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09-16-2009, 10:32 AM
Glow9

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Originally Posted by Calmatory

If you "can", go ahead and say the same. Back up your claims and we will discuss. Until then I stand behind my word that the results are false, or at least misleading at best.

It's a public forum is all I'm saying until this thing is reviewed by someone we can all trust then woop de doo. Neither he nor you can be proven or dissproven at this point.
09-16-2009, 10:40 AM
Origin_Unknown

ok, calm down children
09-16-2009, 10:49 AM
Gautam

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Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown

ok, calm down children

Or you get put in time-out. :p:
09-16-2009, 12:28 PM
Chickenfeed

As long as these things aren't 4890s all will be well. The 4870s were fairly respectable noise wise with the stock fan profile / heatsink design. Given it is has a similar max board power but also a full length pcb / heatsink, it should be just as quiet if not more so. I was never one of those OCD types who'd complain about 80+ load temps so I have no problem with these thigns getting hot if ATI says they can ( used my 4870x2 with stock profile from day one with no artifacts / thermal issues at 90-95C on the hotter of the 2 cores )
09-16-2009, 12:31 PM
mibo

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Originally Posted by gamervivek

why false? crysis at 75% still heats up more than far cry 2 at 100%.
looks legit to me.

edit- hmm not much different from juniper
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8876/junip.jpg

Could you please post more infos on the Juniper.
Standard core/mem and idle frequencies/temps.

Thank you,
mibo
09-16-2009, 12:51 PM
Glow9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gautam

Or you get put in time-out. :p:

The progession of this thread (which has been hilarious for me since its all speculation at this point).

First reports: :fact:

Interest and ATI fan celebrations: banana3: :banana2: :rehab: :banana:

Nvidia Cronies chime in: :soap:

Arguments commence :argue:

Goes way off topic: :eleph:

So what is it we can see? Well despite speculations from either side at least they have more to offer than Intel ha! :P
09-16-2009, 12:55 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

I see the GDDR5 still doesnt downclock in 2d.
09-16-2009, 12:58 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

I see the GDDR5 still doesnt downclock in 2d.

WTF are you talking about? It is at 300mhz...
09-16-2009, 01:03 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

WTF are you talking about? It is at 300mhz...

WTF are you blind? it says 1200mhz
09-16-2009, 01:07 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

WTF are you blind? it says 1200mhz

Well seeing as how I am at work, I cannot see the pictures.
This morning there was a couple shots of a 5800 series card idling at 157/300...

Here-
http://www.xtremesystems.org/FORUMS/...postcount=1156

and this was posted-

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

um, 850/1200 1.063/1.45v
157/300 .850v/???v

So obviously GDDR5 is downclocking.

I also mentioned this earlier-

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Not only do the clocks lower at idle for the GDDR5 but also the voltage is lowered plus they fixed the screen flickering due to clock switching.
09-16-2009, 01:08 PM
Manicdan

there is ore than 1 picture, some show 300mhz for the memory
09-16-2009, 01:13 PM
astrallite

Isn't GDDR5 4 data cycles per clock, so 300mhz => 1200mhz?
09-16-2009, 02:13 PM
w0mbat

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Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

WTF are you blind? it says 1200mhz

I read 300MHz too
http://i30.tinypic.com/2py6edh.png
09-16-2009, 02:38 PM
T2k

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Originally Posted by LowRun

Then i guess he's far from being a dead clock.

True: he isn't right even once a day, forget twice.
09-16-2009, 02:39 PM
highoctane

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

WTF are you blind? it says 1200mhz

Idle clocks are 157/300(x4) from the box that says "current values" which would be the current 2d clocks, 3d clocks are 850/1200(x4)
09-16-2009, 02:59 PM
T2k

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Originally Posted by Astennu

I do agree. The HD5870 will only be 15-20% faster. But that is where is HD5870 X2 comes in to play. Depending on the time nVidia needs for its GT300 GX2 (if there will be a GX2) Its also possible that AMD will have a refresh of the RV870 (HD5890 / HD59xx ish)

At the start i think it will be HD5870 and the X2 VS the GT300 Single card range.

Again, I don't understand what the heck you people are comparing here... Based on pricing - the only meaningful base for market viability comparisons - 285 will fight 5870 and 295's counterpart ill be most likely the X2 and both cases NV gets spanked pretty badly.
Once they bring out GT300 the story will change but I have serious bets it won't happen this year - IIRC each respin takes 2-3 months and it's mid-September already and we know from more than one sources that NV is having serious issues...
09-16-2009, 03:18 PM
netkas

no info about 5870 device-id yet ?
09-16-2009, 03:38 PM
ViRuS2k

Question for the Gurus.

Remember a game called DOOM 3 where it had really bad AF on cards and gave you a stairstep effect or *shimmering*
will these new cards fix that issue becuse thats what really bothered me in that game the most.
09-16-2009, 03:38 PM
LowRun

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Originally Posted by T2k

True: he isn't right even once a day, forget twice.

The fact that he brought the Nvidia's defective chips story with full details, that alone is enough to grant him credibility IMHO but every one is entitled to think different.
09-16-2009, 03:45 PM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by ViRuS2k

Question for the Gurus.

Remember a game called DOOM 3 where it had really bad AF on cards and gave you a stairstep effect or *shimmering*
will these new cards fix that issue becuse thats what really bothered me in that game the most.

Most likely but not yet confirmed.
What was confirmed was a near-perfect AF algorithm which will produce better AF IQ than Nvidia's cards, though the difference will not be easily seen w/o still shots and 300-400% zoom.
09-16-2009, 04:18 PM
Oberon

We just need a shot from AF Tester of a flat plane. That will give you a good clue as to whether or not shimmer will be an issue.
09-16-2009, 04:20 PM
Kylzer

So when does the nda lift?

is not today ? (thursday)
09-16-2009, 05:22 PM
Your_Boss

On my HIS 4870 I get 65c at 30% fan speed(idle). (corrected) Looks like these new cards get about 40c at 20% fan speed.(idle) That actually seems better than my 4870.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...s/idleat20.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...s/idleat20.jpg

Not sure who's really going to have their fan up at 100% at idle. LOL

"Hey man, that's a scream'n loud card ya got there."
"Yeah, I leave like this 24/7 so I can have a 31c card temp..cool, huh?"
"Ummm, no, it isn't"
LOL

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A.../idleat100.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A.../idleat100.jpg
09-16-2009, 05:30 PM
zerazax

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

WTF are you blind? it says 1200mhz

Let's not call others blind... take those green-tinted glasses off! It says 300 down there on current clocks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kylzer

So when does the nda lift?

is not today ? (thursday)

9/22-9/23 depending on which side of the world you are on
09-16-2009, 05:50 PM
Humminn55

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Originally Posted by Your_Boss

On my HIS 4870 I get 65c at 30% fan speed(idle). (corrected) Looks like these new cards get about 40c at 20% fan speed.(idle) That actually seems better than my 4870.

You need a better cooler, then. My Sapphire Toxic 4870 idles at 44-45C when the fan is at 30%. I'd think about buying a replacement cooler.

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