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09-15-2009, 06:29 AM
Calmatory

Simple. 188 W board power for HD 5870. Slap another GPU with 110 W TDP and you got 188 + 110 = 298 W board with two GPU's. :yepp:

Hehe, I am quite sure Nvidia architects have much, much more info and knowledge what to expect from AMD's new chips than anyone on this board. This includes Huang. They know what AMD can, and most probably will do with the chips. You can't surprise them.
09-15-2009, 06:32 AM
Mr. K6

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Originally Posted by SubZero.it

I understood, but mu question was...if 5870 is more efficient than the current genereation, how could be that the double chip uses more power instead??Or fudzilla is joking as always (that could really be), or they made a crappy power regulation that supplies the card...I mean...I don't know :D

Exactly my point - it doesn't make sense. I think this article is just crap to get hits :D.
09-15-2009, 06:47 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides

Today is the 15th, are we REALLY not going to have any reviews before release?

So early consumers will be blind buying?

yeah i really dont get it... there arent even any pictures from the press events and cards? wth? so what, the press was flown around to special vip events but they werent allowed to take pics or they arent allowed to show them yet? thats really retarded... :rolleyes:

why do you invite press to such an event and not anybody else? cause they spread infos and reviews to thousands of people... thats what they do, for money, but mostly for fun... right... so you do pick those people that CAN spread infos and cause some pr, spend quite some money on press events... but then dont allow them to show anything? :stick:

what genius is behind this please? :lol:
09-15-2009, 06:52 AM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by Kimi

I am thinking to buy a 5870 or 5850 for gaming instead of upgrading to a 1156 platform. Right now i have an E8400 E0 and a HD4870 512 MB. How much should I OC my E8400 so it won't bottleneck a 5870 or 5850? I use my PC for gaming, Internet browsing and watching movies. No program that require the power of a Quad. :)

*I use 1920x1080 resolution.

Buy a good air cooler OC to around 3.8-4.0Ghz, at this level you are around the performance of a 3.6-3.8Ghz i3.

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Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides

Today is the 15th, are we REALLY not going to have any reviews before release?

So early consumers will be blind buying?

We got benchmarks so early consumers are not blind buyers, the 5870 seems more or less like a 4870 x2 in performance. :up: There is still like a week for release maybe we will get a review sooner than one may think.

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Originally Posted by villa1n

On top of that FUDs solution is to use downclocked 5850 cores... highly unlikely since the cores are shader neutered this time around... I think FUD is adding numbers together and making up some news for hits because aside those leaked benches info is sparse.

lol, ya they took the nvidia's solution for the GTX 295 "2*GTX 275 instead of 2*GTX 285 aka asus mars :ROTF: " and applied it to ati's card. 5870 x2 with 5850 core's.
09-15-2009, 06:54 AM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by saaya

yeah i really dont get it... there arent even any pictures from the press events and cards? wth? so what, the press was flown around to special vip events but they werent allowed to take pics or they arent allowed to show them yet? thats really retarded... :rolleyes:

why do you invite press to such an event and not anybody else? cause they spread infos and reviews to thousands of people... thats what they do, for money, but mostly for fun... right... so you do pick those people that CAN spread infos and cause some pr, spend quite some money on press events... but then dont allow them to show anything? :stick:

what genius is behind this please? :lol:

Well just look around all the tech forums/news... mega hype with no solid numbers?... marketing staff dreamworld! :ROTF:

Its talked everywhere about it, but hardly anything is really known (beside some features and specifications) which leads to even more fuzz... till we finaly have solid numbers.
09-15-2009, 06:58 AM
mR Yellow

Do u guys know if this is gonna be a hard launch or just a paper launch?
09-15-2009, 07:09 AM
Gautam

No more AMD vs Intel.
09-15-2009, 07:13 AM
Dhiren

Found 5870 benchmark here. Don't know how reliable they are.

http://www.techpowerup.com/103786/Fi...s_Surface.html
09-15-2009, 07:31 AM
Frontl1ne

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Originally Posted by Dhiren

Found 5870 benchmark here. Don't know how reliable they are.

http://www.techpowerup.com/103786/Fi...s_Surface.html

Just had a skim through the comments on that page, I swear half of them are from nvidia fans.

The benchmarks look plausible, hadn't seen the comparison against the GTX295 before. Cheers :up:
09-15-2009, 07:36 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by Dhiren

Found 5870 benchmark here. Don't know how reliable they are.

http://www.techpowerup.com/103786/Fi...s_Surface.html

Already posted a while ago in this thread :).
09-15-2009, 07:55 AM
Jowy Atreides

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

We got benchmarks so early consumers are not blind buyers

Where?
The dude from chiphell with his overclocked card? (if he has one)
Or ATi's own charts which have games all with different re and AA settings using a percentage based system?

Neither say Jack about FPS of final cards.
09-15-2009, 07:58 AM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by mR Yellow

Do u guys know if this is gonna be a hard launch or just a paper launch?

All indications point to a semi-paper launch. It seems there may be some parts here and there but expect there to be real stock sometime in mid November. Think HD 4770 launch with less launch-date cards available. That should make for some interesting threads on Slickdeals with people hunting down the cards. However, since they will probably be as popular as Meagan Fox performing in a strip show, if stock is found, people shouldn't debate whether they want it or not. ;)
09-15-2009, 08:04 AM
annihilat0r

Mid November? That sucks
09-15-2009, 08:11 AM
Origin_Unknown

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

However, since they will probably be as popular as Meagan Fox performing in a strip show,

:rofl:
09-15-2009, 08:21 AM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Mid November? That sucks

We will see if that comes to be. Maybe I am wrong and TSMC will kick things into high gear in the blink of an eye. You never know... ;)
09-15-2009, 08:22 AM
SubZero.it

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Originally Posted by Calmatory

Simple. 188 W board power for HD 5870. Slap another GPU with 110 W TDP and you got 188 + 110 = 298 W board with two GPU's. :yepp:

Hehe, I am quite sure Nvidia architects have much, much more info and knowledge what to expect from AMD's new chips than anyone on this board. This includes Huang. They know what AMD can, and most probably will do with the chips. You can't surprise them.

This makes more sense :)
09-15-2009, 08:28 AM
Helloworld_98

Hey, I was wondering if the 5870 would be enough of an upgrade vs dual 4850's @ 685MHz?

or should I wait it out for the 5870 X2, bear in mind I have an Antec 300 case.
09-15-2009, 08:30 AM
Jamesrt2004

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

Hey, I was wondering if the 5870 would be enough of an upgrade vs dual 4850's @ 685MHz?

or should I wait it out for the 5870 X2, bear in mind I have an Antec 300 case.

uh just get single card, 5870 will be an upgrade yes, x2 cards are ew tho
09-15-2009, 08:35 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Well just look around all the tech forums/news... mega hype with no solid numbers?... marketing staff dreamworld! :ROTF:

Its talked everywhere about it, but hardly anything is really known (beside some features and specifications) which leads to even more fuzz... till we finaly have solid numbers.

thats not the marketing staffs dreamworld... not if they are half decent marketing people at least...
the marketing staffs dreamworld is people not knowing the specs but thinking they know the product is awesome...

right now everybody has a good idea of the specs but nobody knows how good the product really is... its exactly the opposite of what youd want as a marketing employee...

the current situation is perfect for people who love to feel special for knowing something others dont, and having something others dont, you know, those 007 wannabe loosers :D

seriously... either stfu or do a hard launch or a paper launch, but dont do a press only paper launch followed by a public semi paper launch followed by a propper actual hard launch... i dont see anybody really excited about 5xxx, all this holding back of the specs and propper infos is just annoying people and not getting them excited... and by stretching the whole launch this much it really loses momentum... it should be one big bang and then followed by some more good pr... thats good marketing... not infos slowly showing up one new info a week for months and then a few cards showing up, and then some more, and then some more... thats the most boring prouct launch i can think of...

the current situation is this:
there might be something good... in 2 weeks... or maybe 6 weeks... possibly for a good price... or maybe not...

yeah, thats def a reason to be excited :P
09-15-2009, 08:47 AM
FischOderAal

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

All indications point to a semi-paper launch. It seems there may be some parts here and there but expect there to be real stock sometime in mid November. Think HD 4770 launch with less launch-date cards available.

Um. HD-4770 has a good supply now and TSMC's process seems to have improved. Why should RV870 have such a struggle like RV740?
09-15-2009, 08:47 AM
Final8ty

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Originally Posted by saaya

seriously... either stfu or do a hard launch or a paper launch, but dont do a press only paper launch followed by a public semi paper launch followed by a propper actual hard launch... i dont see anybody really excited about 5xxx, all this holding back of the specs and propper infos is just annoying people and not getting them excited...

Speak for yourself. :D
09-15-2009, 09:02 AM
MirageSys

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

We will see if that comes to be. Maybe I am wrong and TSMC will kick things into high gear in the blink of an eye. You never know... ;)

Digitimes had reported that TSMC will be increasing their output of 12 inch wafers for 40 nm to 40,000 per month from 30,000 per month.

It would seem they are already producing quite a bit. Unfortunately the article is no longer public any more, however ill link the section.

http://www.digitimes.com/topic/bits+chips/

It had been posted september 11th
09-15-2009, 09:08 AM
Sh1tyMcGee

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

thats not the marketing staffs dreamworld... not if they are half decent marketing people at least...
the marketing staffs dreamworld is people not knowing the specs but thinking they know the product is awesome...

right now everybody has a good idea of the specs but nobody knows how good the product really is... its exactly the opposite of what youd want as a marketing employee...

the current situation is perfect for people who love to feel special for knowing something others dont, and having something others dont, you know, those 007 wannabe loosers :D

seriously... either stfu or do a hard launch or a paper launch, but dont do a press only paper launch followed by a public semi paper launch followed by a propper actual hard launch... i dont see anybody really excited about 5xxx, all this holding back of the specs and propper infos is just annoying people and not getting them excited... and by stretching the whole launch this much it really loses momentum... it should be one big bang and then followed by some more good pr... thats good marketing... not infos slowly showing up one new info a week for months and then a few cards showing up, and then some more, and then some more... thats the most boring prouct launch i can think of...

the current situation is this:
there might be something good... in 2 weeks... or maybe 6 weeks... possibly for a good price... or maybe not...

yeah, thats def a reason to be excited :P

IM with you on this Saaya, Teasing people is just stupid, they started this way too early without being able to deliver, just like the Corsair Obsidian, if you dont have a product to sell to customers, dont show it off intill you have proper stock. :down:
09-15-2009, 09:23 AM
SimBy

Comparison animation with G80's 16xAF HQ pattern:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...postcount=3179
09-15-2009, 09:29 AM
eleeter

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKYMTL

All indications point to a semi-paper launch. It seems there may be some parts here and there but expect there to be real stock sometime in mid November. Think HD 4770 launch with less launch-date cards available.

Where are you getting this information? Or are you basing purely on guess work extrapolated from the 4770 situation?

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