Swiftech releases Apogee XT Rev 2

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04-30-2011, 01:40 PM
brammers

Martin210: Understood, I'll get the best measuring device I can find and report back (might only be to the mm though).

Paradoxx: Contact Michelle at Swiftech and see what can be sorted out - she's very helpful.

J
04-30-2011, 06:30 PM
dr_sharp

I have an Apogee from my socket 775 build. Will it fit my 1155 build?

<---(prepares several dancing bananas and crosses fingers)
04-30-2011, 06:55 PM
miahallen

I just received my block, thanks ST :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinm210

This is what I'm looking for...Thanks!:up:

replace both "?" with "14mm" and you're all set :up:

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr_sharp

I have an Apogee from my socket 775 build. Will it fit my 1155 build?

<---(prepares several dancing bananas and crosses fingers)

From the website (and printed on the side of the box ;))

Quote:

The Apogee™ XT is shipped with a Universal hold-down plate and retention mechanism compatible with all Intel® Core™ desktop processors: sockets LGA775, 1155, 1156, and 1366. All Apogee™ XT waterblocks shipped to retail channels after November 1st 2009 include the motherboard back-plates for sockets LGA1366 (Core™ i7) and 1155/1156 (Core™ i5 and i7). The socket 775 motherboard back-plate is not included with the block and is mailed to users free of charge upon request.
04-30-2011, 08:28 PM
dr_sharp

:confused:

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Originally Posted by miahallen

From the website (and printed on the side of the box ;))

Ah, thank you! :up: Their website was having some issues earlier :confused:

I still wonder if the original apogee will be 'forward' compatible. I guess worst case scenario, I may need a new mounting bracket. I will post back later in the week when my parts arrive.
04-30-2011, 09:35 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by miahallen

I just received my block, thanks ST :D

replace both "?" with "14mm" and you're all set :up:

From the website (and printed on the side of the box ;))

Awesome, thanks!
05-01-2011, 02:14 AM
Captain_Harlock

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr_sharp

:confused:
Ah, thank you! :up: Their website was having some issues earlier :confused:

I still wonder if the original apogee will be 'forward' compatible. I guess worst case scenario, I may need a new mounting bracket. I will post back later in the week when my parts arrive.

Your XT should have shipped with an 1156/55 and 1366 backplate, so you should be just fine. You shouldnt need anything else as long as you kept those original backplates that shipped with it. The rev 2 is only different in flow as it has an improved top. Unless you have a somewhat complex loop and lower grade pump then you really dont need the new top. But the new top will let you expand your loop with some flow rate to spare. So if your going to rebuild then you might want to consider getting it for expanding in the future.
05-01-2011, 05:57 AM
dr_sharp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Harlock

Your XT should have shipped with an 1156/55 and 1366 backplate, so you should be just fine. You shouldnt need anything else as long as you kept those original backplates that shipped with it. The rev 2 is only different in flow as it has an improved top. Unless you have a somewhat complex loop and lower grade pump then you really dont need the new top. But the new top will let you expand your loop with some flow rate to spare. So if your going to rebuild then you might want to consider getting it for expanding in the future.

I purchased my Apogee in 2006 - before sockets 1155/56 and 1366 existed. So I don't have any extra plates other than old AMD socket adaptors.
05-01-2011, 06:08 AM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr_sharp

I have an Apogee from my socket 775 build. Will it fit my 1155 build?

<---(prepares several dancing bananas and crosses fingers)

I don't see 1155 compatibility in the apogee GT listing here.
http://www.swiftech.com/apogeegt.aspx
There is an optional part for the 1366, but nothing listed for the 1555.

But..it never hurts to ask them direct, I'd suggest contacting their customer support:

http://www.swiftech.com/contact-us.aspx
05-01-2011, 03:26 PM
Martinm210

Has anyone tested this to confirm?
http://www.swiftech.com/images/ORIENTATION.jpg

It seems as though I'm getter better results doing the opposite on rev1..could just be mounting variability though..not sure yet.
05-01-2011, 06:00 PM
stephenswiftech

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinm210

Has anyone tested this to confirm?
http://www.swiftech.com/images/ORIENTATION.jpg

It seems as though I'm getter better results doing the opposite on rev1..could just be mounting variability though..not sure yet.

we should update this diagram with the following consideration: the Apoge XT was designed with socket 1366 in mind and this recommendation relies on our testing on several 1366 CPUs. Note that both socket 1156 and socket 1155 were not released back then.

What are you testing on?

Also note that there is quite a bit of variations from a CPU IHS to another, all of our tests (on socket 1366) showed better results with the 3 screws parallel to the socket lever. It's mainly just a piece of information we wanted to share with our customer so that they get the best out of their block.

We'll update this diagram to reflect this asap.

thanks!
05-01-2011, 06:42 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by stephenswiftech

we should update this diagram with the following consideration: the Apoge XT was designed with socket 1366 in mind and this recommendation relies on our testing on several 1366 CPUs. Note that both socket 1156 and socket 1155 were not released back then.

What are you testing on?

Also note that there is quite a bit of variations from a CPU IHS to another, all of our tests (on socket 1366) showed better results with the 3 screws parallel to the socket lever. It's mainly just a piece of information we wanted to share with our customer so that they get the best out of their block.

We'll update this diagram to reflect this asap.

thanks!

No big deal, I was just curious what others have found. I'm testing on an i7 2600K 1155 platform and using a new old stock XT revision 1. I can see where it's important on the rev2 model, but revision 1 seems to have a fairly distributed flow in all directions. I tried to switch between mounts and have been getting very similiar results. Basically the differences are too small to measure without carrying it out over many many more mounts than I'm willing to.:D

A couple of my best mounts were opposite the diagram (on accident) so it had me wondering.

It's all good.:up:
05-01-2011, 06:47 PM
penguins

can't wait to see your 'rev 210' martin!
05-01-2011, 10:29 PM
Johnny87au

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguins

can't wait to see your 'rev 210' martin!

+1 to that :up:
05-03-2011, 06:35 AM
brammers

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinm210

This is what I'm looking for...Thanks!:up:

Just measured with a ruler (sorry it's the best I can do).

14mm for both areas marked with a "?".

For others who are thinking of getting one, mine has the inlet plate prefitted.

The coating is scratched in a couple of places, but it looks like cosmetic damage only (and it's internal at that when assembled, so no big issue).

J
05-04-2011, 05:50 PM
patriciogac

5 Attachment(s)

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguins

can't wait to see your 'rev 210' martin!

I succesfully modded my Apogee XTL and MCW80 housings (Using my beloved Dremel and an attachment to calibrate the deep of the "lapping"). Actual gain: About 4ºC, and the flow is subjetive a lot better (I had a very restrictive loop with 1 XTL and 2 (SLI) MCW80. This time there was a lot easier to bleed the loop (I never saw the bubbles running so fast before!). Sorry that I was so excited that I dont make "objetives" measures before the MOD (SORRY!), anyway here are the pictures ( I cut the CPU block 14mm from the border...)
05-04-2011, 06:39 PM
dr_sharp

You have inspired me!
05-04-2011, 09:34 PM
thegcpu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinm210

No big deal, I was just curious what others have found. I'm testing on an i7 2600K 1155 platform and using a new old stock XT revision 1. I can see where it's important on the rev2 model, but revision 1 seems to have a fairly distributed flow in all directions. I tried to switch between mounts and have been getting very similiar results. Basically the differences are too small to measure without carrying it out over many many more mounts than I'm willing to.:D

A couple of my best mounts were opposite the diagram (on accident) so it had me wondering.

It's all good.:up:

I’ll be building a third loop within the next week and I will be sure to test that. If I didn’t have indigo xtreme TIM I would be doing it right now..

Nice work patriciogac..
05-05-2011, 01:26 PM
lowfat

Are the replacement housings going to be sold from other retailers? Or just from swiftech.com?
05-05-2011, 01:32 PM
stephenswiftech

Retailers carry it.
NCIX in Canada carries it too: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57138&...cture=Swiftech
05-05-2011, 01:50 PM
lowfat

Quote:

Originally Posted by stephenswiftech

Retailers carry it.
NCIX in Canada carries it too: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57138&...cture=Swiftech

I was referring to the XT Rev 2 housing. :p:
05-05-2011, 02:02 PM
antiacid

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Originally Posted by lowfat

I was referring to the XT Rev 2 housing. :p:

indeed I'd like to know the same thing :)
05-05-2011, 03:11 PM
vulcZ

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1304560237

Looking at this picture, what is the specific purpose of that O-ring? I'm probably just missing something, but I don't think it's there to prevent leaks. Is it simply there to help force (restrict) water into the pins?
05-05-2011, 03:15 PM
penguins

yep
05-05-2011, 05:04 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by patriciogac

I succesfully modded my Apogee XTL and MCW80 housings (Using my beloved Dremel and an attachment to calibrate the deep of the "lapping"). Actual gain: About 4ºC, and the flow is subjetive a lot better (I had a very restrictive loop with 1 XTL and 2 (SLI) MCW80. This time there was a lot easier to bleed the loop (I never saw the bubbles running so fast before!). Sorry that I was so excited that I dont make "objetives" measures before the MOD (SORRY!), anyway here are the pictures ( I cut the CPU block 14mm from the border...)

Nice work...:up:

I'll have to try that, looks like a nice easy mod for the XTL and MCW80 owners.:)
05-05-2011, 05:46 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by vulcZ

Looking at this picture, what is the specific purpose of that O-ring? I'm probably just missing something, but I don't think it's there to prevent leaks. Is it simply there to help force (restrict) water into the pins?

It's just there to prevent pin bypass and help bow the base along that shape is my impression. The base is bowed a bit in all directions, but I noticed TIM spread was fairly specific in one direction. I definitely wouldn't take it out though, if anything try Vapor's silicone mod to seal the pins even more.

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