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04-01-2010, 10:19 PM
JF-AMD

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Originally Posted by savantu

Well, when you play with fire you should know you might get burned; what goes around comes around.

Are you suggesting that I was in on this?
04-01-2010, 10:37 PM
Russian

I'm glad the 1st will be over in 23 minutes. We can get back to the real world again.
04-01-2010, 11:02 PM
Hockster

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Are you suggesting that I was in on this?

If you look at the guys previous posts he has a serious chip on his shoulder, bordering on psychosis about anything even remotely AMD related.
04-02-2010, 12:57 AM
haylui

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Originally Posted by savantu

Well, when you play with fire you should know you might get burned; what goes around comes around.

:confused::confused::confused::confused:
I don't think this what he would expect and the article is not done by himself
04-02-2010, 01:12 AM
tool_462

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

This was incredibly uncool.

I have had to spend a lot of my day cleaning this mess up with sales and customers. It is not inconceivable that I will have to spend months replying to emails (I still get questions about incorrect information around the Istanbul launch which was almost a year ago.

Thos images are floating around on the web and they will resurface. If my CEO, or my VP saw this before me, they could have assume that I was swomehow in on it. That could have been a career limiting move. How many times am I going to have to respond to a customer or sales person who has an email with some fake slide or benchmark chart? How many times have you been forwarded an image in email? This is going to last long part april first, and the furth you get from april first, the harder you have to fight it because the aura of april fools day is gone. Just the fact that some people actually speculated that I was somehow in on this means a simple explanation will not suffice. That just means more work for me personally.

If someone had not used our actual product code name and not used my name this would have been real funny. To use both not only impacts the product going forward, but it also impacts me personally. This eats up the time of the company for me to have to fix this mess, and with as much time as I spend online in forums after hours, this also cuts into my time personally.

This is like the time last year that I "invented" the E8700 out of thin air. http://www.xcpus.com/reviews/140-Int...re-Page-1.aspx

Then the chip actually did get made :p: So maybe Interlagos will really have that level of performance, we can always hope right :shrug:

Those dang E8700 pictures I made are still most of the top search results online and have snuck all over the place and left the April Fools part of it all behind, so I can understand your concern since you actually care about what info spreads around :yepp:
04-02-2010, 01:44 AM
ilkkahy

I kinda wonder what is going trough admins heads because they havent still killed this thread even though there have been good actual reasons for doing so (still they acted very protective to MM and Kingpins containers internals which is penny business which is kinda amusing). They let it float on the internet out of spite or something? Maybe instead theyll ban me for saying this and this thread is let to live on?

Im not critizing anyone but i think this kind of rumours are not ok if they can harm someone personally.
04-02-2010, 02:37 AM
Motiv

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

This was incredibly uncool.

I have had to spend a lot of my day cleaning this mess up with sales and customers. It is not inconceivable that I will have to spend months replying to emails (I still get questions about incorrect information around the Istanbul launch which was almost a year ago.

Thos images are floating around on the web and they will resurface. If my CEO, or my VP saw this before me, they could have assume that I was swomehow in on it. That could have been a career limiting move. How many times am I going to have to respond to a customer or sales person who has an email with some fake slide or benchmark chart? How many times have you been forwarded an image in email? This is going to last long part april first, and the furth you get from april first, the harder you have to fight it because the aura of april fools day is gone. Just the fact that some people actually speculated that I was somehow in on this means a simple explanation will not suffice. That just means more work for me personally.

If someone had not used our actual product code name and not used my name this would have been real funny. To use both not only impacts the product going forward, but it also impacts me personally. This eats up the time of the company for me to have to fix this mess, and with as much time as I spend online in forums after hours, this also cuts into my time personally.

Better to be in the papers, than not. I would think in future just laughing it off and saying not true, would of been a far better way of dealing with it. The reason the story isn't dead on here, if I may be frank on the mater, is because you did come in with a OTT response.

If anything you should be pleased that your willingness to engage the lay public, has caused your name to be mentioned in the article, and long let your forum face live on.

As they say, better to be talked about (in the AMD sense), than not. AS a marketing bod, I'm sure you will agree with that.
04-02-2010, 02:41 AM
savantu

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Are you suggesting that I was in on this?

Not directly, but your previous actions were bound to create the premises for something like this.

The constant hype ( either direct or simulated ) and raising people's expectations while at the same time downplaying the competitor's products created a certain aura around Bulldozer. While obviously, this is beneficial for your company from a marketing POV, at the same left you vulnerable.You've engaged with speculators ( like Dresdenboy ) and offered inside snipets from time to time directing him.

The question is why are you offended by the prank ( albeit a bad taste one ) :
- your name in it ? Like I've said, self-inflicted. This is what happens when you loiter on an enthusiast site where the average age is 16 years and everybody's problem is how to OC their microwave. Of course, going into real server forums with real server people and engineers is a very different league with other expectations.
- are the predictions too close to reality ? If so, kudos to Dresdenboy and his research. His ambition and your snippets put him on the right track. At the same time, this let's the sniffers at Intel to sense that something is going on in this direction. Whether they've already studied the work of Dresdenboy or they are currently, is a different topic. With 1 year to go, this might give them some threshold to aim for with Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge.

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Originally Posted by Hockster

If you look at the guys previous posts he has a serious chip on his shoulder, bordering on psychosis about anything even remotely AMD related.

Psychosis ? I beg to differ; my only weapons are logic and good old common sense. Somehow, you seem to lack at least one of them.
04-02-2010, 06:26 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by savantu

my only weapons are logic and good old common sense. Somehow, you seem to lack at least one of them.

right, by stereotyping everyone on this forum, u must have good logic for that. im quite shocked your complete lack of respect has not banned you yet.
04-02-2010, 06:35 AM
flippin_waffles

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Originally Posted by ilkkahy

I kinda wonder what is going trough admins heads because they havent still killed this thread even though there have been good actual reasons for doing so (still they acted very protective to MM and Kingpins containers internals which is penny business which is kinda amusing). They let it float on the internet out of spite or something? Maybe instead theyll ban me for saying this and this thread is let to live on?

Im not critizing anyone but i think this kind of rumours are not ok if they can harm someone personally.

This. There's been plenty of threads killed at the request of other's and this is by far the most extreme case of the need to kill a thread i've seen on here. It's just begging for zealot's to jump all over it (as we have just seen).

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kill the dam thread already.
04-02-2010, 07:44 AM
-Sweeper_

Quote:

Originally Posted by savantu

Not directly, but your previous actions were bound to create the premises for something like this.

The constant hype ( either direct or simulated ) and raising people's expectations while at the same time downplaying the competitor's products created a certain aura around Bulldozer. While obviously, this is beneficial for your company from a marketing POV, at the same left you vulnerable.You've engaged with speculators ( like Dresdenboy ) and offered inside snipets from time to time directing him.

The question is why are you offended by the prank ( albeit a bad taste one ) :
- your name in it ? Like I've said, self-inflicted. This is what happens when you loiter on an enthusiast site where the average age is 16 years and everybody's problem is how to OC their microwave. Of course, going into real server forums with real server people and engineers is a very different league with other expectations.
- are the predictions too close to reality ? If so, kudos to Dresdenboy and his research. His ambition and your snippets put him on the right track. At the same time, this let's the sniffers at Intel to sense that something is going on in this direction. Whether they've already studied the work of Dresdenboy or they are currently, is a different topic. With 1 year to go, this might give them some threshold to aim for with Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge.

Psychosis ? I beg to differ; my only weapons are logic and good old common sense. Somehow, you seem to lack at least one of them.

well, he loves doing marketing

this guy told people to wait a little more in a thread about intel xeon 5600 series

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=27

what would you expect? :ROTF:
04-02-2010, 07:57 AM
Frontl1ne

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Originally Posted by -Sweeper_

well, he loves doing marketing

this guy told people to wait a little more in a thread about intel xeon 5600 series

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=27

what would you expect? :ROTF:

This guy runs a big intel Core Duo avatar, what do you expect?

OH SO FUNNY :rofl:
04-02-2010, 08:49 AM
MrMojoZ

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Originally Posted by savantu

The question is why are you offended by the prank ( albeit a bad taste one ) :..

Didn't his whole post go over exactly why the prank was going to cause him problems? It did. Do you not read anything? You didn't.

So sick of fanboys.
04-02-2010, 09:16 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by MrMojoZ

So sick of fanboys.

i think we need one of our techy users to write a post algorithm which checks what topics you post in and what the context of your posts are and label your vendor fanboy relationships under the user name/title.

then allow people to hide or suppress posts by fanboys of their choice.

that sure would make this forum quite xtreme as far as webpage technology goes. and id bet it could catch on in alot of other places too
04-02-2010, 09:30 AM
Hornet331

funny how here fanboys lable others as fanboys... this fits perfectly fine for this issue
04-02-2010, 10:36 AM
radaja

i cant believe that AMDzone did this.even though its just one member(administrator) that did it,others(mod's and member's)seem to think it was fine.
but a few there do see it as a problem.they still have the thread open for discussion which makes me wonder why some here are calling for THIS thread to be closed?
XS didnt do this.i dont think JF-AMD is calling out anyone here,when he says this was uncool.and i can totally understand him when he says that by quoting him for
this joke,its puts his job at risk and his reputation with his clients.this was very bad judgment on their part,yet in their thread the debate goes on over there about
whether it was wrong or not.it clearly was wrong to have put him in this position.

the sad thing is,as this thread shows, lots of people think AMDzone is the official forum of AMD.which its clearly not
04-02-2010, 10:54 AM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

funny how here fanboys lable others as fanboys... this fits perfectly fine for this issue

Damn, you got me there :p::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by radaja

the sad thing is,as this thread shows, lots of people think AMDzone is the official forum of AMD.which its clearly not

I think you're generalizing things a bit there....
04-02-2010, 11:08 AM
savantu

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

right, by stereotyping everyone on this forum, u must have good logic for that. im quite shocked your complete lack of respect has not banned you yet.

??! :shrug: I was talking about AMDZone. That's where the story broke out, didn't it ? Whether statistically this forum has a similar distribution, that could very well be so.

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Originally Posted by MrMojoZ

Didn't his whole post go over exactly why the prank was going to cause him problems? It did. Do you not read anything? You didn't.

So sick of fanboys.

His post said nothing about the story behind. If you can't connect the dots between his excessive ( for such a ranking figure in a company ) presence all over the enthusiast forums, his motives and what it ended up, sorry, your problem. If it fits you, please continue to take his words as truth. Let the "fanboys" to actually use their brain and not be so gullible.
04-02-2010, 11:10 AM
MrMojoZ

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

i think we need one of our techy users to write a post algorithm which checks what topics you post in and what the context of your posts are and label your vendor fanboy relationships under the user name/title.

then allow people to hide or suppress posts by fanboys of their choice.

that sure would make this forum quite xtreme as far as webpage technology goes. and id bet it could catch on in alot of other places too

Don't even have to go that far when you can identify them from their sigs. Thats pretty bad.
04-02-2010, 11:12 AM
HelixPC

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

funny how here fanboys lable others as fanboys... this fits perfectly fine for this issue

HHAHA, i love this song, never gets old :rofl:

Im looking forward to AMD jumping back into the Enthusiast market again with some high performance parts.
04-02-2010, 11:16 AM
MrMojoZ

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Originally Posted by savantu

His post said nothing about the story behind. If you can't connect the dots between his excessive ( for such a ranking figure in a company ) presence all over the enthusiast forums, his motives and what it ended up, sorry, your problem. If it fits you, please continue to take his words as truth. Let the "fanboys" to actually use their brain and not be so gullible.

So his post about why this prank was bad for him didn't say anything about why this prank was bad for him. Check. I wish I could actually use my brain so I'd understand these things. Watching you try to make this out to be his fault is hilarious btw.
04-02-2010, 11:25 AM
savantu

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Originally Posted by MrMojoZ

So his post about why this prank was bad for him didn't say anything about why this prank was bad for him. Check. I wish I could actually use my brain so I'd understand these things. Watching you try to make this out to be his fault is hilarious btw.

We're talking about different things. His post was how is this affecting him, while I'm talking how he got there.
I believe we can agree to disagree on the topic in the future.

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Originally Posted by MrMojoZ

Don't even have to go that far when you can identify them from their sigs. Thats pretty bad.

Coming from someone who has Informal set as friend tells volumes. At least I'm not indulging in hypocrisy.
04-02-2010, 11:32 AM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by HelixPC

Im looking forward to AMD jumping back into the Enthusiast market again with some high performance parts.

I wouldn't mind that. :yepp:
04-02-2010, 11:53 AM
gOJDO

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Originally Posted by radaja

lots of people think AMDzone is the official forum of AMD.which its clearly not

I think that lots of people are thinking that AMDzone is the official AMD fanboys forum.

Few years ago I entered that trolls nest, and I mentioned an Intel CPU. Suddenly I got 10 trolls jumped on me like I have killed all their family. They said that I'm working for Intel. I wish I was :D
04-02-2010, 12:00 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by savantu

We're talking about different things. His post was how is this affecting him, while I'm talking how he got there.
I believe we can agree to disagree on the topic in the future.

So because he interfaces with the community and occasionally talks about some aspects of bulldozer (something we don't have much information about) means that he deserves to have his name attributed to something he didn't say in a fake article and possibly harm his career?

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