where did he say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by CPLB
where did he say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by CPLB
Sorry I was mistaken, he did not specifically say they overclocked better but he did say:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikesta
"3. 2.1gx2 (2gb set) DDR2 800mhz CL:4-4-4----> I love this more than 667 c3 (Post #63)"
And I assumed he was refering to overclocking potential.
For anyone interested, I did try and explain what happened with this order. It's not "our" system that's the problem - it's the address check system provided by the banks. I explained that the memory is gone now, but that I'd be happy to help work on circumventing the issue with the processing, should he be interested in purchasing something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
To be honest though, if he does decide to never look at our site again, that's the type of customer that I won't lose any sleep over. I have never understood why some people get so worked up. Life's too short, and my profit margins too thin, to care to deal with that :D
Seriously Lestat, I don't think i've seen a positive post from you during the last week. Why being rude with Tankguys ? He offer you his help with courtesy.
I can quite honesltly say, I've recieved nothing but excellent service so far, thanks OPB!
regards
Raja
Ditto....I had one stick come DOA (IDK how...the second stick isn't clocking too well either from my quick tests, maybe something happened in shipping?), and got it sorted out in only a matter of hours. Team Group even paid for shipping both ways. TankGuys helped with the RMA process as well, which was a nice touch seeing as they didn't have to :)
I agree with others. Now that I know the quality of these sticks, I'd gladly pay $50 more for another set if need be. (Although I've got another set already on my way for total 4GB. :D) C'mon, it's still $200 less than those Corsair, OCZ, etc. which basically use the same ICs. What more do you want?
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
Lestat is a whiner... just ignore him ;)
Now he can put TeamGroup next to Asus on his hate list...
Lestat is a waste of time, ignore his nonsense.
As for the ram: TankGuys dropped the ball on my order, shipped just 2GB of the 3-4-4-8 sticks when I had pre-paid for 4GB on the 10th, and are now claiming they're out of the discountinued sticks (when I placed the order they had 50 sets that had just come in, but I waited for a P5W to come back into stock before allowing them to ship them and by the time they did, they were out - despite me pre-paying in full for the sticks at the very beginning. Small shops don't set aside parts as they should when recieving a pre-pay because they have no actual warehouse...they "order" everything through distributors).
They're trying to solve the issue now as best they can, I'll keep the board updated as to the result in terms of customer satisfaction and end result.
Got my Team Group 3-4-4-8 today. D9GMH chips and thankfully no BS heatspreaders. Voltage range on the sticker is 2-2.2V. The sticks in the first post were 1.8-2.2V. Glad my new board goes that high.
Glad I ordered when I did if they're OOS under $200 :) This is the first time in a while I haven't felt ripped off by memory order.
Now all I need is a Conroe :) I've got everything else ready to go.
Mako88,
Why did they have to wait for your board to arrive? ...
The best solution, obviously, would be to send you one of the "new" 3-3-3-8 sets that has the same exact chips. It's not like it's costing them any more money to make the set. I wouldn't settle for anything less if you pre-paid that long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mako88
I don't have any doubt tank will make it right. It might even be my fault for recommending the ram so much last week in the Intel section with a direct link to tankgs themselves.
Lestat, you need to chill bro. And get a CC for christ sakes!
I only got 2GB as well when I paid for 4GB. Since its the weekend I don't expect to hear from them until Monday.
I can't test them either because they don't seem to work on my backup PC (HP slimline which uses DDR2-3200 for stock). I'll have to wait until my Conroe comes :)
Agree, and I'd add in a FedEx overnight 1-day ship time at their expense as well, being that this delay has gone on long enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by aldamon
They seem like nice guys thus far, good service, I don't feel it will turn out badly. Either way, I'll update this thread appropriately based on what they do.
ewitte: I know how you feel, guess it happened to more than just one or two of us...
I'm fairly positive it will resolve itself before I get Conroe anyway ;) My current "Conroe Ready" main system ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mako88
http://s150233688.onlinehome.us/system.jpg
It's a little disconcerting reading these stories about problems with the ram/tank guys as I am dealing with a similar issue. I ordered 2x1gb of the DDR 667 3-4-4-8 ram and recieved it almost two weeks ago now. As I pulled the clamshell container out of the box I noticed a rattle which turned out to be three resistors which had been snapped off one of the sticks. How this could have happened in shipping is beyond me and I'm not willing to fry hardware to see if the other stick was salvagable so I requested an rma with prepaid shipping. Tankguys mailed me a ground shipping label and I promptly sent the sticks back. Since then I've heard nothing concerning my status. Given my experience I would expect Team/Tank Guys to replace my sticks with the new 3-3-3-8 sticks. Is this a reasonable expectation? I'll keep everyone posted on the situation.
My box came from San Jose, which is only 6 hrs from where i live. The box was packed tight, so no damage. Only took several days for the package to arrive to boot. Odd that you guys had long shipping delays and one incurring damage. I hope it all works out for you. This is great ram for the price.
OPB sent my sticks by USPS to the UK, and they had absolutley no damage. I can only guess that you were unlucky. I reckon they will fulfill any problems, they do not strike me as a micky mouse organisation.
Re: Everyone having problems
Yes, I am EXTREMELY sorry about that. Unfortunately, I was on vacation for a week, and that's when these issues happened. I am extremely sorry for the issues with this.
As Mako88 mentions, we are completely sold out of that original 3-4-4-8 stuff. There is absolutely no way now that I can get more... so that puts us all in a big pickle.
As such, here are the options that I've come up with:
1- You can return the 3-4-4-8 kit, at our expense, and get a full refund, including shipping.
2- We can do a free exchange to the newer 3-3-3-8 kits once they arrive in stock.
Those seem to be the best solutions I can come up with. If you have any other ides, I'm all ears - I want to make sure you guys get the most equitable solution to this as possible. Again, I'm really sorry for the screw up here, in the future I will take greater precautions to make sure things run better when I go on vacation.
I'd feel like to explain and urge others to put their shoes in TankGuys' shoes. I read a story of someone who paid for 2 sets and only received 1 set, because:
1. He wanted to get his mobo and the ram together and mobo wasn't available at the time.
2. TankGuys didn't hold a set for him and now it's OOS.
First of all, regarding #1, I urge others not to wait for combined shipping, especially if there is no shipping extra accompanying it. (And chances are there would be no extra shipping if the merchant couldn't ship goods for one shipment because they're OOS) Not all etailers have one big warehouse of their own. They could have multiple warehouses, and stuff might need to be drop-shipped from a wholesaler or even a manufacturer. How many times we see arseholes like HP/Dell screw us off with their inventory? They don't even apologize or nothing. Some of us might remember the BFG 7900GTX fiasco cause by Dell. They basically listed it for $350 (when no one really had it, and few who had it listed it for $550~$600). I ordered one when their page showed "in stock", then a week later I got a delay e-mail, another one 2 weeks later, and another one 2 weeks later, etc. They basically delayed the order forever (even 2 months later when everyone had it for like $500) until everyone gave up.
And #2. If Tankguys indeed charged for the 2nd set, they should have reserved it for the customer, yes. Theoretically they should charge when/after they ship. I hope the issue will be resolved to each other's satisfaction. One thing to remember though, there is a dilemma on the merchant's side - until/without the goods being shipped, the customer can cancel the order. With market being volatic, supply/demand can change any time and sometimes a small guy like TankGuys might not be able to afford to hold goods forever, even if the payment had been made. If the customer cancels the order and there happens to be no demand for the product afterwards, that means extra inventory and their loss.
So don't wait. Get your stuff when it's available. This is by no means a blame or flame on you, but a friendly advice from my past experiences. :)
P.S. Ben, could you PM me regarding my Conroe pre-order? :D
Edit: Oh while I'm writing TankGuys stood up. I'm glad to see that and hope everybody will be happy now.
Tank Guys comes through again! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by TankGuys
Very nice, thanks Ben. Going with option 2. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TankGuys
wow ! kickass memory :eek:
:woot:
the only problem is that the 3-3-3-8 memory is much more expensive.
For some reason the second time I put the memory in the HP it works just fine. It can pretty much take any timing setting I throw at it running PC2-3200 speeds too ;) It even took 2-2-2-6.
never mind
Thats my dilema as well. :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by BottomsUp
And Tankguys, any idea when the new 3-3-3-8 version will be arriving?
As crazy as it may seem, I am still a little confused as to the 3-4-4-8 memory situation
1. On the TankGuys website, it says that they have 2x512MB DDR2-667 in stock. Is this a mistake ?
2. Does the 2x512MB kits have the same D9 chips as the 2x1G kits ?
3. Will there be 2x512MB 3-3-3-8 kits made or sent ?
Thanks :)
Wow- I've been eyeing this thread like the ass of a hot chick! Very impressed, count me in on the fun when e6600's are available. Probably get the ram (TG) and the cpu from the same place if ya know what I mean.:hrhr:
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Originally Posted by Direwolf
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...wpost&t=108287
:eek:
everyone has been talking about the 1gb sticks, so if it says it's in stock, it probably is and yes they are the same chips, just single sided sticks on 512 vs double sided on 1gb and lastly I don't knowQuote:
Originally Posted by wa77ss
1 - as far as I know, the 2 x 512's are still around. We're just sold out of the 2 x 1 Gb versions. I'll check for sure though.Quote:
Originally Posted by wa77ss
2 - Yes, they use the same chips.
3 - That I'm not sure about, I haven't heard from Team yet on that.
Finally, for those wondering, the new 3-3-3-8 kits should be available on the 28th or 29th. They are already listed on our site, and could be "pre-ordered" anytime :)
I wonder is the DDR2 800 4-4-4-10 (2 x 1G) RAM using the same chip as the DDR2 667 3-4-4-8 ? :(
I think all of Team Group's DDR2 kits use D9GMH.
Thanks for clearing that up for me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TankGuys
After seeing this thread last week , I could not resist and bought 2X1gb 3-4-4-8 from TankGuys. The thing unbelievable is that I ordered it last Thursday and got it this morining!!!1 The thing is that I live in Canada and I took normally like 10 working days to get stuff from USA! Really happy for the fast shipping TankGuys! :toast: Other thing, there was no duties?!? :confused:
The bad thing in this story is that I don't have a DDR-2 board to test it! I was really thinking that it would take time and by that time Conroe will show up....
Will post results later (really later!)
same here, really fast shipping :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charloz24
need a mobo ?
Some people get hit with taxes, some don't. I actually have no idea why that is :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Charloz24
It shows the teamgroup 667 3-3-3-8 ram on back-order. These coming in on the 28/29th?Quote:
Originally Posted by TankGuys
Question:Answer:Quote:
Originally Posted by OV3RCLOCK3R
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Originally Posted by TankGuys
:D
**Dbl Post** Sorry :(
so they are 240 bucks... bah poo on that lol.
sorry im still peeved that the website screwed me out of my order.
Today I ordered a 1G (512MB * 2 - 667MHz) 3-4-4-8 kit from TankGuys. Should be a good time once they get here, cant wait !!! :)
Thanks TankGuys/TeamGroup :):)
Let us know how it does. I'm sure it will be about the same, but it will be interesting to see if there are any major differences.
Yup! And a Conroe too....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
I did the same :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by wa77ss
So has anyone gotten an early sample / testing for the 2x1GB 3-3-3-8 sticks?
What do you think the chances of those sticks doing 800MHz @ 3-3-3-8 on 2.15v?
I don't know for sure, but that really wouldn't surprise me. Many people pushed the 3-4-4-8 sticks up to 1000mhz at pretty tight timings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
I imagine OPB will make a thread about the new sticks - or at least post some test results here. I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine he will.
wow quick response :PQuote:
Originally Posted by TankGuys
The max I can run my memory is at is exactly 800MHz due to my mobo. Its an Aopen i975x-ydg, and it only has options for a 3:4 and 3:5 divider. Since my Yonah maxes out at 241FSB, I can use the 667MHz (3:5) divider, which would bump it to 800MHz~. So ideally I would like the tightest timings at this speed
Looking forward to OPB writeup or update to this thread :)
my 3-4-4-8 2gb kit is doing 800mhz with 3-3-3-x with 2.2v on my bad axe in the 1066 strap, so I'd imagine the 3-3-3-8 kit doing that without issues
I just got my sticks... no heatspreaders? I mean, I'd honestly rather NOT have them, but still, all the images and everyone's I've seen has heatspreaders! It still has the official seals and stickers and all. What does this mean?
if you look at the start of the thread, most of the sticks don't have the heatspreaders. better cooling:banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewZorn
OK thanks... and yeah, I've never preferred them. They do look cooler... kind of... but don't cool better.
I'd rather not have them
OPB's Signature is worth more than the heatspreaders.
I can run 238 FSB, and They will not really do CAS 3 @ that speed on just 2.15v.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramen
I could run ~770 with cas3 on 2.15v.
If your board is voltmodded they will do that fine.
I can run 3-2-1-0 @ 350 mhz.
Keep in mind that I run 4gb, not 2 :)
Finally tried out these sticks and it seems stick #2 is bad. Tried booting soley with stick #1 and it booted perfectly, wont even post with #2 in the system.
With 2.2V, I'd say DDR2-800 @3-3-3 is 100% guarranteed. I've put a small fan blowing air off the sticks and tried 2.4V, and got the following. :D
<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/8666/ddr21080bfr2.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></a>
For some reason, I can't go higher than 550MHz (DDR2-1100) even with 5-5-5. Well, it does boot but not stable for 32M. Any idea? Is there something I have to look in the BIOS? (P5W-DH)
P.S. TankGuys, I wanted to ask you about E6300s and E6400s via PMs. Are you expecting them at the same time you get E6600s/E6700s? Or later time?
I'm also very interested in that as well :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by lopri
I wish I could give more useful information, but here's all I have:
We have a ton of these chips on order, all in the same order, with multiple "copies" of said order placed with 4 of the biggest distributors. That is to say, I have redundant orders placed, so that no matter which of the 4 gets them in first, we're covered.
That's all I know :( I have no ETA from them, I don't know if all the chips from the order will ship at the same time, or even from the same location. We may get them all on the same day, or they may trickle in over a week or two. This is all stuff I'm not sure about, nor do we have any control over it. So it's a guessing game at this point, unfortunately. We've done everything we can to ensure we get them - now it's up to the supply chain :D
Oh it's not a question about ETA. As we know, there were some leacked X6800s on sale in the past weeks. There is a rumour that Intel will ship E6600s/E6700s first, then maybe a few weeks later E6300s/E6400s. I am curious how valid this rumour is.
Oh yea, I get what you mean. I'm not sure about that either, but I'll check with my people tomorrow and see what I can scare you for you :)
I hope they all ship equally or ill be forced to get a e6600 :nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by TankGuys
Got my goodies today :) Thank you OPB!
http://pics.pajper.net/Mems/tg-small.jpg
WHOA! :eek: Is that already for sale? :D Gotta get that one and beat the living :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: of my E6600 :D LOL :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NiCKE^
I like the OPB sticker. Are there any other differences between the sticks? I can't see any.
Only difference is OPB sticker and different rating :)
Werent these 187 before? Any plan for price to drop down soon? Cause I have these babies just sitting in cart waiting to be ordered in second window..
The ddr2 1000 version of these sticks are also there for a few bucks more, is it worth it?
They were, but are no longer made or available. I just left them visible due to all the inbound links, so people weren't just sent to never-never land. I also raised the price to $99,999.99 so people would stop trying to order it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Batman!
The 3-3-3-8 stuff is more expensive, but it's also better, so it's a trade off.
:eek: $99,999.99 for 2GB of DDR2 :eek: hahah :p: Those 3-3-3-8 sticks are looking good right now. Wish i had some more money :mad:
DDR2-800 3-3-3? 100% guaranteed? BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by lopri
1) OCing is absolutely not guaranteed. You have a nice set of sticks, don't get people's hopes too high.
2) My first DDR2-800 4-4-4 kit (the one that's binned tighter than the DDR2-667 3-3-3 kit) had one stick DOA and the other utterly unstable at 370 3-3-3-10 at 2.2V.
3) We'll see how the new stick does when I get it back from RMA (btw, Team has a great RMA service), but since the one stick can't do much past rated speeds, it won't make a difference anyway....
Point is, DDR2-800 3-3-3 is absolutely not a guarantee.
If someone clicks buy I'd go out of my way to get a set for them if I were you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TankGuys
I'll send them mine for half the price. It's a one day sale!Quote:
Originally Posted by ewitte
OK I'm finally at the point of using these sticks.
I tried DDR2-740 at 2.0v 3-4-4-8(-4) and it wasn't stable enough to get all the way into Windows...
Anybody have 'the skinny' on some known-good voltage/speed/timings combos? Also like DDR2-800 is my best bet with this 805, so really I'm just trying to get it there.
see if 2.2v helpQuote:
Originally Posted by AndrewZorn
i dont have a fan on these or anything
2.2v is nothing extreme without active coolingQuote:
Originally Posted by AndrewZorn
4-3-3-4 @ 2.15v 4GB running good here. Try that instead ;)
Forgot to mention PC6400 DDR2-800 hehe.
A little update with my 4GB run
http://pics.pajper.net/16m-500mhz-2.jpg
OK I tried as high as 2.1v (for now) and still no DDR2-760. I must be doing something wrong...
What do you guys use as the 5th timing (after 3,4,4,8)?
My FSB is 190 and I'm choosing the one that gives me 760.
I use the 12 cause it gives me the best performance.
i think its only 3-8...
Using 5 there I believe.
I left the 5th timing default (4)
i'll try 5 and see if it improve my overclock
So 2.15v is OK for 24/7 without cooling?
It's priming right now... furthest I've got so far...
Is this a normal voltage requirement for not even DDR2-800?
EDIT and I'm correct when the only things I see to 'tweak' the max here is the X-X-X-X(-X), the voltage, and the divider?
2.3-2.4v should be safe as a 24-7 voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewZorn
2.5 is pushing it though...
There is a gain around 2.2.-2.3v, thats what it will prolly take to get 800mhz cas3
oh ok so 2.15 for 760 cas3 is normal thenQuote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
i might try 2.2 for 3-3-3-8(-4)
sorry, first time DDR2 user, i know nothing
This new teamgroup stuff looks amazing for the money. I can't wait to get my badaxe system together which I hope to build around a conroe and set of these new sticks!
3-4-4-8 are discontinued, now i have to spen 50 more dollars to the the 3-3-3-8 :(
OK some more questions:
Hyper Path 3: Auto or Enabled or Disabled : Something about bandwidth
DRAM Thermal Threshold: Auto or Disabled : It just said "improves stability" so I left it on auto
Also what is "Turbo Mode"? Setting it to Turbo instead of Auto didn't do anything for my Super Pi time. Perhaps Auto IS Turbo? Should I disable it?
So which would be the smarter purchase for an E6600 rig? the 3-3-3-8 667MHz or the 4-4-4-10 800 MHz?
both use the same chips and have the same performance.... its up to you..
turn off hyper path
turn off hyper path always turn off hyper path.
that will adjust the latency of your ram in a bad way.
if you open cpu-z and start pi or SP2004, you will see your ram latency go from ,, lets say 4-4-4- to 5-5-5- and then stop the program and it will go back to 4-4-4
disable thermal threshold
turbo and stuff bah just leave it on auto or disable, i forget which is the default setting.
i havent seen it adjust my latencies...
and default is 'auto', and 'standard' is faster, and 'turbo' is fastest and that is what mine is set on. not causing instability...
Don't be too hype or you gonna be disappointed
Team group from beginning to now ONLY has D9GMH
Does this mean the next shipment will be D9GMH also?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
YES.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkandlong