The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

why? skew doesnt do anything for bandwidth. if you were stable before (superpi is not a stability test...) then what is the point? it becomes useful when you ram has hit a wall and you want to go a bit faster. tony explained this very clearly.

shouldnt 475 fsb be netting better bandwidth results? what is your common performance level?

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Common performance level 7. I haven't tweaked any timings yet, but I think 9800 MB/s is pretty good......
I set the skew to 300ps for added stability. I may remove it, but it didn't seem to affect my bandwidth or latency negatively.

I also enabled the pull off for channel A phase 1. I couldn't POST with phase 2 enabled......
I tried enabling the last phase and I could POST, but I didnt' notice a difference in bandwidth (must be the nature of the settings.) I still have to fully read the explanation of the phase setting in that Anandtech article.
I wonder if they must be set sequentially....


FYI SuperPi 32M is an excellent way to quickly test memory stability. It will kick out an error much faster than Orthos/Everest/Prime95 blended. Usually unstable memory OCs (on already stable CPU OCs) will error within 1 minute of 32M SuperPi.

However after I tested performance and done 32M on each group of settings I'll run Everest system stress for 4 hours and HCI Memtest for 6-8 hours

I still may try for 3.9-4.0, but I don't know if I will be comfortable with the voltage required. My VID is a bit higher than yours. You should be happy with that G0!
BTW, what sort of bandwidth do you get? What OS?

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Originally Posted by binormalkilla

Common performance level 7. I haven't tweaked any timings yet, but I think 9800 MB/s is pretty good......
I set the skew to 300ps for added stability. I may remove it, but it didn't seem to affect my bandwidth or latency negatively.

I also enabled the pull off for channel A phase 1. I couldn't POST with phase 2 enabled......
I tried enabling the last phase and I could POST, but I didnt' notice a difference in bandwidth (must be the nature of the settings.) I still have to fully read the explanation of the phase setting in that Anandtech article.
I wonder if they must be set sequentially....


FYI SuperPi 32M is an excellent way to quickly test memory stability. It will kick out an error much faster than Orthos/Everest/Prime95 blended. Usually unstable memory OCs (on already stable CPU OCs) will error within 1 minute of 32M SuperPi.

However after I tested performance and done 32M on each group of settings I'll run Everest system stress for 4 hours and HCI Memtest for 6-8 hours

I still may try for 3.9-4.0, but I don't know if I will be comfortable with the voltage required. My VID is a bit higher than yours. You should be happy with that G0!
BTW, what sort of bandwidth do you get? What OS?

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http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...76/binorma.jpg

24/7 settings. at 480fsb my cpu gives out so perhaps your g0 is better than mine? man i need a phase unit...

im not sure how well everest stress test actually stresses the system. the standard is pretty much prime95 for cpu and memtest for ram.

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...76/binorma.jpg

24/7 settings. at 480fsb my cpu gives out so perhaps your g0 is better than mine? man i need a phase unit...

im not sure how well everest stress test actually stresses the system. the standard is pretty much prime95 for cpu and memtest for ram.

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Yea I use prime sometimes too. The reason that I live EVerest so much is because you can get max/min/average temps over the time period, and it stresses the CPU to the max. It doesn't use all of the RAM, but then again neither does Prime95.
I don't use bootable memtest because it's really weak at detecting errors.....really only finds severely unstable settings. I've compared the HCI memtest with bootable and found HCI to be much better, but that's just IMO.
I actually had a kit of DDR that passed for 12 hours in Memtest x86 iso, but I had BSODs from them. As soon as I tested with Orthos blended, instant fail.

Excellent bandwidth results though. WHat sort of timings are you running? YOu can display them in everest by going to motherboard, then chipset.

While I was waiting for my board "RMA", I had to use my wife's computer. 19" LCD was unsatisfactory, so now she has 22+19. That in addition to my 24+19 means this: PICTURE. The reason this is on topic is because it has to do with... um. Yes, I would like another martini, thank you.

haha, nice. BTW what's up man? I frequent OCN. It's my favorite forum by far. My fiance thought it was crazy to put pics from the inside of my case as my desktop background.....LOL. You like to see your work though, eh?

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Originally Posted by binormalkilla

haha, nice. BTW what's up man? I frequent OCN. It's my favorite forum by far. My fiance thought it was crazy to put pics from the inside of my case as my desktop background.....LOL. You like to see your work though, eh?

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Heh, thanks. Good to see you too.

Those pictures are not my BG. I rigged that for the shot. I am a (recreational) pilot and ammeter aviation photographer, so our backgrounds are usually shots I take FROM an aircraft, OF an aircraft, or A Combination of Neither. Full size upon request.

If you haven't already, you will need to explain to your fiancee the outlay necessary to maintain our computer hobbies! My wife is only just now starting to understand after almost five years!!!

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Originally Posted by Dostoyevsky77

Heh, thanks. Good to see you too.

Those pictures are not my BG. I rigged that for the shot. I am a (recreational) pilot and ammeter aviation photographer, so our backgrounds are usually shots I take FROM an aircraft, OF an aircraft, or A Combination of Neither. Full size upon request.

If you haven't already, you will need to explain to your fiancee the outlay necessary to maintain our computer hobbies! My wife is only just now starting to understand after almost five years!!!

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LOL yea she definitely respects my interest in PCs, as it pays the bills :p

All i can say to you guys is: wow!

Dostoyevsky, living your dream? :clap: Amazing photos btw!

I hope some day hardware will pay our bills too :up:

Till then,

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Originally Posted by Dostoyevsky77

If you haven't already, you will need to explain to your fiancee the outlay necessary to maintain our computer hobbies! My wife is only just now starting to understand after almost five years!!!

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...mind sharing what you said to her? It's been almost 8 years now and I haven't come up with such an explanation (lie?). :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

I hear you there. It only takes an extra 15 secs. to clear out caps of stored energy.

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Yes that's exactly what i mean, you can never be too cautious with these things. Think about the possible amount of time you waste if there's errors caused by old data in cmos and you just keep banging your head against the wall... Happened to me :)

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

So is it so then, BETA BIOS v1006 cannot be flashed with any version of Afudos? I was told by many ASUS BETA testers not to use Live Update cause of some sort of curruption like in 907. Somebody confirm?

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Yes i read that on asus forums too, after flashing it with asus update :D It worked for me, flawlessly (but i only tested it for a day or less) but oblviously i wouldn't do it again, better believe beta testers. Actually i didn't even try maximus bios -> MF1006 with Afudos, i only know that rampage -> MF1006 won't work. I don't know why i flashed in windows, i guess i got bored by flashing in dos :) Of course it's always better to flash in dos if possible.

Unfortunately i didn't know about S3 issues in MF1004, otherwise i would have testet it in MF1006. Actually i asked you about it but didn't get an answer :p: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=4729

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Originally Posted by binormalkilla

All right I changed the skew to 300ps on both channels, same timings, stable 32M.

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Do you mean delayed skew?

I know it was mentioned somewhere in our forum, but I cant find it again. What Windows based app, not DOS, can display the RAM sub timings, mainly the trd so mentioned in here? Speaking only of MF BIOS, can can the 2x 2gb OCZ FLEX II or likewise from corsiar, be tweaked in MF BIOS if following same timings as Tony earlier mentioned, without the skew and specific trd? I tested mine with added NB v to 1.55 and it felt more sluggish and only got hotter, I reverted back to 1.52v. This is on my E6750 rig, the Q6600 only needed 1.53 max but also does OK on 1.52 w/ 2x 1gb RAM on the 5:6.

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Originally Posted by Brama

Do you mean delayed skew?

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I think he advanced it, as Tony did in his miniguide.

Every day i get more convinced that this board is like women, i'm glad i've learned to be patient with them...

I got blue screen randomly when window is loading. Prime 95 stable 8 hrs small FFT and blend, memory test pass 2 hrs no problems.
What is the problem here ???
Anyone experience same thing ??

setting
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Auto
CPU Ratio Setting : 9
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
FSB Frequency : 455
PCIE Frequency : 110
DRAM Frequency : DDR2-1093
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A : Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B : Auto
DRAM Timing Control : Manual
Cas# Latency : 5
Ras# to Cas# Delay : 5
Ras# Pre Time : 5
Ras# Act Time : 15
Sub-Timing [3-35-6-3] [8-3-5-4-6-4-6] [14-5-1-5-5]
DRAM Stactic Read Control : Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Ai Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level : 07
Pull-In of CHA : (all Disabled)
CPU Voltage : 1.406
CPU PLL Voltage : Auto
North Bridge Voltage : 1.57
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.46
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.50
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Voltage Reference : 0.63x
NB GTL Voltage Reference : 0.67x
DRAM Controller Voltage REF : DDR2_REF +10mv
DRAM Channel A Voltage REF : DDR2_REF +10mv
DRAM Channel B Voltage REF : DDR2_REF +10mv
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

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Originally Posted by icecpu

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Auto
CPU Ratio Setting : 9
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
FSB Frequency : 455
PCIE Frequency : 110
DRAM Frequency : DDR2-1093
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A : Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B : Auto
DRAM Timing Control : Manual
Cas# Latency : 5
Ras# to Cas# Delay : 5
Ras# Pre Time : 5
Ras# Act Time : 15
Sub-Timing [3-35-6-3] [8-3-5-4-6-4-6] [14-5-1-5-5]
DRAM Stactic Read Control : Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Ai Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level : 07
Pull-In of CHA : (all Disabled)
CPU Voltage : 1.406
CPU PLL Voltage : Auto
North Bridge Voltage : 1.57
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.46
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.50
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Voltage Reference : 0.63x
NB GTL Voltage Reference : 0.67x
DRAM Controller Voltage REF : DDR2_REF +10mv
DRAM Channel A Voltage REF : DDR2_REF +10mv
DRAM Channel B Voltage REF : DDR2_REF +10mv
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=4744

If i set my Crucial sticks to either of these settings will they work properly?
Mine are unstable [haven't done memtest - just in general - eg unable to install Crysis, blend Prime fails when small doesn't etc]
OR
If someone has my sticks [Crucial Ballistix 6400 2gb 4-4-4-12] can they give em a set of settings - as auto still doesn't work [see above paragraph]

EDIT: For the guy above me - What BSOD? [ERROR CODE 0x00000xxx or any particular files?]

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Originally Posted by icecpu

I got blue screen randomly when window is loading. Prime 95 stable 8 hrs small FFT and blend, memory test pass 2 hrs no problems.
What is the problem here ???
Anyone experience same thing ??

setting
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Auto
CPU Ratio Setting : 9
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
FSB Frequency : 455
PCIE Frequency : 110
DRAM Frequency : DDR2-1093
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A : Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B : Auto
DRAM Timing Control : Manual
Cas# Latency : 5
Ras# to Cas# Delay : 5
Ras# Pre Time : 5
Ras# Act Time : 15
Sub-Timing [3-35-6-3] [8-3-5-4-6-4-6] [14-5-1-5-5]
DRAM Stactic Read Control : Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Ai Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level : 07
Pull-In of CHA : (all Disabled)
CPU Voltage : 1.406
CPU PLL Voltage : Auto
North Bridge Voltage : 1.57
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.46
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.50
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Voltage Reference : 0.63x
NB GTL Voltage Reference : 0.67x
DRAM Controller Voltage REF : DDR2_REF +10mv
DRAM Channel A Voltage REF : DDR2_REF +10mv
DRAM Channel B Voltage REF : DDR2_REF +10mv
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

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I had some issues with getting stable OC, random blues and no post at all sometimes. I'm pretty sure it was the ram and timings. I eventually got stable with the settings bellow, with the maximus I found leaving as much as possible on auto worked the best. But I also think this mobo is very fussy with ram and in particular with the Ballistixs.
My Bios v1004 Settings

Ai Overclock Tuner: [Manual]
OC From CPU Level Up: [Auto]
CPU Ratio Control: [9]
FSB Frequency: [400]
FSB Strap to North Bridge: [400M]
PCIE Frequency: [100]
DRAM Frequency: [800]
DRAM Command Rate: [2T]
DRAM Timing Control: [Manual]
CAS# Latency: [5]
RAS# to CAS Delay: [5]
RAS# Precharge: [5]
RAS# Active Time: [15]
RAS# To Ras# Delay: [Auto]
Row Refresh Cycle Time: [Auto]
Write Recovery Time: [Auto]
Read To Precharge Time: [Auto]
Read To Write Delay(S/D): [Auto]
Write To Read Delay(S): [Auto]
Write To Read Delay(D): [Auto]
Read To Read Delay(S): [Auto]
Read To Read Delay(D): [Auto]
Write To Write Delay(S): [Auto]
Write To Write Delay(D): [Auto]
DRAM Static Read Control: [Disabled]
Ai Clock Twister: [Auto]
Transaction Booster: [Auto]
Boost Level: [0]
CPU Voltage: [1.4500v]
CPU PLL Voltage: [1.6v]
North Bridge Voltage: [1.59v]
DRAM Voltage: [2.20v]
FSB Termination Voltage: [1.5v]
South Bridge Voltage: [1.150v]
Loadline Calibration: [Enabled]
CPU GTL Reference: [0.63x]
North Bridge GTL Reference: [0.67x]
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage: [Auto]
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage: [Auto]
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage: [Auto]
SB 1.5V Voltage: [Auto]
NB LED Selection: NB Volt
SB LED Selection: SB Volt
CPU LED Selection: CPU Volt
Voltimeter LED: Disabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

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Originally Posted by beard

...mind sharing what you said to her? It's been almost 8 years now and I haven't come up with such an explanation (lie?). :rolleyes:[/url]

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"We have already invested $X0,000 into [this/these] system(s). Unless we regularly maintain that investment, it will be the equivalent of flushing that money down the toilet".

The initial justification is harder, but it should go something like this: "I am going to the strip club with the guys unless you can think of a reason why I should stay home".

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

if you'd botherd to research b4 making comments you would know that CRUCIAL SAID IT.

Engineers at Crucial have invalidated the compatibility listing for X38/48 boards. As of 3/7/2008 Crucial no longer lists X38/48 as a compatible chipset for their DDR2 800 and DDR2 1066 sticks of Ballistix Tracers.

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Grnfinger I'm interested to know how you came accross this information.
I'm also a member of 'ocforums' and your name and comments are linked on my thread (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.p...07#post5589307). I'd like to know if there is proof to your statements, as I've been having issues with my sticks and do not plan to RMA them again.

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Originally Posted by Dostoyevsky77

"We have already invested $X0,000 into [this/these] system(s). Unless we regularly maintain that investment, it will be the equivalent of flushing that money down the toilet".

The initial justification is harder, but it should go something like this: "I am going to the strip club with the guys unless you can think of a reason why I should stay home".

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:rofl: thanks, i'll try those :up:

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Originally Posted by beard

:rofl: thanks, i'll try those :up:

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beard, just interested to know how are you finding the 'black dragons' on the maximus, and what timmings are you using?
I've had lots of issues with the ballistixs and I'm waiting for the RMA. Once I get the new ones I'll try again and if they give me the same problems again, I'll toss them and try another brand...

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Originally Posted by masska

beard, just interested to know how are you finding the 'black dragons' on the maximus, and what timmings are you using?

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Well, i must admit i'm not quite sure. They do ok @ approx. 1120, with auto timings, 5-5-5-18... Unfortunately i have to go no, will write more later. Here, spyrus (he's like pro in ram things) has maximus and geils http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=178828

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Originally Posted by masska

Grnfinger I'm interested to know how you came accross this information.
I'm also a member of 'ocforums' and your name and comments are linked on my thread (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.p...07#post5589307). I'd like to know if there is proof to your statements, as I've been having issues with my sticks and do not plan to RMA them again.

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The information originally comes from http://www.blazingpc.com/forum/showt...830/index.html

After searching the Crucial site myself I was unable to confirm this.
So seeing as I might have posted false information I called Crucial myself.
The only ram compatible with Maximus Formula is PC5300
This problem with ram dying prematurely has been ongoing since the board came out.

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Originally Posted by beard

Well, i must admit i'm not quite sure. They do ok @ approx. 1120, with auto timings, 5-5-5-18... Unfortunately i have to go no, will write more later. Here, spyrus (he's like pro in ram things) has maximus and geils http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=178828

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I have a set of Geil Evo 1gb x 2gb DDR2 8500 and they won't boot in this board faster than DDR2 800

. Here is my kit number GE22gb1066c5DC

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

The information originally comes from http://www.blazingpc.com/forum/showt...830/index.html

After searching the Crucial site myself I was unable to confirm this.
So seeing as I might have posted false information I called Crucial myself.
The only ram compatible with Maximus Formula is PC5300
This problem with ram dying prematurely has been ongoing since the board came out.

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http://www.crucial.com/store/listpar...herboards&cat=

does not list Ballistix DDr2 8500 as compatable does anyone know of some ram that is for the love of God

This right here is why you get a Maximus... :D

8x533, PL9 (no advanced ram tweaks), 4x2GB G.Skill 1000, 2.0v.

And this is why you should buy a rampage ... :D

PL is 9 with CL5 memories ... and i can also use 8 when running at CL4.
Of course it can do more in my cascade . I have done tests at 590+ 3dstable . Spi can run much higher . :)

This board has killed 4 sets (8GB) of Ballistix PC8500 since January, and that was running at stock voltages! Although I've been a big Ballistix fangirl for many years, I've finally resorted to trying other sticks in my MF/RF rigs.

Kingston HyperX PC8500 does 485 reliably and 505 with occasional BSODs, but I'm still searching for something else that will give me consistent performance and reliability.

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Originally Posted by Stelios

And this is why you should buy a rampage ... :D

PL is 9 with CL5 memories ... and i can also use 8 when running at CL4.
Of course it can do more in my cascade . I have done tests at 590+ 3dstable . Spi can run much higher . :)

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:shocked: still very nice. I have read the MF/RF overvolts the ram Everest says it overvolts by .04v is this correct?

Mine was even 0.08 as I needed to set 1.92 to get 2.0... ( all taking into account if we trust the readouts of the bios ) PLL voltage overvolted on my board with 1.2, FSB Termination voltage undervolted with 0.07

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Originally Posted by trt740

:shocked: still very nice. I have read the MF/RF overvolts the ram Everest says it overvolts by .04v is this correct?

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My Maximus extreme (ddr3) was overvolting vdimm about 0.07 . I don't know about Maximus Formula though .
Now , the Rampage formula (original & not modded rampage) overvolts about 0.02-0.04v

mine overvolts ram by .09

why the hell is there such a variance of over-volt?!?!?

my ambiant air is rather warm today 25c but the temps are not to bad considering , once the AC is back up and running temps should be nice and low.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...inger/3800.jpg

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1133
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 30
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6

Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [7]

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.46
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
North Bridge Voltage : 1.53
DRAM Voltage : 2.12
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

Not much of a difference running PL6

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...finger/pl6.png

try for PL5 next

grnfinger, looks like you got your temps under control :-) good to see. i had problems getting pl5 w/o cas4 just fyi... actually i cant get pl5 without cas4. also i found that just clocking my ram up to 1200mhz resulted in nearly the same bandwidth @ pl6 but with slightly worse latency. you running just the pa120.3 or both rads? it seems that the voltage required and temps are pretty much EXACTLY what my cpu does.

Just got the pa120.3 in at the moment, temps are decent now, even better when the AC is back up:up:
No room for a internal rad so I cant run dual, wife gave me the "look" when I suggested a new Mountain Mods case.
I'll have to get her drunk and try again
PL5 was a no post "det dram" hang, going to play with timing and see what I can squeeze out of 1133MHz PL6, if I can get Latency unde 50.0 I will be happy, odd thing is if I set FSB 450 and 8 multi the box wont boot I get
"USB OVER VOLT" computer will restart in 15 seconds....... any ideas on this?

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Just got the pa120.3 in at the moment, temps are decent now, even better when the AC is back up:up:
No room for a internal rad so I cant run dual, wife gave me the "look" when I suggested a new Mountain Mods case.
I'll have to get her drunk and try again
PL5 was a no post "det dram" hang, going to play with timing and see what I can squeeze out of 1133MHz PL6, if I can get Latency unde 50.0 I will be happy, odd thing is if I set FSB 450 and 8 multi the box wont boot I get
"USB OVER VOLT" computer will restart in 15 seconds....... any ideas on this?

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71-72C still seems high for that voltage and ambient. Why not run the 2nd rad externally with a rad box??? ;)

Already doing that with my PA120.3 cant add another no place to hang it.
I have a Thermaltake Soprano case so room is not abundant

i guess the best thing to do is take off the rad box and start making a water-cooling mess that takes up way too much space. then the wife will suggest to YOU to get the case :D

temps are about right though, you will see another drop of about 4-5c when you add the other rad. try 437fsb which puts the ram at 1165 pl6 1.481v bios (1.464 after vdroop) i was still able to get decent temps and the boost should reduce your latency to 49.7 or so. 8 multi required 333 strap for me pl7 only and clock twister to auto.

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Originally Posted by WFO

71-72C still seems high for that voltage and ambient. Why not run the 2nd rad externally with a rad box??? ;)

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it seems grnfinger's and my cpu (sold grnfinger's cpu to him) run pretty much the exact same so i would say that the temps are spot on.

Thanks for the tip m8 :up:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...nfinger/40.png

priming the new clock shortly

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Thanks for the tip m8 :up:
priming the new clock shortly

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is this pl6 or 7? @ 6 i seem to have better results, but your timings are tighter :shrug:

this i am not understanding.

time to work on my gfx cards again... (has nothing to do with this, just fugger's ocz contest... check it out... PARTICIPATE because there is no better place that #1)

its at 7 with pull ins enabled, going to test PL6 pull ins disabled, I find running with them disabled I get better bandwidth.
I have a nice 3870x2 here but NO water block yet, still in transit I guess, should have had you ship it heh

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

its at 7 with pull ins enabled, going to test PL6 pull ins disabled, I find running with them disabled I get better bandwidth.
I have a nice 3870x2 here but NO water block yet, still in transit I guess, should have had you ship it heh

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interesting to see how this is going to turn out. i just ran 21988 3dmark06 5 min ago... i wonder what you are going to get with the waterblocks. but also im clocked up a bit right now :D

i think i need 1 or 2 more fsb for 22k on 7.12 drivers... or perhaps go to 7.11 drivers (but dragon test becomes unstable :( )

ive been holding out for the next gen of gpus from ati... i can wait though because nothing out there that has come out has been an "upgrade" so to speak :mad:

Curious as to what's the best OC with stock cooling people have been able to get out of the Q6600? I'm at 2994Mhz right now, no real tweaks in the settings, and it idles in the low 30's, low 40's under load.

RAM right now is my weak link (667 stuff)........ and I have not tried to take the CPU any higher than what it's at.

Trying to get my settings OCCT/Prime95 blended stable....I'm testing between 475x8 vs 423x9......trying to find that trade off between stability and performance.

What tRD pull-in settings are you guys running? I'm testing tRD 7 with the first phase enabled on channel A and B.....

Another thing:
Has anyone tested this value in conjunction with tighted tRD values?
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :
This basically increases the voltage (in 10 mV increments) to the MCH without increasing the voltage to the NB, right? I can't seem to find a good definition of this BIOS option.

All,
There is a new Rampage Formula bios on the ASUS FTP site:
401

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Originally Posted by EOD

All,
There is a new Rampage Formula bios on the ASUS FTP site:
401

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Very nice find:)

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Originally Posted by EOD

All,
There is a new Rampage Formula bios on the ASUS FTP site:
401

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Thank you sir! ANyone tried yet?

New Maximus Formula..... 1201

ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socke...ximus_Formula/

actual link:

ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socke...rmula-1201.zip

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Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

New Maximus Formula..... 1201

ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socke...ximus_Formula/

actual link:

ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socke...rmula-1201.zip

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Looks like the ASUS engineers have been busy. I'm going to wait to test the new Rampage until tomorrow.....

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...Capture-20.jpg

No real changes that I can see? Perhaps some 45nm clocking enhancements? I wont know until the Egg ships out my new X3350...

Great, that's exactly what I've being waiting for weeks.
Both 1201 and 0401 new bios are out for MF and RF respectively from the Asus FTP.
But I think I'll wait for Asus support site to upload the files with descriptions that states what changes have been made.
And please remember to share your results after flash to either new MF/RF bios.

Damn! Now I'm really torn... I flashed back to the Maximus waiting for BIOS updates, but now I'm feeling the urge to go back to the Rampage BIOS. I'm running 1201 right now, (seems to be running smooth, but then again I'm only running it at 4.2 GHz) but will probably flash back to the Rampage later this week.

Is S3/STR fixed in new BETA 1201? I can only guess it doesnt work in 1006 since nobody would confirm. Can 1201 be flashed w/ Afudos? If only MF BETA's how can I know what my mobo uses at 480 FSB v/s the 450? What Windows based app, not DOS can tell me this? Is it showing a big real world performance difference if say I get trd of maybe 8 @ 480 apposed to 7 @ 450. my E6750 can only do 8x to et 3.8 w/ DDR1204, but my Q6600 can go lower to 450x fot 4GHz but needs over 1.57v, so I'd like to use same 480x8 for the blend of clock, and RAM so I can keep DDR1200 and 3.8GHz.

So with these hacked Rampage BIOS, if we can force trd to say 6 or 7 but at FSB of 480 to 500, is the system any less stable now, or can it be balanced out to work, and where at? Where in real apps use will we see difference of trd from 7 to 8 or 9?

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

Is S3/STR fixed in new BETA 1201? I can only guess it doesnt work in 1006 since nobody would confirm. Can 1201 be flashed w/ Afudos? If only MF BETA's how can I know what my mobo uses at 480 FSB v/s the 450? What Windows based app, not DOS can tell me this? Is it showing a big real world performance difference if say I get trd of maybe 8 @ 480 apposed to 7 @ 450. my E6750 can only do 8x to et 3.8 w/ DDR1204, but my Q6600 can go lower to 450x fot 4GHz but needs over 1.57v, so I'd like to use same 480x8 for the blend of clock, and RAM so I can keep DDR1200 and 3.8GHz.

So with these hacked Rampage BIOS, if we can force trd to say 6 or 7 but at FSB of 480 to 500, is the system any less stable now, or can it be balanced out to work, and where at? Where in real apps use will we see difference of trd from 7 to 8 or 9?

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Does anyone even use S3 on their computer? I certainly dont.

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Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

Does anyone even use S3 on their computer? I certainly dont.

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Yup, been using it for years, every day, throughout the day if is't stable. and of corse that's what I OC for in the end is a real world trusted daily user.

Also, Since I may be moving to ATI for the quality in HD, & BD DVD and media editing, what brand names are known to be top notch since there's no more "built by ATI"? interested in staying in area of 512mb+ GDDR4, w/ HDMI out w/ audio.

Has anyone tried the new Rampage bios on a non-rampage board? - thinking of flashing to the new one but want to see that it's fine first

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

Also, Since I may be moving to ATI for the quality in HD, & BD DVD and media editing, what brand names are known to be top notch since there's no more "built by ATI"? interested in staying in area of 512mb+ GDDR4, w/ HDMI out w/ audio.

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My 2 Gecube HD3870s - standard version [not turbo version] have all that

i have a question about my e6600.
i get 450 x 8 stable, but when i get to 450 x 9 i didnt.
my setting in 1004 bios:
CPU Configuration

Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
OC From CPU Level Up [Auto]
CPU Ratio Control [Manual]
Ratio CMOS Setting [7x]
FSB Frequency [500MHz]
FSB Strap To North Bridge [Auto]*
PCIE Frequency [111]
DRAM Frequency [Auto]*

DRAM Timing Control [Manual]
Primary Info; 4-4-4-12-3-42-6-3
CAS# Latancy [4]
RAS# To CAS# Delay [4]
RAS# Precharge [4]
RAS# Active Time [12]
RAS# To RAS# Dlay [Auto]
Row Refresh Cycle Time [Auto]

Scondary Info; 8-3-5-4-6-4-6
Read To Write Dely(S/D) [Auto]
Write To Read Delay(S) [Auto]
Write To Read Delay(D) [Auto]
Read To Read(S) [Auto]
Read To Read(D) [Auto]
Write To Write Delay(S) [Auto]
Write To Write Delay(D) [Auto]

DRAM Static Read Control [Enabled]*
Ai Clock Twister [Moderate]*
Transaction Booster [Disabled]*
Relax Level [0]*
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CPU Voltage [1.3875v] = 1.368v
CPU PLL Voltage [1.50v = 1.616v
North Bridge Voltage [1.47v]
DRAM Voltage [2.14v] = 2.245v
FSB Termination Voltage [1.40v] = 1.472v
South Bridge Voltage [1.075v] = 1.104v
Loadline Calibration [Enabled]
CPU GTL Refference [0.63%]
North Bridge GTL Reference [0.63%]
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage [Auto]
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage [ Auto]
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage [Auto]
SB 1.5v Voltage [1.55v] = 1.584v

NB LED Selection [FSBT Volts]
SB LED Selection [SB 1.5 Selection]
CPU LED Selection [PLL Volts]

CPU Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
PCIE Spread Spectrum [Disabled]

i have tried even higher voltage till the maximum. i cant get over 410 x 9.
can someone help?
Everything is watercooled, tried different relax levels. I tried a cpu voltage of 1,5 V how high can i go??

CaseMD, add the info about your rig into your sig. It's very hard to help if the only info is that you have a maximus formula (EDIT: sorry read the edit in the end of my post).

You've tried higher voltage till max on what? I hope you're talking about nb, there isn't much else you can even consider trying max voltage on.

If you have a 45nm cpu like e8400, be careful, read the forums. I recommend searching for (warning) info about vcore, pll and vtt (called fsb termination on these boards) voltages. You can never be too cautious with these things :up:

I hope your cpu is not new and you know what's it's capable of, otherwise it's just obvious that it's a cpu issue - it does 500x7 (3500), 450x8 (3600) but not 450 x 9 (4050).

Don't keep everything overclocked, concentrate on one thing at a time. So change mem timings on auto (or just manually loosen it enough), pcie to 100mhz etc. Things like pcie are oc'd last - when everything else is stable. Btw, obviously you have good ram if it does cl4 @ ddr1000? It's the minimum @ fsb500 (and is set on auto).

I've been trying to find good settings wor a week, many hours a day. I'm getting really tired of it, something's not right, but i just have to do it, 1 thing at a time ;)

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Originally Posted by scottath

Has anyone tried the new Rampage bios on a non-rampage board? - thinking of flashing to the new one but want to see that it's fine first

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What do you mean by fine? Like if pc boots? I'm pretty sure it will :) Well i can be your guinea pig ;)

EDIT: Oh man i only now noticed you have an e6600. So, your e6600 hit 4+ ghz on some other board?

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What do you mean by fine? Like if pc boots? I'm pretty sure it will :) Well i can be your guinea pig ;)

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Thanks - basically what you said - does it work?:)

beard: Thanx for the answer.
My Rig: Max Form 1004 bios, asus 8800 gts (g80), Ram: a-data vitesta extreme edition 2gb DDR2-800CL4, 2 x RaptorX Raid 0 and a WD6400 AAKS.

Watercooled with: CPU: Aquacomputer Cuplex XT di, NB and SB Twinplex XT, MOSFET: 2 x EK waterblock, for the Raptors: Silentstar HD dual, for the 8800GTS i have a HEATKILLER® GPU-X² 8800.

I have an ANTEC Phantom 500w

Now for the settings:
The pcie is on 100 and losent my dram settings to 5-5-5-18. on 2.1 V

Maybe its just the E6600. Havent overclocked him till now. So its my first attempt for overclocking.
I have read the whole thread and i am aware of the possibility to fry my hardware.
on CPU my max. Voltage was 1.52, for PLL 1.6 Dram 2.1, FSB 1.46, SB 1.1, SB1.5 1.55.
on 8 x i get into windows till a fsb of 480 but didnt get it ooct stable.
i managed to get 9 x 410 fsb but also not stable in occt or orthos.
Northbridge: 1.49 V
i´m sorry for my bad english and noob questions but i am stuck here for 4 days now.

I have one of the first Maximus Formula SE as I bought it right after they got released, using the Rampage bios 0308 and overclocking isn't that much of an issue, however no bios can resolve my problem and it looks I have a :banana::banana::banana::banana: NorthBridge on my mb...

Basically I need to set 1.57V in bios (1.6V @ windows) for NB to get a stable overclock.

When I setup anything lower then 1.57 (1.6V) prime blend will fail, however on 1.50V I did prime small FFT's for 8h stable, just blend fails...

Is this a RMA candidate? Oh and under prime: SB 49C / NB 56C

My current settings:

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1080
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Auto
Transaction Booster : Auto

CPU Voltage : 1.28V (1.27 windows)
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5 (1.63)
North Bridge Voltage : 1.57 (1.6)
DRAM Voltage : 2.06 (2.16)
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.2 (1.23)
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050 (1.070)
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.87x
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.83x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2-REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2-REF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5 (1.54)

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled

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Originally Posted by CaseMD

i have a question about my e6600.
i get 450 x 8 stable, but when i get to 450 x 9 i didnt.
my setting in 1004 bios:
CPU Configuration

I have tried even higher voltage till the maximum. i cant get over 410 x 9.
can someone help?
Everything is watercooled, tried different relax levels. I tried a cpu voltage of 1,5 V how high can i go??

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Not many E6600 reached 4ghz mate or only at ridicilous voltages ( that would mean over 1.6volts ) not advised by me to run 24/7...

Have you tried running 425 x 9 ? to get to 3.8Ghz ? I would loosen ya ram timings and disable static read control... a bit more NB voltage and you should be ready to go ... 4ghz that's something else...

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Originally Posted by sesion

My current settings:


- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 450
CPU Voltage : 1.28V (1.27 windows)

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I Want your CPU - such low voltages - mine needs about 1.48v for 3.6 and it is a better than average chip - can you go 4ghz+?

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Originally Posted by scottath

Thanks - basically what you said - does it work?:)

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Np :) Yes, flashed it with afudos (rf0308->rf0401), works ok :) I think i'll stop flashing now for a while :D

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Originally Posted by scottath

I Want your CPU - such low voltages - mine needs about 1.48v for 3.6 and it is a better than average chip - can you go 4ghz+?

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No, I can't because the temperature is holding me off. I am running 3.6 Ghz rock stable at 1.27-1.28 (its jumping between those values @ windows cpu-z) and I get 57-62C (depending on the ambient temp)

Right now I am running prime for 50 minutes and the temp's are quite high @ 61-62C where ambient is around 23-25C :/

(using lapped true120)

NB is 95% of the time at 1.60V, sometimes jumps down to 1.58.... DRAM is between 2.16-2.18...
http://i25.tinypic.com/mkj3oh.jpg

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Originally Posted by sesion

I have one of the first Maximus Formula SE as I bought it right after they got released, using the Rampage bios 0308 and overclocking isn't that much of an issue, however no bios can resolve my problem and it looks I have a :banana::banana::banana::banana: NorthBridge on my mb...

Basically I need to set 1.57V in bios (1.6V @ windows) for NB to get a stable overclock.

When I setup anything lower then 1.57 (1.6V) prime blend will fail, however on 1.50V I did prime small FFT's for 8h stable, just blend fails...

Is this a RMA candidate? Oh and under prime: SB 49C / NB 56C

My current settings:

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 8
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333 --> what does AUTO give ya ?
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1080
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled --> Disable
Ai Clock Twister : Auto
Transaction Booster : Auto --> Disable releax level 0

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Also set TRFC to 55 in ram settings... are you actively cooling the NB, temps seem pretty high... put a fan over it...

don't see why you should RMA the board... you are overclocking a quad here ( nice volts on the CPU mate) and most here OC Wolfdales.. way easier on the NB... I needed 1.45 set with my Q6600 for 400FSB... NB was integrated in the WC loop...

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Originally Posted by beard

Np :) Yes, flashed it with afudos (rf0308->rf0401), works ok :) I think i'll stop flashing now for a while :D

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Thanks - i'll flash mine when i get a chance.


sesion: What fan are you using on your true? I lapped mine also but have 2 REALLY loud fans on it - Scythe Ultra Kaze and a Slipstream

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Originally Posted by CaseMD

Maybe its just the E6600. Havent overclocked him till now. So its my first attempt for overclocking.


i´m sorry for my bad english and noob questions but i am stuck here for 4 days now.

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Yes i see that you are aware of voltages, they all looked good. I also think it's your e6600, after all it's one of the first c2d's. Well it does at least 3600 - that's a decent oc.

I like this forum because native speakers are tolerant, they don't start laughing at us. Well i'm not far away from noob either, and i respect that you had the patience to read and try things first, only then you came here with your problem. Real noobs are like i want everything and i want it now!

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Also set TRFC to 55 in ram settings... are you actively cooling the NB, temps seem pretty high... put a fan over it...

don't see why you sould RMA the board... you are overclocking a quad here ( nice volts on the CPU mate) and most here OC Wolfdales.. way easier on the NB... I needed 1.45 set with my Q6600 for 400FSB... NB was integrated in the WC loop...

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I've seen people here running 3.6 @ Q6600 (8x 450) with 1.4V on NB rock stable with low temps.. that's why I though my NB is a RMA candidate...

I have tRFC set to 55 (I have nothing auto @ memory timings)

FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333 --> I belive you don't understand what this is and how it works. Auto gives you more ratio's to choose from @ DRAM Frequency... I am using 5:6 so strap 333 +it's more bw

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled --> Enabled gives me more BW @ Everest cache & memory bench...
Ai Clock Twister : Auto
Transaction Booster : Auto --> Disable releax level 0 << why should I?

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Originally Posted by sesion

I have one of the first Maximus Formula SE as I bought it right after they got released, using the Rampage bios 0308 and overclocking isn't that much of an issue, however no bios can resolve my problem and it looks I have a :banana::banana::banana::banana: NorthBridge on my mb...

Basically I need to set 1.57V in bios (1.6V @ windows) for NB to get a stable overclock.

When I setup anything lower then 1.57 (1.6V) prime blend will fail, however on 1.50V I did prime small FFT's for 8h stable, just blend fails...

Is this a RMA candidate? Oh and under prime: SB 49C / NB 56C

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While your NB temps are not the greatest 1.57 volts on the NB is certainly no RMA.
4GB's will tax the NB harder than 2GB's and you will require more volts.

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

While your NB temps are not the greatest 1.57 volts on the NB is certainly no RMA.
4GB's will tax the NB harder than 2GB's and you will require more volts.

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Befor I had 2x 1GB @ DDR2-1200 and NB also was at 1.57 (1.6)...

It's just going on my nerves that everything is set on lowest voltage that's available and only the NB needs so much @ 1.6 is already red color in the bios... and basically ive seen my NB getting even 60C :/

How hot can NB get? While I had 60C at times my pc is still rock stable, so does it do any bad?

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Originally Posted by sesion

I've seen people here running 3.6 @ Q6600 (8x 450) with 1.4V on NB rock stable with low temps.. that's why I though my NB is a RMA candidate...

I have tRFC set to 55 (I have nothing auto @ memory timings)

FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333 --> I belive you don't understand what this is and how it works. Auto gives you more ratio's to choose from @ DRAM Frequency... I am using 5:6 so strap 333 +it's more bw

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled --> Enabled gives me more BW @ Everest cache & memory bench...
Ai Clock Twister : Auto
Transaction Booster : Auto --> Disable releax level 0 << why should I?

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Did you want to lower Nb voltage or not ? well go looser then on the memory controller... and I love to see peeps here mess with timings and co ... Can you tell me what that extra bandwith gives in apps or games ??? pretty much nothing...great for benching and co... it's either the way you run it now or another way...

You can put 10 boards to one another , each board is different in setup (meaning the little details or tweaks) so is each CPU... you can compare and try other settings but did the other users run it at stock like eg you or did they use aftermarket cooling... other ram... My Nb was integrated in the loop ( SE version ) and it never got over 50&#176;C at 1.65volts... did you replace the TIM onder the NB ? Most of us popped it and scraped that freaking Asus stuff off...

And I messed with Maximus SE from day one it was released, I know the board... latest bios however I used was 0907 you guys might be on later rev already or rampage bios... I ditched the board asI don't like boards that tend to overvolt stuff (CPU PLL, RAM voltage, NB voltage )and undervolts FSB termination voltage and it ate twice one of my Gskill 2Gb sticks... I sold it and the current user is pretty happy with it...

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Did you want to lower Nb voltage or not ? well go looser then on the memory controller... and I love to see peeps here mess with timings and co ... Can you tell me what that extra bandwith gives in apps or games ??? pretty much nothing...great for benching and co... it's either the way you run it now or another way...

You can put 10 boards to one another , each board is different in setup (meaning the little details or tweaks) so is each CPU... you can compare and try other settings but did the other users run it at stock like eg you or did they use aftermarket cooling... other ram... My Nb was integrated in the loop ( SE version ) and it never got over 50&#176;C at 1.65volts... did you replace the TIM onder the NB ? Most of us popped it and scraped that freaking Asus stuff off...

And I messed with Maximus SE from day one it was released, I know the board... latest bios however I used was 0907 you guys might be on later rev already or rampage bios... I ditched the board asI don't like boards that tend to overvolt stuff (CPU PLL, RAM voltage, NB voltage )and undervolts FSB termination voltage and it ate twice one of my Gskill 2Gb sticks... I sold it and the current user is pretty happy with it...

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No I haven't replaced it as I heard about troubles with taking off the radiator (his). And well my setup is air only, so I can't match your NB @ 50C at 1.67V... btw. more bw is never bad ;)

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http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...Capture-20.jpg

No real changes that I can see? Perhaps some 45nm clocking enhancements? I wont know until the Egg ships out my new X3350...

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Improve Memory compatibility

1.57v bios set for NB is nothing to be worried about. That's exactly what I need to set for my Q6600 G0 at x8 Multi, FSB450, 333 FSB Strap. Remember we're dealing with a 65nm archtechture quad here and not the easy peice of cake OC 45nm CPU. And you do realize that by lowering the multi from stock x9 down to x8 multi = more stressful for the NB and most likely requires more NB volt.

In my case, I had to set 1.65v NB in bios to get up to FSB470 * 8 Prime/OCCT stable. I've everything in my system air cooled, check my sig.
As a final note if you're using RF bios, the performance level that you set + AI Clock Twister from Lighter to Stronger on the RF bios will have a critical affect for your entire system's stability.
I had to lower the AI Clock Twister all the way from Stronger down to Moderate to stay Prime/OCCT stable using Performance Level 7.

Until we decided to ditch our Q6600 G0 for a 45nm cpu (in which case the mobo is best compatible and OC friendly with), nothing I can complaint really at this stage.
I'd surprised that if both of our board would still need the high NB volt for a 45nm to reach equivalent or greater OC. Until then, we can worry about RMA the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty NB on this MF board for later.

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Originally Posted by XtremeTiramisu

1.57v bios set for NB is nothing to be worried about. That's exactly what I need to set for my Q6600 G0 at x8 Multi, FSB450, 333 FSB Strap. Remember we're dealing with a 65nm archtechture quad here and not the easy peice of cake OC 45nm CPU. And you do realize that by lowering the multi from stock x9 down to x8 multi = more stressful for the NB and most likely requires more NB volt.

In my case, I had to set 1.65v NB in bios to get up to FSB470 * 8 Prime/OCCT stable. I've everything in my system air cooled, check my sig.
As a final note if you're using RF bios, the performance level that you set + AI Clock Twister from Lighter to Stronger on the RF bios will have a critical affect for your entire system's stability.
I had to lower the AI Clock Twister all the way from Stronger down to Moderate to stay Prime/OCCT stable using Performance Level 7.

Until we decided to ditch our Q6600 G0 for a 45nm cpu (in which case the mobo is best compatible and OC friendly with), nothing I can complaint really at this stage.
I'd surprised that if both of our board would still need the high NB volt for a 45nm to reach equivalent or greater OC. Until then, we can worry about RMA the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty NB on this MF board for later.

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The AI Clock Twister setting runs best on AUTO here, basically when I change it on let's say moderated I can't pass prime blend... I might try giving the memorys more voltage but I doubt it will help....

How hot does your NB run?

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Originally Posted by sesion

The AI Clock Twister setting runs best on AUTO here, basically when I change it on let's say moderated I can't pass prime blend... I might try giving the memorys more voltage but I doubt it will help....

How hot does your NB go?

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Your running your ram at 1080 and cant set clock twister to strong without errors?
You either have some really bad ram or there is a setup issue.
At 1080 you should be able to run Twister Strong with Dram Static enabled for some better bandwidth.

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Your running your ram at 1080 and cant set clock twister to strong without errors?
You either have some really bad ram or there is a setup issue.
At 1080 you should be able to run Twister Strong with Dram Static enabled for some better bandwidth.

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I will give it some more testing but it looks like I can't use any settings beside AUTO. It's not a ram issue because befor I had 2x OCZ DDR2-1200 running at 1080 and same there, errors even on moderated. Now I bought 2x OCZ 2GB DDR2-1066 and same results.

http://i30.tinypic.com/fencjb.png

Thats not bad actually for 1080.
This is 1200 with same FSB, I only have 2GB's tho

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...inger/1200.png

Hi guys, new RF bios 0401 is released ...

RAMPAGE-ASUS-Formula-0401

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Thats not bad actually for 1080.
This is 1200 with same FSB, I only have 2GB's tho

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...inger/1200.png

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Try using Strap at 333, that will give you more bw even if you run only 1080.

Have a look on my old 2x 1GB DDR2-1200 @ 1116 (Strap 333)

http://i29.tinypic.com/29eqf68.png

guys, I've got a problem.

I Disliked the 1004 BIOS with Q6600....... unstable and giving me "dumping of physical memory" everytime
Tried to reverse BIOS with ASUS Update, and it does not work, Say it's problem with the file.
The DOS EZ flash does not take older BIOS than the installed....

what could I do?

Hey anyone have the problem that whenever you plug in a usb (i.e blackberry, usb key), you get bsod with Rampage 0308? I've changed back to MF1201 and it was ok. this problem seems to only happen with rampage bios.

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Befor I had 2x 1GB @ DDR2-1200 and NB also was at 1.57 (1.6)...

It's just going on my nerves that everything is set on lowest voltage that's available and only the NB needs so much @ 1.6 is already red color in the bios... and basically ive seen my NB getting even 60C :/

How hot can NB get? While I had 60C at times my pc is still rock stable, so does it do any bad?

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If you actively cool your NB, you can be stable at lower voltages; remember, more heat will need to be countered with more volts to be stable.


Man, it's not easy trying to make up my mind on which of my two cpus (Q600, E8400) to keep with these new bioses coming fast at me.

My E8400 at 4.5Ghz (prime blend, small ffts stable) gives me 19k+ in 3dmark06, and my Q6600 at 3.9Ghz (prime blend, small ffts stable) also gives me 19k+ in 3dmark06.

Decisions, decisions: Which one would you guys keep? I get better mem bandwidth with 8400 (9x500 fsb, 1:1 @ 4x2GB @ DDR2 1000 5-5-3, @ 1.80v (set in bios).

What do you think is better 8 x 450 or 9 x 400???

9x400, less stress (voltage). More fsb doesn't mean faster system (anymore). 400 allows using better performance level.

All right I flashed 0401 with EZ FLash, so far so good. Still testing between 423x9 vs 423x8. I can't seem to get the tRD settings to match the bandwidth/latency of the 475 FSB runs. I'm not completely OCCT 1 hour stable at 475 either.....I crash at around 35 minutes. I think my CPU is limited somewhere between 470-475.....I'm stable at 470 with tRD 7. I'm testing with enabling the phase pull ins....

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What do you think is better 8 x 450 or 9 x 400???

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9x400, less stress (voltage). More fsb doesn't mean faster system (anymore). 400 allows using better performance level.

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...06#post2919006

Has anyone monitored their temps via OCCT graph or with a similar app? It may be a sensor/BIOS bug, but I get these crazy spikes in voltage and temps.....
I don't see how the temp spike can be anything but a BIOS bug, as that's almost physically impossible....however I didn't monitor the voltage to the NB so I guess if the voltage spiked it's possible.....
The VCOre jump is really what caught my attention. 1.63V :eek:

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guys, I've got a problem.

I Disliked the 1004 BIOS with Q6600....... unstable and giving me "dumping of physical memory" everytime
Tried to reverse BIOS with ASUS Update, and it does not work, Say it's problem with the file.
The DOS EZ flash does not take older BIOS than the installed....

what could I do?

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follow the instructions from page 1 to use afudos.

Anyone get better results with Q9450/X3350 OC with 1201 MF or 0401 RF BIOS?

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9x400, less stress (voltage). More fsb doesn't mean faster system (anymore). 400 allows using better performance level.

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450x8 is faster than 400x9

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Anyone get better results with Q9450/X3350 OC with 1201 MF or 0401 RF BIOS?

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I find 401 is a much better bios than 308, 308 had troubles booting my quad past 460FSB, now on bios 401 it will do 506 FSB, seems my volts might be down a tad.
Only need 1.36v for 450x8:up:

sorry, i dont want to put up huge pics.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...thtimgings.jpg

i dont understand this. looser timings, same speed but lower latency and higher bandwidth?

:shrug:

*edit*

also has anybody tried the new rampage bios to see if there was a change in gtl control at all?

401 RF bios is very good, I would flash to it.
If your comparing bandwidth to mine I was using a 8 multi not 9 so your running 400MHz faster
Care to share your 9x450 settings I was just about to start playing with that.
I have 9x425 blend stable 8x450@1200 ram blend stable, now looking for teh golden 4.0
My Dominators really like 1200 so I would like to stay there for 24/7 use.

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401 RF bios is very good, I would flash to it.
If your comparing bandwidth to mine I was using a 8 multi not 9 so your running 400MHz faster
Care to share your 9x450 settings I was just about to start playing with that.
I have 9x425 blend stable 8x450@1200 ram blend stable, now looking for teh golden 4.0
My Dominators really like 1200 so I would like to stay there for 24/7 use.

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hmmm. seems 0308 has better bandwidth.

0401
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...22976/0401.jpg

0308
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...thtimgings.jpg

same exact settings.

im going to re-test for stability here in a second and do some adjustments so ill put up the 450x9 settings in a bit. sorry, didnt see the 8 multi there.

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back to 0308. confirmed that it provides lower latency and higher bandwidth (not so much bandwidth as latency)

i think i have to get a new pair of ram...
what 4gb ddram2 is good with this board . (and maybe not too expensive)??

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i think i have to get a new pair of ram...
what 4gb ddram2 is good with this board . (and maybe not too expensive)??

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GeIL Esoteria 2x2Gb DDR2-800 runs like a dream. I sold my 4x1Gb kit of Crucial Ballistix (board wouldn't POST with it on first boot without swapping some value RAM to set voltage) to go with these.

I know people have used the G Skill DDR2-1066 as well. I know a few here that run GeIL Evo Ones at decent clocks, but I wasn't lucky enough to get a good pair. I think newegg has the crappy batch ATM.


All right well I'm stable with the following settings 1 hour OCCT. I know some of you may be thinking that's a lot of NBV.....but it's needed with a 2x2Gb kit......I can't go any lower than 1.63V, and I keep a fan on the NB sink so it's nice and cool. I idle at 41-43 and load at 43-44.

Just converted my P5E to RM 401 bios

Seem there isn;t alot of bifferent between The p5e and the RM using the same settings







Asus P5E (Rampage Conversion)
OCZ 2GB PC2-8500 XTC SLI-Ready Edition (2 x 1GB)
Intel Core™2 Duo Processor E8400
Western Digital 500GB RE2 Enterprise-class 7200rpm (x2) Raid 0
ST Lab 2-Port Serial / 1-Port Parallel PCI Express Card
Corsair TX 750W Power Supply
BFG 7950 GTS OC
X-Fi XtremeGamer

Anyone have random POSTing issues with the Rampage BIOS? I've had this since I flashed to the 0308....I was hoping that the 0401 would fix it, but it seems that it hasn't. About half the time I won't POST, and the board will hard reset itself (as in, switch the power off itself), then reboot as if it got the" overclocking failed" message. This is with stable settings.....happens randomly too.
Sometimes I even have to clear the CMOS to get it to POST, then save the settings again.
Anyone?

not that issue, but my maximus no longer supports ram speeds over 998mhz...no matter the IC's, DIMM size...just cannot do 1000mhz mem or higher now....


Sounds like your chipset voltage is a tad bit too low, IMHO.

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The information originally comes from http://www.blazingpc.com/forum/showt...830/index.html

After searching the Crucial site myself I was unable to confirm this.
So seeing as I might have posted false information I called Crucial myself.
The only ram compatible with Maximus Formula is PC5300
This problem with ram dying prematurely has been ongoing since the board came out.

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Thanks for clarifying.After reading so many negative posts on the Ballistixs and this board, I'm sorry I ever bought them. Once I get the returns, I'm going to sell them off. Can you recommend a set (i'd like to keep 8GB) that would definetly work and OC with this mobo?

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not that issue, but my maximus no longer supports ram speeds over 998mhz...no matter the IC's, DIMM size...just cannot do 1000mhz mem or higher now....


Sounds like your chipset voltage is a tad bit too low, IMHO.

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I have it at 1.65V........I mean it's stable in OCCT....I'll see what my temps are at 1.67V. LOL