There are people who have theories that the moon is made of green cheese, how much of my time do you think I am going to waste on anyone espousing that?Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
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There are people who have theories that the moon is made of green cheese, how much of my time do you think I am going to waste on anyone espousing that?Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Look guys, at the end of the day Intel doesn't care about you. It's a business. They exist to make money and to do this they need to best themselves and their competitors. It's obvious to me that what LOE says is correct.
Then there should be any economic text which covers this and yet there is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomijiTMO
Alfred Slone who was the CEO of General Motors in 1941 put the theory of "Planned Obsolesce" into there production and have used it ever since. The rest of the industry followed shortly after. This is just one well known example. look it up ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
I think he used the term "built in obsolesce" tho.
I don't think it's so much planned obsolescence as the perception of such by society.
My car is a 1994 Intrepid. All the buddies are" Dave, get a new car"
Why? It serves me well, does what I need and is dependable..Ok, so I lost a brake line Monday and had to drive like a formula 1 driver for 60 yards to save my life!:rofl:
My point is that we don't need to toss things away when they are still serviceable but we choose to from either public pressure or from just having it programmed into us.
A well tuned P3-1000 w/512mb ram will do most anything you need for day to day use on a PC
A AMD X2-3800 is still an excellent machine.
We replace by choice, not by need..Excepting the gamers of course and in that case nothing that exists is fast enough for them!:rofl:
Very well said
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I still have computer gear that is over 10 years old and still working fine, but I have moved on.
Now who nows how long this gear will last for, but clearly it wasn't built for planned obsolescence and if when it first came out was built to last two or three times longer than it will, it would then be at a cost disadvantage to other products built to a standard still greater than my needs.
That is why it is so laughable that anyone could assert that modern economics is all driven by planned obsolescence and even more laughable that people come in to back up this nonsense.
Funny you mention the Dodge Intrepid. I Work for Chrysler and most of the 90's My job revolved around those LH body cars. I say keep the car, some very fine engineering if I may say so myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
As for the planned obsolescence, most of this like you say is do to Trend and "in style" by social Acceptance but it is planned none the less.
I'm looking forward to Gulftown.
My Gainestown board is supposed to take them with no issues..12 cores/24 threads....MMMMMMMMMM:D
I'm thinking it'll scale in a linear fashion : instant 50% performance jump in "some very important" apps :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Perkam
What I want to know is if there will ever be another sub $800 LGA1366 CPU. It doesn't look like it...
Why do you say that? LGA1366 may be the performance socket but surely Intel must recognize that LGA1366 wouldn't be as popular if they had launched with a $500 chip. Right now there isn't an $800 bracket, there is the $250 to $350 range which is acceptable for budget stuff, and then the next bin around $400-$500. Anything past that is a halo product and of such small volume versus the bread and butter that it doesn't count. Gulftown may be a massive upgrade compared to Bloomfield but if they market a 1P chip surely they'll have a chip in the $250 to $350 bracket at launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by algorhythm
with what? extra cores?Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
which i need for.... what?
fyi im running my 920 with ht enabled and 3 cores disabled since it saves loads of power and gets me a higher overclock... performance is about the same as with 2 cores and ht and i see absolutely no gain whatsoever with 4 cores and ht... in any app i use... ever... :shrug:
DC projects?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Namely WCG. :D
Also with Chess programs -> You never have enough speed and cores..till chess is solved...i hope the Gulftown will come out for the 1366 socket,
because i have not see yet this will be sure!
256 threads era is near......
Do some Dc work or some encoding or PS rendering and you will see the difference..Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
QFT!Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
What we need for a desktop and notebook is a raw performance!
I would upgrade my 920 to a Gulfy because of the better OC-ing ability, higher IPC and lower temperatures. I might disable HT because it will slightly boost threads IPC.
This will be the CPU I build my next upgrade around.. :D
I still have a problem with the terme cause it lables all technological advancements as "planned obsolescence".Quote:
Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck
If we stick to car analogies, a fine example is ABS... ABS tech was already there since the 1930ies but took almost 40 year to bring them to the point where they were usfull and usable in cars... so does that mean that all cars sold after 1930 where already planed to be obsolent by the companies, cause the tech was already there?
Same could be said for saftyblets, crumple zones, ESC and much more.
For myself i call this innovation, theres a new product with new technology that weren't available when the old product was build and leads to obsolesce of the old product.
Thanks for mentioning this.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I just don't see the need for a 6 core w/ HT cpu on a desktop. Besides folding, etc, what else can benefit from that many cores? Very few games support a quad now, so whats the point? Even extreme gamers can't benefit from this improvement, at least for another 2-4 years, depending how how development goes.
I think I'll go i7 since I simply can't utilize extra cores, unless i9 is the same price or the clock for clock speed is dramatically increased. My q6600 does everything I need and more, and although I want to be extreme, I don't want to waste power either.
your basically telling me i should move to another city so that i need to drive on the highway every day to work and can then justify a beefier car cause it gets me through traffic faster :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
why should i change my way of working/living to fit the needs of my hardware?
thats not how it works... technology is supposed to aid us, not force us to do things diferently... :P
but you never stop, do you? hehehe
your title should be WCG Evangelist ;) :lol: :up:
Not at all. It all depends on your personal use. Not all chips will be 6 core and if you don't need them then don't buy them.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Hell, a E8600 running up at 4000 and very controlable on air will suit your uses.
And yes, I never stop.. The goals are worth the effort.:D
Blasphemy !!! :eek: Close Thy mouth and Repent foul mouthed knave !! How dare thy question the words of a cruncher !! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Crunchers need all the cores they can get as do those who require workstations and xtreme forms of multi-tasking. :p:
Though yes, those that require six cores are very few in number compared to those that don't. But then again, Intel could have beaten phenom without HT, so one can argue even that is overkill, but we still have it :)
Perkam
i never said crunchers wont want or need 6cores... i just said most people dont...
and dave said i should get 6 cores to which i replied, no i shouldnt :D
but yes, for crunching and video editing and rendering 6 cores will be sweet, and with ht this should be very very impressive...
you needed a 4 socket board for that performance only a few years ago :D
isnt it sad that cpu performance doesnt scale for normal users as it does for crunchers?
since conroe there have been barely any notably performance improvents in the cpu segment for normal end users...
think about it, whats the performance diference in a normal gaming 24/7 system of a conroe 4ghz compared to gulftown?
maybe 10% in some apps?
for crunchers, the performance improvement will be almost 600% :eek:
but for desktop usage its maybe 30% at best in some few scenarios...
i really really think both intel and amd are on the wrong way cpu development wise...
theres no way you could re-code the os and all the apps we use every day to get anywhere near the 600% improvement for a gaming 24/7 desktop scenario with gulftown vs a conroe at the same speed... some things just cant be parallelized...
we need faster cores and better ipc, not more cores...
that will benefit everybody, crunchers, servers, desktop users...