sure he will post results for the 5mounts with the GT and GTX blocks..and a hybrid product to see how that works
EDIT: oops maybe I am the one being really stupid..I may have misread things..so you cant place a GT top on the GTX base?...
Yeah Nik's earlier post kinda sounded like he tested the gtx with the gt top...
Ply
Edit:: nevermind, already cleared up...
Guys FYI!!!! The ONLY difference between GT and GTX is top and mount plate. Base is the SAME.
Few, at least someone understands me...Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
dude when are you going to post some results? u always say u have no interest in showdowns this and that, but yet u comment on everything. Post some of your results, good or bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
Uh... yeah! Count me in!Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
He doesn't like to do that...Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
We might get scared by seeing his monster rig anyways :p:
Well my hunch has been disproven :( It is the top and the top alone... shorter deck height and diagonal flow.
This will have nikhsub1 reaching for the Prozac :D
http://www.overclockers.com/articles169/
Aluminum Tidal Pool CPU Waterblock
Please, gabe make it and we will buy en mass....Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
LOLOL...up until 1 week ago i had 2 hybrid blocks like in my sig...MCW60GT's with the GT base. Exactly 1c better performance than a MCW60 in every situation i threw at them. And they are flat for all those guys that wanna try their hands at home made TEC blocks....Quote:
Originally Posted by bito
Hey...I resemble that "trusty mod"....please know I didn't single you out....I am just doin my job...Quote:
Originally Posted by Plywood99
Btw, my own testing has revealed a bit better performance with my fairly highly overclaocked E6300. At 3.5ghz and 1.6 vcore the GTX has about 2c better Delta T (from the ambient air temps) than the GT. This is like 4c better than the Fuzion which I also own....and ...well...a lot better than my trusty Storm. I cannot wait til April 22nd so I can order my greatly-reduced-price quad core and really heat things up! I'll be finishing this part of the CPU review and publishing it soon as someone can loan me an MP-05 to see if it can hang with the home boys at Swiftech. Alex - *cough* sells them *cough* can he *cough* loan me one?;)
That website is funny, I see all these ghetto waterblocks and ghetto DIY stuff LMAO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Digz
Count me in three. Also, I'd like to request a special mounting mechanism for the Evga SB as well. Right now most of us have to jerry rig it with either zip ties or by dremeling the screw in half and hard mounting it without springs.Quote:
Originally Posted by virtualrain
Second, third, fourth and fifth that vote!Quote:
Originally Posted by ranker
You missed the eariler post. I kept hounding him on that, and he got a insight. Read up. :D :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by ranker
actually here:
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by gabe
Hi Gabe :)
'Live; kickin' and still running Swiftech gear, since the original P2/P3 days :)
Still have the original Quiet Power, on a friends rig, although with updated blocks.
I look forward to the 'Bito' edition ;)
The country's doing fine and glad to say we have a few UK distributers now, not like the 'early days.'
K. Rgrds
Need a North Bridge Block for the Bad Axe II. EVGA Mobo's... why you need 600 MHZ FSB for?? lol.
Gabe,Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Any plans to release a G80/G81 version MCW-Ramcool ? May I suggest a 3/8" fitting (instead of 1/4" fitting) this time around ?
As already intimated, can we expect a MCW60GT soon ?
I mounted my MCW30 to the NB on my board and I have to say a 4 point mount would allow for a secure and balanced mate with the NB chip. It seems, though I have tightened the screws almost to the point the wont move it doesn't seem secure to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Do the GT and GTX's absolutely have to have the thicker o-ring/bowed base ?? How do they perform out of the box ?
GTX coming tommorow :D
For best performance they must be bowed. With a flat base they are (at a guess, flat versions going in test bed this week) 2-3C worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by bito