it lookes a little like the card is being bent, but its non the less really nice..
it lookes a little like the card is being bent, but its non the less really nice..
What card? I haven't posted any pics of any cards yet? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by krullet
oh yeah! we love pictures!!!!! :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by gocchin
I believe krullet posted in the wrong section.
Yay pictures! ^^
So are you finished putting the rig together....
if so how are your temps? are you pleased with performance?
BTW what cpu and gpu are you cooling???
Spent the whole day putting things together and here is my feedback... (pics tomorrow since I gotta hit the sack after this)...
P180 is a tight fit for watercooling but it works... :) The thing weights a ton. After I finished working on it in the basement, it was a workout carrying it back up to the 2nd floor. Front firewire and audio access is a joke for DFI mobo... the cables would have to go across the mobo so I didn't install... extra drive bay covers are way too flimsy.
Masterkleer is where it's at, bends like hell, seals air tight, crystal clear, and did I mention it bends like hell??
PA160 rocks. I decided to go ultra quiet over perfomance and went with two Nexus fans. The system is silent... the loudest thing is the nf4 chipset fan (of course)... I thought the weaker Nexus would be a problem but no.... X2 4600+ @ 1.42v 10x280 w/ 2gb gskill idle 28C, dual prime load 36C with a gpu in the loop (YES with a SINGLE nexus fan on the rad and one for case exhaust). However looks like a fan over pwmic would be nice...
DO NOT attach the pump to the case... AQX 50z on neoprene... can't hear it at all.
Edit April 15th:
Here are some pics... iRam installed later today :)
http://www.jpop.com/gocchin/pa180i.jpg
Sounds cool. Can't wait to see the pics of the finished product!:toast:
Interesting. I found that hte front bay covers pretty much sucked (one popped out during shipment to me). I will have to see about the cables for the mobo. I guess its a stark contrast to the PC-201B which has ample length for pretty much any mobo.Quote:
Originally Posted by gocchin
Added pics 3 posts above.... :)
Will install the iRam for hopefully speedy boots and zero sound today (i can't hear the hard drives in the P180 anyway :) )
I dont think the cables are too short for the DFI board...I think it is just that the DFI board has the most awful placement of the connectors that you need this nasty gray cable going all the way across the mobo. At least that is the reason why I too left out my firewire connector
Yeah that's exactly what I meant, they're not too short... they just look terrible going across the board... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Erasmus354
Gocchin:
:toast: :banana: :banana:
Absolutely awesome pictorial...very sweet temps :clap:
Do you think cutting out the fan grill (in front of the upper HDD cage helped??) what about the lower HDD cage?
what gpu are you cooling???
Why the AQX 50z vs D5? did you consider tygon vs masterkleer?
Where is the T-Line?
These are the same parts I was looking at
Swiftech Storm R.2
Swiftech MCW-60..
AQZ 50z or D5
Res (instead of a T-Line)
Masterkleer 7/16 ID' Tubing
Thermochill PA160
did you have any issues with bleed and fill?
I only hope I do half as well as you??
Neoprene is the the item I looking for now
I cut out the upper fan grill more for noise than anything... with the weird black fan "door" plus the grills and filter... there is a lot of restriction for airflow, and that equals noise and less cooling so I removed it. I never tested the temps with it still in place so I honestly don't know if it would make a performance difference.... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
I didn't cut the lower grill, no fan being used there... I will only have one silent spinpoint down there and it runs pretty cool.
I decided on the 50z primarily because of the much lower heat dump... my pump outlet is going directly to the storm so the heat dump of the pump isn't getting cooled by the rad... I tried thinking of other loops but it seemed layout wise, this was the best way (same as erasmus did it too). This loop also resulted in the shortest run of tubing. The D5 does can be adjusted but I figure I don't want to keep opening the case to adust it anyway and the 50z is still one of the best pumps.
I used tygon and clearflex before... the masterkleer appears clearer and more flexible... when you see it in person you can really see how the 7/16" ID is perfect for flow with a 1/2" iD setup. Plus WAY cheaper. I bought 15 feet for like $5 and I only used like 4-5 feet :).
T-line is there, the tubing going up... (in the final setup it's trimmed and attached to a filport in the roof of the case) I feel T-line is the way to go with the P180... working in there is tight... if you have a lot of cabling, it fights for space with your tubing, so the less tubing the better. A resevoir would add two more runs of tubing and restriction. Of course the T is more difficult to bleed but since my loop was so compact, I filled it up pretty quickly and bled it pretty fast. I just kept adding water and tilting the case side to side, front to back, and the water just filled the loop.
Parts list looks just like mine. :)
Your parts were very nice quality and were the same recommended by Mad Mikee..except for the pump..he recommends the D5..but several have brought up the issue of heat dump
I am a complete noobie to water cooling and I have decided these parts are good quality and will allow me to use the cpu and I think the gpu block for a future upgrade
Tubing...is an unknown...if it is easier to bend probably better for me until I learn some of the issues of line placement and pitfalls of a setup...
I bought a dremel becasue of your handiwork...
I placed a 92 mm fan in front of the HDD in lower chamber since my OCZ psu does not allow for a mid chamber fan..I am going to mod a 120mm fan to fit down there with my dremel
here is nice idea for cooling the PMWIC....works great for me
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/....php?p=1359304
BTW I guess you have found the need for only the fan on the rad and exhaust...no others fan nneded for heat...I also have a 120mm YL fan blowing toward my chipset seems to help with cooling..looks like this would no longer be possible
I am looking more closely at your pics...the pump is just seating on the neoprene....is the neoprene secured to the case in some fashion...is there anything to keep the pump from sliding around?
Also could you leave the T-line under the top with no hole made in the case and just slide it over to refill???
If so what do you cap the T-Line with
Also what gpu are you cooling??
I have read the guides but wow alot of info and clearly I miss things
Thanks for you kind replies to this ignorant water cooling hopful to be noobie
Just do the t-line like i did in my ufo... you can cap it with anything... I used another filport...
There are more pics and descriptions of that setup at my blog http://www.jpop.com/overclock
http://www.jpop.com/overclock/images/water3.jpg
I have numerous video cards but the one in there now is a 6800GS, I'm interested to see how temps rise if I throw in my x1900xtx...
I'd like to blow fans on the pwmic and chipset and if I did it'd probably be one 120mm fan :).
Looking realy good gocchin. now here is the real question. How quiet is it?
It's pretty quiet maxxx, my wife's NF4 shuttle is louder now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer
After running the thing for nearly 24 hours straight, testing dual prime at all
different voltages I noticed that temps were up a bit so I opened up the case
and noticed that the masterkleer had kinked!!! The outlet of the gpu block to
rad has a really tight bend and while it was fine when I first installed it, I'm
guessing the warmer temps in the case closed caused it to kink... I saw what
ben805 did in another thread and added a worm clamp to remove the kink...
http://www.jpop.com/gocchin/kink.jpg
It seems to have worked... just did a quick 5 min dual prime to get load temps
up (PWMIC definitely needs work, and interesting what nvidia temps show... must be off?):
http://www.jpop.com/gocchin/46002750temps.png
I think I'm going to have trouble installing the i-RAM.... space looks pretty tight...
Gocchin, that nVidia sensor doesnt look too far off considering where your cpu "says" its at. What were your ambient temps at the time?
And the GPU was at idle then too wasnt it?
Hope you can get the I-ram in there. What would be nice is if they included 2 SATA ports on it so that it could act like a RAID 0. That way you could get 600mb/s out of the new SATA2 version.
I agree, the PWMIC seems about right.
My PWM's load at around 52-53C on my Opty 165, with a nearly identical cooling and computer setup as yours ;)
The i-ram looks like it will hit the 50z if I stick it in... it's a pretty long card....
I considered cooling just the cpu in the loop as Erasmus did but ended up
throwing in the gpu since I won't really bench this rig 3D :).
I personally like keeping the PWMIC under 50, I believe it can help the OC stability. :)
I ran the setup at 2800mhz @ 1.45v for over 30min and PWMIC got up to
55C. I should let it run all day as I bet PWMIC will break 60C.
http://www.jpop.com/gocchin/46002800temps.png
this can and does help with pwmic:
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/show...highlight=crab
Very nice setup there. I plan on doing this same thing to my own Antec P180 but I never would have thought it quite this easy until your post. Thanks for all the nice pictures and details.
Damn, so much neater than my setup... =/