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08-14-2008, 11:09 AM
WaxCactus

sounds like a winner mainstream part, intel did a very smart move makin PCH only on MB and
NB built on die of Cpu..

its very tempting to get a bloomfield but if thats gonna cost alot i see lynnfield as a winner :)
08-14-2008, 11:18 AM
Ace-a-Rue

Intel lengthens first-gen 'Nehalem' CPU shelf life?

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Originally Posted by Register Hardware

A report on Japanese-language site PCWatch has the gen. It shows Intel's second-gen desktop Nehalem, codenamed 'Lynnfield', appearing in H2 2009, probably in the third quarter of the year.

Lynnfield was first roadmapped for an H1 2009 release. It's a quad-core part and incorporates HyperThreading to allow it to appear to an operating system as eight cores. It has 8MB of L2 cache and supports DDR 3.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06...oadmap_update/
08-14-2008, 11:46 AM
bowman

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Originally Posted by JCornell

It's for temporary I think ... until they releases the Logo for Xeon.
Not to mention "if" Gainestown will part of Xeon category :p:

Well, the Xeon logo has stayed practically the same between generations, NetBurst, Conroe, Penryn, duo or quad.. So I'd expect them to leave it.
08-14-2008, 06:18 PM
Newblar

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Absolutely! Remeber that odl thread where I tried to say better performance will make some folks forget about extreme overclocking?

Not being able to overclock like Phenom, I doubt and 2.66GHz is already as fast as a 3 to 3.2GHz Penryn in many cases (what I'm told) so even at stock and less than $300, who cares?

how about a 3gig nehalem compared to a 4.2penryn in games supporting only two cores?
seems like phenom vs x2 to me, and this is intels first shot at integrated memory controllers... shouldnt that mean more heat, more die size, and less ocing headroom?
08-14-2008, 06:59 PM
cryomonkey

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Originally Posted by Newblar

how about a 3gig nehalem compared to a 4.2penryn in games supporting only two cores?
seems like phenom vs x2 to me, and this is intels first shot at integrated memory controllers... shouldnt that mean more heat, more die size, and less ocing headroom?

I realize this is outside your 3GHz to 4.2GHz example but, I hear they've demoed nehalem running air cooled @ ~4GHz :shocked:which theoretically would make it slightly faster then a 4.2GHz penryn running even a two core game (and defiantly faster with software that can use more cores).

Now, if you bring price into the picture the penryn may equate to cheaper performance ;)
08-14-2008, 09:42 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Newblar

how about a 3gig nehalem compared to a 4.2penryn in games supporting only two cores?
seems like phenom vs x2 to me, and this is intels first shot at integrated memory controllers... shouldnt that mean more heat, more die size, and less ocing headroom?

Don't know! I bought a Wolfdale because I use more Single and Dual threads than 4 or more. I don't multitask because there are 4 computers in my home. If I had a need for 4 cores like many others here do I'd get one. I try to buy the right tool to fit my use pattern.

More heat, but also more surface area to remove the heat. It is a lot larger than Penryn and thank goodness, no more Hot North Bridges to deal with. Like now. My Wolfdale is running at 30C and the North Bridge is at 42C. But one thing to consider here. Once that part (NB) of the processor is made with a better process and shrank down the 45nm don't expect it to run at 42C.
08-14-2008, 10:18 PM
Newblar

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Originally Posted by cryomonkey

I realize this is outside your 3GHz to 4.2GHz example but, I hear they've demoed nehalem running air cooled @ ~4GHz :shocked:which theoretically would make it slightly faster then a 4.2GHz penryn running even a two core game (and defiantly faster with software that can use more cores).

Now, if you bring price into the picture the penryn may equate to cheaper performance ;)

gotta LINK?
4.0ghz nehalem is the amd killar
08-14-2008, 10:29 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Newblar

gotta LINK?
4.0ghz nehalem is the amd killar

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/int...ield,5968.html

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According to several of our sources, Intel is well on its way with silicon yield, and early samples confirm this. With our own sample in house, we were able to overclock our samples by nearly 1 GHz. What are the performance figures for a quad-core Nehalem system running at nearly 4 GHz? We’ll come back with more as soon as we develop a viable suite of benchmarks to show some real-world gaming and productivity performance.
08-15-2008, 12:26 AM
Shintai

Mmm....4Ghz and counting.
08-15-2008, 12:30 AM
s0lid

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Mmm....4Ghz and counting.

Sweet now i wanna see dual gainestown ocing results!
08-15-2008, 04:53 AM
BulldogPO

Does anybody have everest memory bandwidth tests with Nehalem and that 3-channel DDR3?
08-15-2008, 05:01 AM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Mmm....4Ghz and counting.

If Tom's Hardware can get 4000 then one of the guys here can top 5000..:rofl:

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Originally Posted by s0lid

Sweet now i wanna see dual gainestown ocing results!

yea, me too and for more reasons than you know.
I have a request in for one of those boards to review..:up:
08-15-2008, 07:52 AM
s0lid

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Originally Posted by Movieman

yea, me too and for more reasons than you know.
I have a request in for one of those boards to review..:up:

You're not the only one who works for a hw site and writes reviews :D
08-15-2008, 09:23 AM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by s0lid

You're not the only one who works for a hw site and writes reviews :D

The best of luck to you!:up:
08-15-2008, 01:37 PM
Newblar

so what do you guys think a crossfire 4850 setup, 4gb of DDR3, and nehalem cpu/mobo would cost?
around $1,500 USD?
08-15-2008, 01:52 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Newblar

so what do you guys think a crossfire 4850 setup, 4gb of DDR3, and nehalem cpu/mobo would cost?
around $1,500 USD?

It should still come down to what features you want? If the board looks like a Gigabyte DS4 you have one price, if it looks like an Asus MaximumPrice might be $450. Motherboards are the only unknown part of the equation. I think Crossfire 4850s might be under $300 by the 4th Quarter. Mine was $170 shipped. If I trusted rebates, I could have gotten it for about $150.
08-15-2008, 01:54 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Movieman

If Tom's Hardware can get 4000 then one of the guys here can top 5000..:rofl:

yea, me too and for more reasons than you know.
I have a request in for one of those boards to review..:up:

QFT! Got the wife an 8GB iPhone for our 25th Anniversary, it is Silver LOL!
08-15-2008, 03:00 PM
JumpingJack

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Originally Posted by Movieman

If Tom's Hardware can get 4000 then one of the guys here can top 5000..:rofl:

QFT!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl: No doubt!
08-28-2008, 11:33 PM
ediflorianus

intel Ganestown rely worth it? rely worth the upgrade (CPU / memory / etc) ? i hear that Desktop Nehalem will lunch in November... but wath about the Xeon Ganestown ? I'm consideing in buying a nice gift before Xmass.
I wold rather buy dual Ganestown , bether value in time
08-29-2008, 01:50 AM
BitpowerPM

Dell will release their new PowerEdge R710 Server based on dual gainestown in november. So maybe a launch in October should be possible. Nehalem is always worth the upgrade. ;)

cu, BitpowerPM
08-29-2008, 07:44 AM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by BitpowerPM

Dell will release their new PowerEdge R710 Server based on dual gainestown in november. So maybe a launch in October should be possible. Nehalem is always worth the upgrade. ;)

cu, BitpowerPM

Hey, I heard this too!
08-31-2008, 08:46 AM
Drwho?

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Originally Posted by BulldogPO

Does anybody have everest memory bandwidth tests with Nehalem and that 3-channel DDR3?

Everest is not a hard mountain to claimb any more!!!! :ROTF:

:shocked: <== you when you see the OC memory results!

hahhhaa .. just teasing!
08-31-2008, 10:02 AM
@@@@

@Drwho?

you mention before that some DDR3 memory makers are not following the proper reference/guidelines in their DDR3 modules do you have list to those manufacturers that follow the reference/guidelines ?

and also is it possible that those memory makers that follow the reference/guidelines has a more capable Modules specially when overclocking

thanks for the reply I am setting up a built for Nehalem so i need a little info,
planing to wait for the Asus ROG x58 board but if other board makers step up to the plate
I will consider them as well the more the merrier :p:
08-31-2008, 09:05 PM
AuDioFreaK39

@ anyone

I have a question about tri-channel memory. Since we all know that Nehalem will allow for 32GB/s of memory bandwidth in tri-channel mode (assuming three sticks of DDR3 1333MHz @ 10.6GB/s each), will it also be possible to run 32GB/s in dual-channel with two sticks of DDR3 2000MHz (16GB/s each)?

The reason I ask is because DDR3 2000MHz sticks are still pricey, and I was wondering if I could get two now and wait for a third down the road.
08-31-2008, 09:30 PM
Movieman

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Originally Posted by AuDioFreaK39

@ anyone

I have a question about tri-channel memory. Since we all know that Nehalem will allow for 32GB/s of memory bandwidth in tri-channel mode (assuming three sticks of DDR3 1333MHz @ 10.6GB/s each), will it also be possible to run 32GB/s in dual-channel with two sticks of DDR3 2000MHz (16GB/s each)?

The reason I ask is because DDR3 2000MHz sticks are still pricey, and I was wondering if I could get two now and wait for a third down the road.

I don't think so..That's think not know.
I think it will run at 2/3 of max with 2 sticks and remember, this was designed for DDR3-1333 not 2000.. You may get better than 2/3 of max but I don't think you will get the full benefit without using 3 sticks..

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