Retail Q9650 Overclocking Thread

this is just my opinion but every cpu that ive owned has had 1 or 2 stuck sensors,mind you i have not owned a lot (4 intel in total).but i dont think the stuck sensors have anything to do with how well they OC,there are just poorly designed sensors.now to the low vid.out of the four cpus,one e8400's vid was 1.22 and it OCed about the same as the other cpu's which were all 1.25.the only real difference was the low vid ran alot hotter.so i was happy when my 9650 arrived and it was 1.25 at least it wouldnt run so hot.and like zucker2k said you cant buy a chip and just because its the same exact batch # and vid as anothers user who managed a very high OC at low volts,does not mean it will perform the exact same for you.too many variables to be considered(board,psu,cooling,ram,and user).just look back in this thread where everyone thought that only the B chips could achieve the extreme clocks.that was not 100% true,but at the time people were buying and sending back chips because they were A chips.now remember just an opinion.

This is the new small Q9650 box, all in white and blue

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1338/nuevacajayf8.jpg

This is the normal Q9650 box all in blue only label in white

http://www.mercadolibre.com.mx/jm/im...8_4287.jpg&v=P

yea i got the top one,small white and blue

Bought big blue one :) L825B425 / pack date 09/17/08

Which one is better (good ocer)?

what memory are you guys using to hit 1200mhz? it seems there are not many that can run at these speeds for 24/7 stability. right now i'm stuck at 493fsb and i'm trying to get the last 7, but i think my crappy memory is limiting me. they're 1066 tracers trying to run 5:6 at 6-6-6, almost reaching 1200

im using cellshock pc8000cl4 kits.but i think some here are using the g.skill 9600's,very expensive at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

About your result, I believe you gave that pc too much volts; at least you may have gotten the voltages messed up somewhat. These chips without exception will do 450 fsb on the right board and with the right combination of volts. The stuck temp sucks, but the load temp is what matters. I never thought I'd see the day when a 4Ghz easy chip will get RMA'ed for being a poor clocker. :p:

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I might not have the experience you have with overclocking, but when I do test a new chip I keep it simple. I stated the bios setting I used before but here is the run down. I backed down my ram to PL 10 and auto settings for mostly everything(On my old quad I can run PL8 with 450FSB just fine), I did this to make sure that RAM was not an issue if I had any stability problems. I set the Vcore to auto, when trying to see where to begin with vcore I always start about 0.04v less then what CPUZ reports on auto. I set my NB to 1.38 and VTT to 1.40(Highest safe setting I know of for VTT with the intension of lowering later if I could), Ram was stock at 1.9v. I set CPU PLL to 1.54 although I could go up to 1.58-1.60 safe on 45nm according to Leeghoofd. I have never messed with GTL Ref volts, I always leave them on auto. I also turn all the Speedsteping/VT/Disable bit stuff off in the CPU tab.So given the above info, I was very surprised when I booted to 9x450 and got instant BSOD's, then when I tried 8x475 I could not boot period but 8x425 ran just fine.

I see it this way, there are plenty of people here who have Q9650's without stuck sensors, and when I pay the same price for my chip as they did why should I expect anything less? I did not RMA my chip because it was a poor overclocker, I RMA'd it because it had stuck sensors and wouldn't really overclock at all. Like you said these things are easy 4.0ghz+ overclockers and to suggest that it is impossible that I got one that was jacked up and would not hit 4.0ghz on a P5Q-D P45 board with the latest bios and the setting I mentioned above is kind of far fetched. Now, your comments are reasonable though, I did not give this chip a deep look through because my return/replacement warranty was running out and I had to make the choice of spending a lot of time trying to figure out the problem and running the risk of not being able to return it if it was a dud or just returning it and hoping for the best with a replacement.

BTW, username Makubex_GB has the same CPU/Mobo/Ram as I do and used one of KET's modded bios's and got awesome results with a 1.25VID chip. When I get my replacement I will be posting results and asking for help here in this thread or the P5Q-D thread.

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Originally Posted by TheGanG

Bought big blue one :) L825B425 / pack date 09/17/08

Which one is better (good ocer)?

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My bet would be on the older one, the one you bought. But it is still hit and miss with these things. If I had a choice I would go with the older box CPU but it might not matter at all:shrug:

Portcityslim, all the things you stated are reasonable enough, but your 45nm cpu plays different with your board than that 65nm cpu. You'd be surprised how an easier overclock it will be for you. Instead of merely moving voltages around,

1. Clear cmos
2. start all over from stock and move up in 5 increments, changing nothing till absolutely necessary, starting with vcore, vnb, and fsbt
3. Remember, that 9x450 is a higher speed than what your board was running previously, in my experience, you may need a tad higher nb to cope nicely with the speedier processor
4. Stay away from modded bioses for the moment until you know what is stable on a normal bios

Better luck.

PortCitySlim

Mate you run with my same luck on this new chips, don't get descouraged as i did, this was my second Q9650 and still don't get a good one...Also i talked to radaja that had the same problems than on my MF2 and In my country i can't RMA the board for that...so you can imagine...

Zucker2k

You are right to start ocing on that way

On my personal experience on this chips i must say that are awesome, they can boot higher clocks with very low volts, thing that i couldn't do with my 65nm quads, but to get it stable on the MF2 was a nightmare i put all my experience, many ppl here helped me a lot on tips but 2 was a months nightmare 1 day stable next hours not and so on, so...I quit i will be going to UD3P and if possible get a better chip

As for stuck sensors I must admit that's a shocking experience, my L825B513 was my first 45nm came in the old box, I did all the burn in and had it for a month on low volts (1,32), then start going up litle by little. I don't know if that affects OC or not but's really you must admit that something has to be wrong inside the chip and kindy annoying for the end user.

Either way we all know that this is like this and we can only keep going forward ;)

PortCitySlim the best for you on your next chip :up:

Zucker2k keep going very nice clocks there :up:

If anyone spots a nice Q9650 just tell me so this poor Uruguayan doesn't get "more" crazy on the search :rofl:

Cheers to all :up:
Sergio

I've been reading this thread long enough, time for me to contribute.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...0/IMG_0595.jpg

Batch: L826A965
VID: 1.250

Board: P5Q Deluxe (open box from newegg)
Bios: 1702
DDR: OCZ Reaper 8500 2 x 2gb (5-5-5-18 @ 2.1 stock settings)
PS: Corsair 620HX
GPU: EVGA GTX260 @ 730-1574-1150

Cooling: dtek fuzion v1, swiftech mcr320 w med speed yate loons, mcp355 w/ petras top


Here's 4.250 500 x 8.5

Tested with Intel Burn test 20/20 @ 100%
Tested With 3DM vantage 14,005
No prime blend yet, I'm not that patient
Max temp: 74c

Settings:

Cpu: 1.38750v
GTL: 0.650
GTL: 0.650
PLL: 1.52
FSB: 1.50
DDR: 2.10
NB: 1.40
NBGTL: 0.665
SB: 1.10
PCIE: 1.5

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...packstable.jpg

I also got stable at the following settings:

Here's 4.3 478 x 9

Tested with Intel Burn test 20/20 @ 100%
Prime stable 8h+
Max temp: 74c

Settings:

Cpu: 1.38750v
GTL: 0.650
GTL: 0.650
PLL: 1.50
FSB: 1.32
DDR: 2.10
NB: 1.32
NBGTL: 0.660
SB: 1.10
PCIE: 1.5

Here's 4.2 467 x 9

Tested with Intel Burn test 20/20 @ 100%
Prime stable 6h+ (impatience got me)
Max temp: 62c

Settings:

Cpu: 1.33750v
GTL: 0.630
GTL: 0.630
PLL: 1.50
FSB: 1.32
DDR: 2.10
NB: 1.32
NBGTL: 0.660
SB: 1.10
PCIE: 1.5

Here's 4.1 456 x 9

Tested with Intel Burn test 20/20 @ 100%
Prime stable 6h+
Max temp: ?

Settings:

Cpu: 1.30000v
GTL: 0.630
GTL: 0.630
PLL: 1.50
FSB: 1.32
DDR: 2.10
NB: 1.32
NBGTL: 0.660
SB: 1.10
PCIE: 1.5

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Originally Posted by nkresho

I've been reading this thread long enough, time for me to contribute.

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Nice chip mate, what batch and vid is it ?

Cheers
Sergio

^ updated 1.25, and L826A965

Zucker did you manage to get 500x9 stable on your X48 mobo?

testing ram @2.1Vdimm
BTW.. Small white box
Batch: L828A480
Vid: 1.225

http://i41.tinypic.com/xduhe8.jpg

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Originally Posted by mreld3r

testing ram @2.1Vdimm
BTW.. Small white box
Batch: L828A480
Vid: 1.225

http://i41.tinypic.com/xduhe8.jpg

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nice mreld3r :up:

I thought you weren't gonna visit this thread anymore Sergio :p

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Originally Posted by mreld3r

testing ram @2.1Vdimm
BTW.. Small white box
Batch: L828A480
Vid: 1.225

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You're better off testing mem with HCI Memtest.

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

I thought you weren't gonna visit this thread anymore Sergio :p

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:rofl: I have a feeling he will be back here for a while!

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Originally Posted by onthepulse

Want to know if this is really true or not. I also live in Aus and couldn't care for an i7 system. Q9650 is looking awfully tasty... Hope they're not reject chips...

How about the Q9550s? Any changes in results/monitors on those?

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Well I don't know if it just coindice or not But I just got my 9650 form mwave the day they dropped in price small blue/ white box Batch L827A945 and it has a great vid (1.16v) but the fourth sensor is stuck @ 38' and won't move til tem,ps rise above the 38' so like I said not sure but I think Jor3 might be onto something here ?:yepp:
Would really suck for intel to do this but for tyhe same token wouldn't surprise me:shakes:

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

I thought you weren't gonna visit this thread anymore Sergio :p

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Can't let go mate :rofl:

people visit pages 3-4-5 and see even then people were getting vids of 1.25 and stuck sensors,all this talk is making us new users feel like weve been cheated but in fact it just a poor sensor design.

Sorry radaja wasn't my intention...

From day one 45nm CPU's have been plagued by bad, stuck sensors. But don't forget that it can also be not working on your mobo, but they can work perfectly on another mobo or even bios version for ya mobo... I've owned enough 45nm CPU's

andressergio no need to say sorry.but like leeghoofd said this is nothing new.just a very bad sensor design(intel even says as much)