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01-16-2010, 01:17 AM
neliz

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

All we have to wait for is the 5890, if one still does not want to wait you can still get 5870 @ 1ghz factory OCed which is exactly what i am gonna do if the GF100 is not released in end of Jan or start of Feb.

Congratulations on your MSI HD5870 Lightning / Gigabyte HD5870 Super OC! :clap::eleph:
Enjoy the fastest single GPU card on the planet for the rest of the first half of this year!

edit: except for the last month, maybe.
01-16-2010, 02:28 AM
zerazax

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

I think clocks will be more decisive than shader count. I don't believe there's gonna be a linear increase from 448 shaders to 512. But then if yields are so bad that you can't manufacture a 512 shader product, chances are that clocks won't be so great either.

Exactly

And I think at this point anyways, if Nvidia is still deciding on clocks, I wouldn't be surprised if the shader count isn't set so a GTX 360/380 naming scheme might be pointless to argue about

This card feels a lot like GT200... as in it's great performance, but it won't shine until the refresh/when yields are better (a'la GTX280 -> GTX 285)
01-16-2010, 02:31 AM
annihilat0r

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Originally Posted by neliz

Congratulations on your MSI HD5870 Lightning / Gigabyte HD5870 Super OC! :clap::eleph:
Enjoy the fastest single GPU card on the planet for the rest of the first half of this year!

edit: except for the last month, maybe.

You believe a 1ghz Cypress will outperform a GTX 380? This sounds more like wishful thinking from an AMD executive. From 850 to 1000 you get at best 15% performance increase which shouldn't be enough to bring down GTX 380.

Of course, if you mean GTX 380 won't come out till November, then...
01-16-2010, 04:32 AM
RPGWiZaRD

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Of course, it would be awesome if it was the 360, but deep down in our hearts we all know it's the 380 :D

Speak for yourself :p:, I really think this is the GTX 360, as I've predicted GTX 380 to be like 10% slower than HD 5970, I've also predicted GTX 360 to be like 10~15% faster than HD 5870 due to the rather laid back amount SPs (why nvidia will release an updated GTX 360 with slightly higher SPs later when HD 5890 arrives so it will keep that slight edge over the competitor in performance. I don't think if these results are GTX 360 would be anything special, it's what nvidia needs at minimum to be somewhat successful competing with a big chip that has to be priced high (if GTX 360 had been like 20~30% faster I'd see it as an awesome achievement) so it can be priced at $399 which I think is the targeted launch price for GTX 360. GTX 380 I'd expect to have $599 ~ $649 in MSRP which will probably drive HD 5970 costs down a 50~$100 rather quickly.
01-16-2010, 04:35 AM
annihilat0r

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

Speak for yourself :p:, I really think this is the GTX 360, as I've predicted GTX 380 to be like 10% slower than HD 5970, I've also predicted GTX 360 to be like 10~15% faster than HD 5870 due to the rather laid back amount SPs (why nvidia will release an updated GTX 360 with slightly higher SPs later when HD 5890 arrives so it will keep that slight edge over the competitor in performance. I don't think if these results are GTX 360 would be anything special, it's what nvidia needs at minimum so it can be priced at $399 which I think is the targeted launch price for GTX 360. GTX 380 I'd expect to have $549 ~ $649 in MSRP.

Well if you're talking about a GTX 380 that's 10% slower than a HD5970 and a GTX 360 that's 15% faster than a 5870 then there's very little difference between those cards anyway. 5970 is 140x when 5870 is 100x, so your estimates put GTX 360 at 115x and GTX 380 at 125x, which puts the difference between 360 and 380 at 7 percent. I don't think that's possible.

If the card in question is indeed 360, I would say that 380 would be at least head to head with 5970 which I believe will not be the case.
01-16-2010, 04:36 AM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

You believe a 1ghz Cypress will outperform a GTX 380? This sounds more like wishful thinking from an AMD executive. From 850 to 1000 you get at best 15% performance increase which shouldn't be enough to bring down GTX 380.

Of course, if you mean GTX 380 won't come out till November, then...

I think he is saying that gf100 will not come out by Jan last or feb first week.
01-16-2010, 04:39 AM
annihilat0r

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

I think he is saying that gf100 will not come out by Jan last or feb first week.

yeah but that still doesn't put the gf100 release date at november does it :p:
01-16-2010, 04:41 AM
RPGWiZaRD

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Well if you're talking about a GTX 380 that's 10% slower than a HD5970 and a GTX 360 that's 15% faster than a 5870 then there's very little difference between those cards anyway. 5970 is 140x when 5870 is 100x, so your estimates put GTX 360 at 115x and GTX 380 at 125x, which puts the difference between 360 and 380 at 7 percent. I don't think that's possible.

If the card in question is indeed 360, I would say that 380 would be at least head to head with 5970 which I believe will not be the case.

Isn't HD 5970 more like 50~70% faster than HD 5870? That's roughly what I assumed at least. I know there's these games where it doesn't give any huge benefit due to lack of proper driver support but those should be discluded.
01-16-2010, 04:41 AM
ajaidev

Well ya it does not but full availability will be around mid-late Q2
01-16-2010, 05:04 AM
annihilat0r

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

Well ya it does not but full availability will be around mid-late Q2

hmm. and is this correct? Cos from what I heard, both 380 and 360 would be available@launch
01-16-2010, 05:11 AM
neliz

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

yeah but that still doesn't put the gf100 release date at november does it :p:

show me where I said november? I said first half of 2010. a 395 won't show up in stores until H2.

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

hmm. and is this correct? Cos from what I heard, both 380 and 360 would be available@launch

Launch is currently in March. nvidia doesn't do hard launches anymore so put that availability mid of April, somewhere in May sounds way more reasonable for any real retail availability.

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

You believe a 1ghz Cypress will outperform a GTX 380?

Not in most circumstances, though I do believe the difference won't be enough to justify a $100 price difference.

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This sounds more like wishful thinking from an AMD executive. From 850 to 1000 you get at best 15% performance increase which shouldn't be enough to bring down GTX 380.

I am pretty confident that AMD knows the performance of GF100 and even they will tell you that GF100 has to be faster.

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Of course, if you mean GTX 380 won't come out till November, then...

Ofcourse I don't mean that...It'll be a whole different world come November
01-16-2010, 05:34 AM
blob

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Originally Posted by jaredpace

If it's a 448 shader Fermi, then everyone is in for a treat. just noticed the GF100 84fps result says 01/10/2010 and the gtx285 50fps says 01/13/2010.

Look closer it's 01/10/2010 and 01/13/2002:shrug:
01-16-2010, 05:56 AM
annihilat0r

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Originally Posted by neliz

show me where I said november? I said first half of 2010. a 395 won't show up in stores until H2.

Launch is currently in March. nvidia doesn't do hard launches anymore so put that availability mid of April, somewhere in May sounds way more reasonable for any real retail availability.

Not in most circumstances, though I do believe the difference won't be enough to justify a $100 price difference.

I am pretty confident that AMD knows the performance of GF100 and even they will tell you that GF100 has to be faster.

Ofcourse I don't mean that...It'll be a whole different world come November

well great and all that but you don't seem to be following what you yourself have said. You said that a 1ghz Cypress would be the fastest single gpu card for the whole of 2010, and my reply was based on that claim.

edit: oops... you said first HALF, I got it as whole 2010, sorry, my bad
01-16-2010, 05:59 AM
eric66

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Originally Posted by blob

Look closer it's 01/10/2010 and 01/13/2002:shrug:

so they tested against fx series :ROTF: ironic
01-16-2010, 06:32 AM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by blob

Look closer it's 01/10/2010 and 01/13/2002:shrug:

Yep its 2002 i also saw that yesterday but its really meaning less. I am sure nvidia had noting that could do that high FPS around 2002 :D or maybe a FX5999 "supper leaf blower edition"
01-16-2010, 09:45 AM
WeeMaan

So when is the NDA over?? Just "sunday" is rather vague.
Sunday in what timezone?
01-16-2010, 09:59 AM
Sumanji

There is probably an NDA for the expiration of the actual NDA :p:
01-16-2010, 10:55 AM
WeeMaan

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Originally Posted by Sumanji

There is probably an NDA for the expiration of the actual NDA :p:

Yeah well, in 3 hours it's sunday here in Finland so we'll see what happens.
I know for sure a swedish site (sweclockers) will release info on sunday and thats in 4 hours there.

But if it indeed is sunday east coust US then it's a long wait. :p:
01-16-2010, 10:59 AM
neliz

well.. 4 hours to go here too.. wonder if I should be the first to posts the full specs of GF100/GF104 or not.. before the NDA lifts.
01-16-2010, 10:59 AM
Luka_Aveiro

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Originally Posted by neliz

well.. 4 hours to go here too.. wonder if I should be the first to posts the full specs of GF100/GF104 or not..

Yeah, why not... :welcome:
01-16-2010, 11:00 AM
neliz

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Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro

Yeah, why not... :welcome:

I just PM'ed some to annihilat0r, Maybe I'll feel better after taking a warm tub.. brb.
01-16-2010, 11:01 AM
Nightcover

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Originally Posted by neliz

well.. 4 hours to go here too.. wonder if I should be the first to posts the full specs of GF100/GF104 or not.. before the NDA lifts.

Please do that :)
01-16-2010, 11:07 AM
Aerwidh

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Originally Posted by neliz

well.. 4 hours to go here too.. wonder if I should be the first to posts the full specs of GF100/GF104 or not.. before the NDA lifts.

Yes, please :D
01-16-2010, 11:21 AM
ajaidev

Its 1am here lol 17th is here
01-16-2010, 11:53 AM
Manicdan

someone pls post something

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