HD5870 and HD5850 Reviews

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09-22-2009, 06:17 PM
HuffPCair

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Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

Id wait for XFX, Sapphire's support and warranty sucks.

Agreed to that. XFX is the best card out I think. Cant wait to see it hopefully they do something cool to outside case of card.
09-22-2009, 06:17 PM
G0ldBr1ck

Newegg just sold out allready :cool:

They took my order, than sent an email telling me my order was cancled
09-22-2009, 06:28 PM
YukonTrooper

This card is money. GTX 295/HD4870 X2 performance with considerable power reductions and some people are complaining? Crazy talk.

Out with my GTX 260 216SP and in with this sweet piece of ass from ATI. I'll have Milkyway@Home WU's clogging my bandwidth.
09-22-2009, 06:35 PM
Chickenfeed

I'd like to know how they recorded noise levels. According to them the 5870 is louder than the 4890. They also show the 4870x2 as being louder than the 4980. I've had a 4890 in here and it was as loud if not louder so I'm not sure how they loaded the cards. If the 5870 is in fact as loud as or louder than the 4890, that is very disappointing.

I'll wait to see more reviews before making any conclusions but seeing a single 5870 get beat at 1920x1200 with AA ( in a few of their tests ) by a 4870x2 isn't reassuring for me. More so is the fact that SLI GTX 285s don't appear to be that far behind in many cases ( 5870s in crossfire )

One thing is for sure though if I do get any type of 5870, it will be XFX. HIS has the worst support I've ever dealt with in my life (I've tried to have my 4870 replaced for upwards of 6 months... so don't buy one of their cards for the love of god ) and from what I'm hearing Saphire isn't much better.

The only reason I'd be attracted to a single 5870 is if it offers the same and better performance (somewhat so far ) with a quieter audio foot print ( doesn't look like it ) and with reduced power consumption ( something it does do ) I expect them to be around 475 cnd all said and done (exchange, gst, shipping and Canadian bend over tax ) so that is a large investment for a not so large improvement. That said I'm waiting for the 5870x2 and or GT300.
09-22-2009, 06:39 PM
paulhamm

Hmm the over priced eggbeater is selling the HD5870 1gb for $379.99 and the GTX-295 for $469.99 which shows the eggbeater is clearly biased against Nvidia and for AMD. That does appear to be a significant price advantage to AMD. AMD must be very upset about that. They really should have charged more. That way Nvidia would have been able to better compete. I think they should raise the price to $449.99 to make it a fair fight with Nvidia. Thats the right thing to do.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102856 HD 5870 1gb $379.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814143192 GTX-295 $469.99 in the cart

Oh, they should destroy all the Juniper parts and just use the rv790 to compete against Nvidia in the midrange. Nvidia only has the g200b so we have to be fair right?
09-22-2009, 06:40 PM
Monstru

HD5870 vs GTX 295 @ lab501.ro - Google Translator
09-22-2009, 06:44 PM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulhamm

Hmm the over priced eggbeater is selling the HD5870 1gb for $379.99 and the GTX-295 for $469.99 which shows the eggbeater is clearly biased against Nvidia and for AMD. That does appear to be a significant price advantage to AMD. AMD must be very upset about that. They really should have charged more. That way Nvidia would have been able to better compete. I think they should raise the price to $449.99 to make it a fair fight with Nvidia. Thats the right thing to do.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102856 HD 5870 1gb $379.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814143192 GTX-295 $469.99 in the cart

Oh, they should destroy all the Juniper parts and just use the rv790 to compete against Nvidia in the midrange. Nvidia only has the g200b so we have to be fair right?

lol, the 5870 was said to be $100 cheaper than the GTX 295...it doesn't really matter. They are both overpriced.

"I think they should raise the price to $449.99 to make it fair"

When Nvidia came out with the G80 core I was a sucker to buy an 8800GTS. I bought mine for $460. Was that fair to ATi? Hell no, because nvidia was "the all powerful" and "they had DX10".

It recently died for no apparent reason and I replaced it with a $120 4850. I never looked back.
09-22-2009, 06:57 PM
JAG87

Lets be objective here. The card is good, but not great, this is not G80 reloaded. Ati did incredibly well to put out a card that is in most scenarios twice as fast as it's predecessor and of GT200. In some cases it even makes a GTX295 beg for mercy...

But that isn't revolutionary. What is revolutionary in my opinion is that Ati is first to the market. Make no mistake, GT300 will beat this card, it's granted. The speculated specs of GT300 project a slightly greater than 2x performance of GT200, so it will get beaten (IMO at least).

The nice thing is that prices will settle until GT300, and nvidia is going to have to watch their prices if they want to keep their customers. People won't pay a 50% price markup for 10% improvement over the competitor, they better price their top dog no more than 449-499.

The HD5870 is a great buy nevertheless, and we should all thank Ati for keeping their feet on the ground with pricing. I truly hope never to see a $600 dollar launch ever again.
09-22-2009, 06:57 PM
trinibwoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by YukonTrooper

This card is money. GTX 295/HD4870 X2 performance with considerable power reductions and some people are complaining? Crazy talk.

It seems crazy if you selectively choose games to look at. But there are titles where a lowly GTX 285 comes close or beats the 5870. So its performance varies wildly between GTX 285 and 4870X2 levels. That leads me to believe that something is very heavily bottlenecked - after all it has about the same fillrate and bandwidth as a 285.
09-22-2009, 07:00 PM
highoctane

Quote:

Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck

Newegg just sold out allready :cool:

They took my order, than sent an email telling me my order was cancled

I had one in my cart just now but looks like they stole my precious back before I could checkout!! :D

EDIT: I guess this is just a sign for me not to buy on impulse and wait for the price drops and the competition to arrive.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9959/5870h.jpg
09-22-2009, 07:05 PM
Chickenfeed

I'd wait to see more reviews to get a balanced picture of the reality of the matter. One thing I will not deny however is that there are more Nvidia centric titles than ATI. This is most likely do to Nvidia's relations to developers with their TWIMTBP program but its undeniable. That said even with this newer / faster hardware, there are cases were AMD still won't outpace GT200 by a considerable margin. Also I personally feel Nvidia has more consistent scaling across more titles with SLI over crossfire.
09-22-2009, 07:07 PM
HuffPCair

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG87

Lets be objective here. The card is good, but not great, this is not G80 reloaded. Ati did incredibly well to put out a card that is in most scenarios twice as fast as it's predecessor and of GT200. In some cases it even makes a GTX295 beg for mercy...

But that isn't revolutionary. What is revolutionary in my opinion is that Ati is first to the market. Make no mistake, GT300 will beat this card, it's granted. The speculated specs of GT300 project a slightly greater than 2x performance of GT200, so it will get beaten (IMO at least).

The nice thing is that prices will settle until GT300, and nvidia is going to have to watch their prices if they want to keep their customers. People won't pay a 50% price markup for 10% improvement over the competitor, they better price their top dog no more than 449-499.

The HD5870 is a great buy nevertheless, and we should all thank Ati for keeping their feet on the ground with pricing. I truly hope never to see a $600 dollar launch ever again.

So you are saying they should price their cards just like they are now basically. If no more than 499 for their top dog. Well wonder what the 295 has been at forever. O 499.99, they really need to level the prices out a little better. 500 bucks for a gpu that is going to be replaced in maybe a year isnt worth it.

Ati has done a great job at producing cards. The only people that seem to be dissing on it are the ones that are afraid someone is going to have a better card than them. 295 is a great card yes, but the 5870 is going to be a great card if not better when the drivers start to get out of the beta phase.

I truly do not understand how many people can criticize a card that isnt even out yet or hasnt even been out longer then a few hours at the most.
09-22-2009, 07:48 PM
trinibwoy

Guru3D: http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-review-test/
09-22-2009, 07:49 PM
JohnJohn

http://www.tomshw.it/guides/hardware...%20No%20AA.png

LOL man im tired of seeing that Gtx295 dying again & again at high resolutions :ROTF:

I wonder if they can run some insane resolutions with some multi-monitor support :rolleyes:

And only @ 380 :eek: :clap: :up:
09-22-2009, 07:58 PM
onethreehill

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=783
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=858
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_5870/
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...press_Scaling/
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...r5-review.html
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20289
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20354
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/...eo_card_review
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...0-1gb-review/1
09-22-2009, 08:00 PM
AbelJemka

Quote:

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

It seems crazy if you selectively choose games to look at. But there are titles where a lowly GTX 285 comes close or beats the 5870. So its performance varies wildly between GTX 285 and 4870X2 levels. That leads me to believe that something is very heavily bottlenecked - after all it has about the same fillrate and bandwidth as a 285.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trinibwoy

Guru3D: http://guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-review-test/

Quote:

Performance -- Well it's grand really. Some titles like Fallout 3 I expected to see a little better scaling but the generic consensus is that the Radeon HD 5870 is MUCH faster than the current leading flagship, the GeForce GTX 285. In fact on occasion it's even faster here and there than a GeForce GTX 295. See this is not a measly small upgrade, no Sir. ATI doubled up everything on the Radeon HD 5870 making sure you will get a grand gaming experience. And oh my gawd, I just realized what a beast the 5870 X2 will be.

:up:
09-22-2009, 08:14 PM
onethreehill

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...5870,2422.html
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...adeon_hd_5870/
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/293...ard/index.html
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...-card/Reviews/
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...mance_preview/
http://hothardware.com/Articles/AMD-...ly-Number-One/
09-22-2009, 08:16 PM
trinibwoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCPer

There is no sense in trying to deny that the new ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB graphics card is incredibly fast and takes the lead as the fastest single-GPU card on the market. When we compare it to the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285, AMD's new Evergreen GPU bests it in every test with the exception of the new Batman title where the two cards are basically neck and neck. The largest performance gap we saw was in Far Cry 2 where the AMD driver team obviously spent a bit more time to get things where the hardware designers feel they should be. In fact, I am willing to give AMD another couple of weeks to produce better results in both Batman and Resident Evil 5 as both games were part of the NVIDIA "The Way It's Meant to be Played" network which usually results in a earlier access to builds and driver tweaks.

MSRP:

Radeon HD 5870 1GB - $379
Radeon HD 5850 1GB - $259
09-22-2009, 08:18 PM
eric66

this card needs some serious driver support imho in some games its very fast in some it even falls behind 4870 x2 don't know kinda mixed thing lol
09-22-2009, 08:19 PM
wickedld9

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1080/1/
09-22-2009, 08:19 PM
drizzt5

I can't wait to see some benchies with these cards, but I'm sorry...I am spoiled now and don't like spending above $150 for a GPU :(
09-22-2009, 08:27 PM
YukonTrooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by drizzt5

I can't wait to see some benchies with these cards, but I'm sorry...I am spoiled now and don't like spending above $150 for a GPU :(

You don't spoil yourself enough if you don't like spending above $150 for a GPU. :p:
09-22-2009, 08:49 PM
Glow9

Did any reviews OC the card?
09-22-2009, 08:49 PM
JohnJohn

Really liked Guru3D Conclusion

Quote:

Performance -- Well it's grand really. Some titles like Fallout 3 I expected to see a little better scaling but the generic consensus is that the Radeon HD 5870 is MUCH faster than the current leading flagship, the GeForce GTX 285. In fact on occasion it's even faster here and there than a GeForce GTX 295. See this is not a measly small upgrade, no Sir. ATI doubled up everything on the Radeon HD 5870 making sure you will get a grand gaming experience. And oh my gawd, I just realized what a beast the 5870 X2 will be.

Anyway, the results speak for themselves, and the good news is... we used an early beta driver for testing. Why is that good news you ask? Well, overall performance will only get better with future driver updates. If history has taught us one lesson, that is it.

So we established that the Radeon HD 5870 performance is grand. What about its feature set then? Well, let's face it... that's brilliant as well. ATI is the first to launch a high performance product that is DirectX 11 ready. And while I so wish we already had some DX11 titles to test... it's good to know that if you buy this product, you'll be future proof, as when DX11 games kick in, you will be good and ready to go. Don't forget that DirectCompute will be integrated into Windows 7. Example: if you drop a video file in your iPOD it will be transcoded automatically over the GPU. Yes the GPU will merge much more into the operating system in the years to come. Something new and refreshing is happening here for sure.

Talking about transcoding, it surely didn't suck to see how fast the transcoding process was handled by the Radeon HD 5870, leading performance and nothing less.

Of course we have to mention Eyefinity - the capability to utilize more than two monitors is a very clever idea. And sure, 99% of you will never use that feature. But the 1% that does so, is the avid Guru3D visitor. You guys know we've reviewed the Matrox TripleHead2Go series where you need to drop 250 USD to get a fairly limited three screen display. The implementation of Eyefinity certainly is a blow to the face of Matrox and you guys get to have this feature nearly for free. I don't know about you guys, but I like features; a lot. As Buzz Lightyear from Toy Story would say, "To Eyefinity and beyond... ".

Image quality - We haven't touched on this deeply in the actual review but we did do some comparisons behind the scenes here. Image quality in anti-aliasing is just top notch, yet more importantly, ATI has improved anisotropic filtering with the Radeon HD 5000 series. It's no longer angle dependant and is nearly perfect. So while ATI's image quality already was really excellent... they've upped it a small notch again as well.

Price/performance wise the product might be slightly higher priced at the 399 USD bracket, opposed to the 299 USD you needed to chuck on the table at the Radeon HD 4870 launch. But let's be honest here, 399 USD is a decent price for a very fair and honest product. Just look at what you are receiving, there are just so many features and so much value to be found in it. A DX11 class product with massive performance and multi-display desktop/gaming support. We feel that a high-end product of this class may cost 399 USD as it's really worth that kind of money.

Bottom line: we really like the Radeon HD 5870 for what it brings to the market. And that is leading Single-GPU performance, a massive feature set and a fair price. We ask you - what's not to like here?
09-22-2009, 08:53 PM
Vinas

Ohh the cards sold out on newegg so fast... Somehow I still got a HIS 5870 on the way for my new build though :-) gota love newegg!

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