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10-06-2005, 09:35 PM
Vegitto

No more work on this one?
10-07-2005, 02:26 AM
G H Z

Damn KP,

That container really looks to be all you wanted and more. Awsome work on that for sure. That post pour vapor cloud is not normal for any other container?
10-07-2005, 05:23 AM
k|ngp|n

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Originally Posted by Vegitto

No more work on this one?

My prototype and design testing is done, and the unit that you see here will be the final production unit that I am making if I decide to mass produce it.
The cpu units could be available in about a week or so, without pre-order.
As far as my own personal benching, I have to wait for the weekends mostly because I have been working alot and I just dont have the time. I am going to give 50k 01' one more shot this weekend, and some dothan pi stuff.
Honestly, I gave up on 3d when I saw the new ATI cards coming out but...now it looks like I have some more time. I thought for sure someone would have posted over 50k already lol.... guess not.

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Originally Posted by G H Z

Damn KP,

That container really looks to be all you wanted and more. Awesome work on that for sure. That post pour vapor cloud is not normal for any other container?

Boiling off action and vapor clouds of ln2 is normal for any container G, and usually when the container gets closer to the temp of the ln2 iteslf, it calms down and gets quiet. For this one, the ln2 gets crazy and loud and really comes to life once you get BELOW -160. Going from -160 to -190c, it roars when you pour it.
It gets my heart going every time I swear :)
I am thinking it is due the increased surface area near the base and the way the base is designed. UNlike other containers I used, this container operates at it's xtreme max cooling capacity when a certain ammount of ln2 is in it, or if using DI it is full of crushed DI and acetone. ALL other containers I have run for ln2, actually performed worse with over a cetain ammount of ln2 in them. Too much ln2 and your evap temps go up.....
10-07-2005, 06:11 AM
Waus-mod

Kingpin.. how much insulation do you use on the back of the motherboard between the arc? how thick?
10-07-2005, 11:48 AM
speed bump

Come on 3dmark01 you can do it
10-08-2005, 05:35 PM
k|ngp|n

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Originally Posted by G H Z

Damn KP,

That container really looks to be all you wanted and more. Awesome work on that for sure.

I did pretty good on MY FIRST REVISION huh?
I figured my results would'nt be too hot since this is only MY FIRST REVISION of a cpu container ever.
You would think that 3840mhz on an fx at 1.83v and 3814mhz for 3d and -189c loaded with the dothan benching at 3.9ghz+1.9v could only be the work of a true MASTER, not someone like myself who only just built his FIRST REVISION :)
Guess I got lucky...

I got a shiny new retail dothan 780m sitting here G, so the real issue is are these 780 retail chips fsb limited like the 780es's?
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../114352185.jpg
I hope it's a good clocker It's RH80536 sl7vb Let's see what the chip can do with crushed DI and acetone first with dragon/p4p800-e/ct-479/ 2x256 buffalo tech bh5.
10-08-2005, 06:30 PM
n00b 0f l337

Not bad not bad...
10-08-2005, 06:33 PM
metro.cl

good luck mate, you are the best bencher right now (maybe shamino is up there with you)
10-08-2005, 06:58 PM
illmatik

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Originally Posted by metro.cl

awsome mate.

You have to begin benching for WR now

Good Point. What is the dothan WR now? This is definately the fastest dothan I've seen so far.. wow is all I can say, incredible!
10-08-2005, 09:08 PM
G H Z

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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

I got a shiny new retail dothan 780m sitting here G, so the real issue is are these 780 retail chips fsb limited like the 780es's?

That chip should fly, hopin for some fast ram speeds. I'd really like to see you try a 670 & single card X1800XT or XL. I'm thinkin I might try it myself http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ons/icon12.gif

I also have a question. I tried DI on my FX for the first time last week and it sucked. Nothing stable even @ low ass 3.5Ghz. Tried every voltage under the sun. I noticed you said a too full container can perform worse and I'm wondering if that was my problem cuz I didn't have temp monitoring on the container. Too me it just seems like you want the container 1/2 full of acetone :confused: Or is it better to have it only near the bottom and let the DI fall into it?

Btw this FX does 3668 3D stable @ 1.69v on Baker unit & the container had perfect contact.

If you have any ideas I'd appreciate it http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...cons/icon7.gif
10-08-2005, 10:20 PM
k|ngp|n

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Originally Posted by G H Z

That chip should fly, hopin for some fast ram speeds. I'd really like to see you try a 670 & single card X1800XT or XL. I'm thinkin I might try it myself http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ons/icon12.gif

I also have a question. I tried DI on my FX for the first time last week and it sucked. Nothing stable even @ low ass 3.5Ghz. Tried every voltage under the sun. I noticed you said a too full container can perform worse and I'm wondering if that was my problem cuz I didn't have temp monitoring on the container. Too me it just seems like you want the container 1/2 full of acetone :confused: Or is it better to have it only near the bottom and let the DI fall into it?

Btw this FX does 3668 3D stable @ 1.69v on Baker unit & the container had perfect contact.

If you have any ideas I'd appreciate it http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...cons/icon7.gif

1/2 full is way too much bro. Here is what ya do for awesome evap temps:
Crush up the DI real good with a hammer or something in like a double bag. Get to almost like it's ice snow and all crushed. Fill the container up with the snow using a funnel or something (I use a scooper) Tamp it down good then pour in ABOUT A SHOT or two at most of acetone. And your good to go. This will have the DI touching all available real estate inside the container and no gaps between chunks. Just refill the crushed ice as it goes down in the container and you wont need to add any more acetone for rest of session.

My first few DI session I used way too much acetone and it was nasty. I can still remember it. I get the chills and have flashbacks when I see those tall ass containers with bubbling and big chunks floating around :)
10-08-2005, 10:25 PM
babyelf

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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

Just refill the crushed ice as it goes down in the container and you wont need to add any more acetone for rest of session

so use the crushed powder like dry ice all the time or just the bottom layer before starting?
10-09-2005, 05:14 AM
harleybro

Very nice KP lookin forward to new dothan runs. :)
10-09-2005, 05:26 AM
babyelf

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Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

always use crushed ;) I started that and It works awsome.
Only donwside is if its really humid the crushed ice=more surface area for mostiure to attach to each partical and water make a barrier and Is not good in the mix so try not to let the crushed ice sit with alot of humidity for too long :)

cheers for that :)

will try it next time ;)

so crush it just before i need it?
10-09-2005, 03:17 PM
G H Z

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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

1/2 full is way too much bro.

OK I'm inspired to try again, I was trying to convince myself it was cold bug or something ;)

Thanks :toast:
10-10-2005, 05:15 AM
k|ngp|n

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Originally Posted by G H Z

OK I'm inspired to try again, I was trying to convince myself it was cold bug or something ;)

Thanks :toast:

NP G. Your on the right track with DI now. WHen I was referring to the container being too full and perfroming worse, I was actually referrring to ln2.

ABout this 780retail guys....After some quick testing on DI/acetone, I can say for 100% that these chips are not fsb limited like the 780es's. I was able to hit 3500mhz/250fsb for 1m easily with only -71c evap temps on my pot, and 8m crapped out about 3/4 way thru at 3500.(machine check exception error)...cpu just needed more power. This is with only uwiremod and droop mod..so I am thinking that this prolly a 4ghz chip on max ln2. Imagine what close to 4ghz with high fsb could do with 1m and even 8m :slobber: My 780es could only use 17x after 3330mhz or so just like the japs chips. THat chip maxed out around 3400 with DI and around same volts.
THis 1m is still crappy time as it is on my p4p800-e that can't run 11dram or 200 boot for full pat. Maxmem104 ws not used here either. JUst straight clocks.
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../114426048.jpg
10-10-2005, 05:34 AM
k|ngp|n

Here's the money shot fellas.
Shhh... I wouldnt want anyone to incorporate this into their design because it :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing owns ;)
http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL256/.../114561940.jpg
10-10-2005, 06:04 AM
ilkkahy

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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

Here's the money shot fellas.

How long pole did you put there? It seems low from the picture but pictures lie often.

No offense but i dont think this desing quite meets the requirements of patents? :rolleyes: Ok in USA you may have different system and you can sue anyone just about anything. I find this ridiculous. For example MM new container has very similar system. Perhaps japanese should try forbit using solid containers now because they were the first to use it? :D In reality you just need to put those in production fast before others.

ps. I am absolutely positively sure i have seen this desing as non solid version like a year ago made by some japs.

All same to me though..
10-10-2005, 06:23 AM
k|ngp|n

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Originally Posted by ilkkahy

How long pole did you put there? It seems low from the picture but pictures lie often.

No offense but i dont think this desing quite meets the requirements of patents? :rolleyes: Ok in USA you may have different system and you can sue anyone just about anything. I find this ridiculous. For example MM new container has very similar system. Perhaps japanese should try forbit using solid containers now because they were the first to use it? :D In reality you just need to put those in production fast before others.

ps. I am absolutely positively sure i have seen this desing as non solid version like a year ago made by some japs.

All same to me though..

I can't say how long the pole is becasue I think this is very critical part. The container is full of ln2.
I don't have a patent on it becasue your right it doesnt meet the requirement for patent. It has to be something completly new for that. My specific design is copyrighted, but not patented of course.
I am about 100% positive that this is the only solid one piece container with this design.....and believe when I tell you it WORKS VERY VERY WELL.
I still haven't even decided if I want to mass produce this yet. I have enough material to make about 15 pieces, but I was thinking of just keeping the material and trying all different kinds of designs. I have good access to the cnc.
I just thought that I would show you guys what was down there. Lets see how many containers come out looking like this now :)
I am not trying to get rich lol..I just want to make the best possible cooling device I can.
10-10-2005, 06:54 AM
Lestat HWL

Doesn't look bad Vince...The walls look a bit thick...They look around 3/8" thickness, so I'd assume the base is 1/2 or 5/8" thickness. Maybe more after the base peice.

Seems like that'd be a bit too thick and would take awhile to get cooled down...What do you think? I'm sure you looked into this alot before building the tube ;)
10-10-2005, 07:21 AM
k|ngp|n

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Originally Posted by Lestat HWL

Doesn't look bad Vince...The walls look a bit thick...They look around 3/8" thickness, so I'd assume the base is 1/2 or 5/8" thickness. Maybe more after the base peice.

Seems like that'd be a bit too thick and would take awhile to get cooled down...What do you think? I'm sure you looked into this alot before building the tube ;)

Hey Lestat :)
MY exact measurments on the base and lower wall thickness(below holdown) is a secret, becasue honestly I think that makes or breaks a container.
But you're very right bro, it does take awhile to get to the temps down to max ln2. That was my biggest complaint with the original mouspot...and this one even takes a bit longer because of the added mass.. But like the mouspot, once the temps get where you need them, they stay there. THis is the way of the solid. I was looking for temperature control with ln2 for the fx, and thats why I built it the way I did. I think all solid one piece containers probably behave this way more or less. I was just used to chillys container, where you could get to say -180c very quickly, but not as much capacity for holding temps wihtout keeping the container full of ln2. Mine only needs small splashes and I can actually run the fx with it empty almost.
I combined elements of chillys spiral evap containers that I liked when benching with some elements of the orig mouspot and came up with this frankenstein and I couldnt be happier with the way it turned out. My biggest fear was that the rod was too much and would prevent the base from cooling properly, but it ended up the ultimate in temp control.
10-10-2005, 09:17 AM
EZClock

Your results are insane, good job. Any chance for 4ghz Dothan runs? 19 seconds would be possible @ that clock speed id imagine.
10-10-2005, 10:35 AM
Qkjhfhaiguihfma

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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

Hey Lestat :)
MY exact measurments on the base and lower wall thickness(below holdown) is a secret, becasue honestly I think that makes or breaks a container.
But you're very right bro, it does take awhile to get to the temps down to max ln2. That was my biggest complaint with the original mouspot...and this one even takes a bit longer because of the added mass.. But like the mouspot, once the temps get where you need them, they stay there. THis is the way of the solid. I was looking for temperature control with ln2 for the fx, and thats why I built it the way I did. I think all solid one piece containers probably behave this way more or less. I was just used to chillys container, where you could get to say -180c very quickly, but not as much capacity for holding temps wihtout keeping the container full of ln2. Mine only needs small splashes and I can actually run the fx with it empty almost.
I combined elements of chillys spiral evap containers that I liked when benching with some elements of the orig mouspot and came up with this frankenstein and I couldnt be happier with the way it turned out. My biggest fear was that the rod was too much and would prevent the base from cooling properly, but it ended up the ultimate in temp control.

careful with those numbers, that's enought info to back into the base thickness etc., or at least give someone a head start. if you really want it to be a secret, i would take out the weight. nice work tho :toast:

edit, you took the weight out :D
10-10-2005, 11:02 AM
Eldonko

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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n

Hey Lestat :)
MY exact measurments on the base and lower wall thickness(below holdown) is a secret, becasue honestly I think that makes or breaks a container.
But you're very right bro, it does take awhile to get to the temps down to max ln2. That was my biggest complaint with the original mouspot...and this one even takes a bit longer because of the added mass.. But like the mouspot, once the temps get where you need them, they stay there. THis is the way of the solid. I was looking for temperature control with ln2 for the fx, and thats why I built it the way I did. I think all solid one piece containers probably behave this way more or less. I was just used to chillys container, where you could get to say -180c very quickly, but not as much capacity for holding temps wihtout keeping the container full of ln2. Mine only needs small splashes and I can actually run the fx with it empty almost.
I combined elements of chillys spiral evap containers that I liked when benching with some elements of the orig mouspot and came up with this frankenstein and I couldnt be happier with the way it turned out. My biggest fear was that the rod was too much and would prevent the base from cooling properly, but it ended up the ultimate in temp control.
It is aprox 8inches high, 2.5inches wide, and still wieghs 4.6lbs. That should say something about the mass right there.

That is great stuff KP, very innovative, temp controllable LN2 that can be used for an FX is groundbreaking. Sounds tough to controll the temps over a period of time, but I'm sure you can do it. Look forward to your benches.
10-11-2005, 11:48 PM
G H Z

OK I know your prolly busy busting 4Ghz PI but I'm sure you can spare a couple of those Mhz to post some screens ;)

So what do you think KP, is a 670 in your future? We need a run @ 50K on ATI :D FIrst guy there will be remembered. Too bad the regulars have to wait for the XT, macci will probably knock that out before anyone else gets a chance.

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