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It's not the processor i'm worried about. I'm pissed off that they charged me 2~ weeks before they even had any in-stock. What the hell? They could've at least put the charge on hold or something instead of instantly taking it out of my account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mako88
Sure i'll take one of your Conroes if it's for free :D
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Originally Posted by brentpresley
You should have directed this to Scottfern. It's his opinion, not mine. What I said was dripping with sarcasm. Read it again.
I happen to agree with you.
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Originally Posted by brentpresley
That'll make a nice temperary STICKY:D Great Job man
Well.. What was said above might be true, it doesn't really mean anything, sorry. Business is a business. If you happen to be in a business who deals with clients you will know. Hah.. Well, say if I couldn't meet the deadline for whatever reason (sure they are all legit) and told a client to be patient and grow up.. :D Chances are not only you would lose the deal (therefore whatever you've invested on the job to that point) but you wouldn't see that client again. Of course the client has friends in the circle and other clients might hear about it.
So the bottom line is that Intel paper-launched. (Wait - before you go on to exaplain what paper-launch really is according to the dictionary - I'm not into semantics, thank you. If you don't think it's a paper-launch then that's fine with me. Let it go please)
1. They "showed off" or "leaked" about upcoming processors and their performance half a year ago. (which was unprecedented in Intel history)
2. Of course they did it because they were losing market share to Opterons. They had to stop it at all cost.
3. Then they officially "launched" them on July 14th, with much of fanfare and apprent traces of A LOT of marketing dollars.
4. They went on to say "These chips will available on 27th"
5. In the meantime the head of company proudly stated "We'll make a million of these over next 7 weeks!" (more on this later)
6. Between 7/14 and 7/27, OEMs started taking orders and retailers started advertising "Coming 7/27 the 2nd coming of Jesus!"
7. Customers anxiously rushed to stores on 27th only to find "available on 8/7", "usually shipping in 10~15 days".
8. In the meantime their excuses leaked here and there. "Giving shops time to stock" "Giving OEMs chance to sell" "Giving Steve Jobs an honor for his keynote"
9. Also at the same time some stores and individuals sell a few here and there for outrageous prices.
10. Only a couple days ahead from the promised 8/7, we're hearing a different story.
If you think the above described is a legitimate business practice, I have nothing else to say. Through the procedure many got hurt. Individuals and small business, not to mention AMD and Intel itself. But of course Intel can afford such temporary damage since they've got money and size.
Oh and 1M chips (which will be divided to Server/Desktop/Mobile market, and of course Dell and Apple get the first treat) in 7 weeks? I couldn't help but laugh when I heard that. Google how many chips Intel makes average in 7 weeks.
(Hint: 02x) ;)
BTW I already have an E6300 and now waiting for an E6400, which I will receive on Monday.
Thank you Lopri for explaining it the way I couldn't! :)
Oh well this is just lovely...
I preordered 6700 from Monarch because the price was unbeatable and no CA tax, 575 shipped 2day fedex by August 14th.
Now it says
"Hot New Item! Due to increased demand we expect all pre-orders to ship on or before August 31st.
If this date is to change, you will be emailed directly."
This changed from August 14th to August 31st, and i was NOT emailed.
Now i have to deal with cancelling an order from Monarch, and the last time i did it took over 3 months to get the refund.
VERY UPSET.
Will have to try the old Haltech method on them... definitely not taking any more crap from them.
^ just read some reviews on Monarch, didnt look good at all :(
It sucks because the majority of etailers are in California, I'm trying to save some $$ on tax too. I'll see what monday will bring...
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Originally Posted by Absolute_0
i hate monarch and have delt with them before. They suck when it comes to customer services and prices oh i forgot to mention order times.
Do yourself a favor and order from newegg or zipzoom fly
clubit didn't require a signature for my e6400 at my request, which was nice... it was just left at the door. This was one reason I choose them over blt, monarch, and others... their insistance that somebody be at the door IN PERSON to sign for it simply wasn't possible.
edit... i noticed they raised the price on it by twenty dollars.. interesting. There are those here still insistant that they'll be able to get their e6600 for 319 with free shipping... good luck!
I'm just glad I've got mine now, at a good price, and it's over with, and it appears the sky's the limit for this puppy.
http://www.netaffilia.com/ad/electro.../04/18496.html
Not exactly how good of a deal that is but it is promising that we will be seeing combo deals from frys on these.
Monarch's Resellerrating has been pretty bad the last 6 months. I've shopped without incident with them several times. The one time I had to pick up the phone and speak with them did not inspire confidence.
That depends. The people you talk too on the phone don't have that much power and don't make that much money. Piss one off enough and they might cancel your order when you get off the phone. They really don't have that much to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by brentpresley
Eric
Is the E6400 really such a good value? It has a pretty low multiplier. For anyone to reach 4gig, they would need a 500fsb, which none of the boards will do right now. I think the best overclocker's friend is the E6600 that's why I'm holding out for it.
Hello? Are we talking about same thing here?
1. You keep talking about technological difficulties regarding production while that's not what I said neither by others. Yes, Yes, you can talk about them forever but to me they're all excuses. And I have no interest in their difficulties because that's not what they said to begin with. (Not that that's what they're talking right now.. are they?) If you were not ready, you shouldn't have made such bold comments nor shouldn't have pulled such an unfair and unfortunate act. Remember this is the FIRST TIME Intel did this. They also know this is not the right way but they had no choice. (Opterons)
2. So you and I agree with the paper-launch. Thank you. (Ha.. btw I think it's funny that you saying "it's not an excuse but I'm just saying" then highlight it) Being not the first company doesn't make it inappropriate? I don't think so. You don't have to drag down other companies because we're all aware of it and they paid their share. Only reason Intel can get away with this is, like I said, because they're a global monopoly. Do you know a company who advertised those "Das-Keyboard" or something? A keyboard which supposedly have programmable individual keys. Well when they first came out it was interesting, but after many unfulfilled promosed launch, they now say they'll start selling special "3-key pad" (instead of full 108-key keyboard) for $100. Even that's not out for sale but I doubt many would buy.
What I'm trying to say is you brought up two points (1. It's hard to make them 2. Other companies did it too!) but unfortunately neither of them is relevant to my post. And I never overestimated 1M chips. Mr. Paul Otellini did. Read my post again I was laughing when I heard about it first becasue I know Intel make prob. more than 20 million chips in 7 weeks. And unfortunately many people don't know that. People just go "wow" ,"1M Chips!","OH-SO-MANY" and that kind of false sense of reality is probably what he was targetting, especially when dealing with mass-media.
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl
You're saying that Intel is going to cancel the 1000's of stocking order's they've recieved and renegotiate price after the launch???
Has it ocurred to you that the price gouging is comming from resellers that have already bought the product from Intel???
By Intel trying to delay the release to 8/7 they are accomplishing the exact oposite. Giving time to prime the channel and get all the players at the starting gate at the same time. That minimizes price gouging.
Shees, no-one has any concept of HVM. New products are always a ramp vs. a step function. C2D is the fastest ramp in their history, however they have to supply the entire planet. Intel doesn't have some big switch they throw that magically transforms Pentiums into Conroes.
I find it odd how pretty much everything else has been available but the 6600. Retails are slim to none and I've only seen a couple people post they had one. I pre-ordered from ShopBLT now they say the 28th for everything else? :confused: le sigh.
OK This is the summary.
Intel pre-maturely announced a product to stop their competitor from taking their marketshare away. Instead of come out clean and explain (or even make excuses), they keep trying to deceive the industry and customers. Of course with marketing dollars. In the meantime the products are being pushed back again and again, and customers are getting f**d. Of course Intel can do this thanks to their market status and capital. (Had a company been competeing against 3~4 companies of similar size and resources, and it pulled out this type of paper launch, it'd suffer from a serious backlash.)
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Originally Posted by ewitte
Sounds like a company that should rott in hell
IT is really weird, i thought the x6800 was coming in on the 4th of August, now its been pushed to the 16th of august.....Quote:
Originally Posted by kidstechno
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/...R_ID=568420581
I wonder where the holdup is.
yea on my preorder from east luna for a e6700 was eta on the 4th now its pushed back to the 11th
is clubit out of stock? If not why aren't you ordering from there?? I don't get it, really I just don't get this bickering (online chains not having C2D in stock) when a online retailer has them in stock. I just checked and they do have C2D in stock...what's the problem here?
I think they might be, (e6600) and according to the email they sent me 2 days ago, I'm not convinced they ever had them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Looks like I made a good decsion paying a little extra ordering from ZZF and getting my E6300 last Monday because there is a lot of confusion.
I purchased rfom clubit and had no problem at all.