News: Creative Xi-Fi launched!

$2000 for a reciever???

I bought my 6.1 for $179.

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BTW there are speakers that handle up to 60Khz

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Yeah, they're called tweeters.

A tweeter alone is only good for the highs... it can't reproduce the mids or lows, so you'd need a woofer and a driver with it to get decent sound reproduction. All decent box speakers have at least one of each, so they aren't exactly a rarity.

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but that has nothing to do with the sampling frequency - 192KHz audio doesn't provide a sound with 192Khz, the most we can hear is about 22Khz, but it a 22Khz sound is sampled at 44Khz which is only twise the sound we hear, so this sound is not well produced. Sampling sound at 96 or 192 Khz hepls for much better sound representation of what we hear, and also what we feel, cause infra and ultra sound can be senced with different organs except the ears.

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Actually, reproduction and sampling walk hand in hand. One is a component of input, while the other is output.

Since you technically can't reproduce audio at frequencies that high, nor can they sustain that frequency, it really doesn't matter, as long as the sound is sampled at 48Khz or more.

"Audio representation" is a term the industry came up with to sell their more expensive products to people who don't know any better.

The only way they're going to be able to improve clarity for most speakers is by making diaphragms with more concise vibrations, such as titanium treated with diamond or sapphire.

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Originally Posted by LOE

There is no need to explain to me speakers and sound - I'm in audio recording for half a decade. In your words sound engineers who make sound buy overrated equipment cause they are dumb? And before there are titanium diaphragms sound will most likely project directly into our hears

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For someone who says they "know audio", you certainly don't have a leg to stand on:

http://www.audiovideo101.com/dictionary/diaphragm.asp

"Diaphragms must be stiff and sturdy while also being light weight. They need to be able to move and respond quickly, necessitating light weight. They also should not flex or deform as they move (which would cause distortion), requiring a strong structure. Most domes are made from some sort of light-weight metal (typically aluminum or titanium), silk or a light weight plastic. Midranges and woofers are typically cones that are made of some type of treated plastic or strong, specially formed paper. Diaphragms are what make it possible for speakers to generate sound by vibrating and exciting the surrounding air with their vibrations. "

Furthermore, that Yamaha amplifier is made up of about 75% quality and 25% simply for show.

Sure, it has a lot of features... but how many of them actually get used on a daily basis? Most of them will never be used, yet you pay for every single one of them.

I mean, come on, who needs that many Dolby Pro Logic profiles? My amp has 6 and I don't use any of them, ever. Dolby pales in comparison to DTS, and unfortunately, the only way to get a source that's encoded at 24bit/96khz is through DTS.

There are so many things wrong with what you just said, that I'm almost afraid to touch it.

First of all, you can't deny that you said titanium diaphragms don't exist, because I can quote it:

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And before there are titanium diaphragms sound will most likely project directly into our hears

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Second, wooden diaphragms are rarely used for speakers. In fact, they're so rare that I only know of one company that actually makes these type of speakers.

However, there are some shortcomings:

1) They only make these speakers with 4 inch drivers... so they're only decent as bookshelf speakers in home use.

2) Wood is only capable of reproducing acoustic audio from string instruments with complete clarity. I would only choose them as part of an ensemble if I wanted to listen to classical music.

3) Titanium has a lower attenuation, higher sound propagation speed, and is more rigid. This allows it to be capable of reproducing audio from all types of sources with clarity and more importantly, accuracy. This is why speakers based on it are more suited for multimedia such as movies, games, and more diverse music listening.


Third, analog and digital have absolutely no effect on sampling or reproduction when used seperately.

Unfortunately, with modern audio reproduction, the audio is analog before it reaches a digital source and becomes analog again after it's processed.

The only way to circumvent loss is by either of the following or a combination of the two:

A) Interpolate the audio to revive frequencies that were lost in the DAC.
B) Sample more frequencies/bits per second so that the loss is minimalized.

So, for you to say that "24bit/96Khz" is hype or that it isn't a step closer to fully reproducing audio accurately is completely and utterly inane.


I honestly hope you realize that you don't need to explain things to me. If I wanted your explanation, I would ask for it... but considering I've had to correct you multiple times, don't even bother trying.

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Originally Posted by Mesce

The X-fi will be released, thousands will buy it and IT will be the best sound card ever made. Look at the competition they have.

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If one wants to just play games on their pute and deal with alot of bloatware then by all means go with the creative stuff. If you want to work seriously with audio (and have done your homework) then stick to M-audio or Terratec (cant beat German engineering), who have always managed to make better quality products than creative along with much better written drivers.

Besides, every studio i visit usually has a macintosh, coupled with a soundcard that ISNT made by creative. Believe me when i say that Fatboy Slim doesnt use a creative product in his studio!! But if he didnt make music and just played games, he probably would!

Cheers, dEl. :)

P.S. Isnt Creative owned by Microshaft ??

it is? :o

i dotn think so they drivers sux with windows xD

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Originally Posted by del_fuego

P.S. Isnt Creative owned by Microshaft ??

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I don't believe so...

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Originally Posted by aoc007

I don't believe so...

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I didnt think so either but i wasnt sure, thanks for the heads up :)

I came across this quote on a website which got me wondering though !!

"Both are considered monopolies in their respective areas. Both use patents to scare off competitors, or just buy them out. Both have bloaty, buggy software. That's a lot in common. Too much." (Are we sure they aren't run by the same people?!!!!)

I thought that was funny.

Cheers, dEl.

They are going to release some X-Fi info Today.

http://www.soundblaster.com/products/x-fi/technology/

Posted 8 hours from release time

To me this launch is starting to look more and more :bs: from Creative's side.

Just read their texts and see their performance comparisons...