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06-16-2005, 11:29 AM
Wiggy McShades

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Originally Posted by skeensp

You know what I mean. :slap: How often do you go to the store and see a computer for sell without a case? :)

ok good point but requiring a case will make condensation proofing a :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: but it may add more of a chanlenge to the compition, now that i think about it more.
06-16-2005, 11:46 AM
afireinside

Who would enter a competition with a computer built by someone else? This is XTREMESYSTEMS, not computersinacase.org We take pride in our "heap of parts lying on the table" as you called it.
06-16-2005, 11:46 AM
Entity_Razer

Yhea people in a case have a slight disadvantage concernign airflow and dissipation of heat.

But to me that rule should only count on Aircooled rigs and not on WC or vapor rigs
06-16-2005, 12:00 PM
Fission

Quote:

Originally Posted by drcrawn

Don't know about you guys, but we are in full summer mode here in Seattle, Washington. So...I need to do a little cold weather dance to the Gods above :p:

I'm 3 hours north, and it has been CHILLY the last few weeks. Do it late at night, it is getting down right cold, to the point I can see my breath outside after 9:30pm or so. Granted, Canada is immediately 500 degrees cooler than the states, just because.
06-16-2005, 12:27 PM
LilGator

Ah please people ... it's pushin' 100F here in sunny Florida :)
06-16-2005, 02:35 PM
Thickbrit

I love this whole "benchmark grand prix" idea.I'll be in,fighting for the intel + ati corner,as always.Many thanks to Saaya and Troman for all the time and effort they will be putting into organising this challenge for us all to get excited about.
06-16-2005, 02:57 PM
=[PULSAR]=

Ahhh the perks of directing central air all into one room. Did some benching last year and got my room down to a brisk 10C :) think the ambient was around 27C. Have the feeling that my room is going to be the new Alaska during this competition :p:
06-16-2005, 03:23 PM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troman

the best way to listen and to make sure it wil be honest ....would be a poll..with a short description etc... :)

great idea! :toast:

ok, what do we got?

cinebench
pcmark2004

what else?

frank, seriously, more than one week for each bench?
i think one week is perfect, you can try some tweaks during the week and then bench at the weekend. the idea is just that, you dont have forever to tweak your system but only a limited amount time :)

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Originally Posted by Fission

Unless I am missing something, shouldn't it be pretty realistic for the benches to all be run inside of 1 evening? Can't help but think that if it takes a week to finish 25 minutes worth of benches, you might be out of the running.

Maybe I am totally on crack, or maybe I am just familiar with benching on these programs. Or maybe, it is a simple contest, first one of it's kind at that, and it is not life and death.

its not just about running the benches, its about tweaking the system, carefully pushing the overlock higher mhz by mhz :)
that takes quite some time!

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Originally Posted by skeensp

I would like to see the rules say it has to be a COMPUTER to even be in the competition. Not a heap of parts lying on the table. A computer (PC) is all installed in a case such as sold by Proprietary system builders.

why? whats the difference? i have a bunch of parts stuck into each other lying on a table for months, thats my computer... :D

some have an sff or custom case, should that not be allowed either?
i dont understand what the problem with this is...
and as i said earlier, pretty much everything is allowed, 1st of all we couldnt control it anyways, and 2nd this competition is for you all to have fun, forcing some to change their system for this competition would def mean no fun or less fun for a lot of people :)

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Originally Posted by Entity_Razer

Yhea people in a case have a slight disadvantage concernign airflow and dissipation of heat.

But to me that rule should only count on Aircooled rigs and not on WC or vapor rigs

i recently ran some tests and theres barely a difference between no case and an open case... so to improve the airflow you can just open the case... maybe stick a 120mm fan blowing frash air in... that should be the same as having no case :)

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Originally Posted by Thickbrit

I love this whole "benchmark grand prix" idea.I'll be in,fighting for the intel + ati corner,as always.Many thanks to Saaya and Troman for all the time and effort they will be putting into organising this challenge for us all to get excited about.

:bows:
06-16-2005, 03:40 PM
n00b 0f l337

Will you post a big thread each week saying like...

AQUAMARK BENCHMARK FOR GRAND PRIX COMPETITION?

something big so we all see what the benchmark for the week is?
06-16-2005, 07:37 PM
fatfreepork

pcmark is a great addition. perhaps some 32m pi?
06-16-2005, 07:45 PM
boshuter

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatfreepork

pcmark is a great addition. perhaps some 32m pi?

I think pcmark is a good addition too.... it's a lot trickier to score well on, but there is nothing wrong with making a pc do more than run 3D benches ;)
06-16-2005, 08:03 PM
Wiggy McShades

im pretty sure no one aske this yet but what about drivers do they have to be the future mark aproved ones ? or can you use anyones you want?
06-16-2005, 08:12 PM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by n00b 0f l337

Will you post a big thread each week saying like...

AQUAMARK BENCHMARK FOR GRAND PRIX COMPETITION?

something big so we all see what the benchmark for the week is?

theres a week1 thread already, it will be opened when the competition launches, and the bench we run in that week will only be anounced at that time.
it will go like this for the entire competition, you wont know what the next bench is until the next week starts. except of course for the last week where you will naturally know what bench we are going to run :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatfreepork

pcmark is a great addition. perhaps some 32m pi?

id prefer to keep this 3d related... dont you guys want another 3d bench?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiggy McShades

im pretty sure no one aske this yet but what about drivers do they have to be the future mark aproved ones ? or can you use anyones you want?

good that your asking! i almost forgot about it :D
we will only allow futuremark approved drivers!
06-16-2005, 08:50 PM
afireinside

Damnit! Now I have to make new installs with approved drivers...
06-17-2005, 05:26 AM
LilGator

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troman

Perhaps the following

PCmark04
Cinebench
Sissoft sandra

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

id prefer to keep this 3d related... dont you guys want another 3d bench?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troman

Codecreatures Benchmark Pro
(can be downloaded here )

:thumbsup:
06-17-2005, 06:25 AM
saaya

im no sandra fan :D
codecreatures sounds cool, what about using a game benchmark?
half life2? doom3? (via has just released a nice new doom3 timedemo) far cry? riddick is supposed to be very demanding, is there a good bench or timedemo of it?
06-17-2005, 06:30 AM
Stuperman

If you want to use a game benchmark,y not try the X2:the threat roling demo?

that way you don't need the game.
06-17-2005, 07:01 AM
saaya

you dont need the game for far cry and doom3 either, dont know about hl2 VST and riddick.

x2 the threat... hmmm imma go check it out :)

is there a way to bench with battlefield2? :D
06-17-2005, 07:23 AM
LilGator

FRAPS and a demo for BF2 I think ...
06-17-2005, 07:28 AM
Fission

1 bench a week?

If I may suggest then that we do 3D2001 first, so we can install Win2000/8.1, and then get that out of the way so we can get back to our regular gaming?

Codecreatures is pretty decent, and it is purely GPU dependant, but there are already enough pure 3D benches IMO, Superpi/PiFAst are the only pure CPU ones really right now. Will Xtreme Marks be derived 90% from graphics tests? We need more CPU tests, and I agree, forget Sandra.

Older 3D benchmarks will help blend CPU/GFX performance.

Also - In regards to video drivers, can we have a common group of drivers to select from? That will even out the playing field a bit, or at least for some tests.
06-17-2005, 08:50 AM
HousERaT

If we decide to go with the various game benchmarks, will the demos and stuff be provided? I have the basic stuff like 3DMarks and Aquamark3 but some of this other stuff I don't. Will be given links to get all this stuff?
06-17-2005, 09:52 AM
=[PULSAR]=

Whatever happened to 3DMARK99 :D That would be fun just for ****s and giggles. We should definitely have a test thats all CPU and mem not really graphic related. SPI 8M sounds good to me too but I guess its upto everyone else :)
06-17-2005, 11:15 AM
LilGator

The main problem here is accountability. You have to be able to prove your score. 3DMark has the ORB, AM3 has the ARC, and Super_Pi has the checksum I believe. All can be verified, and they are used almost as the 'standard' in overclocking. Adding other tests is going to be trouble as we'll have to believe screenshots...

Teams sounds like fun :) Designate teams beforehand, and have them stuck for the remainder of the contest. Balance 'em out so every team has a good combo of different categories [air/water/phase] and a fairly competitive chance of beating each other. Would be very fun :D
06-17-2005, 11:38 AM
LilGator

HardwareOC FarCry Benchmarking Utility ? It does pop out an HTML result, but then again there is no way to know it hasn't been modified ...
06-17-2005, 11:41 AM
LilGator

Also, CINEBENCH 2003 is multithreaded, and has a 64-bit build as well so we'd have to make new categories for Dual-CPUs and 64-bit CPUs; something I think we want to avoid...

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