The thread is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by wittekakker
OPB cannot defend himself as he is on a temporary ban.
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The thread is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by wittekakker
OPB cannot defend himself as he is on a temporary ban.
WHy should we close this thread since neither OPB and Coolaler showed us their ability to optimize their spi time ???Quote:
Originally Posted by wittekakker
Don't tell me to close my eyes when I see those results :D
It is the Japanese diminutive, it nothing offensive :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Your best phrase in this thread. CongratzQuote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
:toast: :toast:
If I may ask, for what reason? This is not his first temp ban...Quote:
Originally Posted by uOpt
For the record OPB is not on a temp ban I think he is having probs with his account.
Please, boblemagnifique keep your comments to yourself. Whether you feel this is offensive or not it has offended Dumo which happens to be Japanese. Thanks!
I think is was a generic short-term ban for verbal abuse of other users.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordofDoom
His bad temper doesn't allow conclusions about his SuperPi times :)
This is not and offend to you uOpt...but to the one on XS Staff that banned him.Quote:
Originally Posted by uOpt
If this is the case then it´s just plain stupid....instead of temp.banning him XS Staff should contact him and ask/encourage him to get over here and make a statement once and for all.
How do you expect him to loggin and answer with a ban.
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Originally Posted by ThePredator
if you dont know the diminutive (can be that doesnt exist in your language) :confused:
finally is well to divert the subject for another :rolleyes:
The Japanese is the kings of optimization since years !!!
and for 1.5 years , That hasn't shocked anybody results impossible A making within sight of the timmings and OS :cool:
finally I see that that make react on a diminutive rather than a score :rolleyes:
I feel that the OCX members need to stop the bashing, especially the mods from that site. We need to hear from OPB.
Actually, it's a racial slur. Like calling Chinese "chinks". A really offensive word in Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by boblemagnifique
In french, jap isn't racist at all...
SOrry if it's not pleassant in english. It's wasn't voluntary
Sorry I didnt know, I make my most sincere excuses ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
ahaha, the word "japs" may have offensive mood...
...especially in case of being used by American people:D
Thank you Dumo, and don't worry french man, boblemagnifique;)
Boblemagnifique isn't American though. It may have a different denotation and/or connotation in France. I'm a mere French student so IDK. Not the problem at hand however, it's sidetracking.
nice sig you got there.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordofDoom
Thanks, that happened to be exactly my thought at this very moment, how strange. A friend of mine made it for me, great sigmaker for sure.
Off topic, sorry for being a hippocrite <---
Maybe you should read my post! OPB IS NOT BANNED HE IS HAVING TROUBLE LOGGING IN!!!!!! Is clear enough?? Please dont flame our mods here!Quote:
Originally Posted by Naughtyboy
Edit: OPB's ban was awhile ago and we are now all past that so leave it be!
I would have learned some things today :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kyosen
Still sorry if I wounded Japanese, it wasn't absolutely my intention
BOB :slapass:
Hmm I think he is talking about the ridiculous demand you have in your sig...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LordofDoom
Wow this was definately something wierd to read after a nap :P
Never woulda thought this woulda come form two of the worlds top..
Id def like to hear their responces..
this thread helps everybody to flood and have more posts
Yeh, nice sig yourself:
Dagorath please come to XS so I can ban you!!!
You might have misunderstood me. I don't hate Coolaler nor OPB, but these accusations are not without merit, and so explanations are needed. I'm not saying they're cheaters, I'm not saying they're not, but that mention in my signature is pretty much what I'm thinking. I like my picture'd sig though :)
Maybe a voice of reason here for a minute: IF ANYONE has 100% proof against any of these guys that they did something underhanded show it..Quote:
Originally Posted by LordofDoom
If not, back off. If you were talking about me this way I know I'd be pissed beyond beleif and so would you.
All I've seen in my email notifications for 2 days is posts on this subject.
It's like "lets take free shots at the big guys"
C'mon, Aren't we better than this?
My opinion: That line in your sig should go..
If you knew the circumstances with Dagorath you'd understand. The guy was a pig and thats the nicest way I can say it. I mean filth beyond description.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordofDoom
Haha don't you mean who? :lol: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
My humble opinion: Let us all quit spamming this topic until the OPB or Coolaler return with explanation. It was said this was to be an open letter.
Keep it friendly, cheers!
just a quick observation...
EVERY single week after a NASCAR race the race officials impound the winning car. They proceed to disassemble the car, measuring all important specifications and comparing to the rules and allowed dimensions. Noone is saying that Jeff Gordon was CHEATING, but his car is still checked. It's simply standard procedure.
And noone is saying that OPB/CA cheated, but let's just say their car passed everyone on the same straightaway like they were standing still...
Are you really sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
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Originally Posted by zbogorgon
Do that make 1 year that I await these explanations but staff XS doesnt have even constant my request (it is normal?)Quote:
Originally Posted by njkid32
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...t=85069&page=3
The data processing (overclocking) is a passion, it is absolutely not my Job and I find poor to cheat has interests personal :mad:
Which interest to protect OPB since more 1 year without us to help has that he says how he made? there are things which we dont know?
What one said to me it is very nice and it has excellent knowledge (what I believe without any doubt) but there are scores which aren't realizable and have require that it be explained or why he remakes it (camera by example benchs until its screen)
But I see that you prefer to make it leave to calm the people and will be able to return from here a few times without incidence ....
I am very disappointing of attitude of the staff of XS, so still this time, nothing dont do and that you close the eyes, I have any reason to return here. (a large mouth of less :p: )
I have anything hid and I feel clean on my screens, I give myself pleasure above all, I dont make a race has to be the best
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Originally Posted by massman
Is that a joke? Your plot points are almost a full second thick!
Before I saw that post you quoted: I honestly believed this was at least arguably legit. I suspected somehow he was suspending functions that aren't normally able to be suspended. But reading that, you know: F' him. I don't give a rats ass about Spi records. In fact I dont think I've ever ran Spi to actually get a good score (only to mod screenshots as a joke in fact). Anyone who's seen what I've had to say in the past month at the crap that's been going on where some pretty pathetic people have been trying to profit via underhanded methods in what used to be an amazing demonstration of skill and tenacity will be able to tell you that I've been nothing if not forgiving, even bordering on cynical about it. I've plainly stated that my only concern over it is how unfair it is to the legitimate players in a game I respect but shy away from. It sickens me seeing what people are doing to it. Even if he proves that he is the best tweaker in the world and he single handedly sets a new standard for pi benching, he has lost any respect I had for him due to his behavior in this circumstance. That goes double for the representatives of OCX here. Their personal attacks, rudeness, and self-important desire to be above question in what anyone with a head not firmly inserted in their own rectum can see are at present questionable results has done nothing for their arguement beside convincing me never to visit their forum. Congratulations, you have risen yourselves above the traditional arseholitry of the rest of the internet. That's like beating a retarded bloodhound in a drooling contest. Your mama's must be proud.Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
i love OPB catfights and twisted taiwenglish :D bing it on dude
what's this OCX thing again searches google :p:
IS ANYONE POSTING ANYWHERE ELSE ON XS ASIDE FROM THIS THREAD LOL
For any that don't know, this guy,BottledWater, is ZX9871 and was banned from XS ..Just made a new account..Quote:
Originally Posted by BottledWater
But I will answer the question as it is valid:
He's correct that I don't usually post outside the DC section as that is my main interest. I do post now and then in other sections if I feel the need to express an opinion and I do read most of the sections and learn from a great many of you guys.
I posted here because I saw what amounts to a which hunt and slander.
These questions should have been presented to these guys in PM's and if they chose to answer fine, if not, that is their choice. BUT to have this type of thread with the innuendo thats been written here is just wrong in my opinion. I repeat, if there is proof, post it, but without proof this is just slander and I don't know any of these people in question.
This is just a matter of principle to me.
Oh, yes, I do run super pi, not in any competitions but for a fast stability test on a new rig.
Best I've got is 15.562s on SP1M..Now thats at settings that will run at 100% load 24/7..
Not earthshattering but not too bad either and it's on a dual socket server board.:D
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by Lithan
:eek: ok, but i want to be a faking legend too, so look at this one :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
http://www.overclocking-masters.com/...eens/fake2.PNG
Since OPB hasn't offered any response, does the #1 title in 1M belong to picoo now and everyone moves on?
No it's me , i was at 6Ghz but cpu-z won't start :p:
I'd guess it belongs to Picoo for now. Good job Picoo! Someone needs to break 9s!
we need a bench (512K, 1M, 2M ...) description in the superpi validator.
the fact is that XS superPi checksum is poor
it has really poor security... who code it, need to learn lot more...
anyone can cheat this checksum!
yes, i can code, and i have some hashing code with much more security... c/c++ language.
if someone from XS wants some tips about hashing, pm me
I just don't get it, it's been said like a thousand times already, just give him a chance to respond:stick: , NJkid32 already said he is having issues logging in...
What kind of issues logging in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
he does not want to respondQuote:
Originally Posted by Shift
it's been communicated through a third party in my posts here asking for a response
problem is that people are taking this personally and they shouldn't as they are being legitimately questioned over results which are way out of ordinary. Posters have used other analogies >> car racing is a good one....champs are under scrutiny like everyone else and if there is foul play they get punished if not let's move on
i just feel all this nonesense about you did this and you did that and you're a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing :banana::banana::banana::banana: and other crap that's going back and forth is bullcrap..........
What this thread and people in it need now is some hard facts and no ;) ;) or :slap: :slap: or :stick: :stick:
OK :toast:
You're absolutely right. I just wish they wouldn't take it personally. Even if there is nothing to hide I can understand the frustration.
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Originally Posted by dinos22
I dont blame OPB for not wanting to deal with it, English isnt his native language, and he has already had to deal with it before.
Its time to start making solutions, like a more secure Pi, and not flaming results that cannot be proven to be fake.
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Originally Posted by Nanometer
having everyone chip thier 2 cents in probably doesn't help either.
I really didnt want to get involved in this thread, but here I am.
Wouldnt the easiest solution, for all sides, be that opb and coolaler submit there tweaks to hwbot admin/moderators? This was suggested earlier, but lost amongst the flaming.
I'm sure everyone here would except their decision, if they didnt it would really make a mockery of the world records!
Regards
John.
Here is two OPB scores viewed in this thread, lots of differences, and the last loop is strangely different compared to other, not the same on the 12.734s.
http://www.overclocking-masters.com/...ns/OPBfake.PNG
Yeah...like ( if that can't login is true ) he couldn't...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shift
a) try logging from another PC
b) try registering a new account
c) tell one of his friends to post on his behalf.
Now stop providing us with stupid ( no offense ) excuses please.
Hahahhaha how handy. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by guess2098
Sorry guys, just slowly reading through all this now..
Odd find...:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
Wait, zoom in the comparison between 8.125s and 9.125s, I'm interested.
Is this not a huge reason to get a community effort for a simple benching program (a la Super Pi) that is developed by clockers, for clockers, and possibly even open source.
I'm sure there are more than enough programmers here to be able to make a secure program that can let us alleviate these kinds of threads.
I won't even get into "blah is guilty" or "hoo-ha seems dodgy" but I will state that a lot of the tweaks I've learnt from this forum have come from OPB and for that I am grateful.
Am I missing something with that screenshot... ?
jpeg compression?Quote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
all of this is very sad indeed...
whoa, hot topic!
and thers a governing body for spi? lol
this stuff is taken a bit way too serious..
i just dont get it, what kind of satisfaction one gets from cheating at spi/overclock/3dmark/etc...?
just compare pixel for pixel the 2 screenshots, on the 12.734 all is repeated, darks pixels are at the same place on each loop even the last.Quote:
Originally Posted by NickS
On the 8.9s the last loop is really different, that's evident for me.
Really bad work...
Exactly! If i was those guys, I'd have to explain myself. Either way their rep (that they have tried so hard to build up to what it is), is now shot to :banana::banana::banana::banana:. They have the opportunity to clear their names but they choose not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
Quote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
both are the the same, the pixels or not identical but on the 2 different screens there is the same noize on the idecntical screen.
Not every pic is the same you know
Ok I'll be blunt here, all I'm saying is everyone is essentially saying the same thing over and over again. 19 pgs of just people saying he cheated, then some saying it is a tweak, then some saying don't take this offensively, etc. W/e just wait for a response from the both of them...
I don't think there will be a response. Just pages of what has already been said.. and this post too.
Guess what, you're wrong here :DQuote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
Run SuperPi 1M.
Take a screenshot and save it with Paint as JPG.
Now open the jpg with paint, and save it again with a different filename.
Open both with Paint [ run two instances of Paint ] and match the displays ( I used 1 white space from the first digit from left corner to top ) and check it out with zoom.
It's different.
There will be darker "shadow" pixels on the second save.
The little shadows are common when converting to JPG files. I notice it a lot. If you want the best quality, leave it in the original format. But that can take up lots of space.
as many times you save the jpg without even doing anything to it the quality reduce.... if he did any cheat believe me isnt with photoshop, also i dont see why he needs to cheat we now he has HW SKILL and the COOLING i think either he has a tweak or a boggus run....
I dont think 50400 is needed.
see results here:
tested on abit aw9d-max, result=50299 :)
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Originally Posted by VictorWang
try to get 50299 at 5ghz+, its an entirely different ballgame ;)
:fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by ex2cib
well PNG is a lossless codec. But it isn't impossible to put anything on a screen as say a background and hide the task bar. Then just use a regular Camera to "record" your new world recordQuote:
Originally Posted by Nanometer
I tend to agree with cronic here. Though it may not have been the intention of the original post to call OPB and Coolaler cheats, it could be interperated that way, particularly if english is not your primary languageQuote:
Originally Posted by cronic
In particular, this line cannot be taken any other way, no matter what language you speak.The thread title itself seemingly sets the tone that something not-qute-right has been discovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Again, whether it was the intention or not, the thread has seemingly continued to take on this tone.
In other words, prove it or you're a cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
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Originally Posted by raju
This is a very bold statement raju. I respect you and OPB but can you please post some scores to add to this claim :)Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
Though definately an amazing accomplishment Predator, which involved killing numerous motherboards in the attemp, iirc OPB had to disable one core to get to 5.7Ghz so stability would indeed seem to be a factor in this debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePredator
I've got a 38sec 8M time due to an error on the 680i. SuperPi errored out on the 4th loop and just repeated the 38sec for the remaining loops. It gave a checksum value but no screen capture was possible because the system had psuedo-crashed.Quote:
Originally Posted by PallMall
I'm not sure what should happen with these scores. Indeed it would be good to see them replicated and their accuracy verified but it seems that more and more, Xtremesystems is becoming a place of XtremeEgos that often clash together and take away from what I see as a possitive online community.
Just my 2 cents :)
I've seen runs that take an extra iteration. Just throwing it out there, but SPi might be the problem.
Oh god I thought that claim went the way of the wind with stephen... Please prove that lower volts makes a CPU faster because I haven't been able to.Quote:
also , the less vcore the best performance at the same speed
I can't believe that I read all this...wow
Some of you people with too much time on your hands, would you get rid of opb's 3dm06 score and while you're at it quess's as well
then you can kick the crap out of me, cause I would be number 1...:)
have a nice day
let me get this right.... that formula is apparently oly valid for a small frequency range...
HEY -
ever think that formula might not work perfectly for anything but one exact frequency?
as for this... I doubt either faked their scores.
The formula is valid for 250 results between 4251MHz and 5620MHz.
Listen, to all you OPB fanboys who claim OPB could never do anything wrong--you're just as bad as the people you're accusing of calling OPB a liar. Do NOT come in here with your giant, bold, red letters proclaiming OPB is #1 and we're all the anti-Christ for questioning his results when you, yourselves, have NO statistics to back up your claims. I understand OCX loves OPB, but that's no reason to act like a bumbling idiot, blindly acquitting OPB of any possible wrongdoing because he's a figurehead at OCX.
It's simple, so let me explain: when someone obtains a result that's statistically far out of the norm, that raises probable cause to simply ask for an explanation of how they obtained this result.
And by the way, please shut the hell up, complaining about OPB'S tweaks shouldn't be made public because someone might steal them and conquer France or whatever. NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE DAMN TWEAKS. Stop :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing about the stupid tweaks. THEY'RE NOT NUCLEAR SECRETS. Jesus. This thread isn't some big conspiracy to find out OPB's tweaks and then steal the WR from him; the point is to find out whether or not the tweaks he used were legitimate Windows tweaks, or whether he just fabricated it. And before you start saying things that are so stupid they make my head ache, read this: JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS EXPECTED TO GIVE PROOF OF THEIR RESULTS DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GUILTY.
If you cannot understand that simple mantra, leave.
QFT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omastar
There's nothing wrong on this picture:
http://desertshooter.nl/OPBfake_new..png
OPB:-
"common, andy, eat those words back and be good for your mod . do it good not do me to death.
I am really sorry for you as you can act like a$$hole completely and certainly you know what you did.
so don't fake as blind and tell me
where, I did not see anything.
yup because you are purely just nothing to me.
period."
Is he talking about me ?
I think I have been rather restrained up to now, haven't posted for a while, but while since you bring my name up I might as well reply :-
Here's a thread someone pointed out recently about Coolaler cheating in 3dmark a while ago
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ler#post463164
Completely nailed by macci and Shamino .. macci just knew too much about 3dmark to be caught out , putting the icing on the cake of Shamino's work ;)
Now once a cheater always a cheater they say. So asuming Coolaler cheated then and assuming there are cheat methods available for SuperPi now and knowing how competitive you guys are over there then you can see why there is now so much suspicion. As you and Coolaler got going did you perhaps just get a bit carried away to win the day with the final top scores ?
Now you can go and write *%#" etc etc in your forum about me. I take it rather as a complement, must be getting a bit close to the truth eh ?
Regards
Andy
Interesting image filename there............. They do seem to be suspicious though.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertShooter
Your analysis shows that .png is the only way to go for faking images :D
To others who say that statistically anomylous results need to be investigated further, absolutely. Is saying the results are wrong unless proven otherwise really the way to go though?
If I ran a bugged run of 8.905 at 5.6GHz tonight, it wouldn't be TOO out of line, but it would still be a bugged run, and therefore wrong.
Just because a result has stood for 2 months does not mean it's passed the test.
Always waiting a spi very optimised Superpi bench under camera...
5GHz sub 10s :D should be easily done since OPB get 8.9s for 5.5xxGHz
I can see this is going to turn into OPB and everyone from OCX taking shots at Vapor and everyone else who isn't agreeing wholeheartedly with them. OPB already pretty much lashed out at everyone not on his side, in broken english sure, but regardless that tells me he has something to hide.
Omastar, we need a cam bench, not his tweaks...
However, since he won't answer our question directly or via a friend, he make me more and more convinced that he cheated (bench at higher freq then lowering freq for telling : look I'm a god of optimisation
Hey mate! we are longer no "taking shots" to vapor or to anyone here, we are being polite and giving the respect you dont give us. Please all the talking is enough. If OPB want to share his tweaks he will do, and if not there is nothing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omastar
Flaming this thread to 1xxxx pages wouldnt do him replying, and If you already think he is cheating no one of his tweaks will do you think other thing, so please, understand my broken english and stop flaming.
If you guys are happy thinking he is a cheater is ok for me. If you guys are happy thinking his WR run is "not legit" its ok for me too, but please, no more posting taking shots for OCX or OPB, lets only wait and see. Thanks you :)
cheers:)
Wrong example as for my oppinion.........In sports you have to explain WHY you got those anabolics pills and you came first......;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
Please stop the XS v OCX bullcrap. That's not the intention or desire of this thread, so just let it down. This goes for people on both sides of the fence (you should know who you are).
Final Warning.
p.s., I think we can all agree that OPB and/or Coolaler's words and/or actions are needed to clarify at this point....let's see if we can get that account issue fixed
EDIT: and hipro....let's add a 'bug' scenario to sports: Justin Gatlin's WR in Dubai, was recinded into a tie for the WR because of a TIMING error :p:
Sharing their tweaking is meaningless.
If they want to prove they did't cheat before, I think the best way would be shoot a little film to show how they get the results, including turning on their machines, adjusting the oc options, downloading the spi 1.5 program from xs, and getting the 'amazing' results.:toast:
You're no longer taking shots? What does that mean? The post I saw from OPB made it sound like he took shots at quite a few people, and he's the one who is getting overly defensive about this whole matter. Why? Does he have something to hide? You can't place the blame on XS for something OPB clearly doesn't want to demonstrate for it. The tone in his post alone makes it sound like he's not going to share tweaks, let alone a cam bench. And the purpose for knowing his tweaks are so someone else can replicate them and try to find out how much time they take off the Spi1m run, and indeed if they do coincide with OPB's results. That's all. But OPB seems pretty resistant to any of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by J0d3r
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Originally Posted by boblemagnifique
It's OFFENSIVE to them......So PLEASE FORGET this word......;)
actually there is a little something in that in AMD but not as significant as S7 was saying it wasQuote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
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Originally Posted by hipro5
yes , i didn't know :) , I excused myself towards the Japanese community and even in pm at Dumo :toast:
I calculated the best frequency to have a sub 10.000 (9.999) is around 5011MHz = ~50110 (2:3 ratio is needed) and full optimizations, so the sub 9s (8.999s) is at 5568MHz (2:3 too)
already awesome but not impossible, I can :)
Shi(f)t!.........This thread eats much of my time!......I just finished reading the rest of it...... :(
I have come to one conclusion so far:
OPB and Coolaler will not be the same to many of you/us......Blanked names that will be "on air" for ever with doubts......I would never like to be in their place......:(
nice correction for there and their :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
not quoted :D
uh, goes to the bed!!
In fact, with 2:3 we can keep a very nice time-frequency ratio, 49600 ~4.2GHz :)
What exactly are we waiting to see? No sign of any reasoning by either party involved...Quote:
Originally Posted by J0d3r
if anything this thread is a perfect example of what happens when a respected figure decieves their comunity.
hopefully either one can right themselves since the community would be losing some very influencial ppl to reason yet unknown...
I personally looked up to both and it would be disheartening to not see them around anymore.
NOTHINGQuote:
Originally Posted by T_M
this thread is obsolete
OPB is not going to say anything as he previously stated except for a bunch of jibberish taiwanese style :p: and coolaler's LOOOOOOOOOOONG gone
someone close this thread and let's move on will ya
well, We must remove its 1M WR or not? its 32M seems ok :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I prefer to close your mouth for a long time :D (joke) :p
Not sure why I just read the whole thread, perhaps I was hoping for one of the two accused parties to retailate, but it seems that it didn't happen
I'm inclined to think the fact they don't even want to tell everyone to fook off with the insinuations is not doing them any good, just like the fact they are steering clear off these forums after they have done so much to be spoken about, be known as record breakers and that; they seem comfortable with mud all over themselves rather than standing up and getting rid of it... if this is the case, so be it.. but the room for explanations shrinks day by day..
i'm not going to join the "dude watch !! this bit lacks a grey dot so it must be fake" bandwagon.. even though I was there with everyone else's :eek: ing at the weirdness of certain PI loops, nevertheless trial tells me that it can happen and that it deffinately has happened in the past
OPB and coolaler... like my dad once said, never run off your problems/insecurities, or they will just multiplicate by several orders of magnitude !! (alas, if you ignore the :banana::banana::banana::banana: yourselves have indirectly caused on here, you might be accused by your fellas too at one point.. and i'm pretty sure it is not the biggest motivator to carry on your overclocking hobby at its best and fullest !)
yet again if you two are comfortable with all of this, so be it !! i'm sure XS members lives will not stop here :D
hahahah :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by cpulloverclock
Canada/France/Boston, MA you gonna make you mind up already :p:
i think the difference between our post counts says a lot dinos
:P