"Grouper" first look

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06-01-2005, 07:11 AM
babyelf

bigtoe... any idea of an ETA?
06-01-2005, 07:13 AM
eva2000

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Originally Posted by bigtoe

Whats with these venice CPU's, its real hard to clock TCCD with the one i have here?

2901T and over 300 2T both with good bandwidth, are peeps still having to run 2T with venice or was it just a bad week code etc?

tell me about it http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=573

but my 2nd venice, 3000+ 0516 GPAW seems to so far in memtest like 300mhz 2.5-4-3-7 1T while my 3200+ 0518 APDW didn't like it... probably mem controller related again heh.... both san diego and venices seem to like BH-5/UTT BH-5 more than TCCD though
06-01-2005, 07:14 AM
flutie98

wow this thing has some serious stats... any idea on timeframe of release and pricing?
06-01-2005, 07:16 AM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by babyelf

bigtoe... any idea of an ETA?

I will ask
06-01-2005, 07:28 AM
LowRun

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigtoe

I will ask

Many many thanks for that :)
06-01-2005, 07:36 AM
Mr. Tinker

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Originally Posted by bigtoe

board color can change, the RD480 was black and red so Sapphire could end up using the same for this also.

It wold be cool to see a black board with UV reactive screen printing on paths and stuff so it appears as though you're looking down on the world of TRON. I know this can be done more or less with UC reactive pen, but a manufactured board would be so nice. I guess I'm slightly off-topic.
06-01-2005, 07:37 AM
flutie98

Also do you know which southbridge its using? Ive heard there is some issues with the Ati southbridge and alot of mobo manufactures are using Uli SB's
06-01-2005, 07:38 AM
babyelf

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigtoe

I will ask

cheers :toast:
06-01-2005, 07:40 AM
AgentVX

Bit of a noob question but how is it that they are able to allow VDIMM settings of 2.5V all the way up to 4V without having to change a jumper like on the DFI boards?
06-01-2005, 07:50 AM
Tony

Vdimm is always fed off the 5V rail...no jumper required.
06-01-2005, 07:51 AM
babyelf

bigtoe.. tried with sandie yet?
06-01-2005, 08:03 AM
FireDragon

Yes has ATi got the SB working?

Dragon
06-01-2005, 08:08 AM
charlie

AWESOME 939 board!!!!
But with the performance of Dothan and the OLD as dirt P4P/P4C's... AMD needs to find more CPU power :D

C
06-01-2005, 08:47 AM
Fairydust

I dunno what's going on with that Southbridge rumor. If I remember correctly this was purely an issue with the SB400 and has been resolved in the SB450 several Weeks ago. Or is the SB450 having issues too now?
06-01-2005, 10:00 AM
situman

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigtoe

Vdimm is always fed off the 5V rail...no jumper required.

i wonder how ATI will manage the superheated mosfet when only 2.8vdimm is used. We all know that DFI will have a heat issue when less than 3.3vdimm is used.
06-01-2005, 10:06 AM
Grayskull

This board doesn't have super heated anything. It's using a totally different architecture for every power supply compared to any board that I've seen. Efficiency is kept high to avoid thermal stress. Tony will tell you that the board doesn't get hot no matter how much voltage/current you pump through the memories.

There have been some questions regarding maximum currents that the board can deliver. The board as seen here is not configured to deliver full current capacity. It can and it does with different parts that fit on the same board. We saw no need to do so for engineering samples.

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Originally Posted by situman

i wonder how ATI will manage the superheated mosfet when only 2.8vdimm is used. We all know that DFI will have a heat issue when less than 3.3vdimm is used.
06-01-2005, 11:13 AM
Master_G

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Originally Posted by bigtoe

Around six months ago ATI approached me for input with regard to what i would like to see on a motherboard. i suggested many of the features you see that are on this board. These included:

The ability to water cool the mosfets etc.
Well engineered Vdimm power regulation
VTT tweaks
Multiple voltage options
totally seperate clocks for PCIE, sata etc etc
and a host of other enhancements to create a "pure" enthusiast board ;). Now, its a board you have to tweak, but its really worth while seeing how you can dial in stability etc.

Respect to ATI for doing this and actually following through, i so want this board right now, i can then throw this gigabyte POS in the bin HURRAH :banana:
Sounds awesome if it doesnt have muhc getting heated up, those with water can run pretty silent, and i dont have to add any fans to direct air onto the motherboard.
Nice placement of the CPU socket too, means that people with Prommys and LS's will be able to have their case side on with the hose out of the way.
Generally :woot: with this board!

G
06-01-2005, 11:17 AM
metro.cl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grayskull

This board doesn't have super heated anything. It's using a totally different architecture for every power supply compared to any board that I've seen. Efficiency is kept high to avoid thermal stress. Tony will tell you that the board doesn't get hot no matter how much voltage/current you pump through the memories.

There have been some questions regarding maximum currents that the board can deliver. The board as seen here is not configured to deliver full current capacity. It can and it does with different parts that fit on the same board. We saw no need to do so for engineering samples.

great news, any eta?? and pricing??
06-01-2005, 11:23 AM
Badong

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigtoe

Around six months ago ATI approached me for input with regard to what i would like to see on a motherboard. i suggested many of the features you see that are on this board. These included:

The ability to water cool the mosfets etc.
Well engineered Vdimm power regulation
VTT tweaks
Multiple voltage options
totally seperate clocks for PCIE, sata etc etc
and a host of other enhancements to create a "pure" enthusiast board ;). Now, its a board you have to tweak, but its really worth while seeing how you can dial in stability etc.

You're the man Tony ;) I'm sure plenty of us will thank you for your efforts! :toast: By the way, do you think it's safe to assume that boards from 3rd party manufacturers will incorporate all the features available on Grouper? It should be a reference board, right?..
06-01-2005, 12:06 PM
Tony

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Originally Posted by Badong

You're the man Tony ;) I'm sure plenty of us will thank you for your efforts! :toast: By the way, do you think it's safe to assume that boards from 3rd party manufacturers will incorporate all the features available on Grouper? It should be a reference board, right?..

Its a sapphire board, so look to sapphire for these features.
06-01-2005, 01:15 PM
Rabidmoose171

Pretty sweet board... Cant wait to see some benchmarks of it against the DFI NF4 board. May have to upgrade.
06-01-2005, 01:27 PM
REBEL900

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Originally Posted by bigtoe

I will ask

Thanks TONY, it looks like a killer! :toast:
06-01-2005, 02:30 PM
Tony

So 3d2001 with the 850XT PE at stock clocks, Sandiego at 260x11 with the trusty VX at 2-2-2.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=31749&stc=1
06-01-2005, 02:31 PM
WeStSiDePLaYa

any body else notice the 3 bios sockets? only one being occupied. whats up with this?
06-01-2005, 03:07 PM
Badong

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Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa

any body else notice the 3 bios sockets? only one being occupied. whats up with this?

Must be an engineering sample thing

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