:eek: Uh oh...I think I just found out what I'm saving my money for :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInq
Perkam
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:eek: Uh oh...I think I just found out what I'm saving my money for :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInq
Perkam
Yeah, that's what I heard as well ... 7800GTX > 7800GT > 7800.
Where's that taken from? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Looks like the 500MHz clock that those guys got was at the lower end of the spectrum for air cooling. Indications coming out that some overclocks might be a lot higher. So forgetting number of pipes arguments and Ultra this that and the other, this card might respond very well to lots of volts and lots of cooling.
In regards to 3dmark05 I would not take it as a good indication of performance across the board. It is vertex limited to some extent, also Sampsa and Macci seem to indicate that with nvidia's Sli solution the cpu has to do a lot of work, maybe why the 13 200 score is only 65-70% the score of the single card. It might be bandwidth limited as well.
I'd rather see an 03 score to be honest to compare it to 6800 or X850/X800.
With the Fx-57 coming out next week as well we might be seeing a rapid increase in scoress for this range of cards in the comming weeks. people are just reading too much into one bench. When have general sites ever been able to overclock well after all ? ;) :D
Regards
Andy
Around 7k - 7,5k ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
3 shops here in Australia will have them end of next week, Asking price for a 7800GTW is $809 to $879 Aussie $ including delivery.
http://www.nintek.com.au/x/Scripts/p...idproduct=1867
Other sites are taking orders, no actual link yet.
Edit: My x850xtpe gets 6,400 stock, 7,200 overclokcing only the video card on stock cooler. That is on a DFI NF4 and 3200+, 1gb Adata ddr400.
Funny as one sees only what he wants. At the end end of the Inq story ATI respond with a faster card to NVIDIA's Ultra :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
This looks interesting but I still give ati the advantage cause they use 90nm while nvidia is stuck with older 110nm tech
Hehe, there was a news about a Leadtek 7800 gtx board that was the first listed overhere, price was 539€ or something near. Now the news is gone and they say it's because NVIDIA "asked" them to do so.
Thats like $600 us dollars, very expensive id say. Makes the $250-300 6800gt seem like a good deal and frankly even that is more than enough
The way i see it, you're an NVIDIA fanboy (not trying to offense) and try to please yourself by making them shine by pure speculation. I am loyal to no brand and buy from who serves me best for the best price in the range i can afford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
That's why i'll let you speculate, i'll wait for real world results.
calm down guys :buddies:
troman, ati and nvidia can both change the clockspeeds of the cards if they need it to adjust to the competing products, they have both done that :)
Well having had a good read through this thread (good one this is!!), I thought I'd add my two pence.
This card is a stop-gap for nvidia to keep up with ATI until they can produce their new core on 90nm. 110nm ssaves in costs for the moment.
I think that the GTX will be beaten by the r520, then nvidia will release an Ultra, then ATI will enable all 32 pipes.
Now if ATI have sorted out their yields then ATI will then kick ass with the r520. IF they sort out the (rumoured) bad yields.
I think that nvidia's next GPU will then be more revolutionary than this one (they can't do it every gen can they?? ;) ).
Having said that...it all looks to be going the way of a Unified shader architecture at the moment (well according to Microsoft and Longhorn)....so the ATI Xboxcard will give ATI the edge in the next big push of cards.
Whatever happens and whichever card you get it will be fast and it will play all your games well.
Then it leaves me to buy my 2nd GT at a nice cheap price and I'm happy :)
Well looking forward to it all, that's for sure :D
Seriously, that BS. Remember the days of P4E Prescott 90nm vs Athlon64 Clawhammer 130nm? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
a bit of price speculation at toms: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews...31_110037.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by b0bd0le
"Sources mentioned that pricing of 7800 cards should be in line with the 6800 series and come in between $550 and $600 for the GTX model. But the almost traditional short supply of the new generation processors is likely to significantly inflate the price of 7800 cards."
I could have sworn i read at theinquirer.net $639 but can't find it. That could mean one really expensive ultra. I wish the two companies would start competing a bit more in price.
Yeha there seems to be an unsaid said between the two to keep the prices right up there. Still if you want the best, the fastest and the newest stuff out there: you will always pay up front for it :(Quote:
Originally Posted by 7he]-[0rr0r
mathias, chill! :p:
kempez815, welcome to XtremeSystems :toast:
about 90nm vs 110nm... its even 90nm low-k vs 110nm, so the 90nm is even more advanced and should offer even higher clockspeeds and power savings than 110nm.
but the problem is yields... if the yields are bad at 90nm, and they seem to be, then 110nm will make more sence...
its 24 pipes now and 32 pipes later, you can either build a 32 pipe vpu in 90nm and enable 24 pipes now and the rest later, by then the yields should have improved. or you can build a 24 pipe chip in 110nm (32 pipes in 110nm would be waaay too large) wich will give you good yields from the start but low clockspeeds i guess, and then go for a 90nm 32 pipe later.
ati went for 90nm 32pipes right away, wich is giving them a hard time yield wise right now, but clockspeeds should be high and they can be the king of the hill with the few 32 working pipe cards right now, and will impove the 90nm yields over time and have a perfect chip for the next months.
nvidia went for a 110nm 24 pipe chip right now, wich is giving them much better yields, but worse clockspeeds. they can probably produce masses of g70 chips and produce them cheap, however they wont be the fastest chips around right now. over the next months they will go for a 90nm 32 pipe chip as well (more pipes if you take into consideration that they will most likely go for a unified shader pipeline architecture, but meassuring it in the old ways of pixel pipes it will be equivalent to a 32 pipe chip)
to some point nvidia is smart for having waited until tsmc had mastered their 90nm low-k process some more and only recently started working with tsmc on 90nm with their next gen chip. it probably saved them some pain with getting good yields in 90nm, BUT it will still take them quite some time to get good 90nm yields and they will be laging behind ati in the 90nm process and probably also in 65nm process after that.
so basically it looks like nvidia went for high yields and the ability to sell loads of cheap chips and play it save, while ati went for a more risky route wich will most likely make them the king of the hill with their chip for at least the next few months. since they have more time tweaking 90nm and will already have a resfresh of r520 aka r580 when nvidia gets their first 32 pipe chip out, they should be able to beat nvidias 32 chip in a few months as well.
it reminds me of the amd and intel situation, nvidia goes for the intel strategy, play it save and make sure you can supply the market with loads of chips you can manufacture at low costs, while ati goes the amd way of pokering high and mostly focussing on high end chips that are more expensive to manufacture and cost more, but are slightly faster than the competing solutions (FX and A64 X2)
to me it looks like nvidia will lose more market share... but its a poker game and you never know what cards they are holding in their hands :D
and if ati should not be able to improve their yields and supply enough chips to the market nvidia will be there with cheap good performing chips and will be able to gain a lot of market share back.
id say ati is in advantage though at the current situation and within the next few months fom what i know atm.
For me it will all come down to price. If there is a low $400 card that has SLI and can overclock to GTX and beyond, ill make the jump. Otherwise I will wait until nVidia goes 90nm before I upgrade.
The thing is, G70 isn´t a big improvement over NV40, but, the time ati is taking to release R520, by the time it´s out, (maybe september?) nVidia should have something higher clocked around and it should be fine.
Unless R520 comes in like a month and can score 9-10k stock, i don´t see a problem for nvidia. Tough i agree G70 isn´t very advanced technologically.
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Originally Posted by saaya
define cheap :)
also yields problems are just roumors as far as i know
Thanks mate.....I came here from www.sysxtreme.com (|3ourne reccomended me). I know this place has the best OC'ers in the world so I thought I'd join and take a look. Its a bit overwhelming with my little OC and OK system, but ah well...I'm here to learn :)Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Ah well....yeah I agree on the 90nm vs 110nm...but I think once they both move onto 90nm then things will even out. Nvidia has played this round safe tho...but there will still be a market there.
Lets be honest tho: the top-end market is like a pathetic share of the market, although both sodes want to be on top at the top....its the lower end/integrated share that these two get the serious money from (Intel pwn there).
I think that all this competition is good for us end-users ;)
Thinner core=less resistance=better clocks, cooler silicone and easier OC'ing?? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
NP, hope its about right (in a very simple way ;) )Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
Yeah it seems that ATI has contracted out the manufactoring process but they are having trouble with getting sufficient yields of the chips with all 32pipes fully functioning. I'm sure they'll sort it tho...then the race is, as they say: on :)
i LOVE the comments from you guys about the performance of the X850 based on one man's benchmark results. He used extreme cooling to push those cards beyond what half the members of this board could ever hope for. Bench it on air obtaining your max oc and then tell us what your crossfire score is.
Put one of the new Nvidia's under the same treatment (given it doesnt have any coldbugs) and I bet you will see similar, if not better results.
I guess i have to take back the fanboy part and apologize then, still i don't agree with your speculative interpretation tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman