Huge EVGA Fail!!!! GTX 295 Hydro "copper" mixes ALU and CU in the same BLOCK!

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Originally Posted by NaeKuh

gives them even more a reason to hate us now eh chruschef....

us fat americans get all the best stuff and give eu the second par stuff? :rofl:

^nickle this is what your implying more.

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across the water they're more accepting of mixing metals, unlike us the picky stubborn fat americans.

nickle on this block? maybe. but that doesn't explain the innovatek design. im suggesting this is just an EU card, and they'll have a CU block for the US'of'A & canada. can't forget about canada

edit maybe we should post this on their forums, and give'em hell again just to make sure. what also sucks about this card though, is that if your buying an entirely new card nvidia is about to release a single PCB version(http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/...d.php?t=222256), making your shiny new EVGA FC HydroCopper GTX295 obsolete.

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Originally Posted by Chruschef

are you saying in europe they sell these cards w/ innovatek blocks because its cheap, and in america they sell them with their CU blocks? i haven't even seen an aluminum block on an EVGA card in the states. maybe the review is of european sample. :rolleyes: i really hope they didn't botch this up, otherwise thats a lot of respect lost from watercoolers, tis a shame as well because their FC GPU blocks were really top notch.

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What I'm saying is that EVGA sold video cards with Innovatek blocks here before they developed their own "hydro copper" blocks. This was 8800 GTX/Ultra time, maybe even earlier (8800s were the first ones I noticed).

@Naekuh

Did you even bother to read my post?

If anyone wants proof that alu and copper mix fine with proper additives they just need to take a look at Aqua Computer's forum...

Again, I', not advocating the use of alu, I'm just saying that using alu and copper in one loop without getting corrosion is easily possible.

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Originally Posted by Nickel020

Again, I', not advocating the use of alu, I'm just saying that using alu and copper in one loop without getting corrosion is easily possible.

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and using a loop without aluminum is easier i dont think you get the point. its pretty clear that you can mix metals, we know that. but why would you in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Nickel020

@Naekuh

Did you even bother to read my post?

If anyone wants proof that alu and copper mix fine with proper additives they just need to take a look at Aqua Computer's forum...

Again, I', not advocating the use of alu, I'm just saying that using alu and copper in one loop without getting corrosion is easily possible.

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do you know how much of an oxymoron this sounds?

it sounds like your on our senate budget / emergency relief fund board explaining to the public why AIG bailout was good.

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If anyone wants proof that alu and copper mix fine with proper additives they just need to take a look at Aqua Computer's forum...

Again, I', not advocating the use of alu, I'm just saying that using alu and copper in one loop without getting corrosion is easily possible.

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Aqua Computer used to a sell an optional copper insert for their 8800 GTX full cover block. The text accompanying the product basically stated that it comes as is. Use it at your own risk. We won't be held responsible for corrosion problems. Somewhere on their forum there was a customer with a messed up block as well...maybe it's still up there...

As for personal experience, I once had an aluminum anodized reservoir by them. Used it according to their instructions with ACfluid. After several weeks corrosion had already started in the fitting threads.
After that I cleaned my system out and I ran the same setup; full copper with an acrylic reservoir instead for 1.5 years without any trouble whatsoever.

Most mixed metal blocks are usually plated or anodized which also helps lower (but not completely eliminate) the risk of corrosion. Once there is a nick in either, it's all over except for the deterioration. This turd was neither plated or anodized from the looks of it.

I really have to laugh at the comparisons to the automotive industries use of mixed metals. Most auto's use a 50/50 mix of water and anti-freeze (corrosion inhibitor) which is far higher than anyone should use in a computer due to the thermal transfer rate taking a very serious hit. This is the reason for such longevity without corrosion. Maybe that's the reason Innovatek Protect is so good at holding corrosion at bay...and why the temps are crap.

Evga has sold cards with alu blocks for years, ever since they teamed up with innovatek back then in the 7800 days.

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

Well, they suck at LC now just as much as they did back then.:D

andyc

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Andy,

The new 285 blocks look pretty darn gorgeous.. every bit as beautiful as the 280 blocks. Its solid copper. I can't wait to receive them.

I think its funny how everyone is jumping on the bandwagon of hate when evga doesnt even have a "hydrocopper 295" listed. Why not wait until they actually have them FOR SALE and some proof other than FUD to back up claims of alu. Why would they suddenly go from all copper GORGEOUS blocks to that aluminum monstrosity. Also, the EU gets lots of nice things us fat americans cant get, like german cars with real suspensions and good engines, while we get the crappy detuned, raised version of the cars.

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Originally Posted by veedubfreak

I think its funny how everyone is jumping on the bandwagon of hate when evga doesnt even have a "hydrocopper 295" listed. Why not wait until they actually have them FOR SALE and some proof other than FUD to back up claims of alu. Why would they suddenly go from all copper GORGEOUS blocks to that aluminum monstrosity. Also, the EU gets lots of nice things us fat americans cant get, like german cars with real suspensions and good engines, while we get the crappy detuned, raised version of the cars.

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well most people are just arguing about mix metals lol..
and EVGA used to use innovatek so its not that hard to believe.
this could be stunt! Or, they are trying to save money... i dont know

Very Very SAD!

F- for this

what a weird inefficient milling path :confused:

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Originally Posted by BertM

what a weird inefficient milling path :confused:

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Not really when you consider the middle section that divides the two halves shown is missing. I thought the same thing yesterday when I was looking at it, and that's when I noticed the middle was missing from the pics.

So has anyone actually taken a retail version apart to see if its mixed metals yet?

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Originally Posted by veedubfreak

So has anyone actually taken a retail version apart to see if its mixed metals yet?

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I don't think a retail version has been released yet. I'm really starting to wonder whether the original pictures are even real.

Wow, dunno what to make of this one. That surely must have been a new GPU block, yet it looks as dirty and grungy as the inside of my Apogee GT did after a full year of use (with not so good water quality).

Since even EVGA does not list this card on their website I assume they realized the mistake and aren't going to release it after all. They seem to have several other new GTX 295 cards like the "Red" model listed instead... The GTX 285 Hydrocopper is listed though.

Regardless of the debate which I will stay out of, I am sure most watercoolers buying this card would not know or realize they will need to add an anti-corrosion additive to their loops, I at least wouldn't of had a clue. Having that stuff corroding within the loop would only start clogging pins within waterblocks and eventually begin affecting the pump.

I can just imagine some noob buying this having a ton of problems later on from mixed metals and going ok looks like this WC stuff is just a bunch of crap and never trying it again.

I got a good lol of the reviewers attitude toward the block as being in my eyes: Ok here we see a waterblock, it looks like a normal block of good quality and look there is a cool copper part to make it preform better. Moving on we see how awesome this thing really is...

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Originally Posted by zeroibis

I can just imagine some noob buying this having a ton of problems later on from mixed metals and going ok looks like this WC stuff is just a bunch of crap and never trying it again.

I got a good lol of the reviewers attitude toward the block as being in my eyes: Ok here we see a waterblock, it looks like a normal block of good quality and look there is a cool copper part to make it preform better. Moving on we see how awesome this thing really is...

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Agree, the main risk of water cooling is all those traps to fall in to on the way, and get a crap experience of it all. Lets just hope this is some kind of pre production test gone horribly wrong :eek:

The GTX 295 Hydro Copper from eVGA

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...95-B1_LG_5.jpg

http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?new...VzaWFzdCwsLDE=

PWN!

LOL

But BFG doesnt make there own waterblocks. DD makes it for them :P

I think this new block looks pretty good. "Undisputed" or not, I'd take this over the similar Danger Den/BFG card.

I do think BFG is the Undisputed champ at overpriced water cooled video cards.

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Originally Posted by BlueAqua

I think this new block looks pretty good. "Undisputed" or not, I'd take this over the similar Danger Den/BFG card.

I do think BFG is the Undisputed champ at overpriced water cooled video cards.

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based on?