im with 4x4n - the user error, lacking support hardware (psu) etc comments are getting old - anything but a motherboard issue in some eyes i suppose...
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im with 4x4n - the user error, lacking support hardware (psu) etc comments are getting old - anything but a motherboard issue in some eyes i suppose...
Common guys, you act like sticking 3.5v+ to your ram is no big deal ! lol
I EXPECT to have hardware die OCing, I've killed countless cpu's, gpu's, mb's, ram, PSU's by overvolting. To put the blame off on DFI just because they made it easy for you to do ??
When using the 5V rail, you need to cover all necessary precautions like cooling the system....and this pwm and chipset with anmbient temp. @35..
Major noone is saying that sticking 3.5v to the ram is nothing.
I am not seeing that.
Alot of folks I see are having problems/ have had issues at even lower voltages than that, meanwhile taking ALL the precautions we know are necessary when running high voltages.
Of course running the 4V Vdimm is risky for ram, but if it's REALLY killing chipsets then thats another matter altogether don't you guys think?
Some folks have had ram die for mysterious reasons with this board, even when not much Voltage has been applied.
I like and applaud the fact that DFI gave us the option to use the 5V rail for high vdimm, but lets not lose sight of the fact that having that option was a MAJOR selling point of this board, so IF there is a problem with the circuitry it's a shame, but not the end users fault.
I've used the 5V rail myself without issues ( I use BH-5 and TCCD), but that doesn't mean that everything is fine in OZ.
24/7 since before they were launched in the us, @3.5v no problems whatsoever.....the hardware in front of the keyboard must have a problem... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by arctic-k20
I dont agree....Quote:
Originally Posted by Major
DFI advertise this board as being able to feed more than 3.2 volts SUPPORTED and its one of the major selling points with this board.
If there is an issue with this design then they should fix it.
Yes not everyone is going to get this problem.....it depends on how long you use/have the computer switched on. Some people will only run their boards for 3 or 4 hours a day, some for 8 or 10 and some 24/7.
Look at it this way......
Mercedes Benz recently recalled 150,000 cars that had a problem with them. They sold 500,000 of these models that had to be recalled. So everyone was not affected.
Just because some people are not getting a problem does not mean there isnt a problem in the first place.
And Where is DFI.....come on we need to hear from them.
Topboy
@topboy, what kind of cooling you put on your system? Users of 5V rail should be really carefull with this.
Someone opened another thread about this at DFIS.
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12609
First post points at user error...............
Things like this are not ALWAYS user error.
I really think this blows myself, as IF there is a problem, mobo manufacturers like DFI ( who as stated, I applaud for the effort) may forgoe anymore efforts to give an option like this again.
Catch 22 IMO.
my hardware - behind and infront of the keyboard is fine but i am using tccd - had nothing but problems with utt but thanks for sharing that YOUR board has been fine 24/7 :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by thelostrican
I have OCZ Ram with 2 80mm fans pointing directly over the ram and the PWIM Mosfet chip...the 1 right next to the dimm sockets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
So not a heat issue
A funny comparison IMHO. How can you compare a car with motherboard?Quote:
Originally Posted by topboy
And a Mercedes Benz with DFI? Besides, way heavier manufacturers such as ASUS and others haven't recalled their motherboards in similar situations..
And there isn't much to be done if the issue appears to be a hardware related.
Lets hope it is not the case..
My point was that just because some poeple dont experiance an issue with their goods does not mean there isnt an issue in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badong
And IF and i say IF this is a hardware design issue on the part of DFI then they are obliged to fix the problem even if that means swapping the boards for new revision boards...As did ASUS last year. Its what we call warranty.
Topboy
Well, abit and msi probly the ideal choices of mobo. Try 'em and probly you wont have anymore problems with your hardware.
Let's not forget Sapphire's PURE series :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
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Originally Posted by topboy
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...2&page=1&pp=15
they say that the cold bug is a board problem due to bad voltaje :slobber: :slobber: maybe amd has nothing to do with it :slobber:
hope someone fix this, i was so close to buying one of this boards
At DFI street, this thread has just been closed:
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12609
It seems no explanation from the mods is present there :rolleyes:
I really hope their silence is because they're working on the fix.
Big surprise...
I am certain restraint had to be prevalent for it to last THAT long.
I notice noone posted anything, it was just closed.
Walls must be closing in.
I have been seeing new/thread post after post about the cold boot issue lately too.
In a nutshell, you're saying that DFI should guaruntee stability using the +5 volt jumper. However, this is impossible. Why do you ask? Because motherboard companies simply cannot/will not endorse overclocking. Despite the fact that DFI motherboards are designed for out-of-spec operations, we as enthusiasts must realize that there are still some risks we must bear.Quote:
Originally Posted by topboy
I'm sure that didn't sit well with some people, so let's be fair here:
1. Do we know that DFI motherboards are engineered for overclocking? Yes.
2. Were there a fair amount of people who bought the NF4 motherboards for the voltage options? Of course.
3. Does this mean that we should be so quick to point the finger when things don't go necessarily as planned? No.
Aside from all of this, DFI even made it a point to issue a warning concerning the +5 volt jumper within the NF4 manual itself. So whether you believe or not, the company did an acceptable job of bringing this to your attention.
I'm sure that some people have simply recieved a bad board or two - it happens with every company. However, I also think that some (if not many) of these cases are due to user error. Now I'm sure that you might have sufficient cooling on your DIMMS and motherboard, but we cannot say this for sure about every single user with a complaint. Moreover, we all have learned by now that DFI's can be a real pain if you don't treat them the right way; in other words, being impatient with these boards (especially in the bios/flashing/jumper switching) is known to cause adverse affects. It's pretty easy to say "DFI motherboards are unstable!!!!!1111" when you don't even know the full story of most of the people with instability issues.
Also, your Mercedes analogy was pretty weak. Think about it this way: Recent Abit motherboards (beginning with the AN7 I believe) have all been shipped with the uGuru tool which includes an overclocking utility. Would a user be justified in complaining if they were unable to find a stable overclock with uGuru? Of course not. This is because motherboards are warrantied for stock speeds only, so anything above that is done at the discretion of the user.
Hopefully this will give you some food for thought on the matter. In no way do I seek to protect and/or defend DFI, but the fact of the matter is that only one side of the story is being heard and even that is an incomplete one. Often times you'll find that those who are having issues with a particular part are more vocal than those who have no complaints whatsoever (myself included in the latter). In the meantime, some other scenarios to ponder:
1. Would you rant about a VGA Silencer not allowing you secure higher clocks on your video card?
2. How about PC 2700 Bh-5 that can handle high voltage but simply won't reach PC 3200 speeds?
3. What about a x800 Pro VIVO that won't complete the pipe mod?
deception``
1) Yes, if its advertised to do so and costs over $100 bucksQuote:
Originally Posted by deception``
2)yes, if its advertised that it would support high volts and reaching 3200 speeds and beyond.
3)It was never advertised to do that.
Very well, but the point here is that DFI never advertised that the +5 volt jumper would guaruntee stability with high voltages. On the contrary, all indications (especially those in the manual) point to the exact opposite. I could understand if a guaruntee were in place (like speed-binned ram that fails to run at its rated speeds), but this is not the case here.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
deception``
Cannot/ will not? I can understand the average co. going in this direction, but THIS board is being pushed as THE OC AMD board, hence the available voltage options, and they have garnered a boatload of sales they otherwise may/would not have gotten. Is it worth it for them? Yes it was until folks started having problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by deception``
I agree, as do most other folks who have a brain. There is NO disputing that IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by deception``
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by deception``
If ya wanna give them credit for that OK, but I don't think that referred to killing memory at lower voltages, or chipsets dying ( dead mobos are not VERY common, but they are around).Quote:
Originally Posted by deception``
Most likely true that SOME are user error, but there are alot of problems, and alot of the folks with these issues know wtf they are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by deception``
This I agree with wholeheartedly, but folks have lost alot of very expensive gear,some of these folks know what they are doing, taking all precautions necessary to no avail, meanwhile nothing has been stated AT ALL until now, and of course THAT is " UNOFFICIAL"Quote:
Originally Posted by deception``
Who's fault is that?
You'd have to be pretty stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by deception``
Come on, just cuz it'll take volts, don't mean it'll clock, I'm not seeing the correlation...Quote:
Originally Posted by deception``
WTH are you talking about, whats that got to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by deception``
The mercedes analogy was better than that.
I am not trying to start anything here, but it sure seems alot of folks are jumping to DFI's defense, when fact of the matter is most of those folks haven't had gear trashed.
I sure hope DFI can come up with a plan to remedy this issue, I believe their board to be the fastest in the land, and I WANT to see them succeed.
I am not blind to user error or fanboyism, both are very prevalent.
Peace
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We're not talking about stability but killed hardware. That's a completely different buisness.Quote:
Originally Posted by deception``
I think you missed the point Higgins. The fact of the matter is that DFI warned users early on the use of the jumper could lead to problems, and dead hardware is no exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
deception``
then it was careless of him to make such a statement publicly in the context it was made it in (i.e a blanket statement), as stated from you, in my opinion. now we have a panic frenzy such as this, and my original paragraphs are justified. that IS IF it wasn't taken out of context.Quote:
Originally Posted by topboy