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That is correct and some sources conflict with other sources... And Yet the people I am trusting seem to agree on a few things the people you trust don't... I will continue to say DDR3..DDR3.. Quadcore.. Quadcore until I am proven wrong by AMD.. ;) Which I highly doubtQuote:
Originally Posted by Thorry
Well do you trust me?
AM2 products:
All Dual core
1MB or 512MB cache (depending on models, all will have 1MB but some with half disabled to increase yield. 1MB starting at 4400+)
All DDR2
You have seen the AM2 pics right?
I have seen Socket F in real life and talked with my source about the AM2 stuff (he has seen IRL), AMD does not have the resources to develop 2 different memory controllers.
It will all be DDR2, also DDR3 product aren't available.
I haven't heard DDR3 by any of my sources, AMD will switch to FB-Dimm in 2007, DDR3 isn't in the planning (not at the moment at least).
Also quad core for socket F is planned H2 2006 and will prolly not be available on AM2 (not in the current planning). In 2007 all FB-dimm products will be FB-dimm.
Note that there was also a lot of talk that Intel was going to use DDR3, they are now almost ready to release their FB-Dimm Xeon's and will bring FB-Dimm to the desktop also.
I will accept Socket F using DDR2 but I still do not believe AMD is going to Release M2 as DDR2...
and considering Intel's switch to DDR3 in the next year.. WHy the hell would AMD lock themselves in a dead end such as DDR2.. better to delay and cut your losses than it is to be proud and Use the new RiMM...
Socket M2 is going to be initially released as 940-pin, DDR2. In ~6months time (yes I said 6 months :p: ), M2 will make the switch to 1207-pins. Socket F will be released as 1207 pin and will continue on that way until the next socket change.....Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Wow, just 6 months? That sounds odd. Another reason for not going (A)M2 any time soon. This race is just too fast paced for me...Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
- Intel isn't going DDR3 till early 2007, that's a long way off.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
- Where are the DDR3 samples? DDR2 samples where seen way before the product came out. There are confirmed AM2 samples, they should be running with DDR3 samples, why aren't there pictures?
- Also on the pictures (not very clear pictures) you can make out a DDR2 interface, it would same strange to give DDR3 the same interface that would cause a lot of trouble
- AMD has never followed Intel, they stuck with DDR until DDR2 became cheap, widely available and a proven technique. AMD is a very small company, one mistake and it's bye bye AMD. They can't take the risk going to an unproven technique.
- If AMD (a small part of the market) goes DDR3, DDR3 products will be very expensive and they will not be available in the first 6 months. Intel has the side of the OEMs, if they introduce a new technology it gets introduced on a giant scale. Also Intel can afford a mistake (like the prescott) because they are simply huge and have a great marketing department.
- AMD hasn't the resources to develop two seperate new memory controllers at the same time. It takes a lot of time, money, labtime, licenses to develop a new memory controller. AMD just hasn't got it.
You have valid points in both these statements, BUT there are a few things that need a bit of minor revision ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorry
-Amd's share in the OEM market has grown exponentially in the past year or so due to their Opteron line. It's even come as far as stepping on Intel's toes in the fight for Dell's business.....
-Technically, AMD will release 2 separate memory controllers when M2 and Socket F are introduced. AM2 isn't just a few changes in order to gain DDR2 compatibility, rather the memory controller will feature a totally revamped architecture with various new optimizations implemented. Socket F, however, will be a much more advanced architecture which will pave the path for AM2's eventual switch to 1207 pin......
there are a few things that need a bit of minor revision ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
1207 pins....actually, 0 pins. LGA1207 :p:
WTF ever...you know what I mean....:p:....Also, just curious where you heard this from? I'll try to confirm that.....Quote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
BTW, I don't know if anybody's seen/mentioned this yet, but this is pulled from AMD's website: (note the date) ;)
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4731/ddr34ho.jpg
LGA1207 (with 1206 contact pads on the CPU) AKA Socket F pics have been floating around for a while, just search this forum for a topic I started with socket FQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Yes AMD's share has been growing very very very fast, but don't forget they are still very small. They went from non-existant to very small. Which is a great growth, but still not big enough to make any kind of difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Second: The Socket F and socket AM2 memory controllers are exactly the same, socket F CPUs however will have 2 extra channels (quad channel instead of dual channel). When AM2 goes 1207 the memory controller will be quad channel as well. Compare it to a GPU where there are several pipelines, several models have exactly the same chip only a different pipeline count.
The socket F and AM2 memory controllers are exactly the same (as will be the S1 controller)
DUDE I said in the next year :fact: and with BOTH AMD and Intel pushing DDR3 it will become availible alot faster. They have been sampled over a year ago :fact: We have seen pics:fact: And M2 is freaking hitting retail until freaking 2007 :fact: Which is perfect Timing. Socket F is what is coming out soon and that Might be DDR2 but not M2Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorry
DUDE AM2 is set for release within months, not 2007 :p:
Also socket F might be DDR2?.... socket F is DDR2, I saw it IRL, there are pics all over the internet, people have been stating DDR2 for since forever. Also if it isn't DDR2 WTH would it be?
DUDE SOCKET F is set to go off in the next couple months not M2 and so what if Socket F is DDR2.. it is a server proc and major changes for a server isn't such as big of a deal as it is for us Mainstream users
Socket F is going to be released within week rather then months.
AM2 is going to be weeks.
As I said, AMD can't develop 2 memory controllers at once, since there are AM2 samples right now as socket F is almost ready to be released they must have developed them at the same time.
I'm sorry but there are like 20 reasons to say AM2 is going to be DDR2 and like no reason to believe AM2 is going to be DDR3.
Maybe you should just have faith and just wait and see. Within a short time there will be more AM2 samples and maybe somebody shows us a screenshot where it says DDR3 or DDR2. But trust me when I say DDR2 :P:
DUDE its socket AM2 thats supposed to be release in the next few months
HEHE from now on we open a new post with DUDE :D
it is you who doesn't have faith in AMD's ablity to surprise.. besides you forget it isn't AMD isn't the only Source of the new Memory controllers.. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorry
Allright tell me: Who has developed AMD's new DDR3 memory controller?
And please back it up with proof rather then speculation.
We all know AMD has a DDR2 memory controller because of the Socket F samples and specs.
Also, letting somebody else design it prolly doesn't make it cheaper ;)
http://www.rambus.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?id=104
socket F may be DDR2 but no way in hell M2 will be
i had see some test on AM2 CPU + DDR2
all i can say is.....
keep your S939 til end of this year....
bing!Quote:
keep your S939 til end of this year....
LOL LOL :DQuote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
So they bought a license end December, and now in February: Hey presto, magic trick: Here is a DDR3 platform all ready to go!
DREAM ON!!!
Also Rambus is well known for developing very little and making a lot of money on licenses, they can't develop an entire controller, let alone in those couple of months
DDR3 platform will not come out until DDR3 memory modules hit mass production
and M2 isn't going out in a couple months.. Dream on Thorry
Tell me why there are AM2 samples out there today? Sure, so they send samples now of some non-existant technology so in 12 months you can buy it in the stores? What's the use?
AM2 will be releasing within months, they sure as hell won't wait till next year.
Here:
http://www.thorry.net/DDR2.jpg
Now you show me proof like this it is going to be DDR3....
NDA says I can not..:p:
o cmonQuote:
Originally Posted by nn_step