ASUS P5W DH - Problems + Fixes Thread

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Originally Posted by jeffy

Has anyone of you unable to use EE multipliers complained to Asus? Have you written about tRD, tRFC or even AFUDOS issues? Thank you for sharing your experience.

Contacts:
http://www.asus.com/aboutasus.aspx?show=3

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Several times...me , and other people as well.

By the way...we went through this...they've been informed about this, and they showed us that they don't give a flying f*ck.

They just like releasing several boards ( with most of them being almost the same ) and after a month or two, abandon the 'real BIOS enhancement' and release...virtually new BIOSes.

Bad thing is...that there are no serious boards from the competition...gigabyte ? lol :D
MSI ? jesus!
Only Abit can do something, and I'd really like to see the IN9-32X Max being better than my Striker, so I can be a happy overclocker again!
The Abit is in the way to my house, so I'll find out soon :)

Well, it might sound ridiculous at first.

But I will ask anyway:
has anyone of you dissatisfied with Asus customer support, their handling issues in BIOS, their ignorance etc. tried contacting a hardware review web site like http://www.tomshardware.com
http://www.anandtech.com
http://www.techreport.com

and have them ask Asustek WHY do they do it and what are they WILLING to do for their customers' satisfaction? I think EVGA RMA case (search XS forums) shown something serious, if they don't want to listen... then the truth will come out and might cost them much more than a single customer. I own some of their boards (4, P5W DH Deluxe is one of them) and if this is not resolved, they have lost another customer. Why should you buy another P5B x-th revision, when they cannot fix an expensive one that you already have?

Thank you for sharing your opinions.

Well back to S939, DFI was a great competitor but now its all about Asus for core 2 duo. Anyway, I just hate that my ram can do 530 FSB 1:1 100% but it can barely do 435 FSB on the P5W.

^Nothing to do with your ram, it's the i975 northbridge that's holding it back, since they usually max out around that figure. You could still run your ram that quick using a divider, but obviously that would reduce performance considerably.

Can you increase the vmch anymore? Or if you're good at soldering you can have a go at the voltmods, the board responds very well to a little more voltage. My old one managed 480mhz fsb on 1.95v (real volts, not bios) :)

Hi, well after some exhaustive checks I can now state that my motherboard issues was down to a poorly made AC HSF not fully seating upon one of my CPU cores, and not down to any design flaws in the motherboard....
ChrisC

Just got my board voltmodded, but i'm running into a few probs already.

Firstly i was quite shocked by the amount of vdrop. After setting 1.85v in the bios, my dmm is reading 1.644v. This would explain why it was only reaching 440mhz max :)

Now i've got it set at 1.780v atm, 465mhz fsb is stable, but if i push the voltage any higher, it will freeze instantly. Is this some kind of OVP? If so, can it be dissabled? I had my old board to over 2v without probs.

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Originally Posted by infrared

Just got my board voltmodded, but i'm running into a few probs already.

Firstly i was quite shocked by the amount of vdrop. After setting 1.85v in the bios, my dmm is reading 1.644v. This would explain why it was only reaching 440mhz max :)

Now i've got it set at 1.780v atm, 465mhz fsb is stable, but if i push the voltage any higher, it will freeze instantly. Is this some kind of OVP? If so, can it be dissabled? I had my old board to over 2v without probs.

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Are you sure that you're reading the Vmch from the right point ? [ no offense ofcourse! :) ]
My P5Ws ( DH ) are quite on spot @ Vmch.

OVP should kick in after 2.05Vmch , not at 1.75V :D

Hmm, i think i'm measuring the right point. The right leg on the fet closest to the rt9214 chip right?

Ok, I'm not an Asus fanboy, my mb was the only available one at the store at the time of my purchase (don't like to wait, lol).

Anyway. I'm kind of tired of hearing everyone say. Asus better fix this, asus better fix that blah blah blah. 1601, 1701, 1801, etc etc.

If you have one of those bios and they work well for you, why should asus release a higher numbered bios to make you happy? There is no need.

This board was made to support 266 fsb, and now 333 officially as of 1901. period. Mine can do 400 stable. But there is not a guarantee for anything above 333. It was market as a DH motherboard, not an ROG. The main memory timings are there. When you go above 369 on mine SPD must be enabled. That is there for a reason I guess. For stability?

Anyway, as far as I know most, if not everyone, has a bios that works. All of this, I will never use Asus again nonsense is a joke. Next time do research and then by with the knowledge of knowing what you are getting and don't blame you lack of insight on the manufacturer.

/end rant.

^no one's complained for a couple of pages lol

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Originally Posted by crazyea

Ok, I'm not an Asus fanboy, my mb was the only available one at the store at the time of my purchase (don't like to wait, lol).

Anyway. I'm kind of tired of hearing everyone say. Asus better fix this, asus better fix that blah blah blah. 1601, 1701, 1801, etc etc.

If you have one of those bios and they work well for you, why should asus release a higher numbered bios to make you happy? There is no need.

This board was made to support 266 fsb, and now 333 officially as of 1901. period. Mine can do 400 stable. But there is not a guarantee for anything above 333. It was market as a DH motherboard, not an ROG. The main memory timings are there. When you go above 369 on mine SPD must be enabled. That is there for a reason I guess. For stability?

Anyway, as far as I know most, if not everyone, has a bios that works. All of this, I will never use Asus again nonsense is a joke. Next time do research and then by with the knowledge of knowing what you are getting and don't blame you lack of insight on the manufacturer.

/end rant.

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Edit: I didn't see the word "not" initially :D
You're saying that you're not a fanboy, but you're acting like a fanboy...

Fanboyism...
Have you ever thought of the bad things that come with fanboyism ? Guess not...

By the way, since most of the issues are BIOS related, and a motherboard manufacturer SHOULD fix their BIOS issues, addressing them with new BIOS releases, most ( if not all ) of these bugs should've been fixed already.

As for the RAM Timings & SPD...dude come on, is that your best ?
The SPD is not there for the reason that you think it is.
And this can't even get considered as an excuse for not including tRD & tRFC.
Also...if you like it that way, there are major FSB:DRAM ratios ( RAM "Dividers" ) that don't work on various occasions ( when they should be working ) and sometimes not all.

Closing this funny rant of yours, how 'bout the locked multipliers on Extreme Edition CPUs ?

Get serious...

Friendly,
BZ

All of what I hear from you is whining.

If the multis worked on EE's @ 1601, what is the reason you upgraded? IF it aint broke, don't fix it.

As far as I'm concerned the reasons posted against ASUS in here are nonsense as the board works the way it was advertised. IT is on you if you didn't research the board, not ASUS.

If you have a problem with this thread, do us a favor and clear off! This thread is designed for people to give each other advice on how to overcome the problems. And yes, there ARE problems. If you're happy with your board then great! I'm happy for you.

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Originally Posted by infrared

If you have a problem with this thread, do us a favor and clear off!

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Actually there is a wealth of knowledge in this thread. I just think it's silly threatening not to buy another board because of things that happen when using a board out of spec.

It's like telling your gf your gonna leave her if she doesn't stop :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing, but then you never do. :

ok, i'll agree with you there, it is quite amusing when people say that :)

But if Asus don't start taking notice of thier customers, they will undoubtedly begin to loose customers. It's not so much the product they've produced, but also the customer service, and after-sales support that's getting frustrating.

This board sure does own for memory bandwidth though!!

http://img.techpowerup.org/070308/Capture035.png

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Originally Posted by infrared

But if Asus don't start taking notice of thier customers, they will undoubtedly begin to loose customers. It's not so much the product they've produced, but also the customer service, and after-sales support that's getting frustrating.

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My last ASUS P3V4X didn't need a lot of attention. It did my PIII stuff just fine, and I never really bothered ASUS about it. I guess that's their 'consumer'-type board.

The P5W DH seems like an 'enthusiast' board, and it probably brings ASUS no end of headaches. So much so that they grow weary of complaints and move on to other boards in hope the complainers find one that works and shut up.

I know I'm in trouble trying to beat my enthusiast board into consumer-like submission, but it would help if just once ASUS had actually responded to my vMCH-related question like they did when I needed a BIOS update. This isn't encouraging me to stick with ASUS, but hasn't driven me away yet either...

hi, thing is, and we all know this will happen because it has so in the past. Asus will move on to newer motherboards and stop producing any bios updates at all. Look at the A8R32-MVP for example, a good motherboard, on paper, last bios update was in sept, and it took them a while to get any decent performance because of the issues it had out of the box, but it is still crocked...

Anyway, by that time I'm sure we will have moved on...
ChrisC

Asus/Gigabyte sells hundreds of thousands of motherboards annually. The number of software writers/engineers they have for updating BIOS versions for specific board must be based on populartity. Since we as Enthusiasts only account for an approximate 9% of company profits in motherboards (1% when you consider other products) it's not in Asus's best interest to conitnually update a BIOS for a board entering it's second year of production yet they have been and we should be grateful.

In fact they don't sell anything by improviing what you already paid for especially when they have already met and far surpassed the original specs and their obligations. When you consider your overcloking as high as 420 ~ 450FSB where prior to the Conroe, 300FSB was difficult with voltmodding, those of us complaining (and I am guilty of this myself) are not exactly poster-boys for gratitude.

I'm not saying as consumers we don't deserve service and as loyal repeat custmoers we don't deserve great service, but this is a company just like every other who most likely has no idea if you purchased three Asus boards every year for the last ten years, or this is your first. Why should your email be so important that someone should stop what their doing and begin writing BIOS for you or ME?

Point is the nature of this business is profits based on bulk, and if we are discontented with this think of how it would be to loose Asus right now? Even DFI is starting to fall behind in their "overclockability" . I ran out to get the NF590 for an Opteron 1212 and couldn;t gte the DFI to run the chip beyond 300FSB without pushing Vcore inotit, then Asus releases the 903 BIOS and I'm now running 320FSB like butta with absolutely no Vcore increase.

If your looking for an obsessive hobby which is highly technical and very DIY, try High End Audio. In that hobby you would have to purchase at least 25K in total hardware just to get into a mid level system, but you still wouldn't get the customer servce some are expecting on a $200 mobo. In Audiophile terms you would have to build a system around a 30k Loth X Silbatone Jl 300B integrated single ended power amp to get decent customer service and the respect of those who consider themselves knowledgeable (like some of the less humble on forums over the world).

If you were to compare the performance of our Asus P5W DH in the desktop DIY world to a power amplifier in the Audiophile world we would be the proud owners of a Wavac TH388 (monoblocs) using direct heated single ended 388-triode tubes. That will get you the service you want, of course this amplifier costs $350,000 for the monobloc pair and you don't get a suitecase like Tagan gives you with their 1KW PSU. Hell you can buy an Aston Martin for this much money and with the limited number of cars they make you would get better customer service there too.

Some say one of the best sounding tube amps on the planet (below).

http://www.wavac-audio.jp/pics/SH-833.jpg

http://www.chronoscape.net/images/misc/704wavac.2.jpg

Some say one of the best performing motherboards in the world (below),

Hope this puts it in some kind of perspective.....(:

http://www.3dnews.ru/_imgdata/img/2006/07/07/21554.jpg

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Originally Posted by Psitech

1901 was the worst bios to date for me. I'm content with 1707 for now. I'm with BenchZowner in wishing that Asus would actually listen to it's customers regarding this board. It's totally absurd that they can't/won't fix the upward multi's and add trd and trfc.

I wish I'd known that I wouldn't be able to see my ram's full potential with this board before I bought it. I would have either bought cheaper ram or most likely bought a different board. It's silly that a simple fix in the bios could fix this, but I guess Asus doesn't have time for their customers.

I can make them one promise. If this is never fixed, my next board will certainly not be an asus.

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Cheaper RAM?

I just bought and installed DDR 1066 for my P5W DH DLX and E6600 :eek:

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Originally Posted by infrared

Firstly i was quite shocked by the amount of vdrop. After setting 1.85v in the bios, my dmm is reading 1.644v. This would explain why it was only reaching 440mhz max :)

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nothing wrong with voltages, you are using to cheap dmm and measuring from a wrong place for a cheap dmm ;)

try these points:

http://alpha.frontier86.ee/~markku/975/vmch.jpg

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Originally Posted by Liquid3D

If your looking for an obsessive hobby which is highly technical and very DIY, try High End Audio. In that hobby you would have to purchase at least 25K in total hardware just to get into a mid level system, but you still wouldn't get the customer servce some are expecting on a $200 mobo. In Audiophile terms you would have to build a system around a 30k Loth X Silbatone Jl 300B integrated single ended power amp to get decent customer service and the respect of those who consider themselves knowledgeable (like some of the less humble on forums over the world).

If you were to compare the performance of our Asus P5W DH in the desktop DIY world to a power amplifier in the Audiophile world we would be the proud owners of a Wavac TH388 (monoblocs) using direct heated single ended 388-triode tubes. That will get you the service you want, of course this amplifier costs $350,000 for the monobloc pair and you don't get a suitecase like Tagan gives you with their 1KW PSU. Hell you can buy an Aston Martin for this much money and with the limited number of cars they make you would get better customer service there too.

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:cool: Strange comparison...
If I build a SE mono or integrated, I start with picking the transformers, mostly Lundahl (http://www.lundahl.se/). If I have a question, I mail of call them. And yes, they give answers and they offer sollutions.
As you know, a transformer is about the same price as a high end motherboard.
As most tubes are manufactured in China, Russia and the Slovak Republic, I try to get information about them too... JJ Electronics promptly replies, but all the others only blah commercial BS.
So I have a choice, I can take a lesser tubes with more support, or better tubes with no support at all...

Try contacting any motherboard manufacturer and you know they just don't answer. Or yes, they answer, but only blah and BS.

I also have a Musical Fidelity A3.1 integrated (cost about the same as a decent Conroe system). I asked the for measurement points and alignment procedures and guess what... They simply send it over...

Basically we are screwed, we will buy what we think is best and we should keep in mind that those motherboard manufacturers simply laugh at us and fill their pockets. It pisses me off, but it doesn't prevent me enjoying the P5W DH previously and now the P5WDG2 WS Pro;)

@liquid3d:
(no flaming, but please, get things straight)

They released the board around $400, Striker Extreme
Yet you should have a look at its list of BIOS fixes, section BIOS:
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131074)
http://support.asus.com/download/dow...iker%20Extreme

Would you buy a car/washing machine/TV/whatever with major problems?
Imagine this:
- a car won't slow down... BANG!!!
- a washing machine won't stop and won't set the temperature right - let's just throw the clothes away and pull the plug off the wall outlet!
- a TV will suddenly start shaking the picture up and down, yeah, I will watch it anyway :rofl:

Then why should you accept a premium priced board with so many bugs UNFIXED even at the time of release? When there are flaws, I expect ASUS to fix them with BIOS fixes. Are we just paying beta testers or what?

@crazyea
P5W DH Deluxe:
page 4-24 in manual: they are clearly speaking about manual adjustments with unlocked CPUs, aren't they? Why they removed them and why they in fact disabled your chance for taking the advantage of a $1000 worth CPU you paid for?

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Originally Posted by pH(x)

Cheaper RAM?

I just bought and installed DDR 1066 for my P5W DH DLX and E6600 :eek:

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Try actually using 1066mhz with your memory with any divider. You'll be in for a bit of a surprise. :)

Closest I've gotten was 950mhz with 4:5 ratio (380mhz cpu fsb).

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Originally Posted by caater

nothing wrong with voltages, you are using to cheap dmm and measuring from a wrong place for a cheap dmm ;)

try these points:

http://alpha.frontier86.ee/~markku/975/vmch.jpg

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lol, it's definatly not a 'cheap' dmm, but all the same, i was measuring from the wrong points. Thanks a lot caater :)

Ok, im having some trouble... Im getting random BSoD, Vista error reporting says its "CPU related" I switched out my Micron D9 ram for some non micro chips and it seems to have helped some... I mainly get BSoD when running dual prime / dual F@H, im prime stable for 6hrs + any ideas on what it could be? Im almost ready to replace the board with something different :( Also please dont just post around me this time..................

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Originally Posted by infrared

lol, it's definatly not a 'cheap' dmm, but all the same, i was measuring from the wrong points. Thanks a lot caater :)

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ok, not cheap, but not a trueRMS one :)
and if you don't have a trueRMS dmm, then measure those points for AC, if there is any present, then find another spot.

Ahh, now i understand what you mean. Cheers :)

hello.

I'm having problems with even mild overclocks, so I was hoping someone could tell me what settings to change.
I was able to do 9x350 @ 1.3375V with my E4300 and Gigabyte S-3 (Orthos stable 9+ Hrs), but I can't even get it stable for 1 min at 9x333 on the P5W no matter how many volts I throw at it (Vcore, FSB, MCH, ICH).

I created a thread with my BIOS screens here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=136875

Thanks.

Anybody have some problems with P5W DH rev 1.03g and XFX 8800GTX Rev 1.2 ????

What kind of problem?

@stratos2004:Do you mean the slow bios with 8800s?

Guys i'm looking for northbridge cooling and i considered if anyone used a cpu aircooler and make it fit there!:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by deadlock7

@stratos2004:Do you mean the slow bios with 8800s?

Guys i'm looking for northbridge cooling and i considered if anyone used a cpu aircooler and make it fit there!:rolleyes:

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ThermalRight HR-05 or Swiftech MCX-159CU.

Haven't tried a CPU Cooler, but most of them won't ( most likely ) [ and interfere with your CPU cooler ]

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Originally Posted by deadlock7

@stratos2004:Do you mean the slow bios with 8800s?:rolleyes:

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Yes but i have only this prob......:)

I prefer my Extreme Spirit II over both those :)

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Originally Posted by yobi

hello.

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:welcome:

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Originally Posted by stratos2004

Yes but i have only this prob......:)

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This is general problem with p5w+8800 series.I don't know if any of the new bios fixes it..;)

Thanks BenchZowner.I have these two on my mind and i prefer thermalright (although swiftech is cu).I wondered if someone managed to fit a cpu cooler,but i think that no one tried!:stick:

Hey all. I have BIOS 1901 installed, and have had this board since September. I have been through hours of overclocking experiments to see how fast I can get my e6700 but still have the system be STABLE. The stable part really adds the twist doesnt it? :mad:

Anyway, I can get the system to BOOT and run SUPERPI at 4.1GHZ (at a whopping 1.625 VCore), but as soon as I start dual prime, the system restarts (I beleive due to a temp thermal in the CPU).

I have noticed that if the CPU is hitting 60-62 (measured in coretemp while running dual prime95) for an extended period of time, it will restart. As with the 4.1GHZ start up, it went to 65-67 almost immediately, followed by an almost immediate restart, so it looks like my Computer will restart with temps at this level. This is odd to me, because I saw some people in this thread who have hit higher temps.

Is it normal to have the CPU thermal at this temp while under load?

Anyway, the hard part I have been playing with is getting the cpu enough volts, while keeping temps down. If the volts are too low, then one of the dual Prime95's gets an error and stops. If the volts are too high, it thermals.

Is this what you guys have run into as well? I have water cooling, and I thought it would do better. It sucks to know that if I had Phase cooling I would be running 4.1GHZ easy.

Anyway, I seem to have found a stable level at 3.76GHZ at 1.534 VCore (I know thats a lot). The temps hover at around 59C at full load, and it runs for like 6 hours no prob, which is fine with me because I cant imagine a time where I will ever have my CPU at 100% for six hours (I dont render 3d/video :P)

Also with the RAM, I can run it at 752Mhz @ 3-3-3-4-2 timings, and I can run it at 940MHZ (5:4) @ 4-4-4-4-2. I have found that each of these settings due to the timing difference between 3 and 4 yield almost IDENTICAL results in SuperPI.

So the Question is, which is easier on the Chipset? My guess would be keeping it at 1:1 @ 752MHZ @ 3-3-3. What do you guys think? Is one setting better for 3D games than the other?

Also, has anyone else hit this cooling/VCore battle and come out with some type of solution or hints? (Aside from getting phase cooling?)

My other settings are:
FSB Term Voltage = 1.4
MCH = 1.75
ICH = AUTO

I will attempt to lower these as well and test stability.

Sorry for the long post, and thanks for any info!

Hello again, just to answer my own question, running my ram at 940Mhz @ 4-4-4-4-2 was 15 points better on 3dMark06 than running the ram at 752Mhz @ 3-3-3-4-2.

ALSO, this is IMPORTANT for anyone who owns a 7950GX2: The most CURRENT drivers from nvidia's site are CRAP. I installed them and used their overclocking tool to set my card up to its previous OC, and I scored a 9055.

I installed my OLD drivers (91.47), ran the SAME test, and scored 10113!!!!!! Thats over ONE THOUSAND points better with a simple driver change. I dont know WHATS up with these new drivers, or whether it has something to do with the p5w (which I seriously doubt), but either way, get the old ones for your BEST performance.

:banana:

I'm having problems with the temps of my QX6700, as well. In fact, I had to revert from Scythe Ninja RevB to the stock cooler, which does much better! I RMA'd the Ninja, and will be giving next try when a new one arrives.

Anyway, for the 24/7 work, I'd like to keep the power savings setting in BIOS (SpeedStep, C1) so that the CPU only kicks when needed (right now it's working at some 1.14V and 1.8GHz, with fans almost stopped; when I do some HDV rendering it goes up to 3.10 GHz and the temps never exceed 75C). FSB at 310 MHz is the max I can get without increasing the Vcore from Auto (which is the only setting possible when using C1/SpeedStep). I have overclocked the RAM to some 466 MHz (5:5:5:18) at 2.20V (Geil DDR2-800). What I'd like to do is increase the FSB a bit higher, so that the overall system performance is better - if the CPU temps will get too high, I can go down with the multiplier to 9 or 8 (currently 10).

My questions:

1) which voltage settings (apart from RAM already at 2.20, and Vcore that I need to leave at Auto for the above reasons) should I change in order to assure stability with FSB = 333 or higher?

2) is it normal that Ai Booster shows Vmem higher that that entered in BIOS? When I want to run my Geil sticks at 466MHz 4:4:4:12, I need to enter 2.25V and then AiBooster shows zero (is if it was outside the range allowed, which worries me). With 2.20 in BIOS, AiBooster shows 2.30V (the max allowed by Geil). So, is it safe at 2.25V in the BIOS?

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Originally Posted by deadlock7

This is general problem with p5w+8800 series.I don't know if any of the new bios fixes it..;)

Thanks BenchZowner.I have these two on my mind and i prefer thermalright (although swiftech is cu).I wondered if someone managed to fit a cpu cooler,but i think that no one tried!:stick:

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Maybe a problem with the 8800 GTS and the board? I have never had any issues with my PNY 8800GTX for the life I've owned all equipment.

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Originally Posted by LordX

Anyway, I can get the system to BOOT and run SUPERPI at 4.1GHZ (at a whopping 1.625 VCore), but as soon as I start dual prime, the system restarts (I beleive due to a temp thermal in the CPU).

I have noticed that if the CPU is hitting 60-62 (measured in coretemp while running dual prime95) for an extended period of time, it will restart. As with the 4.1GHZ start up, it went to 65-67 almost immediately, followed by an almost immediate restart, so it looks like my Computer will restart with temps at this level. This is odd to me, because I saw some people in this thread who have hit higher temps.

Is it normal to have the CPU thermal at this temp while under load?

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I'm using a daily 1.61vcore and when I do my dual prime95's, I also see some heavy temperature increases as well. Normal idle is 46-50c, and normal 100% cpu load while rendering or gaming is 60-62c. When I prime95 my box, I'll get up to 70c. Because I know that we start to lose cpu life at 70c, I don't like to run it for very long. I'm like you though, when I am at an unstable setting, it'll reboot soon as it starts running.

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Originally Posted by LordX

Anyway, the hard part I have been playing with is getting the cpu enough volts, while keeping temps down. If the volts are too low, then one of the dual Prime95's gets an error and stops. If the volts are too high, it thermals.

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nod.

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Originally Posted by LordX

Is this what you guys have run into as well? I have water cooling, and I thought it would do better. It sucks to know that if I had Phase cooling I would be running 4.1GHZ easy.

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nod.

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Originally Posted by LordX

Anyway, I seem to have found a stable level at 3.76GHZ at 1.534 VCore (I know thats a lot). The temps hover at around 59C at full load, and it runs for like 6 hours no prob, which is fine with me because I cant imagine a time where I will ever have my CPU at 100% for six hours (I dont render 3d/video :P)

Also with the RAM, I can run it at 752Mhz @ 3-3-3-4-2 timings, and I can run it at 940MHZ (5:4) @ 4-4-4-4-2. I have found that each of these settings due to the timing difference between 3 and 4 yield almost IDENTICAL results in SuperPI.

So the Question is, which is easier on the Chipset? My guess would be keeping it at 1:1 @ 752MHZ @ 3-3-3. What do you guys think? Is one setting better for 3D games than the other?

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1:1 yields better mathematical results in synthetic benchmarks, however as you found out in your 3dmark06 testing, 4:5 will give you better overall gaming results.

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Originally Posted by LordX

Also, has anyone else hit this cooling/VCore battle and come out with some type of solution or hints? (Aside from getting phase cooling?)

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I have run into the same issue with water, and there isn't much we can do with active cooling that is limited by ambient temperatures. Phase is the best to get below zero, however peltier + water would be a good middleground as well.

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Originally Posted by LordX

Hello again, just to answer my own question, running my ram at 940Mhz @ 4-4-4-4-2 was 15 points better on 3dMark06 than running the ram at 752Mhz @ 3-3-3-4-2.

ALSO, this is IMPORTANT for anyone who owns a 7950GX2: The most CURRENT drivers from nvidia's site are CRAP. I installed them and used their overclocking tool to set my card up to its previous OC, and I scored a 9055.

I installed my OLD drivers (91.47), ran the SAME test, and scored 10113!!!!!! Thats over ONE THOUSAND points better with a simple driver change. I dont know WHATS up with these new drivers, or whether it has something to do with the p5w (which I seriously doubt), but either way, get the old ones for your BEST performance.

:banana:

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Note that this is only on the g7* series of cards. I've been updating on the 8800 series drivers and continue to get added performance as I move up the revision levels in drivers as well as motherboard bios's.

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Maybe a problem with the 8800 GTS and the board? I have never had any issues with my PNY 8800GTX for the life I've owned all equipment.

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Plug in any 8800GTX on a P5W DH Deluxe, and you'll get "laggy" BIOS ( during setup, etc ).
Try raising your FSB ( CPU Frequency according to asus :D ) fast, and you'll get the "laggy" BIOS issue.

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however peltier + water would be a good middleground as well.

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What is Peltier and where do I get it? Do I simply add this to the water in my reservior? How much?

Since I know nothing about it, is there another thread on these forums that you know that covers my basic questions?

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I'm having problems with the temps of my QX6700, as well. In fact, I had to revert from Scythe Ninja RevB to the stock cooler, which does much better! I RMA'd the Ninja, and will be giving next try when a new one arrives.

Anyway, for the 24/7 work, I'd like to keep the power savings setting in BIOS (SpeedStep, C1) so that the CPU only kicks when needed (right now it's working at some 1.14V and 1.8GHz, with fans almost stopped; when I do some HDV rendering it goes up to 3.10 GHz and the temps never exceed 75C). FSB at 310 MHz is the max I can get without increasing the Vcore from Auto (which is the only setting possible when using C1/SpeedStep). I have overclocked the RAM to some 466 MHz (5:5:5:18) at 2.20V (Geil DDR2-800). What I'd like to do is increase the FSB a bit higher, so that the overall system performance is better - if the CPU temps will get too high, I can go down with the multiplier to 9 or 8 (currently 10).

My questions:

1) which voltage settings (apart from RAM already at 2.20, and Vcore that I need to leave at Auto for the above reasons) should I change in order to assure stability with FSB = 333 or higher?

2) is it normal that Ai Booster shows Vmem higher that that entered in BIOS? When I want to run my Geil sticks at 466MHz 4:4:4:12, I need to enter 2.25V and then AiBooster shows zero (is if it was outside the range allowed, which worries me). With 2.20 in BIOS, AiBooster shows 2.30V (the max allowed by Geil). So, is it safe at 2.25V in the BIOS?

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1) vmch = 1.65, vfsb = 1.20, and of course, and most importantly, vcore. Unfortunately you're going to have to get off the Auto vcore and find a comfortable voltage that will get you a stable clock without getting your temperature too high.

2) Don't use AIBooster. It's buggy, crap software. I know speedfan shows some, but can't recall if it shows vfsb as well.. Another poster will have to verify, or recommend a better program.

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Plug in any 8800GTX on a P5W DH Deluxe, and you'll get "laggy" BIOS ( during setup, etc ).
Try raising your FSB ( CPU Frequency according to asus :D ) fast, and you'll get the "laggy" BIOS issue.

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Only place I'm "laggy" is on the fan screen in the bios. My FSB is @ 380.

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What is Peltier and where do I get it? Do I simply add this to the water in my reservior? How much?

Since I know nothing about it, is there another thread on these forums that you know that covers my basic questions?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peltier_effect

Peltier cooling is also known as thermoelectric cooling, and its basically using electricity to create a hot and cold side of a plate. There have been kits coming out recently that use water to help cool the "hot-side" of the peltier, which increases efficiency of your "cold-side".

Prior to the watercooling of the "hot-side", people had been limited to pretty extensive active-air cooling, which, while was ok, was not the best way to get rid of the heat.

I believe that anandtech just recently reviewed a couple of boxed peltier coolers, but you may want to check their site to be sure.

It's much easier and much more space conscious to go peltier than phase, since it requires only electric conversion equipment + pump/reservoir if you're going to use water to evacuate the heat, vs phase, where you need.. Well, a lot. :) There's a whole thread section on this site you can look at for that.

I took my P5W-DH down to the shooting range.. I put an end to all of the bs.

Im much happier with the Gigabyte 680i

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Originally Posted by nickfd

1) vmch = 1.65, vfsb = 1.20, and of course, and most importantly, vcore. Unfortunately you're going to have to get off the Auto vcore and find a comfortable voltage that will get you a stable clock without getting your temperature too high.

2) Don't use AIBooster. It's buggy, crap software. I know speedfan shows some, but can't recall if it shows vfsb as well.. Another poster will have to verify, or recommend a better program.

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Even with your suggested settings, 333 is no go with auto vCore! And I wanted to try increasing vCore, but I couldn't switch the C1E off (required); the only choice is Auto in BIOS 1901! Is it a known bug?

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I took my P5W-DH down to the shooting range.. I put an end to all of the bs.

Im much happier with the Gigabyte 680i

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You're back Haltech? :D

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Even with your suggested settings, 333 is no go with auto vCore! And I wanted to try increasing vCore, but I couldn't switch the C1E off (required); the only choice is Auto in BIOS 1901! Is it a known bug?

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Clear BIOS.

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Even with your suggested settings, 333 is no go with auto vCore! And I wanted to try increasing vCore, but I couldn't switch the C1E off (required); the only choice is Auto in BIOS 1901! Is it a known bug?

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Like I mentioned, you need to turn OFF auto vCore and set a voltage. A good starting point would be 1.45v, but with adequate cooling(water or intense air), you can probably begin with 1.60v and move your way down when you get a comfortable FSB.

The only settings you NEED to turn on in the cpu settings are Ratio Adjustment and Microcode update. Turn off the rest.

Resetting CMOS like geisher had mentioned may also be a smart idea.

hi guys, i have a question for you. What is the better bios for a qx6700 B1 S5? Now i have the 1201 but don't move multi and i have a big vdrop someone can you say me something? thank you

Hi, not had chance to use it yet ftp://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/s...e/BETA2004.zip
ChrisC

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Originally Posted by cuke2u

Hi, not had chance to use it yet ftp://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/s...e/BETA2004.zip
ChrisC

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Somebody please report back with BIOS Changes ( if there are any :D ), especially regarding the availability of "advanced" memory timings.

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hi guys, i have a question for you. What is the better bios for a qx6700 B1 S5? Now i have the 1201 but don't move multi and i have a big vdrop someone can you say me something? thank you

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As long as you need the upwards multipliers, stick with BIOS v1601.
As for the Vdroop, you can't do nothing ( except modding your motherboard :) )

Anyone have any trouble running an E4300? Im getting one soon just wanted to know :)

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Somebody please report back with BIOS Changes ( if there are any :D ), especially regarding the availability of "advanced" memory timings.

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Wishful thinking. Sorry, there is nothing different that I can see in there......

As of today Asus has posted 2004 beta BIOS on their FTP site. No information yet on the web.
ftp://ftp.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socke...20DH%20Deluxe/

Edit: oops. sorry. Didn't see someone already posted this.

thanks, but look 5 posts up. :)

What's with Asus, releasing bios after bios without any (major) changes? :confused:

Your right, it makes no sense at all. Support new cpu. LOL

Mirror: http://rapidshare.com/files/21062073...eluxe-2004.rar

Thanks for posting Cuke2u

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Hi, the link to the Asus FTP page is dead, you need to use this one ftp://dlsvr02.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/s...20DH%20Deluxe/
ChrisC

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ASUS TAIWAN FTP site UP again:banana:
ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so...20DH%20Deluxe/

2004 does what exactly??

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2004 does what exactly??

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Nothing!

P5WDH; Rev 1.02G (MCH 1.65 version); QX6700 @ 3.0G; FSB 300; OCZ2G10002GK
- sissy OC, but ultra-stable for work/home stuff

Updated BIOS from 2001 to 2004 using BIOS EZ FLASH 2 (ver 3)
- internal date: Mar 07, 2007
- no obvious changes from 2001
- fast flashdrive detect during EZ FLASH BIOS, as with 1901 and 2001
- slight buffered memory speed improvement, from 6023/6089 to 6148/6139 @ 500mhz memory bus; 3:5, Trc 21 (still not changeable)
- processor multiplier not tested this round
- no obvious change to idle or loaded temps

I have a probem of runing FSB 333Mhz with manual SPD timings. I have disabled HyperPath3. Im using a 4:5 divider.
My ram is team xtreem 4-4-4-10 at 400Mhz.

Is this normal or am I missing something ?

I'm using 2001 bios and it's taking forever to post and load Vista. Any ideas? Reset cmos?

Is anyone able to boot from USB flash drives using bios 1901 through to 2004 beta.

I have issues booting from USB flash drives using bios versions from 1901 > 2004 beta, using any of these bios versions i can no longer boot from USB flash drives, this is with the USB options in th bios set to "Auto", if i set the USB option to "Force FDD" it will boot from USB flash drives.

The thing is, with all bios versions from version 0701 > 1801 beta the "Auto" option for USB devices worked fine, with bios versions 1901 through to 2004 beta the "Auto" option no longer allows be to boot from USB flash drives.

Also with bios versions 1901 through to 2004 beta, if i try to use the Asus Crash Free Bios feature (Alt + F2) with a USB flash drive the system goes in to a loop searching for devices from which to recover the bios, i have renamed the bios file to "P5WDH.ROM" as instructed but the issues still persists, even after removing the motherboard battery and clearing CMOS many times.

As i said earlier, these issues have only started since bios version 1901 and above, so, something has changed from version 1901 and above for this to happen.

Any feedback appreciated, thanks!

No problems booting usb drive with 1901 here..

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As long as you need the upwards multipliers, stick with BIOS v1601.
As for the Vdroop, you can't do nothing ( except modding your motherboard :) )

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I have tried the 1601 bios but i have the ucode error i don't know what to do for unlock muliplier:(

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No problems booting usb drive with 1901 here..

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Is this with USB configuration set to "Auto" or "Forced FDD"?, i can boot from USB flash drives if i set it to "Forced FDD" but not "Auto".

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Is this with USB configuration set to "Auto" or "Forced FDD"?, i can boot from USB flash drives if i set it to "Forced FDD" but not "Auto".

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Well Forced FDD NEEDs to be on if you want to put as first boot device. But I don't need forced FDD enabled if I tap F8 at boot and select my usb key.

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Originally Posted by d.chatten

Is this with USB configuration set to "Auto" or "Forced FDD"?, i can boot from USB flash drives if i set it to "Forced FDD" but not "Auto".

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And the problem here is?........:p:

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And the problem here is?........:p:

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Did you even read my previous post? :(

My mobo won't boot from USB flash drives with bios 1901 and above when the USB config in the bios is set to "Auto", bios versions previous to 1901 where fine and booted flash drives without issue.

Hi, I need help

My configuration is:

E6600 / XP 120
P5WDH
Corsair XMS2 1066 2gb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145033
2x320gb Seagate sata 2
7900GT
Enermax 535w

The problem is with the memory or mother. I can't make 1000MHz 5 5 5 15 2T or more.

Have solution ?

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Hi, I need help

My configuration is:

E6600 / XP 120
P5WDH
Corsair XMS2 1066 2gb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145033
2x320gb Seagate sata 2
7900GT
Enermax 535w

The problem is with the memory or mother. I can't make 1000MHz 5 5 5 15 2T or more.

Have solution ?

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How do you enable 2T on this mobo? What voltage are you using? We need to know the rest of the settings and please refer to the first page before anything else.

Are there any new hardware revisions for this board after the 1.85V vMCH revision? :)

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Are there any new hardware revisions for this board after the 1.85V vMCH revision? :)

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I think the latest one is Rev 1.04G, but it has the same 1.85V vMCH.

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How do you enable 2T on this mobo? What voltage are you using? We need to know the rest of the settings and please refer to the first page before anything else.

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This mobo haven't option for command rate, the default is 2T

Voltaje 2.2v (default for this memos)

I read the first page, but the problem is the same.

Tried 2004 beta last night ...

Still no options for sub-memory timings
Still doesn't like my XMS2 6400 memory. Supposed to have 4-4-4-12 timings but when I set the FSB to be 400Mhz and SPD disable with manual memory timings it won't boot.
BIOS flash upgrade util works fine, like 2001.

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I think the latest one is Rev 1.04G, but it has the same 1.85V vMCH.

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I see.. Wonder if it has any hardware enhancements for Kentsfield, etc. :eh: Intel XBX1 and XBX2 had some changes in traces, wonder if it's the same for the 1.03G vs. 1.04G on the P5W.

IIRC the newer 975X chipsets are more rectangular in shape (only seen where the factory/year/week code is 36**), whereas the older ones are square (I've seen L5**). If I'm not wrong the rectangular ones can clock better with lower vMCH? The 975XBX2 should be using the rectangular ones. Could anyone confirm this?

http://resources.vr-zone.com/Shamino/badx2/20.jpg
XBX1's chipset vs. the XBX2's chipset

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I have tried the 1601 bios but i have the ucode error i don't know what to do for unlock muliplier:(

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To fix ucode error, enable microcode in your cpu settings. To unlock multiplier, it's the first option in that same screen.

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Originally Posted by pervi

This mobo haven't option for command rate, the default is 2T

Voltaje 2.2v (default for this memos)

I read the first page, but the problem is the same.

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I don't think so. 1T is the default. AFAIK only 680i mobos do 2T.

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Originally Posted by TWY

I see.. Wonder if it has any hardware enhancements for Kentsfield, etc. :eh: Intel XBX1 and XBX2 had some changes in traces, wonder if it's the same for the 1.03G vs. 1.04G on the P5W.

IIRC the newer 975X chipsets are more rectangular in shape (only seen where the factory/year/week code is 36**), whereas the older ones are square (I've seen L5**). If I'm not wrong the rectangular ones can clock better with lower vMCH? The 975XBX2 should be using the rectangular ones. Could anyone confirm this?

http://resources.vr-zone.com/Shamino/badx2/20.jpg
XBX1's chipset vs. the XBX2's chipset

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This post may coincide with what you're saying.

@nicepun:

Intel 965P/975X defaults to 2T Command Rate.

Hi all.
My mobo has behaved very nicely for almost 6 mnths now. Never experieced any issues with regard to RAM divider.

But suddenly the board has become unstable:
* sudden hangups (both during ingame and desktop/idle)
* RAM divider sets randomly at boot ( 266 / 333)
* Sometimes VERY hard to get to reboot (after a freeze)

In short, it looks like the board has gotten a mind of it's own lately..
Have a feeling this is a RAM related issue, but Memtest shows up nothing.

Maybe the droop-mod is starting to take it's toil:D

Any comments is higly appreciated.

Please, what is the best bios to use for overclocking ?

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Originally Posted by Phoenix_TT

Tried 2004 beta last night ...

Still no options for sub-memory timings
Still doesn't like my XMS2 6400 memory. Supposed to have 4-4-4-12 timings but when I set the FSB to be 400Mhz and SPD disable with manual memory timings it won't boot.
BIOS flash upgrade util works fine, like 2001.

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FGS, what is ASUS doing? I'm getting sick!
BIOS 1901, 2001, 2004 it's all b...s.iit.

Any other motherboard manufacturer who can beat ASUS-non-support-motherboard manufacturers?

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Please, what is the best bios to use for overclocking ?

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Answered many times before. There is no BEST BIOS for overclocking! Everyone's setup varies, personally I favour 1506, but that's not to say you will.

:)

lost most control of my fingers so pleaqe bear with me, it hurts like hell 2 type.

Does anyone know if this antec supply has had problems with the P5W DH mobo? it doesnt have the -5 volyt line. i spent time putting one in but it was bad (right outta the box) got the replacement. being bedridden, in constant pain and the use of one hand i want 2 make sure there is no problem the fact the -5 volt line isnt there. im not lasy its hell 4 me 2 use the little strength i have left but iwill do it if this supply will work with our mobo. already running a 500 but have plans 2 ass 2 more 500 giggers to my system from my DND-323 D-link nas drive box.

thank u


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Answered many times before. There is no BEST BIOS for overclocking! Everyone's setup varies, personally I favour 1506, but that's not to say you will.

:)

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Gee... I am still using 1503 ( have not been here for a while) I feel like a dinosaur- but it is still stable!

This huge thread is a testimony that this is great motherboard! :D

sparx

Bios 1602 was best overclocker for me.

I ve a question to the guys that claimed about the degrading performance problem.

What was your MCH and FSB (most important) voltages??

Is there a way to disable this Realtek HD Audio Manager with the onboard sound still working?

I see in control panel-software there are 2 Realtek programs installed, High Defenition audio driver package KB888111 and Realtek High Defenition Audio Driver.

Can i just uninstall one?

You could just manually delete the manager from program files or whatever and delete the entry from startup ;)

RTShaw
Have you read what Asus say about the -5v? http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx...Language=en-us
ChrisC

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Originally Posted by TWY

I see.. Wonder if it has any hardware enhancements for Kentsfield, etc. :eh: Intel XBX1 and XBX2 had some changes in traces, wonder if it's the same for the 1.03G vs. 1.04G on the P5W.

IIRC the newer 975X chipsets are more rectangular in shape (only seen where the factory/year/week code is 36**), whereas the older ones are square (I've seen L5**). If I'm not wrong the rectangular ones can clock better with lower vMCH? The 975XBX2 should be using the rectangular ones. Could anyone confirm this?

http://resources.vr-zone.com/Shamino/badx2/20.jpg
XBX1's chipset vs. the XBX2's chipset

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I´m new here, but i´m reading yours for a long time. My P5W is a 1.04G rev, 1.85v MCH and BX2. I´m using 1901. Is fine for me. No problems yet. My config is 400x8 1:1 with 6400 L629A817 with 1.35 in bios and 1.55v MCH. Stable in orthos and OCCT. I´m using 4 sticks KVR ECC with Promos IC´s.

Cheers...

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This post may coincide with what you're saying.

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Thanks! :D

I've been reading here for a while and just now it bothered me so much i decided to create an account...

Here is my config:

Asus P5W-DH Rev 1.04 Bios 1804. Removed covers for North and Southbridge. AS5.
C2D E6600 @ 3.402mhz (378x9) - 1.4375v. Zalman 7000B CU - AS5
Corsair XMS2 DDR800 @ 756 4-4-4-12 1.8v
Asus Radeon X1950Pro


I feel that my vcore is imuch higher than everyone else's at the same clock. If i put it down even just a bit it can't get stable in Orthos... With 1.435 i've gotten 24h Orthos stable. My E6600 is a L632B which are supposed to be pretty good for low voltage OC.

All other voltages not mentioned are in auto but I doubt this is related to vmch because most 1.04G can get 400fsb easily and I've tried raising my vmch and it didn't help.

My voltages after vdroop are 1.416 ~ 1.392 for idle and load.

I just want to lower this vcore because my cooler is pretty old and it really limits my OC. Changing coolers now is out of question as I just went bankrupt a few weeks ago :P

Any help will be appreciated :)