AMD Turion 64 2800+ First Look!!

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03-07-2005, 02:33 PM
majkel84

2 Gigs on 1V is impressive and looks like centrino killer indeed, but i t doesn't means that Lancaster would clock high, even with higher voltages.
It was preety often to see Winnies that made 2,7G on 1,45 but woudnt ever go 2,9 even on 1,7V.
But SS may change that... i think
Turion is tremendous to show the 754 power !!! :banana:
Get use to 3G on air :banana: :D
03-07-2005, 02:38 PM
terrace215

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Originally Posted by fr0stedflakes

But the thing is that at the same voltage 90nm runs cooler. So the voltage won't need to be lower than the Newcastles to have the same 35w rating. According to the OPN, it's 1.35v. I'm not sure about the voltage on the 25w chips yet.

Also, I contacted an online store about these Turions, and one of the sales staff mentioned they have one MT-30 in stock. My reaction was: :eek:

I'm not sure if it's a sample or what. If he is allowed to resell it, though, I'll be sure to buy it. At the least I'm going to have him send me the OPN so we can find out what voltage these 25w chips are rated for.

Do let us know what the OPN is!
03-07-2005, 02:40 PM
frostedflakes

Will do. I couldn't have even imagined they'd have one already.

He also said that they'd have more by April. So I'm guessing the 4/18 release date I read about somewhere is fairly accurate.
03-07-2005, 03:09 PM
Bloody_Sorcerer

yahoo! hope for us 754ers after all! :banana:
03-07-2005, 03:58 PM
frostedflakes

It was just a sample. I doubt they're too anxious to break NDA and sell some kid a Turion mobile. :D

Looks like the CPU is currently installed in a system, so he couldn't get me an OPN.
03-07-2005, 04:37 PM
terrace215

It's often more difficult to purchase mobile CPUs anyhow.

But if it is in a system, he could run CPUZ...
03-07-2005, 05:04 PM
frostedflakes

I don't know if the guy knows about CPU-Z. I can go ahead and shoot him an email about it, though.

The guy works for memoryexpousa.com. They have Turion listed in their AMD mobile section. If the prices are anywhere as reasonable as their current mobiles, I think this would be a great place to get Turion.
03-07-2005, 07:14 PM
perkam

But the question remains, will we be able to buy it off retailers in quantities AND are we perfectly sure that they will be fully compatible with desktop boards.

Cause if they'll work with 754 desktop boards, then I finally understand what the fuss behind Turion is all about ;)

Perkam
03-07-2005, 07:22 PM
WeStSiDePLaYa

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

But the question remains, will we be able to buy it off retailers in quantities AND are we perfectly sure that they will be fully compatible with desktop boards.

Cause if they'll work with 754 desktop boards, then I finally understand what the fuss behind Turion is all about ;)

Perkam

oh im getting one, im sure the dfi guys will get it to work ;)
03-07-2005, 07:26 PM
perkam

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oh im getting one, im sure the dfi guys will get it to work

I know, it just might delay my Intel DDR2 upgrade. As long as AMD keeps SSE3 in them :up:

Perkam
03-07-2005, 07:54 PM
frostedflakes

The DFI supports all current mobiles. If the existing BIOS versions don't support Turion, I'm sure they'll release one that does.

Although none of the motherboard manufacturers want to admit it publicly, I think many quite a few of the most popular have included microcode support for Athlon64 mobiles. I think the Chaintech VNF3-250 and MSI K8N Neo are also compatible with low-power mobiles.
03-07-2005, 08:13 PM
saaya

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Originally Posted by |3ourne

Saaya , ull be surprised how many winchesters are stable while undervolting. I myself have owned two winchesters , a 3000+ and a 3500+ , both were stable at 1.158 V and 1.2 V respectively . By stable I mean any given benchmark , 3d or prime95 or S&M or stresscpu. They were completely stable at stock speeds.
I undervolt my processor as a part of my burn-in process , thanx to Sentinel who has posted in this very thread and whose burn in guide is posted over at OC Forums. I have had many pms requesting me to make a burn in guide and I am currently working on one. I hope Sentinel doesnt mind , its basically his concept which has worked great for me till now . :toast:

yeah, ive seen several chips at 2ghz+ with 1v stable, i didnt know that current chips already clock that sweet with low vcores! but those were all really good chips, if this is average for a turion it will revive the 754 market in no time! :D

and about availability... i think it will be the same as with current mobile chips, they are not everywhere, but you can buy them for a decent price in big shops :) might just take some time before they are in stock :)

and i hope amd can cope with the huge demand so prices dont shoot up :D

and about bios support, dfi will definately support them, and if they do all the bios modders will see how they changed the bios to work with a turion and can hopefully apply the same changes and transfair the code to the bios files of other 754 boards :)
prepare for a lot of work tictac! :D
03-07-2005, 08:19 PM
perkam

Cos they're single channel, does that mean they'll lose points in 3dmark 01/03 or 05 ??? or does single channel affect encoding audio video etc ???

Perkam
03-07-2005, 10:02 PM
Mats

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Originally Posted by fr0stedflakes

Although none of the motherboard manufacturers want to admit it publicly.....

I've seen one exception, MSI K8NM. Although I wouldn't call it "official support".
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/suppor...UID=622&kind=1
03-07-2005, 10:14 PM
DrJay

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Originally Posted by perkam

But the question remains, will we be able to buy it off retailers in quantities

How many you lookin' for?
03-07-2005, 10:19 PM
perkam

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How many you lookin' for?

LOL only one, but I might not buy one until the Turion 3400+ comes along. That would some nice 90nm+SSE3 sweetness :D

Perkam
03-08-2005, 08:09 AM
elec999

Will this cpu cost alot when its released.
Thanks
03-08-2005, 08:31 AM
LowRun

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Originally Posted by elec999

Will this cpu cost alot when its released.
Thanks

Yes
03-08-2005, 09:00 AM
TEDY

damn it why did i move to 939 system then ??

why not 939 mobile winchester ?
03-08-2005, 12:36 PM
Bloody_Sorcerer

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Originally Posted by perkam

Cos they're single channel, does that mean they'll lose points in 3dmark 01/03 or 05 ??? or does single channel affect encoding audio video etc ???

Perkam

with athlon 64s, the performance difference between single-channel and dual-channel is somewhere around 5%-10% in most things, though with specific benchmarks i can't say for certain.
03-08-2005, 12:41 PM
perkam

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Yes

It would be a direct competitor to the dothans so dont expect it to be cheap ;) Expected prices should be something like:

~$200 for Turion64 2800+
~$250 for Turion64 3000+
~$300 for Turion64 3200+

Remember, the only other procs in the next few months that will have SSE3 and 1mb cache will be the 4200+ :eek: so cheap is out of the question :up:

EDIT: Prices revised cos 3700+ costs $340 (which is amazing) :) Interestingly enough INtel's dothans cant do double channel either, afaik, so that will not be a reason for a lower price, neither will be the fact that most other newer procs on 754 will be value semprons.

Perkam
03-08-2005, 01:10 PM
Franky 4 Finger

I thought dothans were only limited by their current chipset. I believe that they will have dual channel on the Alvisonm chipset.
03-08-2005, 01:15 PM
ss284

Franky is right, the alviso chipset supports dual channel with dothans.
03-08-2005, 01:39 PM
perkam

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Franky is right, the alviso chipset supports dual channel with dothans.

Probably, and thats also why they are and will continue to be unreasonably priced whereas the Turion64s (as they wont be comign 939) will be much more competitively priced.

Perkam
03-08-2005, 01:46 PM
Franky 4 Finger

They arent unreasonably expensive until you get over 2ghz.

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