Intel to show off Sandy Bridge at IDF next week, AMD counters with Zacate demo nearby

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09-13-2010, 11:27 AM
sutyi

AMD Zacate sneak peak overt at YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZE2SuJlJCw
09-13-2010, 11:34 AM
Jowy Atreides

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lLNHTu4oLk

the second video
09-13-2010, 11:45 AM
FlanK3r

whau, n1 !!
09-13-2010, 12:23 PM
Sn0wm@n

nice fps difference in the 2nd video
09-13-2010, 12:31 PM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

nice fps difference in the 2nd video

HTML5 is the future,
the future is Fusion

math seems accurate to me, lol. glad to see more and more things being done by the gpu.
09-13-2010, 12:35 PM
Hornet331

Does the GMA HD even supports HTML5 acceleration? :p:
09-13-2010, 12:38 PM
Mech0z

I must say I am not that impressed how it beat the old i5, its only 20-30% and SB should be much faster (More power consumsuing though) but given the gfx capabilities of AMD/ATI I really hope this is one of the smallest versions, unless this test dont scale very well with gfx powers (but then why would amd choose it?)
09-13-2010, 12:42 PM
smut

Looking good, very intrigued by these new low power chips. I think we will see a lot of innovation after companies get their hands on them.
09-13-2010, 12:44 PM
freeloader

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Originally Posted by Mech0z

I must say I am not that impressed how it beat the old i5, its only 20-30% and SB should be much faster (More power consumsuing though) but given the gfx capabilities of AMD/ATI I really hope this is one of the smallest versions, unless this test dont scale very well with gfx powers (but then why would amd choose it?)

I think the GPU & CPU is under 20w. Why complain? :up:
09-13-2010, 12:45 PM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mech0z

I must say I am not that impressed how it beat the old i5, its only 20-30% and SB should be much faster (More power consumsuing though) but given the gfx capabilities of AMD/ATI I really hope this is one of the smallest versions, unless this test dont scale very well with gfx powers (but then why would amd choose it?)

huh??? did you take time to see how much fps difference the amd setup pulled compared to the intel setup ???

the amd setup clearly stayed in the high 30's fps .. closer to 35fps and intel stayed in the mid 20's ... closer to 25fps ... showing a 40+% difference in framerate ... how is that 20 - 30% difference ???
09-13-2010, 12:45 PM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by Mech0z

I must say I am not that impressed how it beat the old i5, its only 20-30% and SB should be much faster (More power consumsuing though) but given the gfx capabilities of AMD/ATI I really hope this is one of the smallest versions, unless this test dont scale very well with gfx powers (but then why would amd choose it?)

im not sure how many HTML5 sites really exist that would even use gpu speedup yet. also if atom dosnt support it at all, i think that would make an even more shocking comparison. anyone have a atom chip and want to compare (non nvidia gpu pls)
09-13-2010, 12:52 PM
Jowy Atreides

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mech0z

I must say I am not that impressed how it beat the old i5, its only 20-30% and SB should be much faster (More power consumsuing though) but given the gfx capabilities of AMD/ATI I really hope this is one of the smallest versions, unless this test dont scale very well with gfx powers (but then why would amd choose it?)

Zacate isn't bulldozer.

It's a 20w chip including the chipset and igpu
09-13-2010, 12:53 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

im not sure how many HTML5 sites really exist that would even use gpu speedup yet. also if atom dosnt support it at all, i think that would make an even more shocking comparison. anyone have a atom chip and want to compare (non nvidia gpu pls)

I have yet to find a single website that requires more than a 500Mhz K6-2 and 50MB of ram.

And that is on the excessive side.

Thus I find it hard to understand, what could people be possibly going to that would require a FULL gpu to speedup the site to a reasonable speed?
09-13-2010, 12:57 PM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by nn_step

I have yet to find a single website that requires more than a 500Mhz K6-2 and 50MB of ram.

And that is on the excessive side.

Thus I find it hard to understand, what could people be possibly going to that would require a FULL gpu to speedup the site to a reasonable speed?

looks to be some kind of game with lots of Flash like features.
vector based rendering i guess is really intensive when you have thousands of of them in a decent resolution. but im not going to act like i know a single thing, cause i dont.
09-13-2010, 01:00 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

looks to be some kind of game with lots of Flash like features.
vector based rendering i guess is really intensive when you have thousands of of them in a decent resolution. but im not going to act like i know a single thing, cause i dont.

I have not been able to find a single flash game or java application that fits that requirement.

Could you perhaps point one out so that I may examine its bytecode and come to understand what would truly improve its performance.
09-13-2010, 01:05 PM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by nn_step

I have not been able to find a single flash game or java application that fits that requirement.

Could you perhaps point one out so that I may examine its bytecode and come to understand what would truly improve its performance.

i wish i could, i dont even know what the hell they showed in that demo. and im not much for games that get played in the browser (last time i did that was on shockwave back in school, talking a decade ago when the computers were sub 400mhz, and enjoyed every bit of it)
09-13-2010, 01:06 PM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn_step

I have yet to find a single website that requires more than a 500Mhz K6-2 and 50MB of ram.

And that is on the excessive side.

Thus I find it hard to understand, what could people be possibly going to that would require a FULL gpu to speedup the site to a reasonable speed?

Guess depends on what your doing or better on how you program it...I know some flash animations that need 90%+ cpu time on a haexcore. :D
09-13-2010, 01:13 PM
Calmatory

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Originally Posted by nn_step

I have not been able to find a single flash game or java application that fits that requirement.

Could you perhaps point one out so that I may examine its bytecode and come to understand what would truly improve its performance.

I had hard time running a flash game called Vector Tower Defence with a 600 MHz P3 in 2007, the fps was < 5. Also with 416 MHz Celeron Youtube was unusable.

1.6 GHz Celeron M can't run Youtube fullscreen at all, though that's because of poor flashplayer performance on linux.

If one blocks all flash content, a 10 year old machine can run 90 % of websites with ease.
09-13-2010, 01:15 PM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by Calmatory

I had hard time running a flash game called Vector Tower Defence with a 600 MHz P3 in 2007, the fps was < 5. Also with 416 MHz Celeron Youtube was unusable.

1.6 GHz Celeron M can't run Youtube fullscreen at all, though that's because of poor flashplayer performance on linux.

If one blocks all flash content, a 10 year old machine can run 90 % of websites with ease.

Guess why every serious web designer despises flash... :p:
09-13-2010, 01:22 PM
BrowncoatGR

Quote:

Originally Posted by nn_step

I have not been able to find a single flash game or java application that fits that requirement.

Could you perhaps point one out so that I may examine its bytecode and come to understand what would truly improve its performance.

Some of the facebook games run very choppy on a P3 1Ghz Celeron i have.
09-13-2010, 01:27 PM
nn_step

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calmatory

I had hard time running a flash game called Vector Tower Defence with a 600 MHz P3 in 2007, the fps was < 5. Also with 416 MHz Celeron Youtube was unusable.

1.6 GHz Celeron M can't run Youtube fullscreen at all, though that's because of poor flashplayer performance on linux.

If one blocks all flash content, a 10 year old machine can run 90 % of websites with ease.

hmm interesting, using Gnash as my flash Interpreter; it seems to play smoothly and without any problems on my 500Mhz K6-2.

I'd need more details about your setup to find the point of the slowdown.

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

Some of the facebook games run very choppy on a P3 1Ghz Celeron i have.

I need names, so that I can actually experiment on them.

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Originally Posted by xVeinx

We like to call it flash :p:.

But WHAT flash applications/games exactly. Something finite and testable please.
09-13-2010, 01:37 PM
-Sweeper_

Today marks the first day of our IDF 2010 coverage and we just left Dadi Perlmutter's keynote. Keeping up with tradition, Dadi's keynote focused on two of Intel's upcoming microprocessors.

Westmere-EX

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...i/_DSC1782.jpg

Sandy Bridge

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...i/_DSC1783.jpg

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...i/_DSC1786.jpg

Officially Sandy Bridge will be called the 2nd generation Intel Core processor, and here are the new logos:

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...i/_DSC1787.jpg

Intel confirmed that Sandy Bridge has dedicated video transcode hardware that it demoed during the keynote. The demo used Cyberlink's Media Espresso to convert a ~1 minute long 30Mbps 1080p HD video clip to an iPhone compatible format. On Sandy Bridge the conversion finished in a matter of a few seconds (< 10 seconds by my watch).

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...i/_DSC1790.jpg

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3916/i...anscode-engine
09-13-2010, 01:39 PM
Hornet331

new thread maybe?
09-13-2010, 01:40 PM
Tiltevros

does anyone knows any link for livestream to IDF???
09-13-2010, 01:46 PM
sutyi

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Originally Posted by Tiltevros

does anyone knows any link for livestream to IDF???

TechReport has some sort of live blogroll of the event. http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/19626

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