AMD: the world's first 12-core processor has begun shipping

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02-22-2010, 07:20 AM
JF-AMD

We are now "official"

http://links.amd.com/MagnyCours
02-22-2010, 07:48 AM
informal

Great blog post John,exciting times ahead :up:
02-22-2010, 08:00 AM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by informal

@ajaidev

The price is the key factor when it comes to Beckton.The thing is huge and uber expensive ,plus the platform as a whole will cost an arm and a leg(not in MC league,neither in regards to the price nor market segment).

Yes it is but people i know have got offers on upgrading to beckton from nehalem quads and as far as i have heard it peaty sweet. The server company has promised beckton 4P system in Q2 for a little extra change. They will off course take the nahelems backs and give heavy discounts on beckton.

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

I will take the "over" on this bet. 1 4P Beckton actually has the potential to be more than double the power consumption of 2 Nehalems.

Each memory channel had an integrated buffer that adds cost, power and heat. Combine that with a price that is 2X the cost of Nehalem on the processors and I doubt you will see anyone in cloud heading in that direction.

Don't forget that Beckton is only 45nm.

The rep from a server company said otherwise, he was so sure that he also sliced the insurance costs to almost half of what nehalem insurance cost was.

I am hoping to get a beckton 4P to test but as they are much more expensive than the i7 980x i have no one is willing to give me a few :(
02-22-2010, 09:44 AM
AmDChick

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

These are not designed to be overclocked, sorry. There is thermal headroom in the processors and they are the same power/thermals as our current 6-core parts, but we do not target them at enthusiasts. The BIOS will not have options that consumer parts have.

I understand how they targeted to the right market, but I don't see a problem in designing them with a little head room and the aspects to overclock well.

I believe in choices, enterprise can choose to ignore the added extras but it would allow people here to buy them and play around with them and show off what they can do, it can only benefit AMD in the long run. :)
02-22-2010, 10:15 AM
jmke

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I understand how they targeted to the right market, but I don't see a problem in designing them with a little head room and the aspects to overclock well.

you're saying that VW should also design the Bugatti for a little bit of tuning head room and a huge spoiler and motor chipping as well.

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I believe in choices, enterprise can choose to ignore the added extras but it would allow people here to buy them and play around with them

you do realize that these CPUs are priced completely outside of "an enthusiast" budget, right?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=270529337772
$7000+/CPU would not be exaggeration.
02-22-2010, 10:32 AM
JF-AMD

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmke

you're saying that VW should also design the Bugatti for a little bit of tuning head room and a huge spoiler and motor chipping as well.

you do realize that these CPUs are priced completely outside of "an enthusiast" budget, right?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=270529337772
$7000+/CPU would not be exaggeration.

Those processors are overpriced.
02-22-2010, 10:41 AM
duploxxx

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Those processors are overpriced.

way overpriced you should see the targeted ASP .... :D (not you off course JF, you also know that)

waiting for UPS at the moment, package will arrive any day now with a 2p 24cores :cool:
02-22-2010, 11:13 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Those processors are overpriced.

Headstart access to the hardware has a price, though. ;) And even at this (not final) price this offer is very competitive (I'm talking about 6 core Westmere chips!) :up:
02-22-2010, 11:13 AM
savantu

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Well, 24 cores with a single memory controller and front side bus? They don't talk a lot about that one.

Actually 4 FSBs and quad channel FBDIMM memory controller who could simultaneously read-write to memory.

Not perfect by any means, but it offered an upgrade path and in most server benchmarks it was equal or better than the quad socket Opterons. I am sure that without the precise tunning it sucked more, but it kept market share in the high end.
02-22-2010, 11:35 AM
hollo

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmDChick

I understand how they targeted to the right market, but I don't see a problem in designing them with a little head room and the aspects to overclock well.

I believe in choices, enterprise can choose to ignore the added extras but it would allow people here to buy them and play around with them and show off what they can do, it can only benefit AMD in the long run. :)

post #61 http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=233565&page=3
k10stat :shrug:
turns CPUs into black editions?

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Originally Posted by SocketMan

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye4077

It's been done already. s7eph3n over in the AMD forum posted last year with some 3ghz+ MC goodness.

His (ES) chip,has an unlocked multiplier,won't be the case for the "regular"
cpus.
02-22-2010, 11:38 AM
JF-AMD

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Originally Posted by savantu

Actually 4 FSBs and quad channel FBDIMM memory controller who could simultaneously read-write to memory.

Not perfect by any means, but it offered an upgrade path and in most server benchmarks it was equal or better than the quad socket Opterons. I am sure that without the precise tunning it sucked more, but it kept market share in the high end.

Considering that each Opteron has a dual channel memory controller that can also do simultaneous reads and wrights, that four channels are going up against eight channels.

Then you combine the fact that the single MCH was also your route to I/O and you start to see some real bottlenecks.

With the huge cache it did well in benchmarks where cache holds the full benchmark, but when you look at actual platform performance at the customer level, it was lacking.
02-22-2010, 12:11 PM
alfaunits

Does he take single machine customers?;) Have him send those offers my way and I might let you play with 'em a bit ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajaidev

Yes it is but people i know have got offers on upgrading to beckton from nehalem quads and as far as i have heard it peaty sweet. The server company has promised beckton 4P system in Q2 for a little extra change. They will off course take the nahelems backs and give heavy discounts on beckton.

The rep from a server company said otherwise, he was so sure that he also sliced the insurance costs to almost half of what nehalem insurance cost was.

I am hoping to get a beckton 4P to test but as they are much more expensive than the i7 980x i have no one is willing to give me a few :(
02-22-2010, 01:28 PM
jmke

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Those processors are overpriced.

so these 12-core CPUs will be <$2000 ? ;)
02-22-2010, 01:50 PM
Gilgamesh

Opteron "Magny-Cours" listed in Europe:

http://geizhals.at/eu/?cat=cpuamdo64&xf=820_Sockel-G34

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2734/captureoh.jpg
02-22-2010, 01:53 PM
zalbard

700 euro? Not bad at all.
In fact, it's a pretty damn attractive offer! And they'll retail for less in the US! :up:
02-22-2010, 02:11 PM
JF-AMD

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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh

Opteron "Magny-Cours" listed in Europe:

http://geizhals.at/eu/?cat=cpuamdo64&xf=820_Sockel-G34

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2734/captureoh.jpg

Man, that would be really interesting if the specs weren't wrong. And the prices. And some model numbers.

Other than that, interesting.
02-22-2010, 02:13 PM
duploxxx

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Originally Posted by savantu

Actually 4 FSBs and quad channel FBDIMM memory controller who could simultaneously read-write to memory.

Not perfect by any means, but it offered an upgrade path and in most server benchmarks it was equal or better than the quad socket Opterons. I am sure that without the precise tunning it sucked more, but it kept market share in the high end.

what upgrade path? There is no such thing as an upgrade path in any Intel Xeon platform. Actually AMD would have been able to do that......

how ignoring intel fan you must be to actually post such perforamnce state,ents.... ever looked at some decent reviews of the intel 4s platform? It's a disaster from the day the opteron was born and will only get decent when beckton arrives.

Amasing which IT companies actually bought this i.s.o. the opteron platform, those must be thrue vendor stickey OLD it bosses. (yes yes but we are standardized on..... crap)

http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3653&p=1

and yes nehalem performs great these days against 4s platform even against the 4s AMD one and totally emberass there own 4s platform, but that is a 2003 socket F platform..... (I'll post this compare anyhow since that will be the next turn you fanboy will make, lets change fast to a 2009 platform :D)

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Originally Posted by jmke

so these 12-core CPUs will be <$2000 ? ;)

depends how many you buy.... :D
02-22-2010, 02:21 PM
mstp2009

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Originally Posted by duploxxx

There is no such thing as an upgrade path in any Intel Xeon platform.

Tell that to the Dual Westmere EP CPUs running in my server. :up:
02-22-2010, 02:25 PM
Chumbucket843

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajaidev

Yes it is but people i know have got offers on upgrading to beckton from nehalem quads and as far as i have heard it peaty sweet. The server company has promised beckton 4P system in Q2 for a little extra change. They will off course take the nahelems backs and give heavy discounts on beckton.

The rep from a server company said otherwise, he was so sure that he also sliced the insurance costs to almost half of what nehalem insurance cost was.

I am hoping to get a beckton 4P to test but as they are much more expensive than the i7 980x i have no one is willing to give me a few :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR8TDu73buo:):p:
02-22-2010, 02:32 PM
duploxxx

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajaidev

Yes it is but people i know have got offers on upgrading to beckton from nehalem quads and as far as i have heard it peaty sweet. The server company has promised beckton 4P system in Q2 for a little extra change. They will off course take the nahelems backs and give heavy discounts on beckton.
(

Intel marketing is trying to sell and push beckton everywhere, to risc, sparc customers, even against there own itanium customers. This is already going on for 1 year now even without a real product, so they must be very desperate with there delays...

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Originally Posted by mstp2009

Tell that to the Dual Westmere EP CPUs running in my server. :up:

sure that is an upgrade path, just like on socket F you could go from single to dual to quad to hex depending on chipset revision......

Savantu was referring to the 2s - 4s platform, you just drag a basic tick - tock into this, why don't you try to push your dual westmere into a socket 771 or even a 604, same timeframe you know.....

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR8TDu73buo:):p:

:D they were probably upgrading from the Pentium xeon generation or the fbdimm heating devices.

I have only 1 conclusion, finally Nehalem is the name and platform of a server based chip worthy....
02-22-2010, 05:13 PM
SocketMan

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Supermicro will have a 1P G34 board. They were showing it last year at Supercomputing 2009. I can't comment on the price as it is not my product.

What if I told you it's 259$ :D

http://www.asaservers.com/product.asp?pf_id=H8SGL-F
02-22-2010, 05:49 PM
Darakian

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Man, that would be really interesting if the specs weren't wrong. And the prices. And some model numbers.

Other than that, interesting.

lol, you mean we can't hope for <$700 12 core chips? :P (yet)
02-22-2010, 06:32 PM
JF-AMD

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Originally Posted by Darakian

lol, you mean we can't hope for <$700 12 core chips? :P (yet)

I'm not going to divulge the pricing until launch, but let me just say that the word "affordable" doesn't normally seem to fit with "12 core".

Until now.
02-22-2010, 09:41 PM
Otis11

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

I'm not going to divulge the pricing until launch, but let me just say that the word "affordable" doesn't normally seem to fit with "12 core".

Until now.

Well, there's server affordable, and enthusiast affordable...

Your first statement makes me think it's over $700... the second makes me question that. :shrug:

Fortunately launch is soon, so shouldn't take to long to find out. :cool:
02-23-2010, 03:25 AM
JF-AMD

Well, our target market is not enthusiast, its the enterprise. Let's just say that server customers will be very happy with the pricing.

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