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I say that if such an overclock was done using a cascade that took weeks to be built, and hours to be set up, for example, then sure, its how overclocking was meant to be done. If someone puts in their all to achieve something, then they should be commended for that, that's all I'm saying.
I can see both bachus_anonym and Kunaak's side of the argument, and i think that these suicidal screenies can be posted, but a lot of OCers wont find it anything spectacular unless its bench stable
personally i dont really see something as a feat unless its pifast or superpi stable (1m and above), and/or 3dmark stable. but i think other people do find suicide screenies wonderous and so you should let each man decide what carries validity for himself, and let the people decide whats interesting and whats not.
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still waiting some benches
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Originally Posted by kiwi
Firefoxx
Take it easy, man. I understand just fine.
I can see what you both mean, but still. Alright, say the mhz can't run 24/7 stable or even run a bench. He still hit 400mhz. Thats something to :toast: to. Its still a great result. Do I run Prime95 to test if I'm stable? no not really, if I can game and run D2OL its good enough for 24/7 clocks. Its all a matter of opinion of if an overclock is great or meaningless. I may look at something as great, you may look at it likes it bad.
jjcom
It's just nice to see what's the most mhz we can squeeze out of the hardware.
IMO you gotta figure that out first, then worry about getting it stable.
Both types of accomplishments have their place IMO :)
Let's use some other examples where maybe views aren't so polarized...
Is a 100m world record holder's accomplish any less because he can't maintain it for a mile?
Is a marathon runner's world record any greater because it was over a long distance?
or flip it around:
Is the 100m record greater because it was extremely fast?
Is the marathon record less because it was done at a fairly slower speed?
How long is long enough in regards to time vs speed? What's the determining factor? Someones opinion?? Who's opinion???
Take race cars...
Is the sub 4s drag racer's record worthless because the engine would blow if run for a mile at that speed?
If you think so, then is a stock car racer's speed the cat's meow because it was over a 4 hour period?
Or are only 24 hours of Lemans records the ones that mean anything?
Or maybe you have to be able to run it 24/7 for weeks on end?
Why is one time period any better than another in regards to records, why is one any more or less an accomplishment than the other?
Or in the case being discussed... why is the ability to boot into windows and grab a screenie any less of an accomplishment than being able to run pi1M or pi32M more so than pi1M? Are those accomplishments meaningless too if the settings can't be run 24/7 doing anything you can throw at it???
Or how about this thought... is a XXX Mhz OC more significant than an XXX+ZZZ because it was done with air cooling and the other took a prommie to be "stable"? What about a mem OC done with a winnie vs an FX?? Is the FX record less of an accomplishment because it took an FX to do it?
Just because you don't understand one side or the other, don't denegrade what someone else is able to do. If something isn't significant to you, fine, no problem :) But that doesn't mean it isn't to someone else, doesn't mean it isn't an accomplishment, and it sure as heck isn't a just reason to say as an absolute that it is "worthless" or "meaningless"...
If you don't like drag races, don't watch them. If you don't like the 24 hours of Lemans flip the channel. But don't put them down or attempt to lessen their significance.
*gets down off soapbox*
Oh, one other thing... useful information can be gleaned from even suicide BIOS shots. For example, there's useful info in those 400+ Mhz screenies that can be applied to your flavor of OC'ing, whatever it is, if you just open your mind and take the time to look ;)
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2T and horrid timings, but hey its still way up there, and sync at that. :slobber:
@EMC2
But you see... I just don't get the point of that accomplishment...
This example could be titled: "A Guide To Make Your PC Slowest Machine On Earth"
Ingredients:
1. One stick of 256MB - meaning single channel
2. Command Clock 2T - everybody knows what it means on A64
3. CAS3 -even though it makes little difference comparing to 2.5, but still
3. 9-5-5 - some of slowest timmings you can get
And on top of that - not even single bench - not even Sandra :(
Is that REALLY worth the effort ???
If he used both sticks, and run them @ 311x9 7-3-3-2.5 instead (possible to bench with some TCCD but hard to stabilize further), he would have outperformed himself @ that 400... But yeah, I forgot... No cool looking "record" then :rolleyes:
EDIT: I really don't mean to bash him personally. I just don't think that this is a great accomplishment. I would love to invite him to do some serious benching as he probably got hold of some memory that has pretty good potential. This screenshot just puts those sticks in not the greatest light at the moment. I might change my point of view if benches surface. It would be a lot better to see tighter timmings, though ;)
The 100m sprint vs a marathon run would be comparing an LN2 suicide Pi vs a 24H Prime stable system. But suicide shots are akin to dropping dead after taking two steps. Because the guy who fired the gun to start off the race aimed it at your ribs.Quote:
Originally Posted by EMC2
:D In my opinion it's kinda sensless discussion here.
Get two people at one table - one from INTEL and the other from AMD - and ask what brand performes better, think You all know what will happen.
So I agree with Kunaak, we are XS here and why don't post an extreme screenie as long as someone's honest and tell us that it is just a screenie ?
But I can see also bachus' point, problem is here the old and always discussed one: What is stable ?
Bachus sees a stable system when it's doing SuperPi 32M errorfree AFAIK.
But take a look at OPP - he told us about himself he never uses memtest or SuperPi - for him a system is stable when all games are running, machine is workin' fine 24/7 and the benches can be done.
So all is depending on the point of view - what if someone's opinion is that stable means running prime 24/7 for 1 year ?
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Alright... This might be my last post in this thread :)
Everybody knows what stable is. Some people just refuse to aknowledge that within OC community there are just certain levels of stability that different people are after. It depends whether you're going after records or 24/7 full server-like stability:
1. only CPU-Z screenshot stable - least glory (in certain situations it might indicate e.g. CPU's potential going from suicide screenie on air to full set of benches on phase change)
2. Sandra stable - some glory, although not too much either
3. SPi 1M and Pifast 10M stable - good start ( Pifast 10M is even better ;) ). Many participate in this because: it doesn't require too much stability (not talking about super xtreme speeds here), it takes less than 30-40s to complete, even PCI vc will do :)
4. SuperPi 16M stable - this usually means that you can do 3D benches, too.
5. 3D stable - Great accomplishment as far as benchmarking goes.
6. SuperPi 32M stable - Tells that your setup is semi-stable for 24/7 usage
7. Prime95, Memtest for Windows stable - Ultimate stability. Benchmarkers don't care as mostly they have back-up rig anyways. I know I do ;)
So... Where are any benches at DDR800 for us to compare ??? I'll be subscribing to this thread, waiting for more :)
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So, building a dragster that runs down a 1/4 mile stretch at 330+ miles per hour and around 4 seconds is a waste as well?
"Suicide screens" are an achievement just like any other, and if you chose to hold a different opinion then at least have the decency to respectful of the persons achievement.
Now drop it guys.
THAT particular dragster doesn't run at all as far as I can see... And I can assure you, it WILL NOT do 4s when it finally starts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
That's a very good point. We have to introduce some rules and regulations.Quote:
Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER
--- Bachus ---
To some, just getting up and making it across the room without help is an accomplishment bro. Sometimes it's about perspective :)
Regarding the title of the thread... look at it closely... "Ram frequency record --> 400 1:1?". It wasn't "I invented the greatest thing since sliced bread"... it was a Q if something that was done might be a first.
The point of doing something??? Haven't you ever done something just to see if you could, to test yourself, your abilities, in some endeavor? To see how far you could push yourself or your equip? Sometimes the point is simply...to do what nobody else has done before... and sometime it's just to do it. Sometimes it isn't even the end result, it's the journey :)
Regarding is it worth the effort? Maybe, but only he can judge that, it was his effort. Did it bring a sense of accomplishment when he saw that 400M in CPU-Z? Perhaps. Was he able to push his equip to a point further than he thought he could? Maybe. Did he learn something during the journey that could help later to do something different or better? Likely. Was there that adrenaline rush when he grabbed that screenie? Possibly. Could it be used as a stepping stone to other things? Definitely.
It isn't always about "cool"... that's a perception misplaced :) Sometimes... it truely is just about doing... and a rose by any other name, is still a rose ;)
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semantic nonsense.
whats wrong with posting a screenshot. Nobody has broken the 400mhz barrier, this guy does it. He didnt even post the screenshot himself. Another guy did it for him. He isnt bragging about his screenshot. Its nothing serious, just a screenshot, maybe for fun. Nothing serious.
Maybe nobody has broken 400MHz before because we have some "better" records to go after...Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
Like, highest memory performance instead of frequency (AMD vs INTEL - anyone still remebers that???),
fastest SPi ( whatever calculation one chooses ) or better 3D score...
Have you never seen a top fuel dragster before, or "Funny Car" ? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
A SS with DC by Tanuki
1T inside
double WR
http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/KIROKU-GAZOU/Dual-1T-387.png
just awesome, now some benches
I know that Tanuki and his friends read this thread ;)
wow.. cant wait to see 'em :D
The people that don't like suicide shots are mad because they can't do them.