I had a 7800 GTX, 7800 GTX 512, x1800 XT and now 7800 GT SLI
I can tell you, ATi IQ enhancement was little to none, and the driver DE-enhancement was enough to shove me back to NV within 3 weeks of my purchase of the XT.
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I had a 7800 GTX, 7800 GTX 512, x1800 XT and now 7800 GT SLI
I can tell you, ATi IQ enhancement was little to none, and the driver DE-enhancement was enough to shove me back to NV within 3 weeks of my purchase of the XT.
You mean you dislike CCC? Or did ATI provide worse IQ in some area? Sorry!Quote:
Originally Posted by CompGeek
He surely meant ati drivers not being as slick as NVIDIA's. Well this is a good topic and I would like some more in game comparisions. Thank You all.
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Originally Posted by HaLDoL
They're some of the biggest trolls around, that site is crap and has been for a LOOONG time.
SLI 16x isn't even playable with countrerstrike 1.6... (i tried :( )Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
ATI has temporal AA which helps a lot but doesnt show up on screenshots, and only works with an FPS higher then refreshrate.
As for the shimmering, i personally can see shimmering in both ATI and nvidia cards, it's there, the thing tho, is that in certain cases it's ALL OVER with nvidia cards, and is a real pain, with ati cards, you'll every once in a while find a texture that shimmers. The shimmering isn't the same either.
If you want to see what shimmering looks like, and you have both an ATI and an nvidia card, do the following :
- Start with the ATI card, install fresh drivers, take a game with rather plain textures (i took cs 1.6, the colors are plain, the textures are often streched, so if there's any anomily you'll see it...), set IQ max, and move around.
- Set IQ to max performance and move around. The textures will look a bit blurry, and every once in a while you'll be able to spot a texture that slightly shimmers
- Set IQ back to max, move around
LOOK AROUND YOU !!!!!! it's funny, but if you actually look around (your room/outside... something real !!), it does make a difference.
Install nvidia graphics card
- Start with high performance settings, and move around. normally everything shimmers like hell, if you don't see it now you'd better go see an eye doctor, your cones aren't working properly.
- progressivly set the quality modes higher, and move around. Shimmering will slowly go away, and befor you know it, you'll be looking for that "ultra mega high quality mode" that takes away that remaining shimmering in high quality mode.
replace ATI graphics card set in high quality setting to make sure your eyes aren't playing tricks on you.
hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by 5150 Joker
Nice post, but why waste your energy; denial is not the sort of thing that the truth fixes ;)
nice trick for cs 1.6 (all half-life engine games actually): gl_mode "gl_linear_mipmap_linear"
changes from bilinear filtering to trilinear (which does help even when using anisotropic)
Shimmering is present at both 1280x1024 and 1280x768 with AFx16 and AAx4 to a MUCH greater degree on my 6600GT than my X850XT. I'm using either the cheap LCD built into my lappy or my Sony HS94P which isn't really considered a high quality LCD, it's about 2 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Like I said, never really noticed it til I played world of warcraft, but now I notice it in any game that uses AF on a plane that has LOD. If you just care how quick 3dmark runs then I guess go for which-ever card is fastest for your $ but if you play a lot of WoW like me then you might want to reconsider.
Not meaning to offend anyone but I'm seeing a lot of qualified reviews being quoted, technological limitations cited, image comparisons, specific situations and even videos to back up the ATI side of things, but just assurances from the nvidia camp... Any videos or images that show a superior NV image?
I came from a 7800gtx, I have to say that NV's digital vibrance was always sweet for desktop/2d and I thought i would miss it.
with the x1900 I turn up the hue and saturation a bit and it looks better than the digital vibrance ever did, much sharper picture and less cartoonish looking in 2d and 3d.
I have to say IMHO the 7800gtx IQ is inferior to the x1900 in many ways.
On the other hand I thought x850 and x800 looked like crap compared to my 6800gt....
it strikes me funny how people with LCD monitors complain about the video card when its probly the monitor causing alot of the IQ disparity.
be a real gamer and use a CRT :D
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Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 200 22" Natural Flat
...and get cancer.
rather die of cancer than eye strain from a slow LCD
I can't work on CRT's at all. I'm very light sensitive and even 85hz on a nice CRT will give me a headache in under 10 minutes. The constant repainting of the image just kills me.
I had a boss that would view dual 21's...at 60hz. It never bugged him, lol! I only wish...
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Originally Posted by Jodiuh
Lol, not as sensitive as you. I find 85hz to be the best number for me. I so want to get a wide lcd but am waiting for a good deal.
Another good test for shimmering is Guild Wars. Especially Ascalon City after the Searing. With sli'd 7800gt's I could see shimmering everywhere, on the ground and on buildings and monuments. Turning drivers to high quality helped just a little dut did not get rid of shimmering, only lessened it a bit, but still very noticeable.
X1900xt is much better. There is a slight amount of shimmer on the ground textures, none on buildings and objects. The difference is quite drastic to me. I truly think Nv build there drivers/hardware with too many shortcuts to quality to improve performance...
ummm... the reason people notice these problems on LCD is because LCDs are a lot sharper than CRTs :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by iboomalot
And what makes you think that a "real gamer" cant use a LCD?
2ms 17" and 19" LCDs are starting to show up and 1000:1 contrast ratios on a VA panel is pretty darn black.
And with the clarity and precision of a LCD screen, doesnt it make it easier to spot your enemies? :rolleyes:
Most people dont even notice motion blur and ghosting on a pure 8ms response time. And if they do notice some motion blur, they usually get used to it to a point that they cant see any ghosting or motion blur
A pure 8ms response time doesnt mean any LCD monitor that has a 8ms rating on it. It all depends on the companie's measureing system, the panel's technology, and the transition between colors. Some companies will say their monitor runs at an average 8ms, but the truth could be that it's a 8ms TN panel, which is likely to jump from 8ms to a response time that's a lot slower like 20ms.
So if you saw a LCD < 8ms and you noticed a lot of ghosting, then you eather saw a cr@%$y monitor or you have the super human ability to notice ghosting at that response time without a CRT next to the LCD.
I've got both a nice LCD and a couple nice CRT's.. dont have any nVidia cards to compare to my x1600xt at present though.
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6145814/index.html
I think, anyway IQ of 1900XTX is better than IQ of 7900GTX.
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Originally Posted by bakalu
"Both sets of cards rendered the game very well, and we'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference between the two. Even when zoomed in, the two setups produce nearly identical images."
hl2
"The images differ slightly due to inconsistent lighting, and the antialiasing implementations differ a bit. Overall, we're not likely to pick one picture over the other."
quake4
"Like the other tests, we cranked the settings all the way up to 1600x1200, with 4xAA, 16xAF, and high quality all around. It looks like we're staring at identical sets of pictures. If there are differences, they're small enough for us not to care."
SPCT
"The pictures differ slightly in lighting levels, but this was about as close as we could get with respect to brightness. We suspect that the Nvidia cards look a bit grainy specifically because of the extra light cast onto the bricks. We're sure that the ATI cards would look the same if they had the same light levels."
Overall not much difference according to them.
After playing with this card for a few days, and today swapping back the 7800GT just to see what happen and I must say....I missed the damn X1900XTX! :lol: I came to a conclusion that the ATI card produce sharper and more define images, be it gaming in BF2, Q4, watching DVD, or photo editing, I am now a believer of the ATI have superior IQ and no I DO NOT missed the digital vibrance....the 7800GT got yanked out after about an hour :D :D Though when it comes to driver support I think ATI still has a long way to go, I tried the Omega CAT 6.2 driver and that crap jacked up the OS, had two missing "unknown drives" in device manager which I later found they're the WDM drivers that were not included in the Omega package. The ATITOOL could definitely use some improvement.
I did ran into some gaming problem with the ATI, the moving key seems to stuck once awhile so the player just move on his own, or while I was moving forward even after I'd released the key it just kept going, it's not a keyboard problem as I had already swapped a different keyboard with the same result, wiped out the hard drive and did a fresh install to no available either....
Wait, you're saying ATI drivers need work because you used an unsupported third party modified driver??? :hm: :nuts:
:rolleyes: WTF?? don't read between lines :slapass: that's not what I was saying, the official CAT 6.3 is alright I guess but they can definitely do away the bloated CCC and other craps. I gave the Omega a try and thought maybe it worth a shot as someone might of improved something but it doesn't work on mine...although I could just ripped the WDM off of the CAT 6.3 but for the display driver I could of use the Omega, but I did not see any differences or improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bar81
I guess I'm not the only one this happens to? I thought it was my G15.Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
doesn't help.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
works in WoW too.
It happens to me too on my G15 and my MS Natural Elite. I read around that is has to do with ATITool. When that is installed and has temp monitoring/logging as well as fan speed adjustments it sometimes does this.Quote:
Originally Posted by l337x3r1cx
Omega 6.2 Cats here too :) I've been an omega user since 4.12 cat versions from them ;) If only because ATI will continue to make drivers (and good ones) but third party drivers need our support :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
Plus they're great when bios flashing :D
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