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08-01-2009, 09:08 PM
terrace215

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Originally Posted by Vozer

That's their Tick-Tock model.

And 32nm in Q1 '10 and Sandy Bridge in Q1 '11 is a little late compared with their initial promise, mind you. :p:

32nm will ship in Q409, actually. And if one wanted to use AMD terminology, one would say they "started their 32nm production ramp in H109", in the same way AMD will have anything 32nm in H210... :rofl:

And there has been this little global recession...
08-01-2009, 10:18 PM
Vienna

Want.
08-01-2009, 11:40 PM
HKPolice

I think sooner or later, intel will release 32nm westmeres with only 4 cores from the salvaged 6 core chips. They could rebrand it as an i7 960 or something. What surprises me is why intel hasn't done this yet with the current failed i7 CPUs, but I guess dual/trip core on LGA1366 would tarnish the socket's 'high end' image.
08-01-2009, 11:59 PM
JPQY

X58s failed to boot ...

JC..so on whitch MB/socket you let the Gulftown boot and run your tests!
08-02-2009, 03:31 AM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by HKPolice

I think sooner or later, intel will release 32nm westmeres with only 4 cores from the salvaged 6 core chips. They could rebrand it as an i7 960 or something. What surprises me is why intel hasn't done this yet with the current failed i7 CPUs, but I guess dual/trip core on LGA1366 would tarnish the socket's 'high end' image.

they do... but not for consumers, what do you think the Xeon E5502 is? :p:
08-02-2009, 04:27 AM
sholvaco

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Originally Posted by JPQY

X58s failed to boot ...

JC..so on whitch MB/socket you let the Gulftown boot and run your tests!

His are the dual socket, dual QPI Gulftowns ("Westmere EP", probably gonna end up the Xeon 56xx series) so he would be using a dual socket LGA1366 mobo designed around the Tylersburg (Intel 5500/5520) chipset.
08-02-2009, 11:01 AM
Monstru

Great info (wallpaper is not bad too :D )
08-02-2009, 05:11 PM
Mk

:slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber:
that's gulftown right?
08-03-2009, 03:56 AM
JCornell

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Originally Posted by sholvaco

His are the dual socket, dual QPI Gulftowns ("Westmere EP", probably gonna end up the Xeon 56xx series) so he would be using a dual socket LGA1366 mobo designed around the Tylersburg (Intel 5500/5520) chipset.

Just a BIOS code updated will do ...
As I know, even X58D need to update to make it bootable ...

Nothin' to worry, the times will come ... :rofl:
08-03-2009, 03:57 AM
JCornell

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Originally Posted by -thc-(cZ)

He DID say it was :banana::banana::banana::banana::

And it is!! I want one :(

Just softcore ... :ROTF:
08-03-2009, 04:02 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by Vienna

Want.

Hey, get into qeue! :D :rofl:
08-03-2009, 04:04 AM
JCornell

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Originally Posted by Mk

:slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber::slobber:
that's gulftown right?

I'm not saying it's Gulftown(Desktop?) ...
08-04-2009, 02:12 PM
sholvaco

A German site is claiming Gulftown isn't a native hexacore but 3 dualcore Westmere dies stuffed into a single package (with uncore on a separate die I presume).:shrug:

http://winfuture.de/news,48822.html

Can anyone confirm it or is this a complete fabrication on their part?
08-04-2009, 02:40 PM
Hornet331

^
fabricated, since clarkdale has a PCIE controller on die and no external QPI link, but a DMI link. Gulftown needs at least one QPI link to communicate with the X58 northbridge or 2 for the DP version.

Though that doesn't mean that it couldn't be 3 dies, but it makes no sense. Since nehalem is modular and westmere ist just a shirnk they can add and remove cores as they like and make it all happen on one die.

Next rumor will be, that Beckton is only 2 Gainstown dies. :p:
08-04-2009, 02:50 PM
Orthogonal

Quote:

Originally Posted by sholvaco

A German site is claiming Gulftown isn't a native hexacore but 3 dualcore Westmere dies stuffed into a single package (with uncore on a separate die I presume).:shrug:

http://winfuture.de/news,48822.html

Can anyone confirm it or is this a complete fabrication on their part?

Gulftown is native hexa-core. I've seen it :cool:
08-04-2009, 02:51 PM
Chri$ch

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Next rumor will be, that Beckton is only 2 Gainstown dies. :p:

isn´t it :confused:

:ROTF:
08-04-2009, 03:17 PM
sholvaco

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

^
fabricated, since clarkdale has a PCIE controller on die and no external QPI link, but a DMI link. Gulftown needs at least one QPI link to communicate with the X58 northbridge or 2 for the DP version.

Though that doesn't mean that it couldn't be 3 dies, but it makes no sense. Since nehalem is modular and westmere ist just a shirnk they can add and remove cores as they like and make it all happen on one die.

Next rumor will be, that Beckton is only 2 Gainstown dies. :p:

Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression Clarkdale's PCIe controller is a part of a separate uncore die together with the IGP and the IMC which are then linked to the core via QPI.

I'd like to believe Intel are sticking with their original plan of bringing a native hex to the desktop... but you know, with the sheer amount of transistors the Gulftown contains and the relative freshness (immaturity) of the production process, the projected yields could have been too low to make it worth their while. Or the gain in thermals from switching to 32nm was too low to make it work as a single die (Beckton? silly me:p:). There could have been a number of unforeseen circumstances (that we aren't privy to) that made them scramble and opt for a patch job.

Then again, they did publish die shots a while ago... Time for JC to pop the lid?:devil:
08-04-2009, 04:21 PM
sxr71

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Originally Posted by Particle

Hopefully the supporting boards for these CPUs have better OC options than my Supermicro.

Hopefully my financial situation will have more options. :D

$999-1499 wow.
08-04-2009, 07:28 PM
informal

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

^
fabricated, since clarkdale has a PCIE controller on die and no external QPI link, but a DMI link. Gulftown needs at least one QPI link to communicate with the X58 northbridge or 2 for the DP version.

Though that doesn't mean that it couldn't be 3 dies, but it makes no sense. Since nehalem is modular and westmere ist just a shirnk they can add and remove cores as they like and make it all happen on one die.

Next rumor will be, that Beckton is only 2 Gainstown dies. :p:

Just found this:
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...el_32nm/2.html

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The Gulftown variant of Westmere will package six cores (twelve threads) into one MCM (multi-chip module) - but other Westmere derived parts will instead package a dual core Westmere die with a GPU in the same package, thus bringing the GPU to the CPU. In fact, the two CPU core / four thread Westmere die will be used in various combinations, with and without GPU cores, to produce processors with 2/4/6 cores and 4/8/12 threads.

It looks like the 2C/4T die will be used to form the whole lineup by simple MCM process. Yeah,it still is not convincing evidence that Gulftown is not "monolithic"and "native" part,but still adds to the veracity of the German link.
08-04-2009, 07:57 PM
saaya

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

they do... but not for consumers, what do you think the Xeon E5502 is? :p:

hehhee, somebody else paid attention :D
yeah i noticed that too :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by sholvaco

A German site is claiming Gulftown isn't a native hexacore but 3 dualcore Westmere dies stuffed into a single package (with uncore on a separate die I presume).:shrug:

http://winfuture.de/news,48822.html

Can anyone confirm it or is this a complete fabrication on their part?

just think about it for a second...
so what, 3 dualcore cpus and a gmch on the same cpu package?
and how are they all connected to the gmch? via qpi?
that would mean the gmch needs 3 qpi links or they daisy chained the cpus, which is rather unlikely...

could intel do this? im sure, there might even be prototypes...
will they do this? unlikely... especially considering they showed some die shots of a monolithic die...

i think they and some others got confused...
the 6 and 8core parts are 1366 only and they are monolithic, most likely
they might be mcm, but surely not with gmch

there are 2 and 4 core parts for 1156 in 32nm, which will use a 45nm gmch, so yes, they will be mcm... whether the 4core igp parts will be 2 cpu dies and one gmch idk, but since gmch, as far as i know, only has 1 qpi link, thats unlikely...

so they probably misunderstood mcm and thought intel is just adding more and more cores on seperate dies. actually, as far as i know, its just the gmch and one cpu die, which is either 2 cores or 4 cores.
08-04-2009, 09:13 PM
qurious63ss

http://forums.techgage.com/showthread.php?t=4555

"After discussing the design with Intel though, we found out that like Dunnington, Gulftown will feature a similar design as Core i7, but will just be using Westmere cores at the base, rather than Nehalem cores. Simple explanation, really."
08-04-2009, 09:55 PM
Smartidiot89

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Originally Posted by qurious63ss

http://forums.techgage.com/showthread.php?t=4555

"After discussing the design with Intel though, we found out that like Dunnington, Gulftown will feature a similar design as Core i7, but will just be using Westmere cores at the base, rather than Nehalem cores. Simple explanation, really."

Isn't Westmere just a code name based on the "Nehalem" architecture or am I missing something here?

Just like AMD "K10.5" is used in both Shanghai and Istanbul for example?
08-04-2009, 10:06 PM
qurious63ss

Westmere is the 32nm shrink of Nehalem. So in essence same arch just 45nm is Nehalem and 32nm is Westmere, and I can confirm as well that Westmere is native.
08-05-2009, 01:11 AM
JohnZS

I think the wallpaper would be nice too ;)
John
08-05-2009, 01:38 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

Isn't Westmere just a code name based on the "Nehalem" architecture or am I missing something here?

Just like AMD "K10.5" is used in both Shanghai and Istanbul for example?

Yes, Westemere is the codename of the new µarch as was/is nehalem for the current one.

Gulftown, Lynnfield, Clarkdale are codenames for the upcoming cpus in various core configuration base on either nehalem µarch (lynnfield) or westmere µarch (gulftown, clarkdale)

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