Hmm, no volts adjustment. I'd really like to try an XT BIOS on this XL now.Quote:
Originally Posted by techstyled
Thanks :D
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Hmm, no volts adjustment. I'd really like to try an XT BIOS on this XL now.Quote:
Originally Posted by techstyled
Thanks :D
Aye, I bet what happened is ASS started the ball rolling by making theirs available as soon as they had the ship notification from ATI (or whoever makes their cards for them), WAY ahead of schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmage
Here's the rest of my opinion of what happened:
Newegg: Hello, ATI, what's going on? ASS is already selling these X1800XT's we are about to receive today. I thought you said we had to wait till <release date>.
ATI: WTF!!!!11!11 Let me call you right back... Hello, ASS, what the :banana: :banana: do you think you're doing? We told you to wait till <release date> to sell those cards!
ASS: Get bent. Oh, and send us some more cards quick, we sold all those already.
<ATI big wigs hold pow wow>
<several hours later - or was it the next day?>
ATI: Hello, Newegg, well it appears we are going to boost that release date up a bit. Go ahead and start selling your cards. Have a nice day.
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'Course this is just my opinion :D
I'm working on getting it setup in my RDX200 with my OCZ P/S to see if I can OC better.Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
Tell me how to backup my BIOS and we'll see what I can come up with.
It appears the RDX200 will never catch up to the NF4 SLI. Too bad. So you can xfire if you want to settle for a weak mboard, or you can have a great mboard if you settle for one X1800XT.
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Guess it's 2x GTX for me, instead of 2x X1800XT.... too bad ATI, too bad.
Meantime, I like the fan section on the new heatsink, easily removed leaving a hole that you can add improved and QUIET aircooling to, while using the stock heatsink.
How is the CORE vs SHIM height on that X1800XT of yours Techy? Use a ccard edge and a flashlight, see if the core is ABOVE EQUAL or BELOW the height of the SHIM. If it is BELOW, then shim removal and lapping the copper of the heatsink, use of AS5, could yeild serious improvements in cooling on air.
As you are going WCooling, same goes for your waterblock. Every X800 X850 I've worked on has required SHIM removal to get maximum cooling, as the SHIM was above CORE height on all 5 boards I modified. I have no reason to assume ATI got any more accurate on the SHIM/CORE relationship, they simply rely on a glop of goop to make up the gap.
If youo can check that, would be much appreciated.
I accidently just bought:
ATI ORIGINAL RADEON X1800XT 512MB PCI-E DDR3 TV-OUT DVI RETAIL VIDR_ATIX_RA_XD $599.95
604 $362369.80
Subtotal: $362369.80 :eek:
Imagine one person cleaned stock right out that would be an insane invoice.
I went to Compusa this morning and they had just received 2 XT's. Of course I had to get one. At stock I got 9099 in 05 and maxed CCC at 690 and 800 i got 9693. I will try the overclock tool later tonight..
I'm sorry but I disagree with you that the RDX200 won't be as good overclocker as the SLI-DR. With the new bios everything start to work out. First of all the htt speed and tccd ram speeds e.t.c.Quote:
Originally Posted by uwackme
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Originally Posted by uwackme
1) reviews and early customer experiences say otherwhise
2) voodoopc claims crossfire works on nf4 sli...
lots of people had issues with dfi nf4 boards, LOTs, there were constantly threads begging for help. early users have to play with settings and find what works, often people give up early and say something sucks without playing with it. also, who says dfi will have the best crossfire board? give it time, its only fair, dfi took a while to get some decent bios's for the nf4 to come out.
if the mobo used the SLi chipset to improve USB to USB2 then alot of people would stop complaining.
I have owned 3 DFI ultra mobos and nothing is easy with DFI but they seem to be the overall choice since using a mobo that will only OC to 240 FSB is even worse than changing a bios here or there.
I don't have to settle for anything. Right now, at least with my skillz, my best shot at being able to run XFire the very first day I can get a Master X1800XT is with this here RDX200. That is my goal right now, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by uwackme
If I want to use a USB2 device, I'll just plug up to the NF4 SLI rig sitting right next to me. The one I'll be testing out 2x GTX 512MB with that's runniing fine with 2x eVGA GT CO's in the meantime.
Actually, this is the very last time I'm going to respond to any more "you should wait for X, you're gonna regret going with X".
The only thing I'm "settling" with right now is sticking to AMD. Intel just doesn't interest me right now. Dothan sounds cool but I don't think I'm missing anything. At least I'm having lots of fun with my 5 different AMD setups and one old crusty 2.4c Northwood.
This is my hobby (ok, it's my business too). I'm going to have whatever I want and my hobby bank account can handle, and right now it's not even strained.
So don't you go worrying about me anymore, ok. I'll make it. :D
Oh, and BTW, only 7 more posts till I can FINALLY see the freakin FS/T forum!
I still regret missing out on the Vandi CABNE's :slapass:
I will check this out. Thanks for the info. I'm probably going to wait until Tuesday to do this though. That's when my Storm and MCW55 will be here so I'll just wait till then to get it naked again. Too busy enjoying it right now. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by uwackme
There really were 604 in stock???Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynasty
That is one of the coolest statements I've heard in a LONG time! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by techstyled
It still shows qty over 600. However, not sure if they actually do have stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmage
Im hoping bios fixes will make the RX200 compete with the NF4-SLI, but so far, no. Memory speeds are far below what can easily be acheived on the DFI NF4.
I agree, DFI NF4 was a challenge, but I think the current RX200 has limitations that tweaking the bios wont overcome. As it is, with the VTT issue still remaining on the DFI NF4, we dont even know that the max OC really is, anywhere from 5-20Mhz memory FSB remains on the table, since VTT glitching prevents us from achieving the true maximum.
But no SATAII and USB problems.... this is ATI's first shot, NV had the entire NF2 learning curve nailed before doing NF4, so look to the next generation or two from ATI before they "get it nailed".
Meantime, I've seen only one person say they got over 240Mhz 2,2,2.0 out of thier BH5 or VX rams on the RX200. And you say yourself, 280Mhz out of TCCD's that should do 300-320 on NF4.
SO ATI (and DFI's implementation will clearly be the best performing) gives us a compromise to live with. CPU/memory performance subpar to the NF4 and XFire, or go buy NV stuff.
VoodooPC says XFire boards work on NF4? Any link.
We all KNOW for a FACT there is nothing about the motherboard required for XFire/SLI other than 2 x16 slots operating at x8/x8. That's it. And both NF4 and RX200 fill that bill. Neither ATI nor NV are fooling anyone, same goes for NV, if I liked the RX200 and wanted 2 7800's on it, I expect them to do whats right for thier customers, not what thier marketing dept says is a good idea.
So if it does work in ATI released drivers, its purely thier decision to screw everyone of thier customers who dont feel like buying YET ANOTHER motherboard just to run thier video cards.
Please do check the SHIM/CORE height issue. I hope they solved it, but Ill pop the shim off if need be when the time comes, as I have for the X800s and X850s.
dfi is the only board available afaik thats remotely high end, theres some eqs board that is very low end of the spectrum. dfi when with the ati southbridge and shock horror they are the only one with the chips right now. if you look at any review nf4 chipset has a decent amount of hdd issues, be it uli chipset sata2 or sil image sata 2 on ati board the sata 2/ide scores basically crap all over nf4 scores. usb is slow, big deal i couldn't give a toss and most benchers probably won't care that much. few months till fixed chipset versions ship.
Dynasty and Nunyabiz, be sure to start new threads when you get your X1800s to let everyone know how they do ;)
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the stupid fk's at ATI alter the driver SW to allow XFIRE on NF4 systems.
Firstly, that's no way to talk in these forums. Secondly, ATI has tried enabled xfire on as many platforms as they can, and they tried on Nvidia chipsets too, but NVIDIA wasn't willing to let that happen, not ATI.Quote:
So if it does work in ATI released drivers, its purely thier decision to screw everyone of thier customers who dont feel like buying YET ANOTHER motherboard just to run thier video cards.
@ Techstyled, as the no. of ppl wanting to show their X1800 results grows, we just might have an unofficial X1800 scores thread sometime later on ;)
Perkam
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Originally Posted by perkam
OK, I'd like that!
I am wondering, how exactly do you go about safely and easily removing the shim? I may try this on my X1800 if it will get me better contact with my Zalman FS-V7. Thanks.
It is too bad we couldn't have the HDD performance of the ATI chipset mixed with everything else on the Nvidia chipset plus ditch the Silicon image secondary SATA RAID controller for that of a promise. Now that board would kick.
On the shim, just a sharp xacto knife, and a steady hand. I get under one corner and pull UP on the shim, while cutting a bit. Just aim the cutting edge at the shim not the substrate. The glue isnt super strong, it will POP off with the right pressure. Ive popped 9500-X850XTPE 16 shims off and never had a problem, incident, or failure.
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Well excuse me. Frankly when the manufacturers take policy positions that deliberately make life difficult for the customers they sell to, it pisses the hell out of me. As a customer Im annoyed, as an engineer Im disgusted.
There are NO requirements on the motherboard that would exclude Xfire on NF4 and SLI on Xfire, its purely a driver enforced prohibition. PCI-E is PCI-E, period. And no NV permission to ATI or vice versa is required.
The disk results aren't that shattering, NF4 isnt that far behind, and the overall system impact pales in comparison to being stuck at 240Mhz 1:1 vs 270Mhz 1:1 with your shiny BH5/VX wonder ram. Im completely satisfied with my 2xRaptor raid0 on NF4, been working flawlessly since I put the system together in June.
Wanna impress me, at LEAST use the sataII version of the SiliconImage chip as the additional sata ports. The 3124 would have been fine. The RDX200 doesn't support SATA II at all. How can it be "better" featured than NF4?
We still dont know...hope EMC2 will get a chance to check... if the Vtt issue of the DFI NF4 is NOT impacting the RDX200. Since most of the memory controller circuitry and support is on the A64 itself, I ask how can you end up with less than what the NF4 gets for results? Vdimm goes to 4V, so what is actually behind this lower memory performance on the ATI Xfire mboard?
Now now....let's not go out of our way to flame or flamebait.
Anybody got any more info on whether or not the stock is truly over 600? Prices could tumble with stock like that....
Your right...I deleted my post, totally off-topic too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
I never saw a link, if it's true I'd like to know where.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor