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Originally Posted by spawn447
The good man Leeghoofd did a review on this here..
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=897
Supposed to be a pretty good kit, In the states I would get it from here for $244
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swh2edukit.html
Hope this helps!
actually yes that will do pretty well for you, I forgot about swiftechs kit and with the low voltage ability of the 9650's that dual rad would be very good for you.
just do one thing for me if you get that kit - just run it on your GPU and dont use the hydrx supplied, use distilled water and a bit of PT-nuke biocide from petrastechshop.com. Personally I would also recommend you drop in over at the LC section with a thread about your system and budget, you will probably get a better system from buying parts separately.
a quick run down of a budget system that would be more solid than the apex would be a DD CPX-PRO pump ($56), and OCZ hydro-flow CPU block ($45 IIRC) Swiftech MCR-220 rad ($40), 1/2" primochill tubing and some of that same biocide ;) :up:
thanks for the info guys, :up: i'll look into buying individual parts.
just figured a kit would be simple with all the mixing metals and barbs and stuff im lost (noob) :(
don't worry, we've all been through it and we are here to help new users along as well :up: I remeber well the days when I sat there on dangerden's website configuring my cart for hours trying to sort out my first LC order... it was daunting to say the least :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by spawn447
Which Batch is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by mreld3r
We have new results under dice :)
CPU PSN : Intel Core2 Quad CPU Q9650
Freq : 4761.33 MHz (529.04 * 9)
MB Model : LP DK P45-T2RS PLUS
GPU Type : ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT
RAM : 2048 MB DDR2 Dual Channel
Manufacturer : Crucial Technology
Valid: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=501500
2D Tests: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...191950&page=28
Sorry; off the top of my head I cant remember, but I posted it about 2 weeks ago in this thread. Also don't pay any attention to that Vcore in the screenshot, it wasn't prime stable for very long at that voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by emertX
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Originally Posted by PortCitySlim
Hey guys, unfortunately for me this was a very unpleasant CPU. Nothing I did would read less then the stuck temps at 32-34-34-35, I used Everest, RealTemp, CoreTemp and OCCT and got the same readings from both. Very annoying and after running some failed attempts at 450x9(BSOD'd within seconds after boot) and 8x475(wouldn't even boot), I decided to RMA this chip. If it had actually OC'ed well and not been max VID I might have kept it despite the annoyingly stuck temp sensors. Good news is that NewEgg accepted my request from a replacement and it should be here sometime close to Tuesday after next. For my test runs I increased VTT all the way up to 1.4 and left vcore on auto evertime, I used 1.38NB and 1.54PLL, left my RAM at default and kept the PL at 10 to remove the possibility that my RAM was causing the instability's. Only thing I did not try was one of KET's modded bios's but in the next week I will use my old Q6700 and mess around with a mBIOS to see if they improve max FSB(~460) for my old chip.
The price cut on these chips made Intel ship sub-par cpu's to stores, most of them with stuck sensors and poor Ociers...Quote:
Originally Posted by PortCitySlim
Are you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
So would you recommend getting one now.
I can't say this is entirely TRUE but I have yet to find a new Q9650 (small box with white and blue on it) that has healthy sensors.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidReactor
I haven't done enough comparisons to say that is a law.
I would wait and see how the new small box Q9650 are doing first, or get an old big blue box one from eBay.
Jorlbr where you getting that info from? Is that official or hearsay?
Just got back from o/c'ing my mates Q9650 1.225VID. So far so good and its done 4410Mhz P95 blend stable (overnight run) but the chip runs hot...i think its the tradeoff with a lower VID chip. So he is running it at 4.3Ghz atm @ 1.36v (dual back to back 30 run IBT stable, P95 not yet tested but P95 shouldn't be any problems :cool: )
Anyone else with a 1.225VID that runs say 5-10c hotter @ same volts vs a 1.25VID. I think they definetly have more o/c potential than there higher VID brothers but offset is strong cooling required
It's not hearsay it's what I've seen from personal experience so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by kill_a_wat
I guess if you get a new small boxed Q9650 that has 1.225VID and no stuck sensors that should be good.
You're also live in Australia, right? Might be a delay there b/c of shipping etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by kill_a_wat
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Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
Thanks for the info, I will be getting another chip for a replacement in about 10 days and of course I will update with info on it. If I get another small box CPU with stuck sensors that is a poor overclocker I will definitely let you know, and NEWEGG too. If this is the case I will be demanding a refund or another replacement until they send me a Q9650 without stuck sensors, nothing aggravates me more then not knowing what temp my CPU is idling at, sure I could pump 100% load to it and get a reading but anything under 50% load and my CPU temp was below the stuck sensor reading of ~34C.:mad:
Want to know if this is really true or not. I also live in Aus and couldn't care for an i7 system. Q9650 is looking awfully tasty... Hope they're not reject chips...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
How about the Q9550s? Any changes in results/monitors on those?
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Originally Posted by onthepulse
I do not think that it is 100% absolute that you will get a broke chip, however the likely hood of getting a higher VID or poor overclocking chip may have been increased. To me I do not think Intel cares weather or not the chips overclock well, but during the tail end of a chips production I do believe that the quality of the chip gets worse. With my last 2 Q6700's they were max VIDS and crappy overclockers both bought last summer right when Intel quit making them. So if Intel plans or already has stoped production of the Q9650 then I think they will begin to ship more and more poor overclockers and less "golden" chips:eek:
agree...Quote:
Originally Posted by PortCitySlim
Is "low vid CPUs are not extreme overclockers" and "CPUs with stuck sensors are not good ones" myth true?
I have my E8600 with stuck sensors, 34°C-41°C are lowest temps it shows and has a mid-high range vid, but clocks and performs pretty good. My Q9650 has stuck sensors too (i think), but works good and clocks as well.
Does CoreTemp shows real vid?
#1. High VID chips tend to be harder to overclock up to a certain speed and then everything seems to even out, you either get a chip that needs tons of vcore to push 4.2ghz or a get a chip that hits 4.2ghz with low volts but at a cost of higher heat(Generally). As far as trying to overclock on air I would much rather have a lower VID chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGanG
#2. Stuck sensors do not have anything to do with overclocking, but it is very annoying not being able to read idle-mid load temps. Of course having a stuck sensor is a bad thing but not in the sense of overclockability.
#3. I would hope the latest version of Coretemp(0.99.4-64bit) would display the correct VID. When I get a chip even if it is a high VID I still try to overclock it before branding it a "lemon" there is always the chance a high VID chip will turn out to be a bad a$$.
Edit: I want to point out that the chip I had to RMA not only had stuck sensors but would not boot at > 450FSB no matter the volts. My motherboard/bios/ram should not be the problem because as we speak my Q6700 is running rock stable at 460FSB.
Got a 6* max FSB run?Quote:
Originally Posted by PortCitySlim
Thanks, got new CoreTemp now, trying at the moment.
My chip read the vid as 1.1 in coretemp on a p35 mobo, AND it defaulted to 1.1 Vcore. When I changed mobo's the vid and default Vcore went up to 1.225.
RealTemp reads mine as low vid 1.1 and high vid 1.225. Everest also reads my vid now @ 1.225. I'm running mine now @ 4.000ghz 9x multi. prime and intelburntest completely stable @ 1.3 Vcore bios and 1.264 Vcpu-z. Im sure that I can lower that a little, but i haven't tried yet. My problem is that one of my sensors (cpu0) reads almost 10c higher than the rest at full throttle.
That is kinda alarming really. Especially with intelBurnTest. That program scares the hell outta me. It will really heat up the cpu fast.
Even with the factory HSF on another mobo cpu0 was still a lot higher. So its not an issue with the seating of the HSF. I reseated it several times with both HSF's. Now I'm running a Big Typhoon and the temps across MOST of my sensors are about 60c at full throttle. I have a LC setup in the works. Im poor and have to wait till payday to get the last piece (cpu block). Right now the choice is a GTZ. Still kinda looking at a DTEK Fusion a little though.
All of my sensors read 37 degrees @ idle right now. Im not sure if they are stuck or not, i dont usually look at my idle temps. BUT they are the same @ idle. How can it be possible for one cpu to be 10c higher than the others when they are RIGHT next to each other. That seems like a really big difference really. im gonna play with RealTemp sensor test now. I dont have a clue what it is testing, but im gonna find out.
Apparently the difference is not so bad at lower tempuratures. How does this look to everyone else. Does yours look the same? My last chip (dual core) was almost the same temp across both cores and they "tracked" the same across the temp changes.
http://i40.tinypic.com/2jdn876.jpg
Have a look at the last 2 cores,,they are perfect. The EXACT same.
This is from one whose 9650 has stuck temps at 32/32/37/37. I think this rumor about overclockability is nothing but a rumor. My chip, which has a vid. of 1.250v overclocks like any other; on x48 mind you. There are too many variables when it comes to people's results that it is a mixed bag of chips when user tries to duplicate the results of another user; eg. user, cpu+board combo, ambient, rams, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by PortCitySlim
About your result, I believe you gave that pc too much volts; at least you may have gotten the voltages messed up somewhat. These chips without exception will do 450 fsb on the right board and with the right combination of volts. The stuck temp sucks, but the load temp is what matters. I never thought I'd see the day when a 4Ghz easy chip will get RMA'ed for being a poor clocker. :p:
This is not the first time Intel does that, wouldn't be surprised (Q6600, Q6700 etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
VID: 1.25v
Batch: L822B363
Room Temp: 26C
Bios: Ket's 1702 mBios
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=502538
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8...6cambieks4.jpg