nVENTIVs reply to LS?

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Originally posted by TheDude
Where is that price coming from for the GT? I have $988 usd

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Is that with LCD + Lian Li kit and CPU kit?

Or just for the stock?

I'm interested in knowing cause uptill your post I was fixed on buying a VC LS and was getting ready to place the order by phone on monday...

Me wants to know more of this!

Also anyone know when resellers in US will get their hands on these GT's?

EDIT: Holy F**ckin :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:! GT's mad expensive according to this link http://kit-tronics.com/xcart/custome...ff9a9a48752ade on kit-tronics, and no matter where I've been to Kit-tronics has always had the cheapest prices on vaporcooling stuff

The MSRP for a Mach II GT including display but minus alu kit is 799 EUR / 980 USD

unless kit-tronics want to make like 500US extra on the things i dont think they have the price right.

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Originally posted by JCviggen
The MSRP for a Mach II GT including display but minus alu kit is 799 EUR / 980 USD

unless kit-tronics want to make like 500US extra on the things i dont think they have the price right.

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Phew thx for the clear up Viggen :toast:

That saved me from a heartattack, was wonder why that price is so freaking crazy...

Knowing Kit-Tronics if they ever fix that price it'll prlly be included with CPU kit.

So as it stands at this moment:

LS = $868.44
*includes Lian Li Kit
*includes LED
*includes CPU Kit
*advertises 240W -25C on CPU

GT= $980
*includes LED
*includes CPU Kit
*advertises 200W -18C on CPU

They both seem rather even to me, at the moment I'm still fixed on getting the LS, but if it turns out that LS temps are not better than the GT then I have no issues spending another $100 getting the GT :up:

LOL......-25 at 240w cpu is total BS.....now they are doing what they accused nVENTIV of doing with the temps....unreal.
Wait for Bowmans review dood...at least you will have real facts to base your decision on.

seems like nventiv and asetek are finaly sitting up and taking notice

regassing with the better refrigerants is a lways a good choice

MMMm goood prices for both but ill choose to go with the light speed, but my mind might be changed after the review ;)

What processor actually puts out 240W? And at what speed?

I was at first just amazed at it, but of course I too had my common sense tell me "if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably isn't true"

I dunno I just figured the LS would be a nice fit since I already have a Lian Li PC75...

But now that the GT seems in that range... well I'll just have to wait for the reviews, but I'm more than eager to place my order on monday but I'm not crazy/stupid enough to spend 1.5K on the GT that Kit-Tronics adverstises :wierd:


EDIT: lol thedude called me dood :lol:

EDIT#2: Um these prices are starting to get weird... Hardware gods is listing Mach II GT standalone for 1.2K linky

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Originally posted by `schr0et
What processor actually puts out 240W? And at what speed?

I was at first just amazed at it, but of course I too had my common sense tell me "if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably isn't true"

I dunno I just figured the LS would be a nice fit since I already have a Lian Li PC75...

But now that the GT seems in that range... well I'll just have to wait for the reviews, but I'm more than eager to place my order on monday but I'm not crazy/stupid enough to spend 1.5K on the GT that Kit-Tronics adverstises :wierd:


EDIT: lol thedude called me dood :lol:

EDIT#2: Um these prices are starting to get weird... Hardware gods is listing Mach II GT standalone for 1.2K linky

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Your Mach II GT standalone link is dead.

e power house has ls for 828.99 usd! cheap cheap.............

Fixed link, accidently put lhttp on it :P

But ya I don't understand how they get -25C CPU @ 240W I mean unless they were spraying the outside of the compressor with liquid nitrogen or something

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*advertises 240W -25C on CPU
*advertises 200W -18C on CPU

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I dont think the -25C at 240W there was a CPU temp thou (checked asetek site and all they say is 240W @ -25,5'C - which means evap temp).

Asetek: -25C evap temp @240W
nVentiv: -38C evap temp at @200W

I'm waiting for bowman's results too :)

Now why would you measure the evap temp?

Because its lower then the cpu temp ;)

Probably also because different motherboards give different results when it comes to temperatures, due to different interpetations, so by measureing the evap temp you're in a way leveling the playing feild.

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Now why would you measure the evap temp?

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Cos its basically the only temp that can be compared.

'CPU TEMP' depends on the CPU, mobo, BIOS revision, thermal paste etc etc so there is no point to advertise CPU temps your going to get w/ given cooler.

240w@-25c

Come on now your all sounding like that TI4200 guy that keeps stating we'll see 36k stock in 2k1 with a nv40, lol..

Im still waiting to see the "US" replacement for the danfoss 220v r404/r507 compressor I see no spec sheets even close to the 220v version that runs 115v ATM..

I say we each donate $1 to the Bowman testing center to help him cover all costs for accurate testing conditions :)

Still IMO you will never see a vapochill unit run with the top end cpu clocks acheived on a MACH II/MACH II GT..

To many look at the gas in the stock mach II still as being r134a so its not superiour to the r404/r507 used in the LS, but it take alot more than gas to perform great.

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Originally posted by paul007
240w@-25c

Still IMO you will never see a vapochill unit run with the top end cpu clocks acheived on a MACH II/MACH II GT..

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never say never.

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Originally posted by paul007
240w@-25c

Come on now your all sounding like that TI4200 guy that keeps stating we'll see 36k stock in 2k1 with a nv40, lol..

Im still waiting to see the "US" replacement for the danfoss 220v r404/r507 compressor I see no spec sheets even close to the 220v version that runs 115v ATM..

I say we each donate $1 to the Bowman testing center to help him cover all costs for accurate testing conditions :)

Still IMO you will never see a vapochill unit run with the top end cpu clocks acheived on a MACH II/MACH II GT..

To many look at the gas in the stock mach II still as being r134a so its not superiour to the r404/r507 used in the LS, but it take alot more than gas to perform great.

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Come on now your starting to sound like Geforce yourself... It seems your only response to every thread is "come on now guys you sound like G4ti4200" well for your info, I'm stating info from the Asetek and Nventiv site, I didn't make stuff up on my own :rolleyes:

I guess it seems like Asetek piled on the eye candy in order to deceive the customer? Hey it worked on me... cause frankly I was going head over heels for the Vapochill LS mainly because of how purrttty it looked :lol:

I'll be more than happy to donate $10 to bowman provided he get that review done right :up:

We need you bowman! save us!!

Have no fear, Bowman will get it right. Keep in mind it takes time and he doesn't have the LS unit yet....just the GT.
He has discussed some of his plans with me and he has thought of everything as far as making it a fair playing field.
He is without a doubt the best man for the job.

I just ran across a good thread, posted by Suppor1 (the asetek guy)

Thread is located here: Clicky me!

But to the point, it turns out the EVAP temp is -25C not the CPU, CPU temp is strangely -9C @ 200W

So to summarize/update:

Asetek VapoChill Light Speed:

*Lian Li Kit - eye candy is always a plus
*comes with both intel and amd mounting kits
*cools to -9C @ 200W
*comes with bling bling blue LCD

Total Cost = $868.44 (kit-tronics)

nVentiv Mach II GT:

*Enlight case
*possibly can come with CPU kit @ certain places
*comes with bling bling blue/green LCD of end-user choice
*cools to -18C @ 200W

Total Cost = $981.XX (MSRP as voiced by nVentiv)

Me is itching to get my hands on either one of these, it seems like both are a great deal in their own way. Wish you guys luck in your reviews! :up:

=Nventiv gets their lunch handed to THEM...


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Originally posted by charlie
=Nventiv gets their lunch handed to THEM...


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Don't believe everything you read ;)

-18c cpu-temp @ 200w heatload? yeah right.. would think nVentiv had learned a lesson by now, but obviously they´re still full of BS.

Not that -9c @ 240w is much better .. and thats worse after what they just did to nVentiv.


I will of course eat my hat if those temps turn out to be acurate when Bowman test them.

Prove me wrong and make me eat my hat Bowman, cause i really want -18c in my cpu when running 2900+ @ 1.9v with an A64 :D

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Originally posted by TheDude
Have no fear, Bowman will get it right. Keep in mind it takes time and he doesn't have the LS unit yet....just the GT.
He has discussed some of his plans with me and he has thought of everything as far as making it a fair playing field.
He is without a doubt the best man for the job.

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Doesnt have the LS yet......................


They are busy tweaking the one they will send to Bowman, it will have special exotic gas in it that will keep it super cold so Bowman will rate it high yet after 1 month and the report is posted it will lock up lol :D

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Originally posted by Tomsawyer
Doesnt have the LS yet......................

They are busy tweaking the one they will send to Bowman, it will have special exotic gas in it that will keep it super cold so Bowman will rate it high yet after 1 month and the report is posted it will lock up lol :D

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Sounds more like Chip-con to me (I remember a certain review of the Prommy by a known German hardware site: while not untrue, not all testing conditions were mentioned there :D).
Ah well, no need for mud throwing now, both units seem capable of handling a high load while keeping the CPU below zero degrees Celsius. I'll be glad to read the findings of Bowman on both units :)

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Originally posted by TheDude
LOL......-25 at 240w cpu is total BS.....now they are doing what they accused nVENTIV of doing with the temps....unreal.
Wait for Bowmans review dood...at least you will have real facts to base your decision on.

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got any links disproving Asetek's claims? And what makes you think nVentiv's temps are more accurate especially when you look at MachI/MachII 50% diffrence between there display/software and real temps?
I'm not stating either of those units are more powerful and i'm not mentally attached to either but come on, i know exactly as much as you do when it comes to head to head performance comparsion of these two.